Egypt And The Muslim Brotherhood: A Stratfor Special Report

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Thu, 02/03/2011 - 19:29 | 932943 Quantum Nucleonics
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"Western fears to the contrary, the MB is probably incapable of dominating Egypt. At best, it can realistically hope to be the largest political force in a future government,..."

The same was said of Iran's religious party at the time.  Recall that after the Shah's departure, Iran had a weak secular government nominally supported by the Iranian military.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:27 | 933120 Cocomaan
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The difference is that the 1979 revolution was inspired, if not led by, Khomeni. This is not even remotely the situation in Egypt. To compare the two is stupid.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:40 | 933162 Michael
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Egypt will remain a tolerant secular society.

No way the people will give up their multi billion dollar tourism industry.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:57 | 933204 Cocomaan
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They have a Wonder of the world. Having lived in Egypt, I can completely agree: they know a money maker when they see one. 

The other one they have is the Suez.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 02:53 | 933976 High Plains Drifter
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Khomeni was a member of the Islamic Brotherhood. He was a agent of British Intelligence. He was approached about this while he was living in exile in France.  He was paid $12M to for this job. The Shah was one of the boys too. He was chosen to lead Iran but he got too big for his britches or at least in the eyes of some. He started talking about doing the right thing for Iran and daring to speak of Iranian nationistic interest, interest. Such silly ideas as national interest  are of no concern to people who have no country and who are internationalist and parasites. So you see how it is. They control both sides of the conflict and whichever way it goes, it really doesn't matter. All it takes is some cash and most people have a price. If they don't, then they are eliminated.  Such is the game that is played day in and day out , games that destroy men and build up others, games that affect the lives of human beings all over this planet. IT has been this way for a very long time now.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 00:28 | 939885 Templar X
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Obama is no more in control of the Islamic Revolution taking place in Egypt than Jimmy Carter was when the Shah was overthrown by the Islamic Revolution in Iran. The Shah was our U.S. installed puppet dictator in Iran, just as Mubarak is our puppet dictator in Egypt. The people in the Middle East do not want democracy, but they do want to be free from American imposed secular dictatorship. They prefer Islamic dictatorship! Even Israel is not a democracy, based upon how they mistreat the Arab portion of their population (second class, at best).
Thu, 02/03/2011 - 19:31 | 932946 Catullus
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I think it's fair to include Justin Raimondo's insight into the Muslim Brotherhood narrative.  I like Stratfor, if for no other reason to get an unadulterated neo-con view at times.

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2011/02/01/egypt-battle-of-the-narrat...

 

 

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:33 | 933306 Ham Wallet
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You didn't even read the Stratfor article, did you?  *facepalm*

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:03 | 933417 The Rock
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Thanks for the link.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 19:32 | 932948 Hedgetard55
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Stratfor has a great track record. They are correct at least 10% of the time.

The down low Muslim in chief Pharaoh Soetoro will make sure the MB gets control of Egypt, just as planned.

 

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 19:45 | 932984 Alienated Serf
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hedgetard (appropriate name btw), stop listening to everything glen beck tells you.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:11 | 933063 Hedgetard55
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Serf,

 

     Don't listen to Glenn, he sounds too much like a preacher to me nowadays - can't listen.

     Michael Savage is the shnizzle, though. Give him a listen.

    

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:19 | 933086 Alienated Serf
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i only listen to the voices in my head....

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:35 | 933316 DosZap
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You listen to a JEW?.

And your on the ZH, well at least I have one compadre.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 01:02 | 933856 Alienated Serf
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11 junks, new record for me.  hi there, glenn beck fans.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:22 | 933103 downwiththebanks
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I agree - MB is a backup option to ElBaradei - but I doubt he'll succeed.  If he does, it will require bombers or helicopters. 

Especially after tomorrow.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 09:21 | 934235 Babalooee
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10% is generous. Stratfor is brilliant making you feel like you've been brought up to the 'next level' without actually getting there.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 10:13 | 934483 tarsubil
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Am I the only that remembers their analysis of the housing collapse and how it wasn't that big of a deal? Pretty much stopped reading them after that one.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 13:51 | 935378 GeoFizz
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Recall their 2008 year-in-review where they acknowledged pretty much missing the financial crisis.  Quit reading them too.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 19:34 | 932951 litoralkey
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LOlz, statfor.

FOr real indebth analysis, you go to DEBKAfile.

Come on, I thought ZH was a serious blog.

The internet is serious business.

 

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:30 | 933263 hangemhigh
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the media-con charm school analysts, debka-stratfor-michael savage, are 0-3, can't get around on the fast balls, and have no chance of ever hitting the hard breaking stuff..............

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 19:36 | 932956 Turd Ferguson
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Hitler (with a similar message of destroying Judaism) came to power with "only" a plurality, too.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:10 | 933059 ZerOhead
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Hitler was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood?

Funny... I always thought he was a Catholic.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:19 | 933094 Hugh_Jorgan
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Hitler campaigned as a Christian, but he was Atheist.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:22 | 933100 nmewn
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;-)

Well, there ya go.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:32 | 933123 ZerOhead
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From Wiki...

According to Hitler's chief architect Albert Speer, Hitler remained a formal member of the Catholic Church until his death, although it was Speer's opinion that "he had no real attachment to it."[11]

If you don't mind... since I am an atheist... I'm gonna call him a lukewarm Catholic. Now we just have to figure out that German vs. Austrian thing.

 

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:42 | 933159 Hugh_Jorgan
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This was his cover story to gain the ear of the Germans. This has been reinforced by the Elitist, Atheist academia would LOVE to tie Hitler to Christianity to denegrate it any way they can. Germany was a strong majority Christian country before WWII. There is no way ANYONE would listen to a man unless he was a self ascribed Christian of some kind. He was not raised in the church according to what I've read.

 

So, IMHO at best he was a heretical member of the Catholic church, and I proably should have called him some kind of Pagan vs. a staunch Atheist. Just do a search for Hitler+occult and ready about the insane things he was involved in.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:55 | 933189 ZerOhead
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Heretical member of the Catholic Church it is then!

 

We atheists don't like to let too many pagan/occult members into our club... it kinda destroys the atheism aspect.

Atheism, in a broad sense, is the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[2] Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist.[3] Atheism is contrasted with theism,[4][5] which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists.[5][6]

Paganism (from Latin paganus, meaning "country dweller", "rustic"[1]) is a blanket term, typically used to refer to polytheistic religious traditions.

Occultism is the study of occult or hidden wisdom (forbidden knowledge). To the occultist it is the study of "truth", a deeper truth that exists beneath the surface: "The truth is always hidden in plain sight". It can involve such subjects as magic (alternatively spelled and defined as magick), alchemy, extra-sensory perception, astrology, spiritualism, lithomancy, and numerology. There is often a strong religious element to these studies and beliefs, and many occultists profess adherence to religions such as Gnosticism, Hermeticism, Luciferianism, Satanism, Thelema, and Neopaganism.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:54 | 933382 nmewn
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Whatever else Hitler was...he was not a christian.

He did however happily allow Catholicism/religion and used it for state purposes...which distresses me to no end to say;

The atheists have a point, as did our Founding Fathers, that there should be no state religion.

While I have zero problem with an invocation before a high school football game, others would, as the grounds are operated and funded through the state.

Everyone knows my solution to that so I won't bother elaborating, outside of the fact that the same amount of money to fund it is being taken out of my hide now ;-)

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:32 | 933304 DosZap
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Zero,

Hitler was a member of the Occult.

Said to have practiced Satanic rituals.

He was Catholic in name only.

I oft wonder why as a part Jew(he was), he hated them so much.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:40 | 933158 TuesdayBen
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Much like Obama.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:28 | 933284 Missing_Link
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Hitler was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood?

 

Funny... I always thought he was a Catholic.

ACTUALLY, YES, HE KINDA WAS!

http://christianactionforisrael.org/medigest/may00/arabnazi.html

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:19 | 933088 Hugh_Jorgan
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True. He actually lost his first election, but was able to become supreme Chancellor a few months later with a series of deft maneuvers, aided by naive world and clueless German parliament. The only difference is that in Egypt there is no strong personality with the leadership skills and vision to take the helm. El Baradei is a sycophant socialist puppet who will likely be just a stepping stone toward the real desired destination; a member state in a radical Muslim Caliphate. Until western world leaders emerge that place their something selfless above their personal megalomania, the near future will get darker and darker...

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:07 | 933233 Freddie
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+1

What was one of the catalysts for Hitler?  Greedy bankers looting Germany for reparations including - The JP Morgue.  A bit like the IMF and Ireland.  An Ireland that voted once against the EU but were made to vote again to get it "right."

Where are all the Obama Democrats who last night were fawning over the Muslim Brotherhood? 

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:27 | 933491 DavidPierre
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George W. Bush's great grandfather, Herbert Walker, who played a vital role in financing the takeover of Germany by the Nazis, decides to help them out even more by acting as front man in the U.S. for Nazi-linked businesses including the Harriman family-controlled Hamburg-Amerika Steamship Line.

The Hamburg-Amerika line carried weapons, largely manufactured by Rockefeller-owned Remington Arms, from the United States to Germany to be used by the Nazis in their rise to power through the intimidation of the German population and the murder of anti-Nazi politicians.

Hamburg-Amerika also routinely carried Nazi propagandists and propaganda materials into the U.S. The shipping line will later served as an important conduit for the introduction of German spies into the United States and for the transportation of hundreds of stolen American defense secrets to Germany.
Harriman family errand boy and front man, Prescott Bush, takes time out from financing the rise of Adolf Hitler and the Nazis to organize the finance for William Paley to buy the Columbia Broadcasting System (CBS), at the time a radio network but soon to evolve into America's largest television network.

Paley will be forever grateful to Bush, Harriman and the rest of the Hitler Project gang and will happily make CBS available to the CIA for propaganda and psychological warfare operations against the people of the United States.

Herr Doktor Erich Traub leads a varied and interesting life.

In the 1930s, the German scientist is trained in the fine art of manipulating bacteria and viruses at the Rockefeller Institute in Princeton, New Jersey. He rounds out his first term in the U.S. with membership in the Amerika-Deutscher Volksbund, a German-American ‘club’ also known as Camp Sigfried. Camp Sigfried is the national headquarters of the American Nazi movement.

At the outbreak of World War Two, Traub will return to his native Germany and apply his Rockefeller-acquired skills to Nazi germ warfare, working directly under SS Reichsfuehrer Heinrich Himmler, and conducting grotesque experiments on live victims.

Among his many accomplishments for Nazi Germany will be the release of live virus sprays over the occupied Soviet Union.

At the close of World War Two, Traub's life will come full circle when, along with thousands of other Nazi war criminals and mass murderers, he is rescued from prosecution by Allen Dulles' Operation Paperclip and, nicely de-Nazified, goes to work for the government of the United States of America. Traub finds a satisfying new job in the U.S. Navy's biological warfare program at the Naval Medical Research Institute in Bethesda, Maryland.

America sure is the land of opportunity.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:56 | 933570 nmewn
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You forgot John Maynard Keynes and Joe "Pa" Kennedy who were infinitely more destructive than Prescott's descendants.

At some point you will go all the way to the academic lounges scattered across America and those who inhabited them in those years and there you will find your answer.

Good luck.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:20 | 933627 DavidPierre
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JMK & Pa K never ran the CIA.

The Bush Crime Family ... now that's another story.

1951: 

 Yes, Prescott, there is a Santa Claus. Prescott Bush, whose recent run for the Senate has been unsuccessful following revelations about his role in the American eugenics movement, hits the jackpot.

Front man and errand boy for the Harriman and Rockefeller families in their business dealings with the Nazis from 1926 to 1951, including the period throughout World War Two, Bush neatly evades prosecution with the legal assistance of ever-present Nazi shyster and fellow Hitler Project luminary Allen Dulles.

Instead of doing hard time in the slammer for treason, Bush is handed about $1.5 million in Nazi assets, primarily shares of the Nazi front Union Banking Corporation, which had been seized in 1942 under the Trading With The Enemy Act. The Nazi cash forms a big chunk of the Bush family fortune and will doubtless be of much help to Bush's son, George "Bailout" Bush, and his grandson, George "I'm A Lyin' Guy" Bush, in their successful quests for the presidency of the United States.

But Prescott Bush and his father-in-law, Herbert Walker, are only minority shareholders and front men of the Nazi front Union Banking Corporation.

It is really owned by none other than Roland and Averell Harriman along with a host of other Nazi operations which had been seized under the Trading With The Enemy Act. These include the Holland-American Trading Corporation, the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation and the Silesian-American Corporation which used slave labor from Auschwitz.

The estimated value of the Harrimans' Nazi assets is three billion dollars, a staggering amount of money in 1951.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:22 | 933645 nmewn
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Like I said...your journey is not complete...trust me, it'll be worth it.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 14:37 | 935586 Marla And Me
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Hey DP,

Do you have more extensive sources for your information?

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 19:44 | 936430 DavidPierre
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NEEDLES OF TRUTH IN THE HAYSTACK OF LIES
  • 1984, George Orwell: Old George was bang on with the techniques used by the rulers. "America" couldn't exist without doublethink.
  • A People's History of the United States, Howard Zinn: More history you're not supposed to know.
  • American Holocaust, David Stannard: The genocide of the American Indians.
  • Deadly Deceits, Ralph McGehee: A insider's look at one of the world's leading terrorist organizations, the CIA.
  • IBM and the Holocaust, Edwin Black: the Nazis and America's most powerful corporations in cahoots.
  • Imperial Brain Trust, Laurence Shoup and William Minter: The Rockefellers' Council on Foreign Relations.
  • Killing Hope, William Blum: A saddening record of America's use of overwhelming violence to crush democracy and hope around the world.
  • Lies My Teacher Told Me, James Loewen: American children are taught the lies from day one.
  • Rogue State, William Blum: All other rogue states pale into insignificance when compared with the U.S.
  • The Culture of Terrorism, Noam Chomsky: And he ain't talking about car bombs.
  • The Secret Life of J. Edgar Hoover, Anthony Summers: America's leading law enforcment officer was a lifelong crook. Quelle surprise.
  • The Splendid Blond Beast, Christopher Simpson: Nazi war criminals rescued by the U.S. and hired by the U.S. government and military.
  • Western State Terrorism, Alexander George Editor: The title says it all.
Sat, 02/05/2011 - 07:02 | 937137 nmewn
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Might I suggest John Taylor Gatto for your library.

http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/bookstore/dumbdnblum1.htm

Government sponsored primary education was formulated to make compliant worker drones and zombie citizens.

Not to make men of letters or critical thinkers.

So it follows, that schools of "higher learning" would not undo what would be that foundation.

Regards.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 13:49 | 940888 Marla And Me
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Thank you both. 

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 19:38 | 932962 DosZap
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The MB, only amounts to around 20% of Egyptians.

So, if they get invited to the table I do not see the Military turning the country over to radical Islamists.

IF they do not at least get a seat, then we have (what they are), another Radical bomb eating,murdering bunch of muslim idiots.

They are the same suit as the Taliban, the Hisbollah,Al Queda, just with a different label.

The END GOAL of all these groups is to Islamicize the WORLD.

All of it.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:01 | 933038 fragrantdingleberry
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Lenin had less than 20% support after the Russian revolution but his Bolshevik party was the most well organized. So it is with the MB. 

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:30 | 933287 DosZap
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frag,

'Yep, but they are NOT in favor with the military, and its a strong one, well trained like our guys, and have most of the (our) latest weapons, M1A1 Abrams out the wazoo.

If anyone from the Hood got in, or an outside trouble maker like Bacardi(LOL), who hates the US, prepare for war, and one that will make the Iraq,Trashcanistani ones look like a picnic.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 00:12 | 933759 DoChenRollingBearing
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Trashcanistan, I like that DosZap!  I will use it a conversation sometime soon!

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:30 | 933298 downwiththebanks
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This is true, indeed.  

How long before the logistical capability of the Resistance attains the same level?

Because, right now the MB are nothing more than a bunch of cowards.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:33 | 933138 Max Hunter
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The END GOAL of all these groups is to Islamicize the WORLD.

All of it.

I don't know about all that but... I'm hoping with every fiber of my being that the countries surrounding Israhell get together and kick the living shit right out of those self-righteous Jews..

signed, Cattle from the west

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:25 | 933272 DosZap
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Max,

You know not what you wish.

Israel will be protected by the US, and they have over 6000 Tactical Nukes.

Game over before it starts.And(like me or you), if its your ass or theirs, you WILL use whatever it takes to survive.

Israel will never be defeated again, by any army, even ours,if we decided to use it.( not speaking conventionally here).

They have a special weapon never seen, and will be seen only once.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:02 | 933419 Max Hunter
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You may be right.. There is always that risk though.  I'm well aware of their "Sampson" option..

I personally have no fear of them and will not allow them to convince me that I should..  Fuck em..

I don't believe in their special weapon and I don't believe they were chosen by god.  All of these things they claim with no proof.. Quite convenient.

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