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As Egypt Decides Whether To Allow Iran Warships To Pass Suez, Here Is An Update Of US Naval Deployments

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While last week the focus of US naval deployment in the Middle East emphasized securing the Suez Canal in the midst of the Egyptian revolution, this week the developing story is the passage of two Iranian warships through this very canal. Not surprisingly, two US naval groups - an aircraft carrier and a big-deck amphibious warfare ship - are now situated at either end of the Red Sea, where the Iranian flotilla is supposedly located. Will the US presence be enough to prevent escalation? Since we believe that Iran has few alternatives to pulling a "wag the dog" scenario with increasing domestic protests, and an increasingly more troubled ruling class, perhaps the increased US presence in the area is geared more toward dissuading a preemptive engagement by Israel. Regardless, expect posturing to increase as Iran is now stuck in a position from which it can only lose face if it does not at least pursue the symbolic passage of the Suez canal. What happens after is unclear.

And here is the formal passage request received by Egypt:

The Egyptian government has received a request from Iran to allow two of
its navy ships to pass through the Suez Canal, according to media
reports Thursday. "We received a request this afternoon for two Iranian
warships to pass through the Suez Canal. We have not yet approved it,
"
Hossam Zaki, a Foreign Ministry spokesman told the Wall Street Journal.
The decision to permit passage to the ships will be made by the military
which currently runs the country in the wake of President Hosni
Mubarak's resignation last week, the reports said. Israel has condemned
Iran's plan to deploy warships to Syria as a "serious provocation.

 


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Thu, 02/17/2011 - 17:53 | Link to Comment Caveman93
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Gulf of Tonkin...Dos. 

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 17:56 | Link to Comment covert
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iran is trying to conquor the mid east and is likely to succeed. if so, the king is toast.

http://covert2.wordpress.com

 

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 18:14 | Link to Comment Cleanclog
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King Abdullah House of Saud?  What will the US do if Iran goes after Saudi Arabia?  That is the even bigger Q than defending Israel.  Israel will be looking at nuclear option if that SA starts to get fired up.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 19:07 | Link to Comment Quantum Nucleonics
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Saudia Arabia has a quite formidable military.  It has one of the best air forces in the world.  Certainly no cake walk for Iran.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 19:25 | Link to Comment spongeBOB
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"It has one of the best air forces in the world. "

Not really and thier army is not that great either but in a war against Iran, most of the Gulf and Arab states will be involved, not to  mention the US.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 19:28 | Link to Comment andybev01
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...and viola!, no more economic crisis as attention shifts to global destruction.

A favorite: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-8j8c7iL3E

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 19:38 | Link to Comment spongeBOB
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war is good for the economy. More green shoots.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 20:43 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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Funny. You are warped. You know that? Right?

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 20:53 | Link to Comment Pure Evil
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With crimson as the compost.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 22:14 | Link to Comment downwiththebanks
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+1 

Blood makes the grass grow.

Kill

Kill

Kill

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 01:43 | Link to Comment Broken_Trades
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Tyler,

 

I work in Libya - Was there when Tunisa went over, left just as Egypt started.  Was wondering when I was going to hear this on the news:

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/16/us-libya-rioting-benghazi-idUS...

 

Big Riots in Benghazi and 4 other cities today. Gunshots fired in Benghazi - Its the second biggest city in Libya.  When I drove through there about 2 months ago, there was an endless sea of construction where brand new apartments were being constructed.  Anyone can move in - Socialist paradise.  You can buy a brand new Hyundai Tucson there for 12,000 LYD for about 9000 USD.  Ghedaffi as far as I knew was keeping lots of people with money in their pockets.

Someone do an analysis on Libya please.  Need to know if I will still have a job next month :-)

 

 

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 20:26 | Link to Comment gmrpeabody
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"It has one of the best air forces in the world."

So did the Shaw of Iran.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 08:05 | Link to Comment ArrestBobRubin
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Sherman can tell you it's spelled Shah.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 18:51 | Link to Comment kaiten
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of course iran will succeed in conquering the middle-east, but with such a help it´s no brainer

let´s sum it up:

- first, Bush handed them over Iraq, and now

- Ben is handing them over the whole middle-east

no-brainer, really

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 19:32 | Link to Comment spongeBOB
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+1

Iraq was considered the last line of defense against the Iranian revolution.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 20:56 | Link to Comment Pure Evil
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Well, if I remember correctly, the Nazis bit off more than they could chew when they conquered Western Europe, tried for North Africa, and then imploded in the Soviet Union.

My guess is, with dissent running rampant in Iran, the Iranian Mullahs have their hands full without trying to take over the Middle East.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 01:05 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Pure, I think "with manufactured dissent running rampant in Iran" would have been closer to the mark.

Nothing spontaneous about what is going on in the ME.

Just a massive planned de-stabilization scenario coming to a head.

And something big has to "give" to channel so much energy. I doubt Hosni's departure of a despot here or there gone will be enough.

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/02/16/truth-about-america-truth-about-us/

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 01:47 | Link to Comment Djirk
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Who has their hands full? Iraq, Afghanistan......

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 01:51 | Link to Comment Djirk
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Who has their hands full? Iraq, Afghanistan......

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 22:36 | Link to Comment Japhy Ryder
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You people need to see the bigger picture.

This is about the poor Shi'ite people repressed by the rich Sunni, which maybe finally ending.

Iran is THE Shi'ite led Country.  Iraq just became one.  Lebanon is becoming one.  Saudi Arabia, with a Shi'ite majority will soon have an uprising.

USA loves Sunni's because we paid them all off.

Make no mistake, this is the overdue Shi'ite uprising. 

 

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 22:53 | Link to Comment Stuart
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who is more repressive towards women, Sunni or Shi'ite?  

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 22:57 | Link to Comment downwiththebanks
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White Capital.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 18:31 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Reischtag, Pearl Harbour, Ton 'Kin, WTC ('93), Murrow Building, WTC ('01), Shoe Bomber, London 7/7, Underwear bomber, CIA building....

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 18:37 | Link to Comment Harmonious_Diss...
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+1

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 18:59 | Link to Comment ZakuKommander
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Remember . . . the Maine.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 19:12 | Link to Comment Careless Whisper
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naval deployments? pfffftt. better to keep track of google deployments.

 

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 19:34 | Link to Comment frippy
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Solid list and I must add Operation Northwoods and The Tuskegee Experiment.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 20:37 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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"Failed":  Portland Christmas Tree, Times Square, and operation Northwoods

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 19:53 | Link to Comment TeamAmerica
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Pearl Harbor?   Except for the Reichstag your whole list is BS anyway...but Pearl Harbor, as if you think the Japanese just claimed that they bombed it?   And I suppose Hitler didn't really declare war on the USA either...

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 22:23 | Link to Comment downwiththebanks
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You're a liar and propagandist.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 19:14 | Link to Comment bankonzhongguo
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Strait of Hormuz is a vastly more fragile shipping corridor.  There's more than 500 Haiying/Sadsack/indigenous anti-ship missiles across the Iranian coast.  Why everyone gets their panties in a bunch on this 2 ship Love Boat deal is beyond me.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 21:00 | Link to Comment Pure Evil
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Maybe, just because, Saudi Arabia is building pipelines to the Red Sea?

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 23:05 | Link to Comment Lower Class Elite
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I rode an old steam destroyer through the Straits during Desert Storm. No CIWS, just Killer Cooks on .50 cals and two 18 year old Army grunts with Stingers. We had live missiles on the rails and pointed to starboard, ready to shoot. I just remember thinking how beautifully stark the Iranian coastline was and how utterly fucked we would be if anyones trigger finger twitched. No time to react, just watch the pretty white contrails arch towards your ship. Other than the free-floating mines, that was by far the sketchiest, scariest part of that whole deployment for me. I don't care how awesome your technology or weapons systems are, the Straits of Hormuz is a dangerous place. Of course, the Suez Canal is no place to get in a shootout either...

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 01:40 | Link to Comment Arthor Bearing
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What do you think the USS Abraham Lincoln is doing in Singapore? Left a hot area in the Middle East to go there too

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 17:31 | Link to Comment Carl Spackler
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Sailor rest and morale building?

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 17:53 | Link to Comment Harmonious_Diss...
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A nice escalation of wars in the middle east and a new season of Jersey Shore is just what the doctor ordered to deflect attention from the insane food price increases.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 17:58 | Link to Comment mynhair
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Egypt is waiting for that US check to clear, as referenced in an earlier thread.

It bounces, and Israel steps up to the plate.

I am so sick of the Mid-East, I would welcome a glass factory.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 18:09 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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You don't have a straw long enough to drink that milkshake. We need that milkshake.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 19:16 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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Yup. Cause drilling for oil is not fun when you are on chemo drugs. It's pretty physical stuff. Not something the wheelchair and walker brigade can handle well.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 17:58 | Link to Comment Bastiat
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Won't be a reaction: everyone in the m/e will be in a coma soon:

Rumours Honsi Mubarak may be in a coma

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/frail-honsi-mubarak-may-be-in-a-coma/story-e6frfku0-1226006677173#ixzz1EFw4tXT9

JEDDAH, Saudi Arabia, Feb. 17 (UPI) -- Former Tunisian President Zine el-Abidine Ben Ali suffered a stroke and was in a coma in a Saudi Arabian hospital, a French online journalist reported.

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2011/02/17/Ben-Ali-reportedly-in-coma-after-stroke/UPI-86441297956230/#ixzz1EFwA92td

 

 

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 19:19 | Link to Comment Dont Taze Me Bro
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That's crazy if it turns out to be true. You'd think with the billions they stole, they'd have better personal security.

If I was an ex-m/e dictator right now, I'd be extra cautious in taking any food or drinks from strangers. Heck, don't eat or drink anything that's not pre-packaged and bought from random stores.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 21:05 | Link to Comment serotonindumptruck
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You too can be a "food-taster" for one of the elite. Granted, the job may only pay about $20 an hour, but hey, the food is probably quite delicious, even if it is poisoned.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 19:35 | Link to Comment andybev01
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HA!

Reminds me of the mid-80's when a string of Soviet leaders succumbed to the 'flu'.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 21:10 | Link to Comment Pure Evil
Thu, 02/17/2011 - 22:31 | Link to Comment Bringin It
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Happens all the time.

Hours before Casey was scheduled to testify before Congress related to his knowledge of Iran-Contra, he was reported to have been rendered incapable of speech, and was later hospitalized.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 18:00 | Link to Comment gwar5
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We have a secret weapon, it's called Obama. He will charm them and promise not to pat down muslims.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 18:01 | Link to Comment mynhair
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Therein lies the problem.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 19:02 | Link to Comment Quantum Nucleonics
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Neville Chamberlain comes to mind... "peace in our time."

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 20:32 | Link to Comment gmrpeabody
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Rodney..."can't we all just get along?"

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 00:27 | Link to Comment Terminus C
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"Don't taze me bro..."

amidoinitrite?

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 21:11 | Link to Comment Pure Evil
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Well, hopefully he won't promise them the same hope and change we got.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 18:01 | Link to Comment Dabale arroz a ...
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Those who declare wars should be the first ones to go to the front line. Period.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 18:03 | Link to Comment mynhair
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Unfortunately, I only have 'buy' and 'sell' buttons....oh, front lines.

Too late, Iran just withdrew the request to transit.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 17:35 | Link to Comment Carl Spackler
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If you study history of civilizations and warfare, then you would see that during the history of earth more wars between homo sapiens were declared at the front line than not.

Only in the past 100-200 years has that changed.

 

 

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 18:01 | Link to Comment johnQpublic
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thats great ,it starts with an earthquake birds and snakes and aeroplanes

Ahmadinejad is not afraid....

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 18:06 | Link to Comment mynhair
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Imadinnerjerk is a pussy.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 22:36 | Link to Comment downwiththebanks
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And, compared to Avgidor Lieberman, Benjamin NetanYAHOO, and Ariel the Vegetable Sharon, he's a peacemaker and diplomat.

Down with Apartheid Israel!

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 18:06 | Link to Comment Bruno the Bear
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Looks like our (US) first nuclear powered aircraft carrier CVN 65 also known as the USS Enterprise is right in the middle of any potential "issues" that need fixing.

 

http://www.enterprise.navy.mil

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 21:12 | Link to Comment serotonindumptruck
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...CVN 65 also known as the USS Enterprise is right in the middle of any potential "issues" that need fixing.

I'm wondering what the condition of the Enterprise might be after taking a few broadside hits from SS-N-22 Moskit.

I'm thinking that what's left (after the reactors melt down) will still be sitting on the floor of the Mediterrainian Sea.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 17:39 | Link to Comment Carl Spackler
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The Enterprise doesn't need to park that close to the shores of Iran to effectively dump its payload and turn Iran into concrete dust piles and burning hovels.

Moreover, aircraft carriers are well defended by a flotilla and do not wander alone. 

It would be like buying up all of GE's public debt and not owning any credit derivatives to protect your backside.

 

 

 

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 18:05 | Link to Comment Lone Mad Minute...
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Cotton up!

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 18:07 | Link to Comment mynhair
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Cotton down limit tomorrow!

Big down on all commods tomorrow.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 19:57 | Link to Comment jomama
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the price manipulation is getting really predictable...

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 18:08 | Link to Comment drink or die
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How effective are our fleets exactly?

 

http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/strait_hormuz_incident_and_u_s_strategy

 

"The New York Times carried a story Jan. 12, clearly leaked to it by the Pentagon, giving some context for U.S. concerns. According to the story, the United States had carried out war games attempting to assess the consequences of a swarming attack by large numbers of speedboats carrying explosives and suicide crews. The results of the war games were devastating. In a game carried out in 2002, the U.S. Navy lost 16 major warships, including an aircraft carrier, cruisers and amphibious ships — all in attacks lasting 5-10 minutes. Fleet defenses were overwhelmed by large numbers of small, agile speedboats, some armed with rockets and other weapons, but we assume most operated as manned torpedoes. "

 

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 18:39 | Link to Comment cosmictrainwreck
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pesky-little-bastards-with-suicide-bombs, bitchez

I coulda told 'em....but would they listen? Didn't even ask me....

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 19:00 | Link to Comment Quantum Nucleonics
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Ehh, the article was leaked to encourage lawmakes to buy more stuff for the navy.  It wasn't the speedboats that did the damage.  If you read the leaked docs, you'll see that it was cruise missiles fired from shore and aircraft.  It shouldn't really be a surprising outcome - look at the Persian Gulf, it is a pond.  Prior to the first Gulf War, the Navy wouldn't take carriers into the gulf.  It's small size made air defense and reaction times too short.  If Iran and the US came to blows, you can assume Iran's shore based SSM batteries would get carpet bombed from the Arabian Sea.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 21:24 | Link to Comment serotonindumptruck
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I encourage you to educate yourself as to the anti-ship missile defences of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moskit

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/moskit.htm

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/moskit.htm

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 23:31 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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B2's and F117's bitchez.  

There really is no reason to suspect these batteries nor any significant part of Iran's command and control would survive the first day, nevermind their air force.   After that, the US owns the skies, from bases all around Iran.  Wargame that.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 20:02 | Link to Comment jonjon831983
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I would literally pay to see a CIWS Phalanx system (assuming it could be used in such a way) run dry cutting up waves of speed boats.  Hmm... someone needs to make a movie of that.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 21:29 | Link to Comment serotonindumptruck
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CIWS can handle small attack vessels, however the barrel(s) begin to melt after approximately 3 seconds of continuous firing.

CIWS can't stop Moskit.

CIWS is too slow. 

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 18:11 | Link to Comment Convolved Man
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Let's see, where should the exploded North Korean torpedo, which will be blamed for the impending sunken Iranian warship, be placed -- in the Red Sea, the Suez canal or the Mediterranean?

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 18:12 | Link to Comment mynhair
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Imadinnerjerk isn't going to do squat until he has an arsenal of nukes.  Get over it.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 18:37 | Link to Comment nonclaim
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Ahmadinejad is basically a troll, a loud mouth that prevents any negotiation from taking place.

That is his job.

As soon as one nuke is ready he'll be booted out by the same people that back him today.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 22:39 | Link to Comment downwiththebanks
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He came to power because Iran needed a voice willing to call Apartheid Israel out.

That he's a foolhardy zealot only makes war with the White European Squatter state to his west more likely.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 18:41 | Link to Comment Catullus
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The Ghettoprize will probably make a video about this too.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 18:42 | Link to Comment Psquared
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Iranian Flotilla? You are kidding right? (Is your tongue firmly in your cheek?)

The Iranian Navy (if you choose to call it that) has 2-3 destroyers, 2 frigates a couple of "Corvettes" and 9-10 submarines. Most of their "navy" consists of close to shore speedboats - the equivalent of our old PT boats but not as well equipped.

Of their 3 destroyers, 2 are 50 years old and 1 is 30 years old.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/ships.htm

The only danger is whether or not they run into each other, or run aground, when and if they pass through the Suez Canal.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 18:49 | Link to Comment Quantum Nucleonics
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Much ado about nothing, frankly.  Iranians are trying to show they have a big schlong, but they are just embarrassing themselves.  The two "warships" consist of one Vosper type small frigate built in the late 60's which lacks any modern air defenses or electronics.  It's only real armament is just four C-802 anti-ship missiles, and an unarmed replenishment ship - because the frigate doesn't have enough gas to make it the whole way to Syria.

It's interesting to note that one of Iran's four frigates of this type was sunk in 1998 by the US Navy.  The frigate fired its deck gun on an A-6 Intruder operating in the area.  Silly, since it had no chance of success.  The A-6's and a nearby destroyer ripple fired Harpoon anti-ship missiles and laser guided glide bombs, sinking it in short order.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 21:40 | Link to Comment serotonindumptruck
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The two "warships" consist of one Vosper type small frigate built in the late 60's which lacks any modern air defenses or electronics.  It's only real armament is just four C-802 anti-ship missiles...

You'd better hope that those Iranian boats haven't been retrofitted for SS-N-22 launch.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 19:04 | Link to Comment squexx
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I noticed Israel is (as usual) running it's mouth about it. And talking shit about "taking action." So why the hell does Israel decide who goes thru the Sewerz Canal? That "shitty little country" deserves to be destroyed!

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 19:24 | Link to Comment squexx
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Israel Warns It Might Act on Iranian Warships Passing Through Suez Canal February 16, 2011 FoxNews.com Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/02/16/israel-warns-act-iranian-warships-passing-suez-canal/#ixzz1EGHQD3k4
Thu, 02/17/2011 - 19:44 | Link to Comment spongeBOB
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Sewerz Canal?

Thats in Jersey !

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 20:42 | Link to Comment gmrpeabody
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Speak of the devil..

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 19:16 | Link to Comment 99er
Thu, 02/17/2011 - 19:22 | Link to Comment Weimar Ben Bernanke
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We need the return of a non intervionist military. I am sick and tired of us being the Globocop of the world. If Israel and Iran want to destroy  each other in a war. Then let it be so,but we should not choose no side. Weeks ago Mexican troops crossed the fuckin border again! Two ICE agents were killed in Mexico this week!! And we are wasting billions to "fight terroist there so we do not fight them here." The mideast is a cesspoll of endless violence,we should just leave that area and focus on our massive domestic problems. We have an open border,massive debt,growing governement etc.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 19:44 | Link to Comment frippy
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+1

Bring the boys home, so they can quickly get into their riot gear and pummel into submission 52 year old protesters in Wisconsin.

 

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 20:03 | Link to Comment Psquared
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My theory is that we keep so many troops stationed overseas so that if there is trouble here they will be there. The average military guy might fire once at civilians in the US, but not twice. We have the equivalent of the Republican Guard here at home who will do whatever they are told.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 20:14 | Link to Comment frippy
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Not a bad theory but we also have a lot of retired ex-military here. I don't see those guys going along with Uncle Sam's nonsense.

They be with the people.

 

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 20:47 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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but which people?  what colours do their team wear?  because it's pretty obvious "the people" are seriously divided, doubtful "the military" would be any different - except they are expected to act as ordered. . .

of course, we have the mercenary embeds to deal with too. . .

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 21:04 | Link to Comment Weimar Ben Bernanke
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The military is just as divided as the people. There will those who will follow orders,there will be those who will not. This kind of reminds me of a certain nation in the 90s. Oh yeah Yugoslavia. Those who dream of a patriotic revolutionof overthrowing the central government have delusions and illusions of grandeur. Most likely America will end up like Yugoslavia. The nation has  a lot of guns,hatred for each other (racially,economically,politically) and too large to control in the case of a nationwide emergency.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 17:50 | Link to Comment Carl Spackler
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Funny.  Our history has proven otherwise...just ask Abe Lincoln.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 19:45 | Link to Comment andybev01
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The middle easterners have been fighting it out for 4 thousand years or so, how much longer can it go on?

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 22:41 | Link to Comment downwiththebanks
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What a stupid, ahistorical comment.

White Capital has set records for killing, both in terms of volume and in efficiency, so don't play the 'civilized White guy' card. 

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 19:31 | Link to Comment Tucson Tom
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If the Israelis want to make a move on the supply ship that "may" contain munitions for the bad guys,our presence won`t matter.Ask a crewman from the USS Liberty.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 19:36 | Link to Comment spongeBOB
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Israel will not do sh*t.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 04:28 | Link to Comment AmCockerSpaniel
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Israel will sink both US and Iran ships and say it was just a mistake. The US will except Israels apolagy and offer the reimburse Israel for the ammo they spent doing it.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 19:46 | Link to Comment frippy
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If wars and rioting break out all over the ME, can we put blonde wigs on Turbo Timmah and Ben Shalom and send them over there to cover it as "White House Correspondents"?

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 19:40 | Link to Comment chubbar
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You can stop worrying about our southern border. Obama (started under Bush) has already indicated we are going to merge with Mexico and Canada. That's why the previous administrations haven't bothered enforcing our immigration laws.

Here's an excerpt from an article that details last months meeting with the Canadian Prime minister.

"...........“We also recognize that cooperation across air, land, and maritime domains, as well as in space and cyberspace, our enduring bi-national defence [sic] relationship, and military support for civilian authorities engaged in disaster response efforts and critical infrastructure protection, have all contributed significantly to the security of our populations,” it says, adding that increased information-sharing and working with all levels of government and the private sector is high on the agenda. Bringing in third countries — Mexico, perhaps? — and international institutions is part of the plan, too.

Essentially, the declaration commits the two governments to work together on everything from health, security, the economy, terror, fraud, and pandemic preparedness to countless other areas where the U.S. government does not even possess constitutional authority to act within the 50 states. Constitutional constraints are not mentioned at all in the document.

The so-called “Agreement Between the Government of Canada and the Government of the United States of America on Emergency Management Cooperation,” last updated in 2008, will apparently be “a cornerstone” of the efforts. While not mentioned by name, the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America, signed by the Bush regime with the governments of Canada and Mexico, bears striking similarities to the new deal.

Next, the document covers a new area: biometric tracking and identification of North American citizens. “We intend to work toward common technical standards for the collection, transmission, and matching of biometrics that enable the sharing of information on travellers [sic] in real time,” the agreement explains. The two regimes also “expect to work towards an integrated Canada-United States entry-exit system.”

In addition, the U.S. and Canadian governments will be looking to “integrate” their efforts and develop “joint facilities and programs” within and beyond the perimeter being erected around the two countries. “Harmonizing existing programs” is also part of the deal."..............

You may not believe it but these assholes are serious about flushing our constitution and sovereignty down the toilet. BTFD.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/world-mainmenu-26/north-america-mainmenu-36/6274-us-a-canada-agree-to-common-perimeter-biometric-tracking

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 19:48 | Link to Comment andybev01
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Burn The Fucking Democracy...?

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 19:52 | Link to Comment Weimar Ben Bernanke
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The thing is there are nationalist in all three nation who will stand for a "North American Union." First off it will fail because Europe has shown us that a union of nations with differeing cultures and history does not mix well. Second it will lead to wipespread revolt of they try to pull some dumb shit like this. All I can say if the Canadian,Mexican,and American military try to fuse into some "North American Legion," it wil lead to civil war in all three nations. These dumbasses will fail.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 21:16 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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The Canadian press referred to the agreement as the most significant change in U.S.-Canada relations since NAFTA. Several high-profile Canadian publications applauded the arrangement, while an assortment of others attacked it as a plot against Canadian sovereignty and values. The U.S. press, on the other hand, barely mentioned it. 

thanks for the link chubbar - I'd watched that SP&P activity a few years back, should have known that no news meant shit was going down in secret, as usual. . . recommend everyone read the linked article, as it is definitely a globalist agenda wish list.

oh canada, got FEMA?

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 00:41 | Link to Comment Terminus C
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FEMA will meet the Canadian boot with its face.  Like the Americans, Canadians own a lot of firearms and will not likely buy into this lightly.  We are quiet and unassuming until you piss us off.

 

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 19:50 | Link to Comment chump666
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and the market is trying to price in the risk by rallying...this reversal is gonna be so juicy.

c'mon China lets get that panic inflation trade going

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 20:03 | Link to Comment israhole
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The US has no interest there, other than for terrorist Israel's benefit.  DUMP ISRAEL and the world will have peace.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 20:47 | Link to Comment gmrpeabody
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Where do all these little Nazi boys come from?

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 20:58 | Link to Comment Zeilschip
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Yeah right, say something negative about Israel and you're a nazi.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 23:36 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Well let's see, he wants to see Israel wiped out.    Hard to know if he is a nationalist socialist from this post alone.      If he is nationalist, then for which nation?   

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 13:27 | Link to Comment Think for yourself
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Nice strawman, you dirty sophistic fucker. You just can't resist the urge to present Israel as the eternal universal victim, don't you? He never said Israel should be wiped out, he said it should be dumped - as in, stopping to support and/or aquiesce it. Without US support, the illegitimate state will collapse.

It would make me laugh if it wasn't so pathetic. Just like the myth that Ahmadinejad wants to see Israel wiped off the map (implying physically destroyed to many people), while the accurate translation of what he said is ""Imam [Khomeini] said: This regime that is occupying Qods [Jerusalem] must be eliminated from the pages of history."

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12790.htm

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 21:25 | Link to Comment thefatasswilly
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Anti-Israel automatically means Nazi, right?

Simpleton.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 22:41 | Link to Comment Japhy Ryder
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Let Iran get the bomb so the world can finally find out that Israel was the problem all along.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 22:44 | Link to Comment downwiththebanks
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The second Iran does anything militarily anywhere, Apartheid Israel will take out a nursing home in Gaza.

Just to show what badasses they are!

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 22:43 | Link to Comment downwiththebanks
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The USS Liberty

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 00:43 | Link to Comment Terminus C
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I see your USS Liberty and raise you three WTC buildings.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 20:03 | Link to Comment jonjon831983
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So how does 5th Fleet normally deploy during "peace time"?  Plugs both sides of the hole or just one side?

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 22:45 | Link to Comment downwiththebanks
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What is peace time?

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 23:37 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Periods between wars.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 13:44 | Link to Comment Think for yourself
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There are no periods between wars anymore. The US has been in a state of quasi-constant aggressive warfare ever since WWII. The Global War On Terror is the ultimate incarnation of an eternal war, being overbroad, without any specific enemy that can be beat, rather being targeted against an ideology which, by definition, cannot be killed.

An interesting corollary of this is that the U.S. military powers that be (and their global lapdog, NATO) now basically consider the whole of humanity to be constantly living in "the battlefield".

http://jurist.org/forum/2010/12/where-is-the-battlefield-in-the-war-on-terror-the-need-for-a-workable-framework.php

http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/06/29/elena-kagan-and-lindsey-graham-on-the-gwot-the-sequel/

Don't lie to yourself. We don't live in America anymore, we live under NORTHCOM (or EUCOM, PACOM or wherever else you might live).

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 23:35 | Link to Comment edotabin
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Bars, women..... you know....usual stuff :-)

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 20:12 | Link to Comment mynhair
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Imadinnerjerk is so stupid, he didn't press the issue.

Think it is cuz he is related to little Anthony Weiner, of NY.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 21:39 | Link to Comment savagegoose
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wowo CVN 65 just went thru suez last week, musta been a a hairy experience, can they do full flight deck ops while ina dinky canal?

 

guess zoned defense aint an option what with no room for escorts.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 23:19 | Link to Comment Lower Class Elite
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You don't really do shit when you transit the canal except stare at the poor bastards in the pillboxes scattered along the bank as they stare back at you. As I said in an earlier comment above, the Suez Canal is not a good place to get in a shootout no matter how badass your ship.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 21:38 | Link to Comment earnyermoney
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I believe American and Iranian sailors will salute each other with various hand gestures as the pass one another in the Red Sea.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 22:54 | Link to Comment Sizzurp
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Not sure what the Iranians are carrying on those boats, but I don't see any way in hell Israel is going to sit around watching them deliver arms to Hezbollah, Syria or whomever. Those boats will get turned around, or they will be swimming with the fishes.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 02:50 | Link to Comment gwar5
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The only naval deployment I care about right now is my own.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 04:24 | Link to Comment adeptish
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From Global Security. org

"At least 115 combat aircraft flew to Iran from Iraq during Desert Storm, out of the total of 137-149 aircraft flown to Iran or crashed enroute, including military transports and commerical airliners. According to an official Iraqi statement, the combat aircraft included 24 Mirage F-1s, 4 Su-20 Fitters, 40 Su-22 Fitters, 24 Su-24 Fencers, seven Su-25 Frogfoots, nine Mig-23 Floggers, and four Mig-29 Fulcrums."

 

get it...?

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 04:38 | Link to Comment adeptish
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this is the quintessential "f@ck you america"...

Saddam gave his airforce to an avowed enemy, the same mindset applies today...

and will be applied tomorrow.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 08:19 | Link to Comment ExpendableOne
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Those aircraft (and their poorly trained pilots) would be swept from the skies by the nearest Navy air wing.  Just because you have the hardware (and this list is pretty sketchy) does not mean you have the means to do much with it.  Pilots must be trained and allowed air time to be of any use.  Otherwise, you get to verify the ejection seats and provide training for the other side.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:39 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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Not to mention the costs of maintenance and upkeep.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 12:53 | Link to Comment adeptish
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It's the nuance of the act, something you clearly fail to grasp.

 

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