This page has been archived and commenting is disabled.

Egypt Revolution: Take 2

Tyler Durden's picture


Remember how happy the Egyptain population was to depose one dictator only to have him replaced with a ruling military junta, and how prosaic, not to mention cynical, our assumption was that the newly "democratic" country has three months before the country experiences another post-Thermiodrian revolution? Well, our estimate was three weeks off. As the video shows, Tahrir Square (remember it? the second black swan of 2011 after that whole Tunisia thing...) is once again the latest and greatest place to go, be seen, and occasionally, shot at.

And from Reuters, here's why Suez Canal concerns, so promptly put to bed, will likely reemerge within a month:

Egypt's ruling military council said on Saturday it would clear protesters from a central Cairo square with "firmness and force" to allow life to return to normal.

Speaking at a news conference, a senior military officer blamed trouble in Tahrir Square on "elements that backed the counter-revolution", a reference to people loyal to the administration of deposed President Hosni Mubarak.

At least they did not blame the snow. In the meantime inquiring minds want to know: just how many of the CIA boots on the ground currently in Libya were positioned there after "completing" their job in neighboring Egypt...

Some more from Al Jazeera:

Hundreds of protesters demanding that Hosni Mubarak, the former Egyptian president, be put on trial for alleged corruption, have retaken Cairo's iconic Tahrir Square, hours after security forces attempted to disperse them, in a clash that killed at least one person.

By 7am (local time) on Saturday morning, army and central security troops appeared to have withdrawn, leaving the square to protesters who set vehicles on fire and began setting up barricades made of furniture and left-behind barbed wire.

"The number of protesters remaining in the square is swelling, as news [of the clashes] spreads through the city," reported Mike Hanna, Al Jazeera's correspondent in Cairo.

Hundreds of army and security forces troops had stormed the square earlier, in an attempt to disperse the thousands of protesters.

In scenes reminiscent of the violent 18-day uprising that ousted longtime President Mubarak in February, protesters and riot police threw rocks at each other, and security forces responded by firing tear gas, witnesses said.

Egypt's health ministry said that one person was killed and 71 injured after those clashes. The military had earlier denied that anyone was hurt or killed in the raid of the square.

Groups of protesters rallying around the southeast corner of the square threw bottles and possibly petrol firebombs at riot police, Michelle May, a freelance journalist, told Al Jazeera.

One of the main roads running east from Tahrir Square towards Talaat Harb Square was virtually empty, and gunfire seemed to have subsided, a witness said.

The military in a statement released through the state MENA news agency, said that security forces were attempting to enforce a 2am to 5am (local time) curfew.

"Elements from the interior ministry along with some noble citizens confronted the riotous actions and enforced the curfew without any losses," the statement read. "The armed forces stress that they will not tolerate any acts of rioting or any act that harms the interest of the country and the people."

A separate statement carried on the military's Facebook page blamed "remnants" of Mubarak's National Democratic Party for the clashes, and ordered the arrest of four party members it accused of "thuggery" during the sit-in.

Guns fired, rocks thrown

Most of the protesters retreated after the army entered the square, witnesses said. Bassiouny ran to the west side of the square, which leads to Kasr el-Nil Bridge, and found more troops entering from that direction.

On the road leading east into the central business district around Talaat Harb Square, protesters tore down the roof of a bus stop and dragged it down the road to protect themselves from gunfire and rocks, said Drew Storey, a neighbourhood resident.

Protesters and army soldiers threw rocks at each other, and at least four injured protesters had to be carried away, he said. Soldiers fired their guns into metal shopfronts, sending sparks flying and bullets ricocheting, apparently to scare away the protesters, Storey said.

At one point, he said, security forces clad in riot gear chanted, cheered and shook each others' hands after driving the protesters away.

Other central security and army forces had been stationed to the north of Tahrir Square next to the Egyptian Museum, which military police have turned into a makeshift detention centre.

For those interested in what will likely be headline news again very soon, here is a live feed from Al Jazeera:


- advertisements -

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:49 | 1153591 Conrad Murray
Conrad Murray's picture


But don't worry folks. Everything heating up in the ME is all good. Gaza? Awesome. Yemen? What does that have to do with radical Islamic prophecy? It's ALL G.O.O.D.

I'll just leave this here:

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:58 | 1153609 Ahmeexnal
Ahmeexnal's picture

You can't eat "democracy".

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:58 | 1153725 Arkadaba
Arkadaba's picture

Troll alert for any newbies!

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 16:35 | 1153799 Moe Howard
Moe Howard's picture


Sun, 04/10/2011 - 02:08 | 1154523 Arkadaba
Arkadaba's picture

Holy smokes - the post I was replying to did get disappeared! 

Not towards you Ahmeexnal - was something posted by that McGoldDick person

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 06:40 | 1154630 BorisTheBlade
BorisTheBlade's picture

It happens every time post hits 50 junks threshold.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 19:47 | 1155980 Ahmeexnal
Ahmeexnal's picture


That's ok, I did read that troll's post. Matter of fact, I junked him too.


Sat, 04/09/2011 - 16:15 | 1153754 Hephasteus
Hephasteus's picture

Ya he should act like a legitimate power that be. Countefeit billions and bribe people to make nasty fucking microwave weapons for crowd control. Pay soldiers to muder anybody you want under your thumb and bribe stupid shitheads to build crappy technology and make stupid fuckig movies.

Have yahoo put out story after story after story about what the IRS won't allow while people say fuck you and don't pay taxe anyway.

Personally I think if someone were to hook everyone in every private college, middle school and high school on heroine and then get the kids to steal from their parents for the heroine it would be heroic karmic payback. I'd suggest a similar strategy for various other captured business realms but they appear to be on drugs already.

I know for a fact that professional internet trolls are definitely all a bunch of moronic tweakers.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 16:25 | 1153772 Arkadaba
Arkadaba's picture

Maybe you should get a new job because you are really bad at what you do.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 16:46 | 1153816 Zero Govt
Zero Govt's picture

libertarians have the most complete joined-up thinking in society

the alternative is the Tea Party who think replacing Big Govt with small govt is a 'solution' to the problem of Govt. Bring on the retards who never learn  

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 16:49 | 1153821 Rodent Freikorps
Rodent Freikorps's picture

Seems Big Government and Liberty are mutually exclusive.

At least that his the history lesson taught by Every. Single. Government. in the history of mankind.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 17:50 | 1153891 New_Meat
New_Meat's picture

u b replyin' to 1/(zero government)

don'tcha' know.

- Ned

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 20:00 | 1154038 Rodent Freikorps
Rodent Freikorps's picture

After a while, you gotta wonder what percentage of the posters here are nothing but paid whores of various propaganda machines.

Who is actually a real, honest human?

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 20:54 | 1154126 gall batter
gall batter's picture

am i a real, honest human if i answer that i'm a paid whore of various propaganda machines?

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 21:02 | 1154138 Rodent Freikorps
Rodent Freikorps's picture

Only if you are a hawt female, with verifiable pics and references.

Otherwise, you are just a disturbance in the phosphorous on my screen.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 21:04 | 1154142 akak
akak's picture


Is that Arabic?

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 21:35 | 1154193 Rodent Freikorps
Rodent Freikorps's picture

It is Internetian. Second Kingdom.

Google it.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 21:04 | 1154141 akak
akak's picture

am i a real, honest human if i answer that i'm a paid whore of various propaganda machines?

i suspect that you are merely t. s. elliot

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 02:28 | 1154538 jeff montanye
jeff montanye's picture


Sun, 04/10/2011 - 09:19 | 1154729 psychobilly
psychobilly's picture

Aside from the intentional sprinkling of a few pro-liberty buzzwords to gain your creds, you are one of the most relentless cheerleaders for the US government and big government in general on this site. It's not like the US military is some separate entity. It IS the government; the largest government bureaucracy and socialist make-work program on earth.

If you aren't getting paid for all of your idiotic, fear the latest bogeyman "war on terror" posts, then you should really look into it. You obviously have nothing better to do than to spend your days parroting pro-government propaganda on message boards.

"War is the health of the state."

- Randolph Bourne



Sun, 04/10/2011 - 10:42 | 1154808 AnAnonymous
AnAnonymous's picture

It's not like the US military is some separate entity. It IS the government; the largest government bureaucracy and socialist make-work program on earth.


Straightforward and real.  Yet the mass of posters in here prefer to ignore this simple fact. A big military is certainly not big government for them.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 13:53 | 1155235 Rodent Freikorps
Rodent Freikorps's picture

You wrong me. While I support soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines....and the brown water sailors of the coast guard...I guess, I would never ever defend the bureaucracy they have to toil under.

Other than the military, which Big Government program have I ever expressed any support for?

My history of opposing the creeping nanny state is not hard to find.

The military is a socialist make-work program?

Bitch, please.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 16:48 | 1153820 johnnynaps
johnnynaps's picture

Well, as long as all that adversely affects government, big bank and corporate revenues.....then he kind of is a patriot!

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 21:02 | 1154145 nkktwotwozero
nkktwotwozero's picture

1. Make it a JPM credit product.

2. And buy shit tons of silver.

3. Comex Default


Haulin' Ass Getting Paid  - That's What I'M Talking About! - 10,000K

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 21:20 | 1154173 msjimmied
msjimmied's picture

How many junks does a post have to accumulate before Tyler does his thing? I may not agree with everything Chumba says, but his tactics are commendable. Millions of home squatters and IPad buyers give him a two thumbs up. I wait with bated breath for the warrior to show up and smack this gnat into the dirt....

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 23:05 | 1154328 akak
akak's picture

It used to take only 20 "junks" to consign a post into oblivion (just ask Leo Kolivakis, he is quite familiar with the process), but now the number has been upped to either 50 or 51 --- but it still does happen.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 19:33 | 1154014 sun tzu
sun tzu's picture

This can't be true. I remember our very own George Washington writing a diatribe telling us how wonderful it was that Egypt had a full blown democracy that was envied by the West and didn't require any intervention from the bad ole imperialist YOU ESS of Ay

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 21:05 | 1154149 nkktwotwozero
nkktwotwozero's picture

Notice all this has happened AFTER Hillary landed her SUPERBIGASS on Egypt.


We seem to be experimenting some technological differences....

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 09:18 | 1154744 steve from virginia
steve from virginia's picture



Ha ha hahaha!

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:50 | 1153593 Arkadaba
Arkadaba's picture

Kudos to the people for not accepting "same as the old boss"

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:55 | 1153605 Bearster
Bearster's picture

While it is pleasant to assume they want freedom (i.e. the individual rights of life, liberty, and property), they don't.  What they want is altruism, mysticism, and collectivism enforced by a gun.

The new boss will be totally different from the old one: his name won't be Mubarek.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:01 | 1153615 Arkadaba
Arkadaba's picture

Curious - why do you say they want altruism, mysticism and collectivism? 

I have never been to Eygpt but it is on the list of places I want to visit - you know cradle of civilization and all that.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:01 | 1153621 Long-John-Silver
Long-John-Silver's picture

They are still mired in tribalism. You've never lived it so you can't understand it.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:03 | 1153625 Arkadaba
Arkadaba's picture

Did you live there? 

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:08 | 1153631 Long-John-Silver
Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:20 | 1153652 Arkadaba
Arkadaba's picture

Stationed there or actually lived there?

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:23 | 1153657 Long-John-Silver
Long-John-Silver's picture

If I told you what I did there I would be forced to hunt you down and kill you.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:28 | 1153669 Arkadaba
Arkadaba's picture

Cat with gun versus ... dog with a hat - lol. I actually can't make out what your avater is - dog or penguin?

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:40 | 1153690 Long-John-Silver
Long-John-Silver's picture

Penguin, and I use linux

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:56 | 1153721 Arkadaba
Arkadaba's picture

+ got the joke and very funny

Unix doesn't have a mascot unfortunately. If I had to chose one - might look like this:

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 17:39 | 1153883 Misean
Sat, 04/09/2011 - 21:23 | 1154177 nkktwotwozero
nkktwotwozero's picture

>Unix doesn't have a mascot unfortunately.

Macs dont count.


Joe was about to learn, that in the future, justice was not only blind, it was also quite retarded.


Sun, 04/10/2011 - 10:07 | 1154772 Dolar in a vortex
Dolar in a vortex's picture

Then tell my mother in law.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:08 | 1153632 falak pema
falak pema's picture

He's been to treasure island and backkkk! That in itself is a reference.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:13 | 1153639 Long-John-Silver
Long-John-Silver's picture

I spent a day on the USS Buttercup on Treasure Island before they closed it. I hatted every minute of it.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 04:57 | 1154596 MSimon
MSimon's picture

I spent six months on Treasure Island on the way to Mare Island. Some how I wound up in Idaho working on an aircraft carrier (sort of).

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:20 | 1153653 Pchelar
Pchelar's picture

Because to the rachet-jawed ideologues of Objectivism, all of humanity's ills are the result of altruism, mysticism, and collectivism...

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 11:10 | 1154844 TBT or not TBT
TBT or not TBT's picture

Let's clear up where mysticism comes from, in a tribal context:

It comes from being DUMB as a result of a zillion generations of cousin marriage.  Not surprisingly, the family traditions hold that doing your cousin is the ultimate mystical experience, and so it carries on....

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 15:03 | 1155433 slewie the pi-rat
slewie the pi-rat's picture

+3, cuz...

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 18:09 | 1153913 Urban Redneck
Urban Redneck's picture

Regime Change has Consequences. 

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 18:16 | 1153917 Rodent Freikorps
Rodent Freikorps's picture

Nov. 4, shit.

We seem to have gone to pro-shiite with that one.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 08:20 | 1154689 downwiththebanks
downwiththebanks's picture

The Keyboard General 'Bearster' claims to know what the REVOLUTIONARIES in Egypt want.  But he's just talking out of his ass.

He has no clue and he has paid no attention to the fact that the REVOLUTION hasn't stopped for one day since (Mu)Barak was toppled. 

What they're really fighting for is the arrest of (Mu)Barak's political allies, economic justice, a new constitution, and, most recently the opening of the border with Gaza.

From the comfort of his sofa, eating Cheetos and watching MSNBC with bated breath, 'Bearster' may trash the revolution, but in doing so his really trashing the people in the world willing to stand up against the system Zero-Hedgers whine about all day long.

Good job, 'Bearster'!

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:52 | 1153600 macholatte
macholatte's picture

What could the CIA possibly have to do wih ay of this? I thought it was all spontaneous. You know, frustrated people suddenly coming together and awakening to the idea that they all had something in common, a desire for peace, justice and freedom. So they went to their respective basements and brought out their tanks, mortors, anti-aircraft guns, thousands of automatic weapons and hundreds of tons of ammo. You know. It was spontaneous.

Or did I miss something?

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:00 | 1153613 Ahmeexnal
Ahmeexnal's picture

Yep, as spontaneous as spontaneous combustion.


Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:01 | 1153616 Conrad Murray
Conrad Murray's picture

You can start here (yes I know you're being facetious):

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:17 | 1153642 macholatte
macholatte's picture

Quoting Obama’s campaign slogan of change and supporting the rights of people, Ahmadinejad then said: “Behind this attractive appearance lurks the same old criminals, professional and typical thieves, those same slave owners and colonialists and this time their aim is to once again save their own banking system and imperialist interests.


Ahmadinejad: ‘A Mideast Without Israel and America Now Possible’ (4/7/11)



Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:19 | 1153645 Conrad Murray
Conrad Murray's picture

Give that video in the first reply to this thread a watch. I think you'll appreciate it.


Sat, 04/09/2011 - 17:50 | 1153887 New_Meat
New_Meat's picture


"I thought it was all spontaneous."

'cmon--we're not in Kansas any more.

- Ned

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 08:27 | 1154693 downwiththebanks
downwiththebanks's picture

It was never spontaneous.  The rally was called for early in the week by the REVOLUTIONARIES to protest the military government's unwillingness to try (Mu)Barak's lackeys.

Fuel was added to the protest call when Apartheid Israel went out and killed a dozen or so Palestinians during the week.

It's really easy to talk about how everything is pre-planned by powerful foreign forces when you ignore what the REVOLUTION itself is doing.

Finally, 'macholatte' makes the case - entirely unsupported by evidence, that the protestors had access to " tanks, mortors, anti-aircraft guns, thousands of automatic weapons and hundreds of tons of ammo".  

All of this is, of course, utter bullshit.  There is no source that confirms this in any way.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 19:22 | 1167137 macholatte
macholatte's picture

See Libya you stupid fuck. Oh, that "spontaneous" revolution doesn't count anymore, uh? Sorry, my mistake.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:58 | 1153606 Mr Lennon Hendrix
Mr Lennon Hendrix's picture

We ain't having it!  Not know, not ever!  Viva la Rev, and do what you can.  The best way, if you do not want to risk yourself, is to buy silver as to collapse the banking system.  Of course, Americans could recognize themselves as part of the collective, instead of just sitting on their asses until their own pensions are threatened.  Either way, let us move.  Buy silver, or use your sword...I mean word

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:55 | 1153607 Cleanclog
Cleanclog's picture

It's the Yemen topple that will truly set things in motion.  Libya may have lots of oil, but Yemen is going to make the Saudi's very itchy.  And therefore, the USA too.  Other ME nations stepping back from earlier "commitments" to Yemen's power structure with carefully worded comments today.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 17:56 | 1153898 New_Meat
New_Meat's picture

any links would be appreciated by all--thanks - Ned

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 18:14 | 1153916 Urban Redneck
Urban Redneck's picture

Saudi AF has been rocking the Casbah for months (if there aren't any twitter using witnesses CNN just doesn't care)

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:58 | 1153610 AG BCN
AG BCN's picture

So the military was in charge before January, and the military is in charge now. Looks like the people have just realised they have been hoodwinked.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:16 | 1153641 Josh Randall
Josh Randall's picture

Lets hope this is Organic - hard to tell the good guys from the Western Co-intell professionals

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 20:45 | 1154104 sun tzu
sun tzu's picture

Are there any good guys?

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 05:03 | 1154598 AG BCN
AG BCN's picture

It's the great irony; Those that seek power are the very people we should never allow to have power.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 11:13 | 1154847 TBT or not TBT
TBT or not TBT's picture

And Obama taught courses to the ACORN faithful about how to gain power, based on Saul Alinsky's principles.  

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:01 | 1153618 Long-John-Silver
Long-John-Silver's picture

Uber bullish for Silver! Will we see $50+ when electronic trading opens @ 6:00 PM Sunday evening (EST)?

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:05 | 1153624 Dan The Man
Dan The Man's picture

that might be a bit dreamy...

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:07 | 1153628 DoctoRx
DoctoRx's picture

Quite the coincidence that the political changes occurred first to Libya's western border and then its eastern border, and only then in Libya.    

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:08 | 1153634 SWRichmond
SWRichmond's picture

Egypt's ruling military council said on Saturday it would clear protesters from a central Cairo square with "firmness and force" to allow life to return to normal.

Life for the slaves will return to normal when they stop all this nonsense, shut up, go back to their huts and behave themselves.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:21 | 1153649 john39
john39's picture

yes the nerve of them to demand that the gaza blockade be lifted...  if nothing else, this clearly shows who the new egyptian government answers to, and its not the egyptian people.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 20:47 | 1154110 sun tzu
sun tzu's picture

Considering Egypt has 68 million people, I don't think we can assume that 3,000 protesters represent the will of the people. Lifting the Gaza arms blockade could mean a war that Egypt will lose.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 08:29 | 1154697 downwiththebanks
downwiththebanks's picture

"3000 protesters."

Ha!  What a lie!  Was this at 4:30 am after the junta began firing.

Every source I've read talked extensively about how it was the largest post-REVOLUTION protest, and roughly a million turned out.


Sat, 04/09/2011 - 20:49 | 1154111 sun tzu
sun tzu's picture

Considering Egypt has 68 million people, I don't think we can assume that 3,000 protesters represent the will of the people. Lifting the Gaza arms blockade could mean a war that Egypt will lose.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 20:47 | 1154112 sun tzu
sun tzu's picture

Considering Egypt has 68 million people, I don't think we can assume that 3,000 protesters represent the will of the people. Lifting the Gaza arms blockade could mean a war that Egypt will lose.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 21:06 | 1154119 akak
akak's picture

Sun Tzu may have mastered the art of war, but he has yet to master the art of not hammering away at the "Save" button.

Once is ALWAYS enough!


(Not trying to be TOO much of a smartass --- yes, I have been there myself.)

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:13 | 1153637 Josh Randall
Josh Randall's picture

Are they chanting "BEAT LA" ?

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 11:23 | 1154863 TBT or not TBT
TBT or not TBT's picture

Maybe their cheerleaders are hot under those burkas.   That would totally change everything.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:15 | 1153640 samsara
samsara's picture

As I said,  'Boots on the Ground' is placed in Libyia to hit Egypt from that side if it touches Gaza, plus,  it's another spot to fly over southern Egypt to hit Saudi Arabia from.

Look at it from a force positioning perspective.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 17:59 | 1153904 New_Meat
New_Meat's picture

child, you have no idea re: time, distance, logistics, force sizing, mission assignment ...

Back to the basement for ya.

(just a hint--check out Rommel vs. Brits in WWII and the yo-yo actions there. might get you into the region of a coherent thought)

- Ned

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 19:07 | 1153985 samsara
samsara's picture

Ah,  Wouldn't they be using different equipment than Rommel vs the Brits?

I don't think that using references to that war is of value when thinking of protecting Israel & SA this time.


Sat, 04/09/2011 - 20:51 | 1154117 sun tzu
sun tzu's picture

Except that Rommel vs Monty were two forces that were equal in strength. NATO vs the Egyptian army isn't exactly going to be a yo-yo action. It might last a week at most

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 21:04 | 1154147 blunderdog
blunderdog's picture

Israel's demonstrated on a few occasions, and the US on a few more, just how easy it is to sweep across desert terrain and seize territory.

The real problem is that holding it isn't fuckin' worth anything.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 08:32 | 1154698 downwiththebanks
downwiththebanks's picture

And Egypt proved the same thing against Apartheid Israel in 1973, until the Zionist settler-state called upon Uncle Sam for help.

The last thing in the world Apartheid Israel wants is war with Egypt.  After all, its little army without soldiers can't even deal with Hamas and has to rely on its power to intimidate by massacring grandmothers.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 11:29 | 1154869 TBT or not TBT
TBT or not TBT's picture

They might find the arc of the covenant, or some other ancient weapon buried out there...maybe a third stargate that goes to different universes, where for example most of the easy oil is under the civilised countries rather than the inbred-since-the-beginning-of-time ones.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 21:59 | 1154237 samsara
samsara's picture

More broadly my comment was on the strategic positioning of having a land base in N. Africa for Nato and US.    For the same reason we wanted them in the 'Stans.   Force Positioning.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:21 | 1153647 max2205
max2205's picture

"revolt like an Egyptian.... Da da da da da......da da da da da" Repeat

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:25 | 1153664 Long-John-Silver
Long-John-Silver's picture

LOL--- I would plus you if that option was available. +++++

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:23 | 1153659 Eureka Springs
Eureka Springs's picture

Viva la Egyptian youth! By far the clearest thinking, planning, action oriented group I've seen in my lifetime. Inspiring.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 08:33 | 1154700 downwiththebanks
downwiththebanks's picture


Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:24 | 1153662 falak pema
falak pema's picture

Egypt is an enigma to the rational and a rambling maze to the oriental. It became a splendid place when Saladin made it his capital in his fight for independence and it stayed that way for 700 years, a beacon of freedom and learning in a crumbling moslem world. Now sucked into globalization by Henry Kissinger, sold to the western dream of oil patch hegemony, it will take time to re-find it's past glory and independence. It's sons must learn the ways of modern man...the first lesson of which is freedom from tyrants...true challenge inflicted on downtrodden people in a world astride by the lords of globalization who march with Machiavelli's mask, speak of benign IMF goodwill to all and sundry, while advancing on their own hidden and laser beamed world agenda.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:42 | 1153692 Arkadaba
Arkadaba's picture

+ love your prose (sarcasm off)

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 23:17 | 1154346 Oh regional Indian
Oh regional Indian's picture

Well said and written as always Falak. The pendulum continues to swing this way and that on our chosen 33rd. A DU pendulum at that. I wonder when DU love will coat more and more of that blighted latitude? 

And the enigma of Egypt runs deeper. It's age AND containing the exact centre of the earth's landmass (on which Al Giza, the great pyramid is built) is a huge tell.

The missing capstone, which some say went down with Egyptair 88....what if it did and what if it did'nt? It's central to the Masonic Monkeys, that is for sure. 

Spawntaneous Revolution, ugly stuff, hmmmm?

Perfect for some Messianic intervention, eh?


Sun, 04/10/2011 - 09:02 | 1154724 falak pema
falak pema's picture


You speak a language that only the gods understand and we, mere humans, see its imprint on our lives through a straight line running horizontally across our global expanse called 33 o'clock wake up call time, which we refuse to hear throughout  the ages, as you have so clearly pointed out. As for the signs of the current times let me just say in retrospective that the 12th and 13th centuries were periods where the world got smaller through 'globalisation', often violent, through the Crusades, an activity whose impetus developed concomitantly the silk and spice routes of east-west trade. But which led to a very destructive century : the 14th, harbinger of world population shrinkage of significant magnitude with the  plague and 100 year war in Europe. Maybe a signal for us about this new century which has begun so ominously.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:37 | 1153682 Atomizer
Atomizer's picture

Settle the fuck down peasants. We're sorting out which country pays for this invasion. LOL

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:33 | 1153684 Jayda1850
Jayda1850's picture

Israel has to be shitting a brick. Mubarak, though a corrupt dictator, was able to keep weapons out of Gaza for the most part. With the muslim brotherhood making in-roads, Israel loses any chance of security with their neighbors. This does not end well.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:43 | 1153695 bob_dabolina
bob_dabolina's picture

I have a grand idea for any head honchos working for big MSM outlets.

You should send some white blonde reporters there unguarded to get good footage. Seeing as you seem to care so much for your reporters by making the best judgement calls I have ever seen.

Don't worry about them getting gang raped by angry mobs. It won't happen again the "protesters" pinky swear.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 21:47 | 1154215 serotonindumptruck
serotonindumptruck's picture

"You should send some white blonde reporters there unguarded to get good footage."

No pun intended, right Bob? I doubt Lara Logan is up for the assignment.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 11:38 | 1154880 TBT or not TBT
TBT or not TBT's picture

Well this time they could get pro footage and lighting on the set, so Lara Logan Does Muzzies 2 would get at least some eyes on it.  

As to the first episode, it is a hell of time we are living in when not only does a major news agency not go get the underlying story of who these people demonstrating actually are, one of their star reports gets it good and hard for thirty minutes straight from representatives of modern freedom loving egyptian youth, and they bury the story.    It isn't like they needed to triple check their sources before going with the story, but here they utterly suppressed it, preferring to stick to the freedom and democracy lie.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:56 | 1153720 CulturalEngineer
CulturalEngineer's picture

Oligarchies rarely collapse after a few Kumbayah sing-a-longs.

I'm all for the revolution in the Middle East... but without institutions fostering rational governance you'll likely just end up with a new oligarchy.

We're actually regressing in the West... we've lost the spirit of self-governance and look for romantic figures to lead us...

What a dream come true for the dream merchants! Childish adults make the easiest customers and will be easiest to get rid of when they no longer serve any purpose...

Sort of like what's happening with the U.S. middle class.

Same script... just different acts in the drama.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 20:59 | 1154130 sun tzu
sun tzu's picture

A revolution isn't always a good thing. Look at Iran and the USSR. If they want individual freedom and autonomy from TPTB, then I'm all for it. If they want to overthrow one tribal dictator for a more unstable despot, then why should we support them? The way I see it we should stay out of it and let them handle the killing so they can't blame us

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 03:13 | 1154564 Kickaha
Kickaha's picture

Why do you think that if they slaughter each other that they still won't blame us when they are done?

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 08:36 | 1154703 downwiththebanks
downwiththebanks's picture

Uncle Sam should stay out of it.  Providing all the weapons with which the junta goes out on the warpath is enough 'doing', thank you very much...

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 11:44 | 1154892 TBT or not TBT
TBT or not TBT's picture

I have an idea.   Let's give them weapons with a built in CAPTCHA feature.    The problem in the arab middle east is generations of inbreeding.   We should favor the least dumb, and the least islamic, as that religion doubles down on the already bad starting point of a low IQ population.    Basically the entire population gets raised through the critical years when their brains are growing by the least educated, lowest status segment of the population, women, because of Islam.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 11:47 | 1154906 downwiththebanks
downwiththebanks's picture

Cut off the Zionist Ethnic Cleansers first.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 14:58 | 1155412 TBT or not TBT
TBT or not TBT's picture

Which Zionism are you talking about?   The blood libel kind ?

As to ethnic cleansing there are something like a couple million arabs living IN Israel as citizens of Israel.   The only difference between them and their cousins across the fence is 65 years of living healthily and happily and freely in Israel instead of in the western supported welfare zones called the palestinian territories.   So the obvious question is, if you think the Isrealis are practicing "ethnic cleansing" how is that the native arab and muslim population of Israel hasn't received any such attention?   Maybe it has something to do with their parents choice not to clear out back in '48 in front of arab armies' planned ethnic cleansing against the jews?

I expect to hear crickets or babble from you, but would like to be happily surprised for once.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 08:37 | 1154701 downwiththebanks
downwiththebanks's picture

They collapse when the military goes over to the protests and strikes shut down the functioning of the country.

This is precisely what has started to happen in Egypt over the last two months, organized at every step by the REVOLUTION.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:57 | 1153723 Atomizer
Atomizer's picture

Funneling a slush fund to make sure you suck it up & trade in your old car in exchange for a new banking loan.

Oil prices may spike if contagion enters Saudi: Argus Media


House Session 2011-04-07 (17:08:09-18:23:24)


Sat, 04/09/2011 - 16:17 | 1153756 Rodent Freikorps
Rodent Freikorps's picture

Muslim Brotherhood v Mamluks.

I predict lots of blood as the Mamluks will refuse to live under a theocracy.

If the US takes the side of the Muslim Brotherhood, I quit. The US will have betrayed all allies and become a true servant of evil.



Sat, 04/09/2011 - 21:03 | 1154140 sun tzu
sun tzu's picture

If the Mb is willing to give the West better oil deals and play the IMF game, then our tyrants will support them. I remember when Gaddhafi was the toast of the town a few months ago, schmoozing with Western leaders. Now he's worse than the anti-christ

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 21:37 | 1154198 Rodent Freikorps
Rodent Freikorps's picture

Strangely, the Trans-national, socialist, progressives, Tranzis, might hate the hell out of Christianity, but there are many aspects of Islam they admire.

Being cool with slavery, torture and murder makes Islam the choice of the new generation of Tranzis.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 06:40 | 1154629 AnAnonymous
AnAnonymous's picture

The question would be then why they dont admire the same aspects in Christianity.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 11:48 | 1154911 TBT or not TBT
TBT or not TBT's picture

So tranzi porn woud be what, photo essays of the Rwanda mass-machete-massacre, Angolan child prostitutes working the purple helmets of UN blue helmets, arab prison rape movies ? 

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 08:40 | 1154705 downwiththebanks
downwiththebanks's picture

We can always count on the Islamophobe 'Rodent Freikorps' to misrepresent events on the ground to suit his ideology.

The MB did not attend the protests on Friday/Saturday, and in recent days they have been working closely with the junta against the REVOLUTION.

He also ignores that Uncle Sam has been working with the Muslim Brotherhood for more than 5 decades.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 16:22 | 1153761 pauldia
pauldia's picture

Look how nice our lawmakers treat their constituents......... 

In Moran Case, Color Helps Block the Light

By Marc Fisher

Saturday, April 22, 2000; Page B01

And now, a case of black and white that is anything but black and white.

A white congressman, Jim Moran of Alexandria, goes to pick up his kids at a recreation center where most of the children are black. Moran parks his Toyota Avalon and as he's getting out, he's approached by an 8-year-old boy, who is black. (The boy's parents don't mind if I use the child's name. I mind.)

The boy says something. That much everyone agrees on.

Moran says the boy said: "Give me your keys. I have a gun."

The boy says he said, "I like your car."

And we're off--downhill all the way. Moran grabs the boy, they tussle, the congressman ends up with his hand on the boy's throat. The boy's mother shows up at Cora Kelly Recreation Center and showers Moran with cusswords. Over the next two weeks come ugly accusations, threats of a lawsuit, accusations of racism--your classic post-O.J. slamdance of polarized perceptions.

Carjacker or car enthusiast? I spent a morning with the boy and his mother, Melanie Gaitwood. The boy showed me how he can watch traffic on Route 1 and name the make and model of every passing vehicle. The boy demonstrated how Moran yelled at him, held him at the throat (my neck still hurts) and carried him into the rec center, whereupon police were summoned.

This is a nice boy, the rec center director says. The boy's report cards are fine, no bad behavior noted. Gaitwood says her son would never do anything like what's alleged. "I know my child," she says. "He loves cars. He talks to people about cars all the time."

And yet.

Moran has no reason to make up this encounter. He's a liberal who's won broad black support for many years. He has a black grandson. He needs a racial flare-up in his political career like he needs a heart attack.

The congressman is upset enough to spend 40 minutes on the phone from Cairo recounting the episode instead of getting ready to meet the president of Egypt.

Moran says that immediately after the incident, the boy admitted what he'd done. "It was only after he'd been coached that he changed his story."

The congressman's account is detailed. Many of those details match the boy's story--where the two stood, exactly how the struggle proceeded.

"It's a little embarrassing," Moran says, but just before lunging at the boy's arm, "I said, 'I'm a congressman, you just can't shoot me and think you're going to get away with this.' "

The boy's version of the dialogue is much more sparse: "I like your car," to which Moran says, "You're kidding," upon which the congressman grabs the child, unprovoked.

In the end, only Moran and the boy know what happened. I don't know. You don't know. The police, though they praised Moran for his courage, don't really know; they're still investigating. None of this has stopped people from taking sides.

The family and its lawyer say this boy could not kill, would not rob. Lawyer Ted Williams says this is about "a powerful white congressman who says an African American child attempted to carjack him." Williams repeatedly casts the case in racial terms, then adds, "I'm not saying Moran is a racist." Thanks a lot.

The congressman, for his part, was quick to go on national television to blast the child's family.

What do we know? The boy I met does not seem to match Moran's description. On television, the congressman told of a kid with "this icy, cold stare, no expression." The child I met is lively, friendly--his wide, arched eyebrows bob as he speaks; he smiles easily. Which, of course, proves nothing.

The mother says she overheard Moran on the phone shortly after the incident, saying, "I made a mistake, I grabbed this kid, I don't know what I'm supposed to do." Moran says there was no such conversation.

What happened? Maybe, as Moran says, the boy was acting out a fantasy he picked up from a movie, a friend, a relative. In this version, you'd have a troubled boy who did something scary.

Or maybe this: The boy's speech is not the clearest. Maybe Moran didn't understand the child and heard what he expected to hear from a (black) child at his car door. In this version, you'd have a troubled congressman who jumped to conclusions.

Who's more credible, a congressman or an 8-year-old? Politicians and children can both be talented liars. But both also deserve the assumption of honesty.

Moran sounds hurt, subdued. Why would he lie? He says he has no desire to press charges against the child--but he warns that if the family sues him, "one approach would simply be to file charges."

Both sides agree that were it not for the poison of race, we wouldn't be here. Gaitwood says that if her son were white, no one would have hauled him kicking and screaming into the rec center, no one would have launched an investigation or gone on television to tell the tale. Moran says that if the family hadn't started crying about race, he would seek help for the child and drop the matter.

But race, particularly in a divided city like Alexandria, matters.

And so a congressman gets on the phone and recites his racial bona fides: "Every one of my four children has gone to schools that are majority African American, their friends are African American. It's important to me that children grow up not seeing things in black and white."

Why should this man have to say this?

Gaitwood tells me that her boyfriend is white, she has white friends, she has taught her child not to hang out only with other blacks.

Why should she feel compelled to say this?

Where did this go off the rails? When Moran grabbed the boy? When the lawyer decided that the family wants not just an apology, but "justice"? When Moran chatted about the case with NBC's Katie Couric, as if this were one more cooking segment on a chat show?

Or did the boy do something very dangerous and wrong?

Gaitwood wants her boy's name cleared. Moran doesn't regret anything he's done.

In cases like this, it can be useful to reverse races and rethink: A black congressman runs into an 8-year-old white boy, who, let's say, threatens a carjacking. The congressman would be upset, scared. He'd grab the kid and call the cops.

But would he go on the Today program to cast aspersions on the boy's family? Would he speak wistfully, as Moran did, about wanting to adopt a child who he knows has parents? Is that remotely conceivable?

Sometimes, black and white isn't black and white at all. It's fog and mist, and it casts gloom over us all.




Sat, 04/09/2011 - 19:06 | 1153984 Serenity Now
Serenity Now's picture

"It's a little embarrassing," Moran says, but just before lunging at the boy's arm, "I said, 'I'm a congressman, you just can't shoot me and think you're going to get away with this.' "


This is the only part of Moran's story that is believable.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 21:23 | 1154174 FranSix
FranSix's picture

People lie out of the bottom of their collective unconscious, and then they don't ever remember having lied. Did the child say he had a 'gub' after watching a Woody Allen Film?

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 03:12 | 1154563 AnAnonymous
AnAnonymous's picture

This guy looked hooked on power. Any challenge on his power position is enough to ignite him.

US citizens should go beyond that racist crap. The US society has been founded on racism and US citizens have shown many times their incapacity to change, only masquerading themselves at the cost of mucho dinero. Why keep pretending? It is a non sense at present times.

Had the kid a gun? Waylaid by a kid. In many countries, kids have still the luxury of way laying as a game. In the US, it is enough that a black kid lays way for fun on a grown up for the latter to be impossible to assess the threat or know if it is a game or not.

Freedom, freedom...

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 03:23 | 1154569 Kickaha
Kickaha's picture

"Give me your keys, I've got a gun" is ebonics for "I like your car".

This was just a simple and unfortunate cross-cultural semantical misunderstanding.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 11:36 | 1154878 Kobe Beef
Kobe Beef's picture

This has nothing to do with Egypt. I logged in just to junk you.

Bye now,


Sat, 04/09/2011 - 16:21 | 1153765 Spirit Of Truth
Spirit Of Truth's picture

The real reason behind the "Arab Spring" is about to become clear IMHO:

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 16:22 | 1153766 Bubbles the cat (not verified)
Bubbles the cat's picture's springtime. Springtime across the Middle East and North Africa. This is Egypt's second springtime this year - the greedy bastards. And soon it will be springtime on the streets in Ireland, Greece, Portugal and Spain. Springtime all over. Way things are going, hell, maybe it'll be springtime all year round.......

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 21:02 | 1154144 psychologicalmess
psychologicalmess's picture

All these names:  Shock and Awe.  Operation New Dawn.  Operation Iraqi Freedom.  Operation FukyouShima.  It's really cinematic.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 16:22 | 1153767 jmc8888
jmc8888's picture

Yep, let's use a o.j. simpson trial-esque line

"If the 'fraudulent debt' based imperial monetary system persists, the hungry eyptians will still go apeshit"

Applicable to every country where humans reside.

If this doesn't do it, a 3rd revolution, a 4th, until people can eat, and not worry about big banksters bending them over.

Not through printing, not through cutting.  From the realization, and dealing with the real issue FRAUD on a massive scale, involving basically 'debt'.


Until this is solved with the above 'low hanging fruit' tried and true solution, the number of revolutions a country or world will go through needs to be represented as N, or X or NN or XX or NNN or XXX, etc.  The number only stops going higher when the fraud stops. Because only then will the pressure upon the people (causing them to revolt) will cease. 

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 16:24 | 1153773 buzlightening
buzlightening's picture

Yes! Middle East is daisy chaining mayhem world wide, as not living poorly will be a definite eventuality in AmeriCON'd.  When all the feathers get plucked from the paper fiat global monetary carcass, the root of all bloodshed. What's left beyond burying some 3-4 billion souls caught in the bankster financial meat grinder?  Be nice to have a people who actually keep a sound monetary system longer than the ilk which strayed from our constitutional declaration. Perhaps, even a  people so free monetarily, they could prosper all the world.   Maybe a real global economy which lasts a thousand years. 

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 16:33 | 1153787 onlooker
onlooker's picture

With 3 (three) ongoing Wars, that we can not afford, and are not in control of, and don’t understand, and want out of, and may not have the ability to sustain ----

It is my hope that we stay the hell out of and away from more problems.


It is obvious that the unrest in MENA is a huge threat to the World Economy and to the US Military to fuel the world wide Peace/War machine. Politicians want to be on the “right side” of events. The mantra of human rights (when it looks good for the US) always pops up. 

However, we may be at a point in time where stability NOW with a thought of change later may be the only way we can play this hand and stay a viable player in the game. Don’t expect Russia, Indonesia, and Chavez to rush to our side.


If we loose the MENA oil supply for months or maybe years, it is game over for us.


Sat, 04/09/2011 - 17:01 | 1153839 Things that go bump
Things that go bump's picture

If that is the case, why do they hesitate for even a minute?  Why don't they bring us down now, while they have the chance?

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 23:56 | 1154385 Ahmeexnal
Ahmeexnal's picture

Vuvuzelan leader by the grace of the people, Cha-Cha-Chavez, sells most of his country's oil to...the US.

He's another Rockefeller puppet.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 16:50 | 1153824 americanspirit
americanspirit's picture

Where oh where is all that Libyan mustard gas and Sarin? What role if any did the new military 'government' of Egypt play in its acquisition and transport? Where is it going, and when will it get there. Is it still in Sudan? Has it crossed the Red Sea to Yemen? Is it in Egypt, on its way across the Suez? Is it on a ship off the coast of Israel, waiting for a west wind? Perhaps already in Gaza? One wonders, and waits.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 16:53 | 1153828 Rodent Freikorps
Rodent Freikorps's picture

Better hope not. Chemical weapons get a nuclear response. And deservedly so.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 21:56 | 1154230 serotonindumptruck
serotonindumptruck's picture

Sorta like the USA using depleted uranium and white phosphorus in Iraq and Afghanistan, right?

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 21:59 | 1154238 Rodent Freikorps
Rodent Freikorps's picture

Not the least bit.

Use chemical weapons and you will draw a nuclear response. If not by this president, then for damn sure, the next.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 22:22 | 1154281 serotonindumptruck
serotonindumptruck's picture

So, by your logic, if a nuclear weapon is detonated in an American city, then no one should be outraged or upset if it is determined that the attack was perpetrated by Mujahadin.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 22:36 | 1154291 Rodent Freikorps
Rodent Freikorps's picture

Willy Pete is a tactical weapon and we are not using it. It is not, however a chemical weapon. It is an incendiary.

Your logic escapes me. Perhaps it is because you are ignorant of the ordinance used in modern combat?

But don't take my word for it.


Sun, 04/10/2011 - 00:00 | 1154387 Crassus
Crassus's picture

We have used white phosphorus shells to create smokescreens and to jam infrared tracking devices on antitank missiles in USFOR-A. Such uses are permitted under international law. Using it as an ordnance in densely populated civilian areas is a war crime.


Sun, 04/10/2011 - 00:03 | 1154392 Rodent Freikorps
Rodent Freikorps's picture

Israel used White Phosphorus against HAMAS targets in Gaza during Operation Cast Lead in January 2009. This violated no international laws or conventions.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 00:12 | 1154403 Crassus
Crassus's picture

The IDF claimed that the M825A1 ordnance in 155m shells was used to provide cover for troops.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 00:16 | 1154405 Rodent Freikorps
Rodent Freikorps's picture


Sun, 04/10/2011 - 08:46 | 1154711 downwiththebanks
downwiththebanks's picture

Cast Lead itself was a provocative act by a state engaged in Ethnic Cleansing with the help those who arm it.

We all know you love ethnic cleansing, Freikorps.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 08:44 | 1154709 downwiththebanks
downwiththebanks's picture


White Phosphorus has been used as a weapon over and over again in recent years, and with TONS of documentary evidence proving this.

It's been a valuable part of Uncle Sam's Iraqi Genocide (1990-present).

This is just the fascist rodent lying again.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 17:03 | 1153842 nah
nah's picture

as israel bombs gaza... give me a break are you serious


someone in a leadership position needs to wake up... we need meaningful peace in the middle east... everyone wants it but $150 oil political interests


is DC blind to what they are doing to the US... these people think our wars are a joke... wear your little yellow ribbon if it makes you proud... dont let American interest take a back seat to pontificating zionists


i dont see how the genie is not out of the bottle... you are looking at the seeds of global revolution and no matter what your world view is... YOU AINT GUNNA GET IT


slimy republicans and democrats letting the MSM spin the fragmenting of the global empire like it doesnt exist... stupid

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 17:45 | 1153850 Rodent Freikorps
Rodent Freikorps's picture

Hey, dipshit...

Iran would want America's death even if Israel did not exist. Until we bend a knee to Islam, we are their enemy.

If you like your daughter free, you will oppose them.

If you do not, fuck you.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 18:46 | 1153966 Rick64
Rick64's picture

 You are looking at the end result of decades of interference by the U.S. and its foreign policies. Look at the history and you will see the reasons behind their mistrust and hatred of the U.S. government. You have to look at the cause not just the end result.  

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 19:55 | 1154029 Rodent Freikorps
Rodent Freikorps's picture

Are you nuts?

Iranian Islam is a doomsday cult.

And even if it were not, I will happily kill anyone trying to harm my nation. I do not give the smallest care what justifications they think they have.

Get a grip. If you can find common cause with your active and sworn enemy, you are a freak of nature. Kick off the propaganda of the liberals, and defend the land your family lives in, or please kill your worthless self.

Assuming people like you are false flag Iranians makes more sense than any, but the most idiotic Ivy Leaguer, could actually believe such arrant bullshit.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 20:24 | 1154063 nmewn
nmewn's picture

Yeah, that whole Iranian Revolution thingy where private property was confiscated and given to the mullahs is working out swell...for the Hojatieh Society ;-)

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!