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Egypt And The Muslim Brotherhood: A Stratfor Special Report

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If indeed as Credit Suisse speculated gold's move was predicated by concerns that the Muslim Brotherhood may end the peace treaty with Israel, then the relationship between Egypt and the country's largest Islamist movement, the Muslim Brotherhood, deserves a special focus. Below we publish a special report by Stratfor focusing precisely on this relationship, and what the future may hold for either.

Egypt and the Muslim Brotherhood: A Special Report

With Egypt’s nearly 60-year-old order seemingly collapsing, many are
asking whether the world’s single-largest Islamist movement, the Muslim
Brotherhood (MB), is on the verge of benefiting from demands for
democracy in Egypt, the most pivotal Arab state.

Western fears to the contrary, the MB is probably incapable of
dominating Egypt. At best, it can realistically hope to be the largest
political force in a future government, one in which the military would
have a huge say.

The MB and the Egyptian State

The fear of Islamism for years allowed the single-party state to
prevent the emergence of a secular opposition. Many secular forces were
aligned with the state to prevent an Islamist takeover. Those that did
not remained marginalized by the authoritarian system. As a result, the
MB over the years has evolved into the country’s single-largest
organized socio-political opposition force.

Even though there is no coherent secular group that can rival the
MB’s organizational prowess, Egypt’s main Islamist movement hardly has a
monopoly over public support. A great many Egyptians are either secular
liberals or religious conservatives who do not subscribe to Islamist
tenets. Certainly, the bulk of the people out on the streets in the
recent unrest are not demanding that the secular autocracy be replaced
with an Islamist democracy.

Still, as Egypt’s biggest political movement, the MB has raised
Western and Israeli fears of an Egypt going the way of Islamism,
particularly if the military is not able to manage the transition. To
understand the MB today — and thus to evaluate these international fears
— we must first consider the group’s origins and evolution.

Origins and Evolution of the MB

Founded in the town of Ismailia in 1928 by a schoolteacher named
Hassan al-Banna, the MB was the world’s first organized Islamist
movement (though Islamism as an ideology had been in the making since
the late 19th century). It was formed as a social movement to pursue the
revival of Islam in the country and beyond at a time when secular
left-leaning nationalism was rising in the Arab and Muslim world.

It quickly moved beyond just charitable and educational activities to
emerge as a political movement, however. Al-Banna’s views formed the
core of the group’s ideology, which are an amalgamation of Islamic
values and Western political thought, which rejected both traditional
religious ideas as well as wholesale Westernization. The MB was the
first organizational manifestation of the modernist trend within Muslim
religio-political thought that embraced nationalism and moved beyond the
idea of a caliphate. That said, the movement was also the first
organized Islamic response to Western-led secular modernity.

Its view of jihad in the sense of armed struggle was limited to
freedom from foreign occupation (British occupation in the case of Egypt
and the Israeli occupation of Palestinian land). But it had a more
comprehensive understanding of jihad pertaining to intellectual
awakening of the masses and political mobilization. It was also very
ecumenical in terms of intra-Muslim issues. Each of these aspects
allowed the movement to quickly gain strength; by the late 1940s, it
reportedly had more than a million members.

By the late 1930s, there was great internal pressure on the MB
leadership to form a military wing to pursue an armed struggle against
the British occupation. The leadership was fearful that such a move
would damage the movement, which was pursuing a gradual approach to
socio-political change by providing social services and the creation of
professional syndicates among lawyers, doctors, engineers, academics,
etc. The MB, however, reluctantly did allow for the formation of a
covert militant entity, which soon began conducting militant attacks not
authorized by al-Banna and the leadership.

Until the late 1940s, the MB was a legal entity in the country, but
the monarchy began to view it as a major threat to its power —
especially given its emphasis on freedom from the British and opposition
to all those allied with the occupation forces. The MB was at the
forefront of organizing strikes and nationalist rallies. It also
participated, though unsuccessfully, in the 1945 elections.

While officially steering clear of any participation in World War II,
the MB did align with Nazi Germany against the United Kingdom, which
saw the movement become involved in militancy against the British. MB
participation in the 1948 Arab-Israeli war further energized the
militants. That same year, the covert militant entity within the
movement assassinated a judge who had handed prison sentences to a MB
member for attacking British troops.

It was at this point that the monarchy moved to disband the movement
and the first large-scale arrests of its leadership took place. The
crackdown on the MB allowed the militant elements the freedom to pursue
their agenda unencumbered by the movement’s hierarchy. The assassination
of then-Prime Minister Nokrashy Pasha at the hands of an MB militant
proved to be a turning point in the movement’s history.

Al-Banna condemned the assassination and distanced the movement from
the militants but he, too, was assassinated in 1949, allegedly by
government agents. Al-Banna was replaced as general guide of the
movement by a prominent judge, Hassan al-Hudaybi, who was not a member
of the movement but held al-Banna in high regard. The appointment, which
conflicted with the MB charter, created numerous internal problems and
exacerbated the rift between the core movement and the militant faction.

Meanwhile, the Egyptian government’s October 1951 decision to
abrogate the 1936 Anglo-Egyptian treaty set off nationwide agitation
against British rule. Armed clashes between British forces and Egyptians
broke out. The MB’s militant faction took part while the core movement
steered clear of the unrest. It was in the midst of this unrest that the
1952 coup led by Gamal Abdel Nasser against the monarchy took place.
The MB supported the coup, thinking they would be rewarded with a
political share of the government. The cordial relationship between the
new Free Officers regime and the MB did not last long, however, largely
because the military regime did not want to share power with the MB and,
like the monarchy, saw the MB as a threat to its nascent state.

Initially, the new regime abolished all political groups except the
MB. The Nasser regime, in an attempt to manage the power of the MB,
asked it to join the Liberation Rally — the first political vehicle
created by the new state. Unsuccessful in its attempts to co-opt the MB,
the Nasser regime began to exploit the internal differences within the
movement, especially over the leadership of al-Hudaybi. The MB leader
faced mounting criticism that he had converted the movement into an
elite group that had reduced the movement to issuing statements and had
taken advantage of the notion of obedience and loyalty to the leader to
perpetuate his authoritarian hold. Al-Hudaybi, however, prevailed and
the MB disbanded the covert militant entity and expelled its members
from the movement.

In 1954, the regime finally decided to outlaw the MB, accusing it of
conspiring to topple the government and arresting many members and
leaders, including al-Hudaybi. Meanwhile, the military regime ran into
internal problems with Nasser locked in a power struggle with Gen.
Muhammad Naguib, who was made the first president of the modern republic
(1953-54). Nasser succeeded in getting the support of al-Hudaybi and
the MB to deal with the internal rift in exchange for allowing the MB to
operate legally and releasing its members.

The government reneged on its promises to release prisoners and the
complex relationship between Nasser and al-Hudaybi further destabilized
the MB from within, allowing for the militant faction to regain
influence. The MB demanded the end of martial law and a restoration of
parliamentary democracy. Cairo in the meantime announced a new treaty
with London over the Suez Canal, which was criticized by the
al-Hudaybi-led leadership as tantamount to making Egypt subservient to
the United Kingdom.

This led to further police action against the movement and a campaign
against its leadership in the official press. The Nasser government
also tried to have al-Hudaybi removed as leader of the MB. Between the
internal pressures and those from the regime, the movement had moved
into a period of internal disarray.

The covert militant faction that was no longer under the control of
the leadership because of the earlier expulsions saw the treaty as
treasonous and the MB as unable to confront the regime, so it sought to
escalate matters. Some members allegedly were involved in the
assassination attempt on Nasser in October 1954, which allowed the
regime to engage in the biggest crackdown on the MB in its history.
Thousands of members including al-Hudaybi were sentenced to harsh prison
terms and tortured.

It was during this period that another relative outsider in the
movement, Sayyid Qutb, a literary figure and a civil servant, emerged as
an influential ideologue of the group shortly after joining up. Qutb
also experienced long periods of imprisonment and torture, which
radicalized his views. He eventually called for the complete overthrow
of the system. He wrote many treatises, but one in particular,
Milestones, was extremely influential — not so much within the
movement, as among a new generation of more radical Islamists.

Qutb was executed in 1966 on charges of trying to topple the
government, but his ideas inspired the founding of jihadism.
Disenchanted with the MB ideology and its approach, a younger generation
of extremely militant Islamists emerged. These elements, who would
found the world’s first jihadist groups, saw the MB as having
compromised on Islamic principles and accepted Western ideas. Further
galvanizing this new breed of militant Islamists was the Arab defeat in
the 1967 war with Israel and the MB’s formal renunciation of violence in

Anwar Sadat’s rise to power after Nasser’s death in 1970 helped the
MB gain some reprieve in that Sadat gradually eased the restrictions on
the movement (but retained the ban on it) and tried to use it to contain
left-wing forces. After almost two decades of dealing with state
repression, the MB had been overshadowed by more militant groups such as
Tandheem al-Jihad and Gamaa al-Islamiyah, which had risen to prominence
in the 1980s and 1990s. Close ties with Saudi Arabia, which sought to
contain Nasserism, also helped the organization maintain itself.

While never legalized, the MB spent the years after Sadat’s rise
trying to make use of the fact that the regime tolerated the movement to
rebuild itself. Its historical legacy helped the MB maintain its status
as the main Islamist movement, as well as its organizational structure
and civil society presence. Furthermore, the regime of Sadat’s
successor, Hosni Mubarak, was able to crush the jihadist groups by the
late 1990s, and this also helped the MB regain its stature.

The MB thus went through different phases during the monarchy and the
modern republic when it tried to balance its largely political
activities with limited experiments with militancy, and there were
several periods during which the state tried to suppress the MB. (The
first such period was in the late 1940s, the second phase in the
mid-1950s when the Nasser regime began to dismantle the MB and the third
took place in the mid-1960s during the Qutbist years.)

MB beyond Egypt

Shortly after its rise in Egypt, the MB spread to other parts of the
Arab world. The Syrian branch founded in the late 1930s to early 1940s
grew much more radical than its parent, wholeheartedly adopting armed
struggle — which sparked a major crackdown in 1982 by Syrian President
Hafez al Assad’s regime that killed tens of thousands. In sharp
contrast, the Muslim Brotherhood in Jordan in the early 1940s very early
on established an accommodationist attitude with the Hashemite monarchy
and became a legal entity and founded a political party.

Until the Israeli capture of the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the 1967
war, the Palestinian and Jordanian branches constituted more or less a
singular entity. The Gaza-based branch was affiliated with the Egyptian
Muslim Brotherhood, which Israel used to weaken the Palestine Liberation
Organization (PLO). Those elements went on to form Hamas in 1987, which
has pursued its activities on a dual track — political pragmatism in
intra-Palestinian affairs and armed struggle against Israel. Hamas also
emerged in the West Bank though not on the same scale as in Gaza.

Similarly, in the Arabian Peninsula states, Iraq and North Africa,
there are legal opposition parties that do not call themselves MB but
are ideological descendants of the MB. The parent MB, by contrast, was
never legalized and has never formed a political party per se. While the
Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt is the parent body and there is a lot of
coordination among the various chapters in different countries, each
branch is an independent entity, which has also allowed for a variety of
groups to evolve differently in keeping with the circumstances in the
various countries.

Despite dabbling in militancy, Egypt’s MB always remained a pragmatic
organization. Egypt’s true militant Islamists in fact represent a
rejection of the MB’s pragmatism. Decades before al Qaeda came on the
scene with its transnational jihadism, Egypt was struggling with as many
as five different jihadist groups (born out of a rejection of the MB
approach) fighting Cairo. Two of them became very prominent: Tandheem
al-Jihad, which was behind Sadat’s assassination, and Gamaa
al-Islamiyah, which led a violent insurgency in the 1990s responsible
for the killings of foreign tourists. The jihadist movement within the
country ultimately was contained, with both Tandheem al-Jihad and Gamaa
al-Islamiyah renouncing violence though smaller elements from both
groups joined up with al Qaeda-led transnational jihadist movement.

Global perceptions of the MB and of political Islamists have not
distinguished between pragmatist and militant Islamists, especially
after the 9/11 attack and rising fears over Hamas and Hezbollah’s
successes. Instead, the MB often has been lumped in with the most
radical of the radicals in Western eyes. Very little attention has been
paid to the majority of Islamists who are not jihadists and instead are
political forces. In fact, even Hamas and Hezbollah are more political
groups than simply militants.

There is a growing lobby within the United States and Europe, among
academics and members of think tanks, that has sought to draw the
distinction between pragmatists and radicals. For more than a decade,
this lobby has pushed for seeking out moderates in the MB and other
Islamist forces in the Arab and Muslim world to better manage radicalism
and the changes that will come from aging regimes crumbling.


Because Egypt has never had free and fair elections, the MB’s
popularity and its commitment to democracy both remain untested. In
Egypt’s 2005 election, which was less rigged than any previous Egyptian
vote, given the Bush administration’s push for greater democratization
in the Middle East, MB members running as independents managed to
increase their share of the legislature fivefold. It won 88 seats,
making it the biggest opposition bloc in parliament.

But the MB is internally divided. It faces a generational struggle,
with an old guard trying to prevent its ideals from being diluted while a
younger generation (the 35-55 age bracket) looks to Turkey’s Justice
and Development Party (AKP) as a role model.

The MB also lacks a monopoly over religious discourse in Egypt. A
great many religious conservatives do not support the MB. Egypt also has
a significant apolitical Salafist trend. Most of the very large class
of theologians centered around Al-Azhar University has not come out in
support of the MB or any other Islamist group. There are also Islamist
forces both more pragmatic and more militant than the MB. For example,
Hizb al-Wasat, which has not gotten a license to operate as an official
opposition party, is a small offshoot of the MB that is much more
pragmatic than the parent entity. What remains of Tandheem al-Jihad and
Gamaa al-Islamiyah, which renounced violence and condemned al Qaeda, are
examples of radical Islamist groups. And small jihadist cells inspired
by or linked to al Qaeda also complicate this picture.

Taken together, the MB remains an untested political force that faces
infighting and competitors for the Islamist mantel and a large secular
population. Given these challenges to the MB, confrontation with the
West is by no means a given even if the MB emerged as a major force in a
post-Mubarak order.

The MB is also well aware of the opposition it faces within Egypt,
the region and the West. The crumbling of the Mubarak regime and perhaps
the order that damaged the MB for decades is a historic opportunity for
the movement, which it does not wish to squander. Therefore it is going
to handle this opportunity very carefully and avoid radical moves. The
MB is also not designed to lead a revolution; rather, its internal setup
is such that it will gradually seek a democratic order.

The United States in recent years has had considerable experience in
dealing with Islamist forces with Turkey, under the AKP, being the most
prominent example. Likewise in Iraq, Washington has dealt with Islamists
both Sunni (Iraqi Vice President Tariq al-Hashmi for many years was a
prominent figure in the Iraqi chapter of the MB called the Iraqi Islamic
Party) and Shiite (Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, Islamic Supreme
Council of Iraq leader Abdel Aziz al-Hakim, Muqtada al-Sadr, etc.) as
part of the effort to forge the post-Baathist republic.

That said, the Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt is viewed as a very opaque
organization, which increases U.S. and Israeli trepidations. Neither of
these powers are willing to place their national security interests on
the assumption that the Muslim Brotherhood would remain a benign force
(as it appears to be) in the event that it came into power. Concerns
also exist about potential fissures within the organization that may
steer the movement into a radical direction, especially when it comes to
foreign policy issues such as the alliance with the United States and
the peace treaty with Israel.

The possible looming collapse of the 60-year Egyptian order presents a
historic opportunity for the MB to position itself. Even though the
movement has remained pragmatic for much of its history and seeks to
achieve its goals via constitutional and electoral means and has opted
for peaceful civil obedience and working with the military as a way out
of the current impasse, its commitment to democratic politics is
something that remains to be seen. More important, it is expected to
push for a foreign policy more independent from Washington and a tougher
attitude toward Israel.

At this stage, however, it is not clear if the MB will necessarily
come to power. If it does, then it will likely be circumscribed by other
political forces and the military. There are also structural hurdles in
the path of the MB taking power. First, the ban on the movement would
have to be lifted. Second, the Constitution would have to be amended to
allow for religious parties to exist for the MB to participate as a
movement. Alternatively, it could form a political party along the lines
of its Jordanian counterpart. Being part of a future coalition
government could allow the United States to manage its rise. Either way,
the MB — an enormously patient organization — senses its time finally
may have come.


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Thu, 02/03/2011 - 19:29 | 932943 Quantum Nucleonics
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"Western fears to the contrary, the MB is probably incapable of dominating Egypt. At best, it can realistically hope to be the largest political force in a future government,..."

The same was said of Iran's religious party at the time.  Recall that after the Shah's departure, Iran had a weak secular government nominally supported by the Iranian military.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:27 | 933120 Cocomaan
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The difference is that the 1979 revolution was inspired, if not led by, Khomeni. This is not even remotely the situation in Egypt. To compare the two is stupid.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:40 | 933162 Michael
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Egypt will remain a tolerant secular society.

No way the people will give up their multi billion dollar tourism industry.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:57 | 933204 Cocomaan
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They have a Wonder of the world. Having lived in Egypt, I can completely agree: they know a money maker when they see one. 

The other one they have is the Suez.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 02:53 | 933976 High Plains Drifter
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Khomeni was a member of the Islamic Brotherhood. He was a agent of British Intelligence. He was approached about this while he was living in exile in France.  He was paid $12M to for this job. The Shah was one of the boys too. He was chosen to lead Iran but he got too big for his britches or at least in the eyes of some. He started talking about doing the right thing for Iran and daring to speak of Iranian nationistic interest, interest. Such silly ideas as national interest  are of no concern to people who have no country and who are internationalist and parasites. So you see how it is. They control both sides of the conflict and whichever way it goes, it really doesn't matter. All it takes is some cash and most people have a price. If they don't, then they are eliminated.  Such is the game that is played day in and day out , games that destroy men and build up others, games that affect the lives of human beings all over this planet. IT has been this way for a very long time now.

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 00:28 | 939885 Templar X
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Obama is no more in control of the Islamic Revolution taking place in Egypt than Jimmy Carter was when the Shah was overthrown by the Islamic Revolution in Iran. The Shah was our U.S. installed puppet dictator in Iran, just as Mubarak is our puppet dictator in Egypt. The people in the Middle East do not want democracy, but they do want to be free from American imposed secular dictatorship. They prefer Islamic dictatorship! Even Israel is not a democracy, based upon how they mistreat the Arab portion of their population (second class, at best).
Thu, 02/03/2011 - 19:31 | 932946 Catullus
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I think it's fair to include Justin Raimondo's insight into the Muslim Brotherhood narrative.  I like Stratfor, if for no other reason to get an unadulterated neo-con view at times.



Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:33 | 933306 Ham Wallet
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You didn't even read the Stratfor article, did you?  *facepalm*

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:03 | 933417 The Rock
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Thanks for the link.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 19:32 | 932948 Hedgetard55
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Stratfor has a great track record. They are correct at least 10% of the time.

The down low Muslim in chief Pharaoh Soetoro will make sure the MB gets control of Egypt, just as planned.


Thu, 02/03/2011 - 19:45 | 932984 Alienated Serf
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hedgetard (appropriate name btw), stop listening to everything glen beck tells you.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:11 | 933063 Hedgetard55
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     Don't listen to Glenn, he sounds too much like a preacher to me nowadays - can't listen.

     Michael Savage is the shnizzle, though. Give him a listen.


Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:19 | 933086 Alienated Serf
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i only listen to the voices in my head....

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:35 | 933316 DosZap
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You listen to a JEW?.

And your on the ZH, well at least I have one compadre.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 01:02 | 933856 Alienated Serf
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11 junks, new record for me.  hi there, glenn beck fans.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:22 | 933103 downwiththebanks
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I agree - MB is a backup option to ElBaradei - but I doubt he'll succeed.  If he does, it will require bombers or helicopters. 

Especially after tomorrow.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 09:21 | 934235 Babalooee
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10% is generous. Stratfor is brilliant making you feel like you've been brought up to the 'next level' without actually getting there.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 10:13 | 934483 tarsubil
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Am I the only that remembers their analysis of the housing collapse and how it wasn't that big of a deal? Pretty much stopped reading them after that one.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 13:51 | 935378 GeoFizz
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Recall their 2008 year-in-review where they acknowledged pretty much missing the financial crisis.  Quit reading them too.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 19:34 | 932951 litoralkey
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LOlz, statfor.

FOr real indebth analysis, you go to DEBKAfile.

Come on, I thought ZH was a serious blog.

The internet is serious business.


Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:30 | 933263 hangemhigh
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the media-con charm school analysts, debka-stratfor-michael savage, are 0-3, can't get around on the fast balls, and have no chance of ever hitting the hard breaking stuff..............

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 19:36 | 932956 Turd Ferguson
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Hitler (with a similar message of destroying Judaism) came to power with "only" a plurality, too.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:10 | 933059 ZerOhead
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Hitler was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood?

Funny... I always thought he was a Catholic.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:19 | 933094 Hugh_Jorgan
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Hitler campaigned as a Christian, but he was Atheist.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:22 | 933100 nmewn
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Well, there ya go.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:32 | 933123 ZerOhead
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From Wiki...

According to Hitler's chief architect Albert Speer, Hitler remained a formal member of the Catholic Church until his death, although it was Speer's opinion that "he had no real attachment to it."[11]

If you don't mind... since I am an atheist... I'm gonna call him a lukewarm Catholic. Now we just have to figure out that German vs. Austrian thing.


Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:42 | 933159 Hugh_Jorgan
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This was his cover story to gain the ear of the Germans. This has been reinforced by the Elitist, Atheist academia would LOVE to tie Hitler to Christianity to denegrate it any way they can. Germany was a strong majority Christian country before WWII. There is no way ANYONE would listen to a man unless he was a self ascribed Christian of some kind. He was not raised in the church according to what I've read.


So, IMHO at best he was a heretical member of the Catholic church, and I proably should have called him some kind of Pagan vs. a staunch Atheist. Just do a search for Hitler+occult and ready about the insane things he was involved in.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:55 | 933189 ZerOhead
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Heretical member of the Catholic Church it is then!


We atheists don't like to let too many pagan/occult members into our club... it kinda destroys the atheism aspect.

Atheism, in a broad sense, is the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[2] Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist.[3] Atheism is contrasted with theism,[4][5] which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists.[5][6]

Paganism (from Latin paganus, meaning "country dweller", "rustic"[1]) is a blanket term, typically used to refer to polytheistic religious traditions.

Occultism is the study of occult or hidden wisdom (forbidden knowledge). To the occultist it is the study of "truth", a deeper truth that exists beneath the surface: "The truth is always hidden in plain sight". It can involve such subjects as magic (alternatively spelled and defined as magick), alchemy, extra-sensory perception, astrology, spiritualism, lithomancy, and numerology. There is often a strong religious element to these studies and beliefs, and many occultists profess adherence to religions such as Gnosticism, Hermeticism, Luciferianism, Satanism, Thelema, and Neopaganism.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:54 | 933382 nmewn
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Whatever else Hitler was...he was not a christian.

He did however happily allow Catholicism/religion and used it for state purposes...which distresses me to no end to say;

The atheists have a point, as did our Founding Fathers, that there should be no state religion.

While I have zero problem with an invocation before a high school football game, others would, as the grounds are operated and funded through the state.

Everyone knows my solution to that so I won't bother elaborating, outside of the fact that the same amount of money to fund it is being taken out of my hide now ;-)

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:32 | 933304 DosZap
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Hitler was a member of the Occult.

Said to have practiced Satanic rituals.

He was Catholic in name only.

I oft wonder why as a part Jew(he was), he hated them so much.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:40 | 933158 TuesdayBen
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Much like Obama.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:28 | 933284 Missing_Link
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Hitler was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood?


Funny... I always thought he was a Catholic.


Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:19 | 933088 Hugh_Jorgan
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True. He actually lost his first election, but was able to become supreme Chancellor a few months later with a series of deft maneuvers, aided by naive world and clueless German parliament. The only difference is that in Egypt there is no strong personality with the leadership skills and vision to take the helm. El Baradei is a sycophant socialist puppet who will likely be just a stepping stone toward the real desired destination; a member state in a radical Muslim Caliphate. Until western world leaders emerge that place their something selfless above their personal megalomania, the near future will get darker and darker...

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:07 | 933233 Freddie
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What was one of the catalysts for Hitler?  Greedy bankers looting Germany for reparations including - The JP Morgue.  A bit like the IMF and Ireland.  An Ireland that voted once against the EU but were made to vote again to get it "right."

Where are all the Obama Democrats who last night were fawning over the Muslim Brotherhood? 

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:27 | 933491 DavidPierre
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George W. Bush's great grandfather, Herbert Walker, who played a vital role in financing the takeover of Germany by the Nazis, decides to help them out even more by acting as front man in the U.S. for Nazi-linked businesses including the Harriman family-controlled Hamburg-Amerika Steamship Line.

The Hamburg-Amerika line carried weapons, largely manufactured by Rockefeller-owned Remington Arms, from the United States to Germany to be used by the Nazis in their rise to power through the intimidation of the German population and the murder of anti-Nazi politicians.

Hamburg-Amerika also routinely carried Nazi propagandists and propaganda materials into the U.S. The shipping line will later served as an important conduit for the introduction of German spies into the United States and for the transportation of hundreds of stolen American defense secrets to Germany.
Harriman family errand boy and front man, Prescott Bush, takes time out from financing the rise of Adolf Hitler and the Nazis to organize the finance for William Paley to buy the Columbia Broadcasting System (CBS), at the time a radio network but soon to evolve into America's largest television network.

Paley will be forever grateful to Bush, Harriman and the rest of the Hitler Project gang and will happily make CBS available to the CIA for propaganda and psychological warfare operations against the people of the United States.

Herr Doktor Erich Traub leads a varied and interesting life.

In the 1930s, the German scientist is trained in the fine art of manipulating bacteria and viruses at the Rockefeller Institute in Princeton, New Jersey. He rounds out his first term in the U.S. with membership in the Amerika-Deutscher Volksbund, a German-American ‘club’ also known as Camp Sigfried. Camp Sigfried is the national headquarters of the American Nazi movement.

At the outbreak of World War Two, Traub will return to his native Germany and apply his Rockefeller-acquired skills to Nazi germ warfare, working directly under SS Reichsfuehrer Heinrich Himmler, and conducting grotesque experiments on live victims.

Among his many accomplishments for Nazi Germany will be the release of live virus sprays over the occupied Soviet Union.

At the close of World War Two, Traub's life will come full circle when, along with thousands of other Nazi war criminals and mass murderers, he is rescued from prosecution by Allen Dulles' Operation Paperclip and, nicely de-Nazified, goes to work for the government of the United States of America. Traub finds a satisfying new job in the U.S. Navy's biological warfare program at the Naval Medical Research Institute in Bethesda, Maryland.

America sure is the land of opportunity.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:56 | 933570 nmewn
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You forgot John Maynard Keynes and Joe "Pa" Kennedy who were infinitely more destructive than Prescott's descendants.

At some point you will go all the way to the academic lounges scattered across America and those who inhabited them in those years and there you will find your answer.

Good luck.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:20 | 933627 DavidPierre
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JMK & Pa K never ran the CIA.

The Bush Crime Family ... now that's another story.


 Yes, Prescott, there is a Santa Claus. Prescott Bush, whose recent run for the Senate has been unsuccessful following revelations about his role in the American eugenics movement, hits the jackpot.

Front man and errand boy for the Harriman and Rockefeller families in their business dealings with the Nazis from 1926 to 1951, including the period throughout World War Two, Bush neatly evades prosecution with the legal assistance of ever-present Nazi shyster and fellow Hitler Project luminary Allen Dulles.

Instead of doing hard time in the slammer for treason, Bush is handed about $1.5 million in Nazi assets, primarily shares of the Nazi front Union Banking Corporation, which had been seized in 1942 under the Trading With The Enemy Act. The Nazi cash forms a big chunk of the Bush family fortune and will doubtless be of much help to Bush's son, George "Bailout" Bush, and his grandson, George "I'm A Lyin' Guy" Bush, in their successful quests for the presidency of the United States.

But Prescott Bush and his father-in-law, Herbert Walker, are only minority shareholders and front men of the Nazi front Union Banking Corporation.

It is really owned by none other than Roland and Averell Harriman along with a host of other Nazi operations which had been seized under the Trading With The Enemy Act. These include the Holland-American Trading Corporation, the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation and the Silesian-American Corporation which used slave labor from Auschwitz.

The estimated value of the Harrimans' Nazi assets is three billion dollars, a staggering amount of money in 1951.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:22 | 933645 nmewn
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Like I said...your journey is not me, it'll be worth it.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 14:37 | 935586 Marla And Me
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Hey DP,

Do you have more extensive sources for your information?

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 19:44 | 936430 DavidPierre
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  • 1984, George Orwell: Old George was bang on with the techniques used by the rulers. "America" couldn't exist without doublethink.
  • A People's History of the United States, Howard Zinn: More history you're not supposed to know.
  • American Holocaust, David Stannard: The genocide of the American Indians.
  • Deadly Deceits, Ralph McGehee: A insider's look at one of the world's leading terrorist organizations, the CIA.
  • IBM and the Holocaust, Edwin Black: the Nazis and America's most powerful corporations in cahoots.
  • Imperial Brain Trust, Laurence Shoup and William Minter: The Rockefellers' Council on Foreign Relations.
  • Killing Hope, William Blum: A saddening record of America's use of overwhelming violence to crush democracy and hope around the world.
  • Lies My Teacher Told Me, James Loewen: American children are taught the lies from day one.
  • Rogue State, William Blum: All other rogue states pale into insignificance when compared with the U.S.
  • The Culture of Terrorism, Noam Chomsky: And he ain't talking about car bombs.
  • The Secret Life of J. Edgar Hoover, Anthony Summers: America's leading law enforcment officer was a lifelong crook. Quelle surprise.
  • The Splendid Blond Beast, Christopher Simpson: Nazi war criminals rescued by the U.S. and hired by the U.S. government and military.
  • Western State Terrorism, Alexander George Editor: The title says it all.
Sat, 02/05/2011 - 07:02 | 937137 nmewn
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Might I suggest John Taylor Gatto for your library.

Government sponsored primary education was formulated to make compliant worker drones and zombie citizens.

Not to make men of letters or critical thinkers.

So it follows, that schools of "higher learning" would not undo what would be that foundation.


Mon, 02/07/2011 - 13:49 | 940888 Marla And Me
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Thank you both. 

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 19:38 | 932962 DosZap
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The MB, only amounts to around 20% of Egyptians.

So, if they get invited to the table I do not see the Military turning the country over to radical Islamists.

IF they do not at least get a seat, then we have (what they are), another Radical bomb eating,murdering bunch of muslim idiots.

They are the same suit as the Taliban, the Hisbollah,Al Queda, just with a different label.

The END GOAL of all these groups is to Islamicize the WORLD.

All of it.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:01 | 933038 fragrantdingleberry
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Lenin had less than 20% support after the Russian revolution but his Bolshevik party was the most well organized. So it is with the MB. 

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:30 | 933287 DosZap
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'Yep, but they are NOT in favor with the military, and its a strong one, well trained like our guys, and have most of the (our) latest weapons, M1A1 Abrams out the wazoo.

If anyone from the Hood got in, or an outside trouble maker like Bacardi(LOL), who hates the US, prepare for war, and one that will make the Iraq,Trashcanistani ones look like a picnic.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 00:12 | 933759 DoChenRollingBearing
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Trashcanistan, I like that DosZap!  I will use it a conversation sometime soon!

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:30 | 933298 downwiththebanks
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This is true, indeed.  

How long before the logistical capability of the Resistance attains the same level?

Because, right now the MB are nothing more than a bunch of cowards.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:33 | 933138 Max Hunter
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The END GOAL of all these groups is to Islamicize the WORLD.

All of it.

I don't know about all that but... I'm hoping with every fiber of my being that the countries surrounding Israhell get together and kick the living shit right out of those self-righteous Jews..

signed, Cattle from the west

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:25 | 933272 DosZap
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You know not what you wish.

Israel will be protected by the US, and they have over 6000 Tactical Nukes.

Game over before it starts.And(like me or you), if its your ass or theirs, you WILL use whatever it takes to survive.

Israel will never be defeated again, by any army, even ours,if we decided to use it.( not speaking conventionally here).

They have a special weapon never seen, and will be seen only once.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:02 | 933419 Max Hunter
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You may be right.. There is always that risk though.  I'm well aware of their "Sampson" option..

I personally have no fear of them and will not allow them to convince me that I should..  Fuck em..

I don't believe in their special weapon and I don't believe they were chosen by god.  All of these things they claim with no proof.. Quite convenient.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 00:56 | 933843 MSimon
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Chosen by God merely means they get their asses kicked harder if they misbehave. Just look at their history.


Be glad you haven't been chose.


Fri, 02/04/2011 - 10:47 | 934639 Remington IV
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Were you beaten up by a little Jewish girl when you were growing up ?

Were you raped by an uncle ?

You poor thing , must be so hard to get over that . Hold on to your hate Max , we still support  you , welcome to ZeroHedge

Sat, 02/05/2011 - 17:50 | 937898 Bicycle Repairman
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What percentage of Americans belong to the Republican party?

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 19:48 | 932976 Salinger
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I posted before FYI (youmay want to sign up for their facebook knock-off


(NOTE it looks like a bunch of their sites are down -- (DoS attack perhaps - or overwhelming interest in siging up)

Muslim Brotherhood:

official English language Website

Facebook page

Twitter account

IkhwanWebTube Muslim Brotherhood video site

Ikhwan BOOK  Muslim Brotherhood Social Networking Site


I heard some 'experts' interviewed on one of the cable news channels and contrary to Stratfor the guy suggested that MB would have won in 2005 if it had not been rigged

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 19:45 | 932985 tired1
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Thanks for the info.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 19:46 | 932991 KickIce
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Guess we're about to find out how badly the radicals/MB have infiltrated the military.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:23 | 933107 downwiththebanks
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The 'radical' MB have been sitting out the recent events.

Bunch of cowards, it turns out.

That ... or total and complete lackeys.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:42 | 933166 KickIce
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Not a chance.  My guess is they are getting excellent info and are just waiting for the opportunity to pounce.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:18 | 933258 downwiththebanks
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Here's the info they needed:  (Mu)Barak's paid thugs are attacking the Movement that, 2 days earlier, they marched with.

Fucking cowards.  Worthless, pathetic cowards.  

One statement from one leader yesterday - getting them to Tahrir Square - encircles and destroys the brownshirts.

Instead, cars were bringing them load after load of Molotov Cocktails for 10 hours.


Thu, 02/03/2011 - 19:52 | 933010 atomicwasted
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I used to think something similar, but reading it from the broken clock that is Stratfor makes me think I'm wrong.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:48 | 933179 serotonindumptruck
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At least it isn't Debka.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:50 | 933187 atomicwasted
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Debka is amusing in the same way that the Weekly World News is amusing, and scary in that some people take it seriously.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:57 | 933206 serotonindumptruck
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I've received some good information from these folks.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 19:53 | 933011 wretch
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Even the most hypothetically western-friendly "peoples' government" would reject the empire's current self-serving arrangements.  Egypt spells the end of the road for the empire, even under the best scenario.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:00 | 933099 ZerOhead
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Yup. It's merely a matter of time... and rising food prices before these dictatorships fall. Best to get the Obamanation behind the forces of freedom.... cuz when Saudi falls it's going to leave a mark.

And if Bankfine &Co. continues to load up on agricultural commodities he actually WILL be doing God's Work!


Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:32 | 933137 downwiththebanks
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No popular government in Egypt could possibly continue to export oil to Apartheid Israel.

Nor will they continue to besiege the people of Gaza.

That's the starting point, in all likelihood.  I'd give the big 'fuck you' to the Western banks if I were dictator-for-a-day, but that's just me ...

Anyone who thinks the Uncle Sam wanted this is a crazy person.  They're scared shitless, which is why The (Mu)Barak ordered his goons out yesterday.  Uncle Sam will settle for anyone he can control at this point.  But he can't control the people.

So they must be destroyed.  Preferably off-camera.

But that's hardly required, as we know.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 19:56 | 933022 celticgold
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Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:04 | 933047 nmewn
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Thu, 02/03/2011 - 19:59 | 933029 Hedgetard55
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Pharaoh Barry is already working on bringing the same revolution here.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:36 | 933149 william the bastard
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Mubarak Hussien Obama. He sounds like a likely member.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:33 | 933305 downwiththebanks
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Hardly the same revolution.  Not even close.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 19:59 | 933032 spekulatn
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Conclusion: Protests continue in Egypt and it seems obvious now that the army is increasingly in charge, not Mubarak; though that is not likely a stable social construct either. Even if Mubarak does somehow manage to hang on, Egypt will never be the country it was before the demonstrations. And Western elites, evidently willing to encourage social chaos, including potential economic chaos (oil and gold price spikes, etc.), may now begin to regret what has been done. Too late. Things will not revert in our view, nor, perhaps, are people in the Internet era as controllable as they were in the 20th century. In fact, it would be ironic indeed if the Anglosphere's antagonists – Islam and the Muslim world in general – led the way to a freer 21st century not only for the Middle East but for the Western world as well.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 01:01 | 933853 MSimon
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A LOT of westerners are pining for Sharia. I wouldn't call them freedom lovers though.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:04 | 933039 Youri Carma
Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:03 | 933045 Revolution_star...
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I think we create a lot of problems in our attempt to "influence" other countries. If we didn't come to the table with bias based on corporate and military interests, it wouldn't really matter.

I don't think all of these things coming to end will be a bad thing, the empire is highly over rated. It expensive, bulky, leads to bad partners and gets you into a lot of wars.


Technology will expand at a rate faster than our ability to absorb it. The focus needs to be energy, all else flows from that, unlimited energy, unlimited choices. If we spent what we piss away on god forsaken stink holes, we would be there by now. Not to mention, those stink holes will fix themselves.

I don't fear guys with box cutters, takes a little more than that for me to give anything to anyone.

Get rid of the parasites on the ass of this country, the fed, the banks and those jack booted thugs that pass for a government and we might stand a chance.

Until then "it's not a lie if you believe it". Your never going to solve anything that you refuse to be honest about.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:11 | 933062 solgundy
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 CIA agent Robert Baer’s NY Times Bestseller, “Sleeping with the Devil: How Washington Sold Our Soul for Saudi Crude.” I first discussed the book in an article for the Canadian Energy Viewpoint in September 2003. While the world has changed in the nearly eight years since I penned the below words, a great deal has stayed the same:
“It is rare that I come across a book that I absolutely cannot put down for more than five minutes. But after reading the inside cover of former CIA operative Robert Baer’s latest book, “Sleeping With the Devil: How Washington Sold Our Soul for Saudi Crude,” I was hooked.
Baer’s book contains many fascinating accounts of his experiences while gathering intelligence on the Muslim Brotherhood (commonly referred to as Al Queda by the Western press), as well as an insider’s guide to the true state of affairs in Saudi Arabia. (Many names and passages are covered in black ink courtesy of the CIA Publications Review Board.) More importantly, “Sleeping with the Devil” lays bare the likelihood of the overthrow of the House of Saud and what it means for Western economies. The below quote encapsulates several of the major topics covered in the book:
“If I had to pick a single day when the wheels started flying off Saudi Arabia, it would be November 29, 1995 when King Fahd suffered his near fatal stroke. It was clear to those close to him that he would never again rule Saudi Arabia. But since he was clinically alive, Crown Prince ‘Abdallah couldn’t take over.
Without a king, Saudi Arabia drifted in chaos. The proof was everywhere. Royal corruption turned to theft on a scale never scene in Saudi history. Government finances went into a free fall. Wahabi militants, all adherents of Osama bin Laden’s violent interpretation of Islam, were off the reservation. The government in Riyadh stopped any meaningful cooperation with Washington on terrorism. And Washington did what it always did when it came to Saudi Arabia—pretended nothing was wrong. It even used the opportunity of Fahd’s stroke to extort more money from the kingdom.”
-Page 169, “Sleeping with the Devil” Robert Baer, 2003

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:16 | 933080 Spalding_Smailes
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(Reuters) - U.S. arms manufacturers are capitalizing on fears of war with Iran to sell more weapons to Saudi Arabia and other nervous Gulf Arab neighbors of the Islamic republic.

U.S. plans unveiled this week to sell Saudi Arabia up to $60 billion in aircraft, helicopters and other arms could lead to the six Gulf Arab states spending as much as $100 billion in the next few years to overhaul their armed forces, analysts say.

European arms suppliers, less well established in the region, are likely to miss out on what promises to be a massive regional rearmament program, the analysts say.

Diplomats also say the United States is in talks with Saudi Arabia and the UAE over an air defense system involving Lockheed Martin Corp.

Smaller Gulf states Kuwait and Bahrain, which are worried about retaliatory strikes as they are home to U.S. bases, are likely to buy surface-to-air missiles such as Patriots, made by U.S. firm Raytheon, said analyst Theodore Karasik.


Flush with petrodollars, the six countries of the Gulf, which also include Qatar and Oman, have unveiled plans to modernize their small armed forces.

As they work on strategies to improve cooperation of their small armed forces a joint military buying strategy would make sense, analysts say.

In total the Gulf countries could spend as much as $100 billion of which 60 percent would be for air defense and air forces, 25 percent for ground forces and 15 percent for navies, said John Sfakianakis, chief economist at Saudi Banque Fransi.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:13 | 933069 Spalding_Smailes
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Who says the military is done backing " the Boss " ... ? Maybe they like " the work " ?

Or maybe the USA sent a text message, toss out the boss, o.k. ... then we will be forced to come pickup our military hardware. Put out some milk in cookies we will be by in a week or two.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:39 | 933155 william the bastard
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The Mubarak family's net worth ranges from $40 billion to $70 billion, by some estimates.



Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:47 | 933177 Spalding_Smailes
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They will have early elections and they will pick from 3,4 guys ... done. Mubarak will be forced to bring order soon before the election process starts.


Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:35 | 933312 downwiththebanks
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A couple hundred-thousand people sitting in the middle of Cairo may have something to say about this outcome.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:16 | 933079 NOTW777
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"Founded in the town of Ismailia in 1928 by a schoolteacher named Hassan al-Banna"


who knew it was so young

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:04 | 933226 nmewn
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They are very patient.

Their long held goals and strategies;

  • Networking and coordinating actions between likeminded Islamist organizations;
  • Avoiding open alliances with known terrorist organizations and individuals to maintain the appearance of “moderation”;
  • Infiltrating and taking over existing Muslim organizations to realign them towards the Muslim Brotherhood’s collective goals;
  • Using deception to mask the intended goals of Islamist actions, as long as it doesn’t conflict with shari’a law;
  • Avoiding social conflicts with Westerners locally, nationally or globally, that might damage the long-term ability to expand the Islamist powerbase in the West or provoke a lash back against Muslims;
  • Establishing financial networks to fund the work of conversion of the West, including the support of full-time administrators and workers;
  • Conducting surveillance, obtaining data, and establishing collection and data storage capabilities;
  • Putting into place a watchdog system for monitoring Western media to warn Muslims of “international plots fomented against them”;
  • Cultivating an Islamist intellectual community, including the establishment of think-tanks and advocacy groups, and publishing “academic” studies, to legitimize Islamist positions and to chronicle the history of Islamist movements;
  • Developing a comprehensive 100-year plan to advance Islamist ideology throughout the world;
  • Balancing international objectives with local flexibility;
  • Building extensive social networks of schools, hospitals and charitable organizations dedicated to Islamist ideals so that contact with the movement for Muslims in the West is constant;
  • Involving ideologically committed Muslims in democratically-elected institutions on all levels in the West, including government, NGOs, private organizations and labor unions;
  • Instrumentally using existing Western institutions until they can be converted and put into service of Islam;
  • Drafting Islamic constitutions, laws and policies for eventual implementation;
  • Avoiding conflict within the Islamist movements on all levels, including the development of processes for conflict resolution;
  • Instituting alliances with Western >>>“progressive”<<< organizations that share similar goals; >>><<< for GW ;-) 
  • Creating autonomous “security forces” to protect Muslims in the West;
  • Inflaming violence and keeping Muslims living in the West “in a jihad frame of mind”;
  • Supporting jihad movements across the Muslim world through preaching, propaganda, personnel, funding, and technical and operational support;
  • Making the Palestinian cause a global wedge issue for Muslims;
  • Adopting the total liberation of Palestine from Israel and the creation of an Islamic state as a keystone in the plan for global Islamic domination;
  • Instigating a constant campaign to incite hatred by Muslims against Jews and rejecting any discussions of conciliation or coexistence with them;
  • Actively creating jihad terror cells within Palestine;
  • Linking the terrorist activities in Palestine with the global terror movement;
  • Collecting sufficient funds to indefinitely perpetuate and support jihad around the world;

The muslim holds that one who follows Muhammad is not held to account for lying to an infidel (this is called Al-Taqiyya) infidel, meaning one who is not a believer in Islam and the prophet Muhammad.

From this starting point, all else the west holds truth in high regard and when one is caught lying in the west they are pilloried.

Or in my case...junked...but it is the truth ;-)

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 00:55 | 933841 jfreon
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An organization that can accomplish all alleged is truly worthy of Pp respect and inclusion; especially for their humanitarian values.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 06:10 | 934048 Shylockracy
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Typical Zionist troll seeding discord and hatred through defamation and disinfo in the service of self-aggrandizement and theft.

I'm not given to Schadenfreude, so out of charity, I can only hope you will appreciate your commeuppance.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 07:03 | 934073 nmewn
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Typical intellectually lazy leftist moonbat response.

Nothing is put forward to refute what I say because you can't. You can't refute the age old practice of lying to infidels. You can't refute the age old practice of covering for another "brother" by lying or by remaining silent.

I don't even need to get into sharia law do I? Where people like snowy (where we mostly disagree) & people like Missy & Doc Sandi (where we sometimes disagree) don't get equal treatment under that law, just because I am a man.

You are completey useful idiot.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 08:10 | 934126 Shylockracy
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Leftist, eh? This is just as funny as you trying to scare the children with incantations of evil sharia law.

What the Egyptians, the Arabs in general or any free people choose as Law is their own fucking business. And if Zionist propagandists like you, or filthy imperialists like the US, UK or Israel feel butthurt, so be it.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 19:22 | 936390 nmewn
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"What the Egyptians, the Arabs in general or any free people choose as Law is their own fucking business."

Until I'm forced to pay the Jizya or convert to Islam to avoid it...the other alternative is you are executed.

You really don't have a clue about sharia law do you?

Like I said, you're a useful idiot...but don't lose your head over it ;-)

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:21 | 933083 gwar5
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Don't underestimate the Muslim Brotherhood. They are organized, everwhere, including the USA, and they have access to the White House by the usual commie cronies and our very own domestic terrorist -- Bill Ayers, et al.

MB were weaponized and organized in the 1930's by Hitler's Nazi's. They want sharia law, are anti-modernity, and via the Germans use virulent anti-Semitism as a recruiting tool --- it's actually only a recent hatred, not ancient. They are Al-Qaeda with Anaconda-like patience in killing their enemies. We are on the menu.

American Thinker: Why We Should Fear the Moslem Brother

Fear the Muslim Brotherhood - Andrew C. McCarthy - National Review Online

American Thinker: We are Witnessing the Collapse of the Middle East

» Did Muslim Brotherhood Learn ‘Day of Rage’ Egypt Protest Tactics From Obama Allies Bill Ayers and Code Pink? - Big Government






Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:44 | 933152 downwiththebanks
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So ... since alCIAda is a patsy/front/franchise of Uncle Sam's Black Operators, ought not we conclude that the Brotherhood is, too?

Say they do take power:  what the hell do you care?

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:17 | 933259 nmewn
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As Spalding points out above...some of "our" dollars will be "repatriated" because of the MB.

Can't say if it's good or bad at a theological level...but it is a quest for survival & dominance on all sides at this one.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:49 | 933182 atomicwasted
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Lol, those are some great unbiased sources!  Please try again if you wish to make your point with facts.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:05 | 933225 Cow
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you're right.  All the unbiased sources are over at  MSNBS, Daily Kos, DU, and Huffington Post.

Sat, 02/05/2011 - 17:55 | 937907 Bicycle Repairman
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"Don't underestimate the Muslim Brotherhood. They are organized, everwhere, including the USA"

Jeez, now I'm gonna have to check under my bed.


Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:19 | 933085 Sad Sufi
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Thanks for this Tyler.  This keeps things sane, not FOX fear mongering.

Watching Al Jazeera, for 10's of hours lately, the broad range of experts interviewed about the society and history of Egypt, and the character of the movement support the analysis above.

I heard on NPR today by an analyst: The MB is an example not unlike Martin Luther King using the Christian faith as a moral, mutual, cultural reference to support thinking and action to take society in a positive direction against oppression.  That's what the world religions do on a good day: they support moral action.

This may be Obama's chance to do something right, for a change.  Let's watch and pray for the best.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:25 | 933114 Alienated Serf
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ok, kind of off topic, but i was listening to NPR today, and they are blabbing about egpyt.  so some guy starts saying "everyone talks about religion, freedom of expression and other political based issues for fueling the crisis, but a large factor that doesn't get to much discussion is about food price."  so of course i got all excited, yes! finally, the MSM is starting to get it!  slam ben!! lets hear it!!  and then...

"these high food prices and the resulting chaos could really be caused by CLIMATE CHANGE"  and then the moron went on about fires and drought in russia and climate change will cause revolutions!!

STFU!!! not one word about monetary policy!!!

and correct me if i am wrong, but isn;t more of the earth going to be arable if climate change happens?!?!



Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:32 | 933130 Cocomaan
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Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:31 | 933131 Cocomaan
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NPR has some redeeming qualities, but you will never, ever hear them criticize The Bernank.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:15 | 933256 Freddie
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All news media is total shit but NPR is a joke.  Egypt is a smokescreen covering up The Ben Bernank destroying the dollar and America and ObamaCare being declared unConstitutional.   Anderson Cooper and non-Christian Amanpor pretending they got beaten up is real news.  ZH is filled with a lot of Obama leftards.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 01:07 | 933861 Alienated Serf
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come on, AC is cute  ;-)

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:30 | 933295 nmewn
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"NPR has some redeeming qualities, but you will never, ever hear them criticize The Bernank."

They certainly didn't waste anytime criticizing and firing Jaun Williams.

And about that new civility thingy and "teabaggers" being raaaycist...LOL.

The voice of progressives ;-)

Put em back in the fields!...string em up!...kill the bastards!


Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:21 | 933098 serotonindumptruck
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Reads like a White paper. Some of this analysis/data was probably classified at some point in the past. 

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:24 | 933108 ZackAttack
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The more I read about the way the Egyptian people have been treated over the last 60 years, frankly, killing every last mf in power, killing their families, burning down their houses and sowing the earth with salt looks like a pretty restrained response.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:38 | 933153 downwiththebanks
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Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:40 | 933163 MiddleMeThis
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Can I get a Hallelujah?  OMG, has anyone seen Glen "I'm smokin crack" Beck's report from earlier this week?

Here's a video clip:

And here is the full synopsis from The Guardian:

Have your vomit bag in hand...

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:53 | 933196 Alienated Serf
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great comment- The trouble in Egypt is just the start of a campaign by camels to take over the world. I saw them yesterday, the evil, evil camels.....

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:54 | 933198 william the bastard
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MuBarak Hussien Obama. Thas a fat target for ole Rev Jeremy er Glen thar Hallajujah Allah Akabar




Fri, 02/04/2011 - 01:01 | 933851 Cathartes Aura
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that people actually take this clown seriously is the sad part. . . from the comments:

  • charlesguardian

    3 February 2011 11:46PM

    I am American and live in California. Before Murdoch, these people were only to be found in the fringe AM radio stations. With Murdoch taking over Fox and transforming Fox News into fictional news, these AM Radio loonies became prime time material. Fox has every right to do so- for our courts have ruled that the news does not have to be grounded in reality even if they know what they say is false but present it as news. Unfortunately, increasing number of Americans take this fictional news as fact. And other mainstream news outlets, motivated by profit, are trying to emulate Fox's success. As a result starting future wars of preemption by the US may become easier than Iraq was. I wish Murdoch never came to the US.

    You might think this is all just funny, but remember that the rot set in in America when Reagan allowed news programs to be classified as 'entertainment', and gave up the effort to be fair-minded.


4 February 2011 12:36AM

You might think this is all just funny, but remember that the rot set in in America when Reagan allowed news programs to be classified as 'entertainment', and gave up the effort to be fair-minded

amrka, entertained to death.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 10:39 | 934600 tarsubil
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Yikes. That's why you stick with the original. Rush blames the Fed and inflation. He probably posts on ZH.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:05 | 933227 william the bastard
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Travelers in the Sahara drink camel urine for survival.

Narrated Anas:Some people from the tribe of 'Ukl came to the Prophet and embraced Islam. The climate of Medina did not suit them, so the Prophet ordered them to go to the (herd of milch) camels of charity and to drink, their milk and urine (as a medicine).

Sahih Bukhari 8:82:794
Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:15 | 933253 serotonindumptruck
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If offered the choice between drinking camel urine or being forced to eat one of those big chunks of lung-butter that those particular animals like to spit at people, I'll take the urine.

Not that I'd enjoy the experience either way. Just sayin'.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:43 | 933330 ZerOhead
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Depends on the price... however the urine should be cheaper.

Even a cup of catshit coffee can set you back quite a bundle you know...

In November 2006 Herveys Range Heritage Tea Rooms, a small cafe in the hills outside Townsville in Queensland, Australia, put kopi luwak coffee on its menu at AUD50.00 (US $46.00) a cup, selling about seven cups a week, which gained nationwide Australian and international press.[8] In April 2008 the brasserie at Peter Jones department store in London's Sloane Square began selling a blend of kopi luwak and Blue Mountain called Caffe Raro for £50 (US $79.00) a cup.[9] Pecks in downtown Milan sells a small espresso cup for 8 euros.


Personally I don't think that a 7th century A.D. desert survival trick should cost more than $20 bucks today... you?


Fri, 02/04/2011 - 00:24 | 933586 serotonindumptruck
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I must admit, I'm inclined to research the medicinal value of camel urine. I suspect that it would contain a high sodium content, which could conceivably be a cure for cholera and/or dysentery, however until I am conditionally obligated to attempt such a cure, I'll have to pass.

Is that heresy?

Can I get a Fatwa?!?

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:09 | 933242 Atomizer
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Tyler.. Stratfor report has been changing their tune the last 10 days. If fact, they have moved onto Mexico as of this evening. Do you remember my Stratfor meltdown on your site sometime back? 

Keep your eyes on this, rather than their propaganda.

Click on attacks tab.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:27 | 933280 Big Ben
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When a government collapses, it is often the best organized opposition group which eventually comes to power, not necessarily the most popular one. For example, the Bolsheviks were not the most popular political group in Russia, but they had a dedicated (even fanatical) rank and file. Having a charismatic (and ruthless) leader like Lenin also helped.

And if we consider the successful revolutions of the 20th century, lots of them seemed to involve a charismatic but ruthless leader. Consider Ataturk in Turkey, Lenin in Russia, Hitler in Germany, Mao in China, Castro in Cuba, Nasser in Egypt, Khomeini in Iran, and so on. I don't see such an opposition leader in Egypt today. Perhaps some young Egyptian is at this moment watching events unfold in Egypt and is starting to work on the outlines of his revolutionary manifesto. But it would probably be years before he would be in a position to actually lead a successful revolution.


Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:34 | 933309 Caviar Emptor
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The peace treaty with Israel is not what's really spooking them. THe real threat is the beginning of the end of Pax Americana , the end of neo-colonialist control and accords especially in the Middle East. 

Oil is the name of the game. Policies affecting price, amount delivered and to whom are all handled by US-friendly governments, most of which happen to be dictatorships or divine monarchies. 

There's good reason to be concerned because the slightest shift in oil policy will affect the US considerably. That's because we currently have the cheapest gasoline prices in the Western world. And new governments are likely to make new demands in the name of their national wealth. And no matter how much domestic drilling we do we won't be able to reverse declining US oil production which reached its peak in 1970, only slow it perhaps but if demand is not reduced it won't help. 

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:02 | 933414 downwiththebanks
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And new governments are likely to make new demands in the name of their national wealth.

Or simply because of the insistence from a population that has more than earned the right to speak.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:19 | 933462 samsara
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"Oil is the name of the game. Policies affecting price, amount delivered and to whom are all handled by US-friendly governments, most of which happen to be dictatorships or divine monarchies. "

Yes, and this ain't 1953 and I wouldn't expect a new "Shah" type guy "Installed".   Lets see if they can pull it off one more time with info like this forum and the whole internet saying "The emperor has no cloths".

I think the development of spontaneous communication solutions springing up since Egypt's net closure is quite promising.

Remember everything is plastic, nothing is in stone.  Too many variables to control them all.  


Fri, 02/04/2011 - 01:15 | 933872 Alienated Serf
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yup, if our oil puppets fall, things are going to change very quick.  i fully expect total mobilization and full scale war to secure the oil fields.  and hmm, wouldn't israel make a nice beachhead to launch from.  

Sat, 02/05/2011 - 18:01 | 937916 Bicycle Repairman
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"we currently have the cheapest gasoline prices in the Western world." Simply because we have the lowest gasoline taxes in the western world.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:46 | 933354 benb
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“If indeed as Credit Suisse speculated gold's move was predicated by concerns that the Muslim Brotherhood may end the peace treaty with Israel…” The statement strikes me as nothing more than a Credit Suisse infomercial for the Globalist Game now firing up in the ME.

In reference to the Muslim Brotherhood- “Founded in the town of Ismailia in 1928 by a schoolteacher named Hassan al-Banna, the MB was the world’s first organized Islamist movement…” Organized by whom? The guys I rely on for analysis like historian Webster Tarpley state that the Muslim Brotherhood was founded by British Intelligence (IIRC in 1926) I don’t do Wiki-pedia.

This Eqypt/Middle East flair up is a NWO exacerbated, manipulated, if not orchestrated event. And by some accounts has been in the planning/preparation for the past three years. I’m not drinking the Kool-Aide.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:58 | 933399 downwiththebanks
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Agree on MB & Tarp.

On the other hand, I think you're mad to think this is some sort of planned event.

In circumstances like this, the rulers rarely understand or account for the popular awakening now taking hold.  It's like saying the NWO (whatever the hell that is) wanted Chavez to rise.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:57 | 933572 robobbob
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If this document is for real, the US branch of the NWO has been working on this for years. At the very least positioning themselves.



Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:02 | 933574 benb
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"On the other hand, I think you're mad to think this is some sort of planned event.”

I stated  – “exacerbated, manipulated, if not orchestrated event.” And as I understand the situation, this is the case. Three months ago I listened to Lindsey Williams repeat in an interview information given to him by Ken Fromm, former C.O.O. of ARCO stating that the Globalist plan was to have a diversionary ruckus of some sort in the Middle East and that oil would be going to $150-200 per bbl. Williams said he checked with another of his contacts (A former CEO of a major Oil Company)  who repeated the same scenario. Looks like that is what’s going down. We’ll have to see. One purpose for this is to further weaken the U.S. economy and render citizens less able to resist the takeover.

Then I hear so many naïve comments like this one from above-

When a government collapses, it is often the best organized opposition group which eventually comes to power, not necessarily the most popular one. For example, the Bolsheviks were not the most popular political group in Russia, but they had a dedicated (even fanatical) rank and file. Having a charismatic (and ruthless) leader like Lenin also helped.”

What is unsaid here is that Lenin went back into Russia with 30,000 ‘supporters’ from Brooklyn N.Y. and a trainload of Gold all courtesy of Our Banker/Industrialist friends, (NWO)  in New York and London. It was a set up deal. Just as was Ford and GM building  tank and armored vehicle/ armament  factories in the USSR in the 1950s at the height of the ‘Cold War.’ It was all bullshit being run out of the Pentagon… Mao was put in by the CIA. It’s all busy work, divide and conquer, Theater!

Here’s what one insider had to say some time ago-

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, it was planned that way." ~Franklin D. Roosevelt, 32nd President of the United States

Take the statement literally and you’ll be right almost every time.




Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:05 | 933421 nmewn
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"The guys I rely on for analysis like historian Webster Tarpley..."


Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:04 | 933593 benb
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Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:19 | 933636 nmewn
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Same guy.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 03:32 | 934002 benb
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If you disagree with anything I’ve said perhaps you could state your argument, voice your disagreement instead taking cheap shots. Not an unreasonable request.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 07:05 | 934075 nmewn
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Like I said...geopol and Tarpley are one and the same.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 01:17 | 933875 Alienated Serf
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yes its geopol.  he doesn't come round here no more.  he's a little fixated on the UK royals..

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 22:21 | 933471 ArrestBobRubin
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Tyler, this dreck is to history as gmo is to real food. "Special Report"??? For who, monkeys?

Check it out (uh, not at Stratfor) and you'll be embarrassed to learn the early history of the MB and how it was effectively the al-CIAda of its time. Deep connections to British Intel and wacky but deadly serious freemason schemers who used it to further their designs on the ME and its oil resources.

The lack of democracy and development in the ME isn't a character flaw of its peoples, nor a hallmark of Islam. By the way, is that not some serious anti-Gentilism right there? It's increasingly disturbing to see which prejudices are openly encouraged and voiced, and which are verboten now. In fact, the historical lack of Constitutional Republics in the ME since the Ottomans lost control after WW1 is a sad legacy of having their national destinies seriously fucked with by powerful outside forces. A destablized region full of western puppet tyrants and purposely inflammed ethnic and religious infighting is so much easier to dominate and exploit for its oil, geographic position, and geopolitical importance.

Debka and Stratfor have long been known as just a couple more poorly disguised hasbara portals. I guess neocons think they're the tits as they always tell 'em just what it is those fine human beings want to hear. The rest of you- - are you fuckin nuts?

Hasbara refers to the propaganda efforts to sell Israel, justify its actions, and defend it in world opinion. Using contemporary euphemisms, it is Public diplomacy for Israel, or using a pejorative interpretation, then it is apologia. Israel portrays itself as fighting on two fronts: the Palestinians and world opinion. The latter is dealt with hasbara. The premise of hasbara is that Israel's problems are a matter of better propaganda, and not one of an underlying unjust situation.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:18 | 933631 nmewn
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"The lack of democracy and development in the ME isn't a character flaw of its peoples, nor a hallmark of Islam."

History says otherwise.

Democracy has never...ever...been an Arab trait of governance and Islam (or any theocracy) does not lend itself to it.

Where the hell do you get Allah "says" into the law and still have a democracy or a republic for all who reside there?

I'm serious...explain this to me...I'll be back tomorrow morning so you can have time to think about it.

And no "Al-Taqiyya" comrade.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 01:01 | 933852 Uncle Remus
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Where the hell do you get Allah "says" into the law and still have a democracy or a republic for all who reside there?

If I may, probably the same place as "In God We Trust" on currency, "So Help Me God" after oaths of public service or sworn service, typically on a Book of Scripture , "One Nation Under God" in the national Pledge of Allegiance, the Ten Commandments prominently placed around court houses and the incessant attempts to legislate morality based on the perceived majority of a certain branch of a monotheistic Abrahamic religion.

Last I looked, America was well on its to being a full-on RINO - Republic In Name Only. Eerily similar to all those workers paradises of the not so distant past. You remember them of course, The Peoples Republic of This, The Peoples Republic of That, The Union of Someones Socialist Republic.

America - people without sin living in glass houses. Ruled by a naked man.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 07:53 | 934112 nmewn
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Just between you and me...LOL...I quit saying the pledge of allegiance in the fourth grade...I would stand, place my hand over my heart, but I wouldn't say the words...I would just stare blankly at the flag...used to piss the teachers off royally.

I had a problem with the indivisible part, because it imparts something to the oath that I couldn't guarantee to give at a later date.

With all that we now know...I would say the teachers were wrong & the young student was right ;-)

My loyalty remains with the people and with the principles spelled out originally.

Morality get's time consuming...more than I got now. Be back after work to discuss with ya if you like because it does interest me a great deal...just give me a bump on this post to let me know.


Fri, 02/04/2011 - 01:28 | 933892 MSimon
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"To me it seems certain that the fatalistic teachings of Muhammad and the utter degradation of women is the outstanding cause for the arrested development of the Arab. He is exactly as he was around the year 700, while we have kept on developing"
-- General George S. Patton: The War as I Knew it


As to GMO - if you have been eating any corn from anywehere in the world it is all GMO. 3,000 or 5,000 years of GM. Cows - the same.


Which is why you are a hamster. GMO will do that to you. Not to worry - you will be turned back into corn and will power some vehicle down the road for a few miles. Unless the GMO ethanol ruins the engine. A very serious worry.


And avoid having children. They are definitely GMO. But the GM is done at random. Very dangerous.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 00:59 | 933847 pods
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Wow, that is a real expose.  They seemed to forget the part about MI6 and the CIA involvement though.  The MB has been a tool of ours for decades.


Fri, 02/04/2011 - 01:01 | 933850 Uncle Remus
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Wrong spot.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 01:27 | 933887 Alienated Serf
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thats what she said

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 01:36 | 933899 Uncle Remus
Fri, 02/04/2011 - 01:40 | 933906 Alienated Serf
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since i am off topic, as usual, thought i would mention i went to the bretton woods "gold room" where IMF accords were signed.  i was expecting some evil spirits and cold chills, but it was pretty banal.  small room.  i still have time before I leave NH for my bretton woods collapse prophecy to come true...

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 01:46 | 933911 Uncle Remus
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evil spirits

They have been leased out, with the gold.

Sat, 02/05/2011 - 18:02 | 937919 Bicycle Repairman
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Who funds the Muslim Brotherhood?

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 00:24 | 939880 Templar X
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Obama is no more in control of the Islamic Revolution taking place in Egypt than Jimmy Carter was when the Shah was overthrown by the Islamic Revolution in Iran. The Shah was our U.S. installed puppet dictator in Iran, just as Mubarak is our puppet dictator in Egypt. The people in the Middle East do not want democracy, but they do want to be free from American imposed secular dictatorship. They prefer Islamic dictatorship! Even Israel is not a democracy, based upon how they mistreat the Arab portion of their population (second class, at best).
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