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Easter Egg Out Of The BIS: US Banks Are On The Hook To The PIIGS By Over $350 Billion

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Mon, 12/13/2010 - 15:21 | 802218 CheapKUNGFU
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Jebus, cant we get through xmas before we start talking EASTER!

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 15:23 | 802226 SheepDog-One
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Nah, next few years already rolled over and priced in....DOW 39K priced into the computers, now we're talking about what might happen in 2015 since everything until then is already baked in the cake.

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 15:32 | 802259 Temporalist
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The Resurrection is here to stay...


Mon, 12/13/2010 - 15:36 | 802270 ShankyS
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Nope - mandates pull everything forward. Even holidays.

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 15:53 | 802333 pamriallc
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this remains yet another incredible reason to own equity and not debt.  the bonds, as they are sold, then generate cash and equity is the only answer to a guaranty of loss if we're to believe in inflation.

yes in a "hyperinflation" many things initially collapse, but interestingly enough, the stock market will be "safe" by comparison to real-estate in its current leveraged state of affairs.  there's a ton of bonds out there to sell, and equity to be incrementally purchased before we have to correct "materially" to the downside. 

shawn a. mesaros, pamria, llc

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 16:05 | 802380 AccreditedEYE
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I'm not so sure moving down the capital structure in times of severe stress is ever really advisable.  

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 17:50 | 802753 trav7777
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um...debt is senior to equity.  Debt gets converted to equity and equity gets converted to bagels

Tue, 12/14/2010 - 04:25 | 803999 chopper read
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he's such a pompous horse's twat, isn't he?  he comes here to learn, then he does, then pretends like he doesn't, then lectures anyone who pays attention to his relentless self-promoting. 

any chance that equities experience serious inflation-adjusted headwinds?  any chance we are in a 'risk-off' environment where profits are secondary to wealth preservation?

Shawn, i gave you some advice some time back to place your clients is food and gold.  its nice to see you are coming around to some degree.  you've still got a ways to go. 

p.s.  you must be married to some superficial bitch, because no woman would buy into your bullshit unless you were paying her.  Of this i am certain.  

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 19:24 | 802955 kaiserhoff
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In hyperinflation, debt gets laughed at, and paid off at a couple of pennies on the dollar.  Think durable goods.  Think - how can I borrow to buy PMs?

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 22:00 | 803413 unununium
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Gotta run home and look for another 0%, 15mo credit card offer!

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 15:24 | 802225 traderjoe
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I'm not sure how anyone can look at this sort of information and believe we are in a "sustainable economic recovery". Banks lending to governments at interest rates higher then the GDP growth, with expanding entitlement issues, etc., etc.

It will just take one default, somewhere, sometime. One rat to jump the ship. It's a global Prisoner's Dilemma. 

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 15:27 | 802237 SheepDog-One
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Everyone got their rose colored Lasik, and chuggin the Kool Aid. The futures so bright, apparently, we gotta wear shades.

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 15:40 | 802281 Spalding_Smailes
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FedEx Corp. said it expects to ship 16 million packages Monday in what will likely be the busiest day in company history. The Memphis, Tenn., company said shipments would be nearly 13 percent higher than its busiest day last year, and double the volume that FedEx handles on an average day."...

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 16:07 | 802395 chopper read
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...i wonder what those FedEx package numbers look like when we take out shipments from online coin dealers. 

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 16:09 | 802403 HarryWanger
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Excellent post, Spalding! These are the bits of information that are undeniable proof that the economy is stronger and gaining momentum. Thanks for bringing reality to ZH forum.

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 16:26 | 802478 traderjoe
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Speaking of reality - now that you've been outed as a *professional* troll - when does your experiment on us perma-bears end?

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 17:45 | 802740 simonsito
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troll? yes.... professional? he might not be worth the money hiring him.

at least what I see is that he is either pointing to some kind of very personal, lets say, experience... - or at some piece of data that looks just ridiculous when set in context.....

I think he is funny, and i would really appreciate a link to where he has been used as a contra indicator.

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 19:18 | 802940 dnarby
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Mon, 12/13/2010 - 22:36 | 803489 Spitzer
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when do you think the US will start gaining jobs monthy ?

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 16:22 | 802462 Iam Rich
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Is this the impact of on-line shopping?  Still need to look at overall sales via state tax revenues...well what do you know our very own Bruce K has the answer:




Mon, 12/13/2010 - 18:09 | 802802 Kali
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Also, online retailers are subsidizing the shipping costs by offering free shipping with orders.  How much of that crap would be shipped if the consumer had to pay the shipping costs?

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 19:37 | 802987 prophet
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pms and cardboard!  TIN et. al.

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 16:00 | 802364 pamriallc
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remember that there's a great story of as guy during the Weimar Republic who had no investment expertise but knew he couldn't trust his banker.  the guy--- not being into music--- but appreciating fine furniture, acquired "6 Grand Pianos" and kept them during the hyperinflation, figuring that high quality musical instruments like these would retain value.  of course he was proven correct.  this isn't about weather or not the Fed or the Treasury are doing the right thing.  the job, if there's one that I have--- is to simply find things that retain purchasing power.  when you can look at the world that way, understanding--- and rejectingt the "antiquated notion" that paper-money is somehow supposed to be a "forever store of value" you have some unusually cool opportunities that open themselves up to you.  either that or hire a pro.

shawn a. mesaros, pamria, llc

Tue, 12/14/2010 - 04:29 | 802401 chopper read
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yes, there are some unique opportunities right now, but not in the stock market.  your piano example was a good one.  so, how are you leeching a commission from your dumbfuck clients by recommending vintage pianos, Shawn?  

Its amazing how a bit of arrogance and declining interest rates can allow for an asshole like you to build a business.  How much have you learned from the ZH forums and message boards, and how much do you condescend to compensate for your feelings of uselessness?

if only there were not so many fools in the world, you would have to get a real job instead of living as a professional parasite atop of widows and orphans.  ...disgusting.

"a pro", he calls himself.  what a fucking turkey. 

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 16:31 | 802502 traderjoe
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Hire a pro? Ahhh, a "money-changer". Someone that belongs to/believes in the world of inflation - which strips the middle classes of their purchasing power and robs them of their stored/saved excess labor, and then hopes to benefit from charging them fees, commissions, and interest for the use of THEIR money. 

Create a system of inflation ==> charge parasitic fees and create the hope that people can out-earn inflation ==> rig the game so the little guy never makes any money through bid, ask, taxes, etc. 

Great system for you. No thanks. I have removed my consent. My PM's will store my value without any of your siphoning thank you very much. 

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 15:29 | 802246 francismarion
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US Fed 1.0 T. USD > BIS > ECB.


Mon, 12/13/2010 - 15:32 | 802258 jus_lite_reading
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Mon, 12/13/2010 - 15:36 | 802268 SheepDog-One
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When someone does something about it! Until then its just day after day of monetizing madness.

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 15:34 | 802265 RobotTrader
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No problem.  Steel stocks are running hard today.

Lots of IBD mo-mo chart monkeys will be jumping all over these today...

"AK Steel broke out of a six month long flat base on 3x normal volume", yada, yada, yada

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 15:48 | 802286 Spalding_Smailes
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I told you I would sell my US Steel to Kyle Bass at $70-$100 .... Lol'


* Cramer giving out bear stew recipes now......CNBC Lol''

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 16:01 | 802372 pamriallc
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china has no desire to slow down--- and they have the reserves to back themselves up.  steel got way too cheap.  "GSI" is a fave for the people who want to own China Steel more directly.  usual "no's" apply.

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 15:35 | 802267 aint no fortuna...
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anybody got any more BUY tickets? I ran out again...

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 16:10 | 802405 chopper read
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Mon, 12/13/2010 - 15:42 | 802292 bbtrader
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Off topic, but at the moment the Total Put-Call Ratio @ 0.63 - the most bullish since mid-April.  Also, who's making up the increasing number of NYSE new lows (over 80 today)???

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 16:29 | 802490 erik
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bb, it's likely to get even more stretched over the next 2 days as the Euro may climb to 1.36.  however, the stock market reaction today to the massive Euro move was quite muted so the current leg of this rally is starting to run on fumes.

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 17:07 | 802621 bbtrader
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Well today's leg pretty much ran out of gas the last 30 minutes.  /DX was looking shaky most of the day but managed to rally a bit into the close.  BTW U-Dub in your blood?

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 19:25 | 802956 erik
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if you mean purple, yes.

i don't think we see a clean one-off top here.  i think it'll take a couple days, but it looks like 1250 will contain the S&P.  the USD is so close to the 50 day it might as well go test it.  the first half of this year it tested it 3 times and held.  between that and the 50% re-trace of EUR-USD ~1.36, i like the set up for a trade.  also, Ireland vote on Wednesday could provide the last lift for the EUR-USD to get it to 1.36. 


Mon, 12/13/2010 - 15:44 | 802301 AnAnonymous
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Explicitly confirming the smokes and mirrors show put out by GB about the Euro.

Look at Ireland, if they go under, the City is going to be blown harder than by an invasion of Reapers.

The theater of illusion: GB barkings are all about hiding that if the piigs go down, GB will take a massive hit and that in fact, GB will be bailed out by the Euro surviving this crisis. 

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 15:45 | 802302 cheesewizz
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Mon, 12/13/2010 - 15:51 | 802325 Sudden Debt
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we already broke the human moral, dignity and spirit.

I didn't know there was anything left...

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 15:48 | 802311 Sudden Debt
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Mon, 12/13/2010 - 15:48 | 802312 dhussey
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Well, the bull market of the last 60 years had the Nuke as its M.A.D. device... I guess CDS's are the next bull markets adaptation of this method of leverage? 

Makes alot of sense when you consider, in the end, we are all screwed anyway... might as well guarentee the survival of 1 by leveraging it against the survival of all... touche Bernake... touche...

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 15:52 | 802329 MsCreant
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Folks, why add this stat now when it would have been relevant to know it lots earlier? They don't do this for nothing. What game is afoot? What are they going to justify with this? Or who's ass is being covered.

Just asking.

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 15:58 | 802356 Hansel
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I was also wondering why now.  There is probably a plan, the majority of people are probably on the losing end of it, and no one is going to tell us anything.  SSDD.

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 19:12 | 802928 MsCreant
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Yup. Working on mysteries without hardly any clues. Night moves.

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 16:07 | 802389 KickIce
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Good question.


According to Beck’s formula,  it’s top down (get the right people in government), bottom up (create civil unrest), inside out (The people ask for help from the government who they think is there to help them)   Well, they’re ready to help us all right.


Everything this admin has done; from its stance on immigration, terror and some degree finances has been done to piss off the average American.

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 19:17 | 802937 MsCreant
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While I am not a conspiracy theorist, manipulating public opinion so that we will beg for something even bigger than TARP, and damn the consequences for the future, yeah, that seems about right.

"Help me, help me, the system is going to blooowwww..."

If I had a dick, I'd tell it to blow me...

The men of ZeroHedge have taught me well.


Mon, 12/13/2010 - 19:48 | 803007 prophet
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I guess he figures he was pretty good at helping poor people, so the more poor people there are the more people he can help.

On the other side, he did say in no uncertain terms to buy stocks in MAR09.  

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 15:53 | 802334 The Rock
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Green Eggs (Easter) and Ham (PIIGS)

Not in a box.
Not with a fox.
Not in a house.
Not with a mouse.
I would not eat them
here or there.
I would not eat them anywhere.
I would not eat green eggs and ham.
I do not like them, Sam-I-am.

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 15:56 | 802347 KickIce
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Time to throw them all in the streets and let them burn their fiat currency to keep warm.  Should last them through the next couple of winters and by that time maybe my cash will be worth something.


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