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Egypt Revolution: Take 2
Remember how happy the Egyptain population was to depose one dictator only to have him replaced with a ruling military junta, and how prosaic, not to mention cynical, our assumption was that the newly "democratic" country has three months before the country experiences another post-Thermiodrian revolution? Well, our estimate was three weeks off. As the video shows, Tahrir Square (remember it? the second black swan of 2011 after that whole Tunisia thing...) is once again the latest and greatest place to go, be seen, and occasionally, shot at.
And from Reuters, here's why Suez Canal concerns, so promptly put to bed, will likely reemerge within a month:
Egypt's ruling military council said on Saturday it would clear protesters from a central Cairo square with "firmness and force" to allow life to return to normal.
Speaking at a news conference, a senior military officer blamed trouble in Tahrir Square on "elements that backed the counter-revolution", a reference to people loyal to the administration of deposed President Hosni Mubarak.
At least they did not blame the snow. In the meantime inquiring minds want to know: just how many of the CIA boots on the ground currently in Libya were positioned there after "completing" their job in neighboring Egypt...
Some more from Al Jazeera:
Hundreds of protesters demanding that Hosni Mubarak, the former Egyptian president, be put on trial for alleged corruption, have retaken Cairo's iconic Tahrir Square, hours after security forces attempted to disperse them, in a clash that killed at least one person.
By 7am (local time) on Saturday morning, army and central security troops appeared to have withdrawn, leaving the square to protesters who set vehicles on fire and began setting up barricades made of furniture and left-behind barbed wire.
"The number of protesters remaining in the square is swelling, as news [of the clashes] spreads through the city," reported Mike Hanna, Al Jazeera's correspondent in Cairo.
Hundreds of army and security forces troops had stormed the square earlier, in an attempt to disperse the thousands of protesters.
In scenes reminiscent of the violent 18-day uprising that ousted longtime President Mubarak in February, protesters and riot police threw rocks at each other, and security forces responded by firing tear gas, witnesses said.
Egypt's health ministry said that one person was killed and 71 injured after those clashes. The military had earlier denied that anyone was hurt or killed in the raid of the square.
Groups of protesters rallying around the southeast corner of the square threw bottles and possibly petrol firebombs at riot police, Michelle May, a freelance journalist, told Al Jazeera.
One of the main roads running east from Tahrir Square towards Talaat Harb Square was virtually empty, and gunfire seemed to have subsided, a witness said.
The military in a statement released through the state MENA news agency, said that security forces were attempting to enforce a 2am to 5am (local time) curfew.
"Elements from the interior ministry along with some noble citizens confronted the riotous actions and enforced the curfew without any losses," the statement read. "The armed forces stress that they will not tolerate any acts of rioting or any act that harms the interest of the country and the people."
A separate statement carried on the military's Facebook page blamed "remnants" of Mubarak's National Democratic Party for the clashes, and ordered the arrest of four party members it accused of "thuggery" during the sit-in.
Guns fired, rocks thrown
Most of the protesters retreated after the army entered the square, witnesses said. Bassiouny ran to the west side of the square, which leads to Kasr el-Nil Bridge, and found more troops entering from that direction.
On the road leading east into the central business district around Talaat Harb Square, protesters tore down the roof of a bus stop and dragged it down the road to protect themselves from gunfire and rocks, said Drew Storey, a neighbourhood resident.
Protesters and army soldiers threw rocks at each other, and at least four injured protesters had to be carried away, he said. Soldiers fired their guns into metal shopfronts, sending sparks flying and bullets ricocheting, apparently to scare away the protesters, Storey said.
At one point, he said, security forces clad in riot gear chanted, cheered and shook each others' hands after driving the protesters away.
Other central security and army forces had been stationed to the north of Tahrir Square next to the Egyptian Museum, which military police have turned into a makeshift detention centre.
For those interested in what will likely be headline news again very soon, here is a live feed from Al Jazeera:
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The organization was founded on the premise that the most immediate threat to Islam was the Bahá'í religion, which they viewed as a heresy that must be eliminated.[2] The group also opposes both Sunniism and the Khomeinist concept of Velayat-e Faqih. An earlier organization was founded by Halabi, the Anjoman-e Imám-e Zaman (called Anjoman-e Zedd-e Bahá'í privately) which later was re-named to the Anjoman-e Hojjatieh Mahdavieh (called Hojjatieh for short) after the Iranian Revolution
Had to look that one up.
They seem to hate everyone.
They are some deceptive pricks...hiding behind a "religion" for fun & profit.
The sooner the people overthrow them the better...the sooner people recognize pure evil disguised as pure righteousness the better.
I mean really...on what level...on what planet...is a woman executed by the state for a judge saying she did not resist her own rape by multiple men forcefully enough?
In what country are condemned boys & girls, men & women sodomized by prison guards before their execution as almost a perk of employment?
In what countries are homosexuals executed as a matter of course by their legal system?...no matter how the fuck you feel about homo's...execution?...really?
How is it that a female American reporter can be sexually assualted in the middle of a "democracy movement" in Egypt and it get's scant reportage?
How is it that after "democracy" is instituted at the point of a gun by the army of Egypt women going to and from the square are given a virginty check by the army and no one bats an eye?...we all know how this test must be administered don't we?
It's a long list of abuse to individuals by the "states" involved...I won't bore you with anymore details...most here don't have a fucking clue what this is or about...when a chick can't even show her hair lest she wind up in one of the aforementioned judges court rooms it really says all that needs to be said.
Edit; No "religion of peace" activists care to comment on the reality of the issue at hand...typical mindless bots.
I don't think anybody would argue the atrocities that have happened in the name of this religion (and many others) or the suppression of the people's rights. What I take issue with is the hypocritical stance of the U.S. and our interference in their politics. Some of the crimes you state have happened in many countries we support and are our allies. Others have happened in the Catholic Church for centuries in developed countries. If the U.S. wants to become involved should it be only those oppressive regimes that have valuable resources? All the while supporting and aiding other oppressive regimes that are guilty of the same.
Can we get you to admit that Islam is a LOT worse than the other COEXIST bumper sticker letters?
It is the only major religion that harps on endlessly with explicitly warlike language about its plan where COEXIST gets violently reduced to just "C", worldwide, do or die.
Spare us the "a pox on all their houses" argument tarring all religions equally. That is a BIG LIE that aids the spread of this mental cancer called Islam.
There is no moral equivalent between what once happened, and what is happening now. All you do with that argument is give political cover to the very people currently committing those bad acts.
And I don't follow your seeming point that if we can't knock down every evil dictator, we should knock down none.
Like you covering for Apartheid Israel.
You could have peace with Israel tomorrow.
All you have to do is stop shooting at them.
For their own sake, Apartheid Israel ought to stop their 64 year old policy of ethnic cleansing. Doing so would slow down their racist colony's inevitable fall.
People have a right to defend the land on which their forebears have lived and worked, especially from a bunch of White European interlopers engaged in an imperialist enterprise.
"People have a right to defend the land on which their forebears have lived and worked, especially from a bunch of White European interlopers engaged in an imperialist enterprise."
Enough of this tripe.
So, where are all the "real" Jews located at today?...you sayin Hitler got them all?
On top of that, lots of arabs, well over a million live happily and heathily and richly IN Israel. They are very pleased with their parents' choice to ignore the call by arab armies back in 48 to leave Israel, prior to the wholesale genocide they had planned for the evil Jooooos. The ones who left live in the squalor and mayhem of the palestinian terrortories. As to apartheid policies, the surrounding arab countries treat "palestinians" like dirt, as virtual slaves in the rare cases they are allowed outside their cages. 65 years of western country driven "aid" has turned the once sparsely populated "refugee" territory into an entirely dependent hell hole with an average age of 17, and no plan nevermind hope of supporting itself. The arab countries, rich or poor, are no help at all to this thoroughly ruined people.
Rodent,
Either you can't comprehend or I am not articulate enough. These things are happening now in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and the catholic church for that matter. Yet we still support these countries. The U.S. doesn't practice what it preaches. We supported the regimes in Egypt and Tunisia for decades.
"Some of the crimes you state have happened in many countries we support and are our allies."
Absolutely true.
Mine is a statement of condemnation of both allies and not so much. Before we get all giddy over a "democracy movement" we should understand what their idea of majority rule (democracy) would look like...it will look like exactly what is there now, except for a new face up top.
"Others have happened in the Catholic Church for centuries in developed countries."
Developed western countries have laws that punish pedophile priests & rapists not enable them...I don't see a connection to the codified law of Islamic state countries that permit slavery, human rights abuse and subjugation of "minorities".
"If the U.S. wants to become involved should it be only those oppressive regimes that have valuable resources? All the while supporting and aiding other oppressive regimes that are guilty of the same."
I believe the policy has been one of interaction...trying to get the leadership of those countries to change their stripes...it's clearly not working, as all they do coalesce power and wealth toward the top of the pyramid...not unlike here, sadly, where law is for the people not the powerful.
What you have to remember is there are competitors for trade (China, Russia etc.) who really don't care about the fate of those countries populations or their welfare that we (as US citizens) tend to moralize and tear ourselves apart about.
Developed western countries have laws that punish pedophile priests & rapists not enable them...I don't see a connection to the codified law of Islamic state countries that permit slavery, human rights abuse and subjugation of "minorities".
When those religious institutions can circumvent the law for decades ( U.S. ) and centuries (Europe) then those laws are not really protecting. It is still going on. I agree its not the same as being backed by the government and it would have been far worse had it been, but many in society as well as the church turned a blind eye to it and allowed it to go on.
I believe the policy has been one of interaction...
This would be the logical conclusion unless you look at history. We have ousted and implanted our own ruthless corrupt puppets over and over when in many cases the ousted rulers were democratically elected. In many instances the leaders we didn't approve of were about to or did implement policies that weren't beneficial to our corporations. The leaders that were our puppets would reverse those policies and tow the line for the U.S. all the while commiting horrendous acts against its own people for decades.
What you have to remember is there are competitors for trade (China, Russia etc.) who really don't care about the fate of those countries populations or their welfare that we (as US citizens) tend to moralize and tear ourselves apart about.
This is a very valid point. I do recognize this, but instead of the U.S. exploiting the country and installing or backing a corrupt ruthless leader that supports this why can't there be a happy medium where the U.S. actually helps the country and its people. Maybe the corporations don't make as much money and the U.S. citizens have to pay a little more for those resources, but both countries would be better for it. This would be a solid relationship that would do more to promote democracy than our current mode of operation.
"but many in society as well as the church turned a blind eye to it and allowed it to go on."
I can assure you a pedophile is dead meat around here...whether or not others didn't turn scumbags in for prosecution under the law points to their own moral shortcomings or embarrassment...not the law.
"The leaders that were our puppets would reverse those policies and tow the line for the U.S. all the while commiting horrendous acts against its own people for decades."
I'm not really into self flagellation. To equate what we are now, in this century, to the last century, is to compare Pol Pot to Cambodia of today or Germany of today with Hitler. It's simply not who we are.
"I do recognize this, but instead of the U.S. exploiting the country and installing or backing a corrupt ruthless leader that supports this why can't there be a happy medium where the U.S. actually helps the country and its people. Maybe the corporations don't make as much money and the U.S. citizens have to pay a little more for those resources, but both countries would be better for it."
I'm more in the camp of we have resources right here at home...which means jobs also. All that stands in the way is over regulation and a willingness to move in that direction. When you say "resources" I assume you mean oil. We have oil...we have natural gas...we have coal (about 25% of the worlds supply if I recall). The North American continent is not resource poor and for quite some time we were the worlds food basket.
That stated, I'm for pulling monetary foreign aid to most countries. A lot of this money goes to artificially inflate foreign countries economies and thus their peoples standard of living...which if it were to go down would make their leaders less desirable in the populations eyes. They would be vulnerable to overthrow...so it's really blackmail of a nations sovereignty in a way.
I believe the people of any nation should have their say in what they want...and live with the consequences of it internationally & domestically or change it.
Good rap Rick...taking the kids swimming.
SeeYa
Enjoyed it. Have fun.
Let me guess, you tune into FOX regularly and are a fan of Glen Becky.
I think you may be in the wrong forum, most here (I assume) like me, want to make (preserve) money and distrust all ideologies.
Lie much?
Politics matters now that there are no semi-free markets.
If Iran gets nuclear bombs, they can practice nuclear blackmail against the Arab oil fields.
How's that for effecting your trading strategy?
And if you happen to believe that the Red team trumps the Blue team, or vice versa, then politics in fact do NOT matter, because no matter which team you vote for, their jersies are interchangeable, and 99.9% of the time you are going to get the same result in the end. Good cop, bad cop, good statist, bad statist ---- they're all bad.
He's just a real stupid redneck nazi
Freikorps leaders symbolically gave their old battle flags to Hitler's Sturmabteilung (SA) and Schutzstaffel (SS) on November 9, 1933 in a huge ceremony.
The Freikorps fought the communists, and very few gave their loyalty to the Nazis.
Whereas the Grand Mufti thought Hitler was a damn fine human being.
You walked right into that. Moron.
As a passionate antisemite,[3][4]al-Husayni encouraged his followers to "kill the Jews wherever you find them".[5] During World War II, he collaborated with the Nazis[6] and, in 1941, met the Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler in Germany.[7] He asked Hitler to back Arab independence and requested that Nazi Germany oppose the establishment in Palestine of a Jewish national home as part of the Pan-Arab struggle.[8]According to an American report, al-Husayni energetically recruited Muslims for the Waffen-SS, the Nazi Party's elite military command. He was promised the leadership of Palestine after German troops had driven out the British and exterminated the Jews living there.[9] This would have meant the deaths of over 350,000 people. At the end of the war, he was allowed to flee to Syria as part of an attempt to prevent the alienation of Middle Eastern regimes.[9]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Amin_al-Husayni
And while we are at it, perhaps you can explain your obvious bigotry of equating a centuries old German word to Nazism. Why would you do that?
Further: Hey! Weren't you the one last night saying how bitchin Soros is? I'm starting to see a pattern.
Like shooting fish in a barrel. heh.
Thomas Jefferson had his own run in with Islam:
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They asked him (muslim abassador) by what right he extorted money and took slaves in this way. As Jefferson later reported to Secretary of State John Jay, and to the Congress:
Medieval as it is, this has a modern ring to it. Abdrahaman did not fail to add that a commission paid directly to Tripoli—and another paid to himself—would secure some temporary lenience. I believe on the evidence that it was at this moment that Jefferson decided to make war on the Muslim states of North Africa as soon as the opportunity presented itself."
http://www.slate.com/id/2157314/
Thats ironic and hypocritical knowing that Jefferson owned slaves.
When did he practice piracy against North African states?
When did he take muslim free men and make them slaves?
When did he hide behind his religion to justify piracy, kidnapping and murder?
He bought slaves that were in Africa that were originally free men. He had sex with his slaves which could be construed as rape since they didn't have a choice in the matter. Look how the U.S. cheated, manipulated, killed, and stole from the Indians. Yes you are right he didn't hide behind his religion because I'm sure his religion supported all these things.
Actually, it would be hard to be against his religion since he didn't really have one.
What is notable is how far we've come since then, and how they haven't changed much at all.
Its hard to change with sanctions constricting revenue and access. Imposed on them since 1979. If the U.S. really cared about democracy, freedom and threats to our nation then we should have overthrown Saudi Arabia (how many hijackers were from there) , Pakistan (nuclear weapons and a large poulation of extremists) , and many African countries which have commited a multitude of atrocities. It matters not what type of regime is in power as long as they play ball with the U.S., IMF, and World Bank. We have supported brutal oppresive regimes and overthrew democratically elected leaders when it suited our causes. If we really cared and helped countries I would be all for intervention, but that isn't the case if you look at history.
A done job is a job done. Clearly, not that much left to steal from the Indians. That is how much the US have come since then...
Does not mean the US is not at stealing blind who is left to be stolen from.
Many of the various and diverse Indians were stone age peoples when the europeans arrived in the Americas. Ergo, they didn't have much to steal even at the time. Two of those Indian groups that had progressed to farming were extraordinarily brutal and barbaric theocratic empires. I'm thinking of the Incas and the Aztecs. Today their descendants have, oh, plumbing, anti-biotics, favorite soccer teams, reliable shelter, roads, stuff like that. Personally I am 1/16th Cherokee, so that 1/16th of me lives better than any Indian ever dreamed of living, and I'm currently between jobs. The synthetic bathrobe I'm wearing as I type this on a "computer" is more comfortable than any garment existing before it, and it took maybe three hours of labor (after taxes) to pay for it. It might last a decade of daily use. My rifle is accurate to 1 MOA and the rounds are deady to game out to a thousand yards...i.e. it exceeds my capabilities, and needles to say with good care will outlive me. My leather loin cloth on the other hand, flint knife, hand hewn bow and arrow, and war feathers, can barely survive one halloween.
Incas and Aztecs lets move up to the U.S. where the Indians taught us how to plant crops, survive the harsh winters, and how to fight the British. We gave them smallpox, whiskey, and destroyed their culture. Yes we have many wonderful inventions that make life easier which could have come without all the negative consequences of polluting and destroying the planet.
Thats ironic and hypocritical knowing that Jefferson owned slaves.
Hypocritical is not the worst trait. You know lions will eat zebra without exposing their own to be eaten in turn by the the zebra.
Is this hypocritical?
You may think you are funny, but I doubt you have ever been bitten by a horse. They can bite really hard.
Hey Stern Ganger:
For other supporters of Nazis, see Henry Ford, Walt Disney, Thomas Watson, and practically ALL of your best buddies in the world, the banker-gangsters.
Rodent
Of course if the Iranians attacked the U.S. I would defend myself and family in the U.S., but that is not likely. Finding the cause behind the action would enable you to resolve the problem granted that is your purpose, but instead you will eat all the propaganda and then ask for seconds. I don't support the present regime and would rather the Iranian people rectify this instead of the U.S. installing a regime to their liking. Before this it was Saddam was going to attack us, that was very unlikely but due to the propaganda people like you bought it and billions if not trillions of dollars later look where we are. Thousands of dead young soldiers and civilians was it worth it? Go back to listening to Rush Limbaugh.
I will happily kill anyone trying to harm my nation
Well you can start with the politicians, FED, banks, and corporations.
It is entirely appropriate to respond to those who attack our interests abroad as if they attacked the homeland.
Saddam asked for his fate over many years.
Our mistake in Iraq was in NOT imposing a regime, but trying to get opposing tribes to vote on one. Silly in hindsight, but hey, the PC crowd has never been quick on the uptake.
I think, if you really cared to research it, you'd find the victim of propaganda is you.
What interests would those be? The oil in Iraq? When Mossaddegh was democratically elected then overthrown by a U.S. covert operation we installed a puppet regime in Iran with the Shah at the head. That really worked out well. The hostage crisis and the overthrow of the Shah was a result of that. Not to mention the past 2+ decades of no relations and making another enemy. Our mistake in Iraq is being there. The likleyhood of Saddam attacking the U.S. was the same as you winning powerball.
I think, if you really cared to research it
I have and I find your arguments lacking.
Crazy huh?
The Iranian overthrew the Shah for a theocracy.
Bet they wish they hadn't.
What would've happened if we didn't overthrow Mossadegh? The Iranian people probably would've been a lot happier and weathier. BP (controlled by the British government at the time) would still be there making money instead of nothing even though they would have had their profit margin slashed. The world would have a healthier supply of oil. Maybe they would be our allies instead of enemies and a democracy instead of a theocracy. Who knows?
We'll never know what might have been.
All we can do is deal with the situation on the ground, now.
Maybe if we knock down the mullahs, Iran could have real democracy.
Persians are different, I think. They might actually take to democracy and make it shine.
I'm definitely not an expert on the middle east / north africa so tend to read those who are. And from what I've read over the years, there seems to be one "history" presented in Western media which may be spun in various directions. People I read to better understand the ME include:
http://www.juancole.com/
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/
The Zionist Eretz Israel fanatics - willing to kill millions of Palestinians to steal some 'holy' land - is the real doomsday cult.
Their little invisible sky-goblin says kill Palestinian grandmothers is a holy act.
Yet you like bankrolling them because of your Islamophobia.
I approve this message
fuck you statist islam loving christian hating pricks
by Rodent Freikorpson Sat, 04/09/2011 - 17:45
#1153850
Hey, dipshit...
Iran would want America's death even if Israel did not exist. Until we bend a knee to Islam, we are their enemy.
If you like your daughter free, you will oppose them.
If you do not, fuck you.
iraq vs. BLACK SWAN
meanwhile
Ivory Coast mercenaries 'are burning people alive'http://bit.ly/goJ3Aq
I'm waiting for Jessie Jackson, or Al Sharpton, or Rev. Wright to tell me what I should think about that.
Which side are the mercs on? the last I read, the glorious UN-backed rebels hacked 1,000 people to death.
UN backed muslim rebels.
Just sayin...
Yes, Tyler, you called it, nice going. I have to say I always thought the story was far from over. There's far too much at stake and far too many people with conflicting interests involved. Egypt could easily devolve in to civil war. It only gets uglier from here. Yemen could easily go the same way.
Reports of demonstrations are trickling our of Saudi again, stories mostly silenced in the US media which of course makes me suspicious there's something to it.
Taken all together, we could end up with the mother of all oil supply disruptions. Worse than the embargo of 1973 for several reasons: at least back then the governments were stable dictatorships with compliant citizens. And of course the US and the world were far less dependent on oil imports. Stay tuned.
Sorry No Gas
http://oi54.tinypic.com/avhpfk.jpg
How long do ya think it would take for mile long lineups, fights etc once the rumors start
1. arab government falls due to higher food prices
2. oil prices rice
3. food prices rice
4. go to 1
LoL. Better luck next time twitter/facebook generation.
And before anyone calls me a bitter old man, i'm under 30 : P
The Twitter generation can kiss my ass.
They voted for this abomination of an administration by a huge percentage.
Wishful thinkers get no compassion from me.
"They told me if I voted for McCain, we would be in another war, and the world would melt down, and they were right."
America asked for this. Everything Obama is was known BEFORE the election. If you voted for him, you have no excuse.
Suck it up. This is exactly what you voted for.
And if you were stupid enough to vote for Tweedledee McCain --- this is ALSO exactly what you voted for.
We'll never know.
What I do know is that the Obama sold by the MFM is a fraud.
And 80% of registered Dems approve of the job he is doing.
There would be a difference if we could somehow get the North East of the US to pull their collective heads from their asses long enough to vote out the RINOs.
Independents decided the election, and from what I can tell, their entire political philosophy boils down to "What's in it for me?"
How's that working out for you, you supra-geniuses?
Nazi Rat.
You will be sucking a Capitalist pig's dick soon enough (which will be your only enjoyment in your pitiful meaningless life.)
Say hello the the mullahs for me will you?
Tell them I'm long pork bellies this week.
Freikorp is not a Nazi.
Hitler wanted any of them, who would not swear allegiance to him, dead. He killed quite a few of them in fact. He has taken the name for a purpose (which is for him to disclose or not)...and no one bothered to check ;-)
But he's clearly not a Nazi.
Don't expect a low IQ chimp like Muir to know anything about history. Anyone who doesn't agree with him is a big bad evil Nazi or racist. these leftist chimps don't need the facts. They simply play the race card
Oh there's plenty of wanna be Nazi's on this web site
I'm apalled at the "kill the jews" crowd that swarms every Israel thread
Only a Muiron would expect to be taken seriously while representing himself with a a pair of jiggling tits
Nazi? Rodent isn't even close. Comment's like calling Rodent a redneck should be watched very close IMO. You never know how some will take being called a redneck there, chick with a dick.
Rodent, defend our soil you ask? When and if shit does hit the fan at home, it will happen hard and fast.
'nam vet slewie doesn't agree w/ everything fellow Rodent F sez, but i value him highly as a zero, i.e., for what he actually sez! he's no slouch in the brain between the ears, and i have learned a thing or two worth knowing and understanding from him, also, as from others, right in this string, also. i, too, do not see RF as a nazi, for what it's worth.
if i might editorialize: once we get a sense for the heart and mind of a person, here, the fact that no two zeros are exactly alike helps us, hopefully, to experience whatever the hell is meta-happening to us and among us, in a positive and engaging manner; not by trying to scratch a true colleague's fukin eyes out over the damned ME, NA, or something.
McCain did a better job of sounding like an Islamophobe during the campaign.
So the Freikorps gave him money.
Is the Egypt timing really all that surprising with even Baradei threatening war -
“In case of any future Israeli attack on Gaza, as the next president of Egypt, I will open the Rafah border crossing and will consider different ways to implement the joint Arab defense agreement."
The Syrian side is also being brought to a boil while Netanyahu threatens war and the Gaza bombing escalates. All this while a group of former defense officials lays out a...nother "peace" plan
What's wrong with these Egyptians? Don't they like the puppet government that the US gave them? What's wrong with having the head liaison of the CIA's renditions program, as the head of your country... a little torture never hurt anyone, did it?
Could it be someone in Egypt woke up and realized American Imperialism was as bad as a dictator?
The Egyptians are too sheisty to ever be controlled...when violence is part of your culture and faith like it is in the Middle East, conditions will never be peaceful no matter who is in charge.
www.forecastfortomorrow.com
Sorry Tyler
That is not the whole story. Egyptians were remembering 8th April 1970 when Israelis bombed an elementary school full of children in Egypt killing many children and maiming many more.
Thousands of Egyptians marched from the square to the Israeli Embassy, demanding that the current military government end diplomatic relations with Israel in wake of the recent assault on Gaza by the IDF.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/04/09/dr-ashraf-ezzat-israeli-embassy-in-cairo-under-siege/Alan Sabrosky, a Director of the website, is an active writer for the "Intifada Palestine" website (as well as above mentioned Debbie Menon). See them here:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/contact/staff-writers/
http://www.intifada-palestine.com/about-us/
See what real veterans think about this website:
"... Veterans Today engages in lazy journalism, fails to verify anything, alters the timeline, and then uses that to bash Veterans Service Organizations... "
Taken from: http://burnpit.legion.org/2010/04/veterans-today-inaccuracies-and-slande...
Bottom-line: this website is created to deliberately damage image of American Army Veterans.
Look who's talking.
Majority of articles in the "Israel" section are by Debbie Menon - Dubai based Palestine propagandist. Excerpt from her "about me" page (http://mycatbirdseat.com/about-4/):
The BurnPit link is bad, try this one: http://burnpit.legion.org/2010/04/veterans-today-inaccuracies-and-libel-against-veterans-service-organizations
Would you care to comment on those accusations?
a well prepared rebuttal
I have decided to focus, and go to war like I mean it.
The time for humor has passed.
I accept your challenge. Let us make war, and may God defend the right.
Typing trash on blog posts with fervent passion.
Yep, you got a pair, tough guy. We're all impressed.
You seem to have a very narrow definition of war.
Read a book.
actually, what you typed is trash
meaningless drivel
school yard name calling & attempted put downs 'cause rodents dad drives a nicer car then your dad
by blunderdogon Sat, 04/09/2011 - 20:59
#1154131
Typing trash on blog posts with fervent passion.
Yep, you got a pair, tough guy. We're all impressed.
What are you, his bitch?
I don't care about the bullshit, the annoying part is the quantity. These boards don't benefit from 20-30 post long pissing matches.
If you have nothing valuable to say, that's fine, just speak LESS.
unhhh,...,... b-dog, this is Fight Club, ok? i understand yer sentiments, bro, but i don't appreciate yer bitchy li'l attempt to impose yer needs for censorship of any kind ("benefits" after 20-30 posts allowed in a fight, er, "pissing match"?), on zH. speak LESS?!?!?
sorry, charlie, we want tunas who understand and value NO limits on speech, here, k?
I can't impose any censorship, you drivel-peddling slush-brain.
I'm telling him he's an asshole, and wishing he'd shut the fuck up. Nobody gave me any kind of delete button.
Go back to pulling tubes and your stream of consciousness blather and don't waste your valuable time cursing at me. I know the score.
With love, you fuck. If we're gonna do it, may as well do it right.
Rodent kicked your ass grasshopper, buh bye now
Sorry, but your dislike for a website because it opposes Zionist Apartheid doesn't change history, nor does it change the protesters agenda.
The protesters were making this point all week, and the decision by Apartheid Israel to gun down a bunch of civilians only added fuel to the protest itself.
Your Islamophobia is blinding.
Yeah...maybe if Hamas wouldn't use anti-tank weapons on school buses this latest round of indignant Egyptian marching would have never happened.
"GAZA (Reuters) - Fighting flared in Gaza on Thursday after a Palestinian anti-tank missile hit an Israeli school bus, wounding two, and Israeli forces retaliated with planes and artillery, killing five Palestinians."...April 7 2011.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/two-injured-gaza-mortar-israel-hits-back-20110407-061935-718.html
Something new we will be hearing more about as events unfold...the "Iron Dome" missile defense system.
How many Palestinians did Apartheid Israel bomb to death this week?
How many civilians did Palestinians in resistance kill?
"How many Palestinians did Apartheid Israel bomb to death this week?"
Clearly, not enough of the ones shooting at them.
"How many civilians did Palestinians in resistance kill?"
Well, that's the thing isn't it?
Palestinians (Hamas, until recently the PLO) target civilians as well as military. They don't distinguish between the two.
If Israel had a mind to, they could wipe Gaza off the face of the earth and scatter the population to the four corners of the earth...but they don't.
Therein lies the difference.
The border crossing of Rafjah was closed by the Egyptians because of weapons smuggling. Now they tunnel around the area to bring the weapons into Gaza. The general Palestinian population suffer supply shortages because of this. These are indisputable facts dude.
Do you really think if attacks on Israel ceased tomorrow these strikes would continue and the border crossing would remain closed by the Egyptians?
They ain't goin away son...you better get used to the idea of an Israeli state surrounded by enemies...they have.
Typical response from an antisemitic defender of Zionist ethnic cleansing and apartheid.
Rather than acknowledge Apartheid Israel as Murder, Inc., spit rhetoric.
You didn't answer either question, right?
Furthermore, the land-grabbing Apartheid colony "had the mind" to destroy Hamas during Cast Lead, and their little soldiers got about 10 feet into Gaza before the Palestinian Resistance sent them back to their mommies.
Think about that - they can't even invade a prison! Hizbullah destroyed them 2 years earlier. Their little army without soldiers is a joke - all they do is bomb hospitals and kill school children!
The clock is ticking on the Zionist Apartheid state. The United Nations' original sin will soon be undone ...
"You didn't answer either question, right?"
You actually think I was going to waste my time on tit for tat nonsense?...you don't know me very well.
The only clock that's ticking is the impending collapse of Islamic states (and thus funding for this bullshit) across the globe.
Tick tock Ahkmed ;-)
Tyler, "post-Thermidorian" is the word... ;-) and comparing Robespierre to Moubarak is errr... questionable!
Caught that too....
They really need a guy who declares the "Revolution is over".
Mostly rides on a white horse, i have heard.
We won't get clarity on the outcome of events in the MENA for a prolonged time. Because contrary to what MSM want to have you believe this is not about them wanting a Disney World near Medina.
Damn straight! They want a Six Flags too!
The wheel of revolution. You take it on down turn it all around, forget where it started, then you make another round.
MMmmm..mmm...MMmmm
Need to get me one of them yummy(or is that Yummi) china girls on Tylers home page....
I could eat Suzi(or is that sushi) all night...
I voted for Obama, but not naively thinking that we wouldn't be going to war or be in the Middle East any less than we were under Bush. I don't think a majority of voters assumed Obama would keep us out of war, they just thought he would do a better job than McCain and Palin, who ran a horrible campaign.
www.forecastfortomorrow.com
You voted for the pro-war Obama?
How did you come to the conclusion he would be pro-war king?
In what speech did he ever indicate he wanted war with anyone but Afghanistan, or the US?
He didn't really indicate it but the way he speaks, his rhetoric and simply the fact that he's more cognisant of / permeated by foreign cultures made me think he'd be a better overall foreign relations / wartime president than Bush. Even though McCain's a decorated war hero, Obama just has more swagger overseas.
www.forecastfortomorrow.com
"Obama just has more swagger overseas."
ROTFLMAO!!!
Is that before, or after, he stops staring at the King of Saudi Arabia's shoes?
Dude, that shit might get traction amongst idiot college students, but we actually pay attention to the world around us.
You insulted our intelligence with that post.
The revisionist shills from the Center for American Progress are on the loose.
FAIL.
can't hack arguing with rodent can you, yearnformoney?
I don't blame you, the man is coming off pretty sharp tonight.
go join muiron in the name caller time out corner
next
Obama just has more swagger overseas.
I had to look up 'swagger'. For a second, I was thinking "Does it mean bowing low to all he meets?" No.....
I think you should look up 'swagger'.
Obama was elected president because just enough white people can't think their way out of a wet paper bag. As said above, that's mostly the 20-30's set.
Progressive education & media brainwashing....what do you expect.
Yes, vote for the best liar based on his campaign skillz. The new America
well, you got the first part right...been SOP since....oh, say, 1967? Hence, not the "new" USA
It's as if on the first day on the job as President, the POTUS is shown the Zapruder film...
Can someone point out to me the real difference between Reagan-Bush-Clinton
-Bush-Obama? or Summers, Paulson. Geithner, Greenspan, Bernanke?
We have been taken and we shall continue to be taken...until we wake up
No difference, they've all come from the same puppet factory...
and they all have a subliminal vicious streak against The Common Man In The Street...
so---all I can say is..."me cago en todo"
yeah, but it will, like everything else, stop - the question is when and how?
Thats it.....Im buying a cabin in the woods and LOTS of fishing equipment.
I understand Western Canada is quite nice.
http://www.survivalblog.com/retreatareas.html
Maybe we are all in a dream, subjects of an experiment to test the resilience
of the human spirit, its tolerance to deception, its response to progressive
desensitization to harsher conditions of living, like dogs in a humane society
kennel. And then again, maybe not. Maybe it is REAL!!!@ Maybe for GS et al.
we are just simply objects of their curiosity, and this is going to get much
worse before it gets better..that is if we wake up..will we?
Well Franco did die...but then Zapatero came...although I admit there is a
significant difference...is there?
Jesse Ventura has balls...he just called the US the United Fascist States
of you know what...before you know it, he is ending up in the Psych unit..the
American Gulag
The LSM will simply ignore him and nobody will know what he is saying but for a few who pay attention. That's how they handled Ron Paul
Jesse is going all out in this interview I am watching in CNN.
Jesse Ventura and that british dude that interviewed that repulsive rodent Trump
are getting real...
I mean Jesse is gettting real...Piers is all correct and disgusting..
Whoops ... thought you meant this Jesse, which really worries me. The fact that this blogger (not given to hyperbole) is expressing so much concern ....
http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/2011/04/stiglitz-of-1-by-1-and-for-1.html
The military learns quick. Why would a "counter revolutionary" group meet in Tahrir square to demand corruption charges against Mubarak? A convienant rebranding of the protesters as a pretext to torture and execute the youth of Eygpt.
so the egyptian military says (on their facebook page, too!) that these were pro-mubarak counter-revolutionaries.
aljazeera sez: Hundreds of protesters demanding that Hosni Mubarak, the former Egyptian president, be put on trial for alleged corruption, have retaken Cairo's iconic Tahrir Square, hours after security forces attempted to disperse them, in a clash that killed at least one person.
well! there are two VERY different versions of what is happening! here's a freelance report via aljazeera: Groups of protesters rallying around the southeast corner of the square threw bottles and possibly petrol firebombs at riot police, Michelle May, a freelance journalist, told Al Jazeera.
eyewitness notes possible firebombs! write that down!
but, wait! The military in a statement released through the state MENA news agency, said that security forces were attempting to enforce a 2am to 5am (local time) curfew. AND: Elements from the interior ministry along with some noble citizens confronted the riotous actions and enforced the curfew without any losses," the statement read.
ok: we got counter-revolutionary pro-mubarak instigators who somehow got the crowd all jacked up to bring mubarak to justice for corruption. nobody seems to know where hosni is, BUT: the people in the street stayed out past the curfew, so it had to be enforced and was, too, without losses, and with the help of law-abiding citizens, also, apparently, out past curfew, themselves!
tyler's George Burns to the military's Gracie Allen: At least they did not blame the snow. In the meantime inquiring minds want to know: just how many of the CIA boots on the ground currently in Libya were positioned there after "completing" their job in neighboring Egypt...
and that's just where we started, after tyler points out he knew this would happen, too, of course.
i think it might be fun to re-read everything here, but maybe not so wise to do so quite yet...
Just remember where the repression apparatus in Egypt got its training...
which one? mubarak's? the military's? the pro-mubarak counter revolutionaries'? the people up past curfew enforcing the curfew on others who are up past the curfew? the moslem brotherhood's? the CIA's? what are you talking about? something you "learned" from the MSM?
Denial is just not a democracy in Egypt.
we have a saying in macedonia : to leave kurto and come murto . I guess they didn't liked murto either
Yes, dodging gubberment bullets in Tahir Square is not asmuch fun as Dodge Ball. Sad stuff. No end in sight and watch the price of precious oil go to $220 as Nomura predicts.
What I don't understand is why Americans are not talking revolution against the federal tyranny. We see people in the Middle East dying to have a better life for their children, but nothing here.
Good point. As I pay extra money in taxes this year for breathtaking percentages I want to hit someone. I want to fight, but there is nothing concrete there. I think the answer to your question has many parts. The basics in my thinking are (1)we are prosperous and we don't want to give up what we have. (2)We get singled out by government and publicy prosecuted and made an example, i.e. try not paying your taxes or just what YOU think is fair and see what happens. (3)Many like and prosper from the federal tyranny, e.g. public unions, welfare recipients, farmers, sugar growers, etc. (4)We fundamentally still believe in order and the system and want/hope to make changes in the normal pluralistic way.
I like number 4 myself but I am not an optimist any more.
"(3)Many like and prosper from the federal tyranny, e.g. public unions, welfare recipients, farmers, sugar growers, etc."
Farmers. Sugar growers. Really?
How bout speculators, bankers, corporate officers, police officers, and the (ever expanding) list of worthless government employees (air marshals, snitches, "intelligence agencies" etc)?!
This is definitely worthy of a "I told you so!" moment for ZH and anyone else who doubts the revolutionary nature of middle eastern revolutions. They fundamentally have a culture that will not support a pluarlistic government. Does anyone doubt that if we went into Libya and removed King Qadhaffi that another one would replace him...not to mention six months later it would still be "Death to America!", "Death to Israel!", "Death to the West!"???
What is interesting is that most of the Middle East and even Africa probably had more prosperity, order and freedom (as individuals) when they were colonies. On their own they have done little to improve their lot.
So in Egypt one general replaces another. Is anyone horribly surprised? Even a civilian president would have to be supported by the military. Visibly or invisibly they rule.
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I have to say I always thought the story was far from over. There's far too much at stake and far too many people with conflicting interests involved. Egypt could easily devolve in to civil war. It only gets uglier from here. Yemen could easily go the same way.
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The first thing in the morning ZH read makes me wonder? Is the confidence and faith in the Government and Media so destroyed that it can not be rebuilt? Not to say that I believe any one of the sons of bitches. Just sayin that some how some way, trust has to be re-invented.
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