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Egypt Spy Chief Omar Soliman Named Vice President

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Some developing news out of Egypt, where president Mubarak has just appointed Omar Soliman as vice president. This is a notable event as it is the first time since 1981 that Egypt has a Vice President, indicating just how much of a pseudo-dictatorial system the Mubarak regime has been. We are rather confident that the people will not be all that excited about getting the former head of the country's intelligence (read spying) service as the second in command. And just like in Russia during the Yeltsin-Putin succession, we are confident that Mubarak will promptly fade from the scene as soon as Soliman gives him reps and warranties (preferably better than those by Bank of America) that he will not be prosecuted. Incidentally, the last time Egypt had a VP was when Anwar Al Sadat appointed Mubarak as VP. Al Sadat was assassinated shortly thereafter.

Below is Soliman's bio from Wikipedia (already updated for his promotion):

Early life and education

Suleiman was born in Qena in Southern Egypt. He left Qena for Cairo in 1954, at the age of nineteen, to enroll in Egypt's prestigious Military Academy. He received additional military training in the former Soviet Union at Moscow's Frunze Military Academy. Furthermore, he holds bachelors and master degrees in Political Science from Ain Shams and Cairo
Universities in the mid-1980s. Suleiman was transferred to military
intelligence, where he began what was to be a long relationship between Egypt and the United States.

Egyptian intelligence career

Suleiman became the director of military intelligence in 1991.

Chief of Intelligence Office

Suleiman became the chief of Egyptian Intelligence in 1993. His name
has become known only in the last years, breaking the tradition of
keeping the name of the Egyptian head of Intelligence a secret known
only to top government officials. It was released in the media around
2000. Suleiman has acquired a more public profile while trying to broker
a deal between the different armed Palestinian groups vying for power
in Gaza as the top presidential envoy from President Hosni Mubarak as well as brokering deals or truces between the Palestinians and Israel.
His perceived role in negotiations between Palestinian groups gave him
the image of an effective behind-the-scenes figure in the Egyptian
government as well as identifying him as potentially useful to foreign
governments such those of the Arab countries, Israel, the Palestinians and the United States.

Future political role

In recent years, due to his role in the regional political scene and the lack of an alternative candidate acceptable to Hosni Mubarak,
some have speculated that Suleiman will succeed Mubarak as President,
or at least become a Vice-President. Neither Suleiman nor the National
Democratic Party spoke of this or commented on any future political role
for Suleiman.

On January 29 2011, he was named vice-president during the January revolution.



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Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:38 | 915912 Oh regional Indian
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And it gets stranger and stranger.

Anyone imagine Chetroff or Gates as VP of the US of A?

Clearer than ever that this is according to a plan.

Can you imagine waving a redder flag to an already furious populace?


Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:46 | 915927 Arch Duke Ferdinand
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"Can you imagine waving a redder flag to an already furious populace?"

...Which is why Vancouver BC Canada is the World's Best Safe Haven...

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:35 | 916043 Careless Whisper
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well the first thing mister soleman will do is turn facebook back on so he can do some data mining.


Sat, 01/29/2011 - 13:52 | 916221 Malcolm Tucker
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+10 you got that right.

Here is a video of the Saudi Protest today !!

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:38 | 915917 Catullus
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Over/under on 5 days?

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:44 | 915922 Boilermaker
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The line just changed to 3 days and is now circled.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:59 | 915953 Seasmoke
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Why who is out on injury ?

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:01 | 915960 Boilermaker
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38 peasants.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 14:09 | 916266 tickhound
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Remember when placing ure bets...
good coaches win, great coaches cover.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:44 | 915921 Boilermaker
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There is truly no hope for the Middle East.  These people are so completely inable to stop the blatant cronyism that it's laughable.  Granted, it's pervasive in the West also...but, shit, at least we try to mask it somewhat.  The Middle East is just pathetic.  Even the terrorists are dunces (thankfully).  Every single attempt to do anything of any level of sophistication results in a joke.

If the Middle East didn't have oil, it would be nothing more than a kitty litter box.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:55 | 915946 fuu
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"These people are so completely inable to stop the blatant cronyism that it's laughable.  Granted, it's pervasive in the West also...but, shit, at least we try to mask it somewhat.  The Middle East is just pathetic." 

We try to mask it? What kind of fantasy world do you fucking live in? Hating moron.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:00 | 915955 Boilermaker
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Oh, right, I must have missed all of the achievements and developments of the Middle East over the last 1,000 years.  They have but one item, oil, which happens to have been found under their feet.

If you wish to take your info from Bagdad Bob(s), go right ahead.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:10 | 915980 That Peak Oil Guy
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They make really great rugs.


Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:46 | 916066 Boilermaker
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To be fair, the hummus is decent also.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:14 | 915993 tickhound
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Not defending current middle east scientific-socio-economic contributions... but "1000 years" u say? Dude, u are misinformed. Keeping it short, read up on what returning europeans said following the crusades regarding the sophistication of mathematics and astronomy (which they regarded as blasphemy) in the middle east.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:49 | 916070 Boilermaker
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The Crusades were ~ 900 years ago.  If you want to hang me for that, fine.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 13:16 | 916135 tickhound
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Not hanging u or junking u, just informing u. Crusades only the beginning... advancements that helped spark even the italian Renaissance are well documented. From architecture to gunpowder to rocketry to medicine to astrophysics the list goes on... in some cases all the way into the 17th century. Middle eastern contributions heavily influenced famous europeans and are referenced by them.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 13:45 | 916200 Boilermaker
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BTW, my point was about the governance in the Middle East including the religeous zealots.  Of course, most people can't handle that and have to blurr it into a racial / ethnicity arguement.

I'm 110% in favor of the what the citizens of Tunisia and Egypt are doing.

That being said, the Middle East has been unbelievably suppressed by their own regimes for so long that it's difficult to change now.  I don't see the point in arguing the value of ancient contributions.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 14:06 | 916255 tickhound
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Fair enough... just keep in mind most of these regimes are "western approved".. irony is that "freedom and democracy" is the last thing western powers want there for obvious reasons.. no matter what our "leaders" proclaim. One can reference post ww1 and ww2 to see who actually dictated the future and current middle eastern borders and regimes. All to chase that finite resource we call oil. Side note... as we condemn and are distracted by the internet and cell shutdown, our leaders await the passing of similar legislation and make similar preparations. Egyptian internet is run by british corp Vodafone... and the shut down would not be possible without this corporate help. All this could be a trial run testing citizen reaction who the fuck knows. Nothing surprises me anymore.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:34 | 916039 snowball777
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I guess you've never heard of mathematics or medicine...which would explain a great deal about your opinions about economics and healthcare.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:47 | 916067 Boilermaker
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Great advances in science, mathematics, and medicine have come from the Middle East in the last 1,000 years?  Really?  Which ones?

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:55 | 916083 snowball777
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Do your own homework.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 13:15 | 916133 Boilermaker
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There's no need to 'do homework' on facts that don't exist. 

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 13:54 | 916224 snowball777
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I'm sorry. Was your ignorant ass saying something?

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 14:00 | 916242 sushi
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+ 3600

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 14:06 | 916258 downwiththebanks
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Game over.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 14:16 | 916278 Boilermaker
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Are you fucking serious?  You provide a wiki dump and proclaim victory?

Yes, my "ignorant ass" is saying that you are wrong.  I can find 100 accomplishments from the hills of West Virginia but that doesn't mean that they aren't backwards.

Fucking ass, you are steaming pile of stupidity.  But, at least you've managed to garner the respect of two other stooges.  Congratulations, I'm sure you ladies can sit around and discuss the power and savvy of the Middle East all weekend.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 14:39 | 916336 snowball777
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All developments from the ME within the last 1000 years. Cry all you want, loser, but that won't change the fact that these people were doing surgery and calculus while your ancestors were giving each other the plague and burning "witches".

It's more than a little ironic that your empire will fall for the same reasons theirs did.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 14:47 | 916365 Boilermaker
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It's more than a little ironic that your empire will fall for the same reasons theirs did.

LMAO, hey pal, if it makes you feel better on the inside and you can somehow justify just how FUCKED UP the Middle East is, that's fine with me.  Trying to data mine accomplishments that are several centuries old and cling to them is well...


Sat, 01/29/2011 - 15:01 | 916395 snowball777
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I'm not 'clinging' to anything...just refuting your ignorant statements (and easily too).

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 15:11 | 916415 Boilermaker
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No, no,  Never.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 15:34 | 916459 snowball777
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Out of any statements beyond sarcastic bullshit? You? Never!

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 21:55 | 917174 Hephasteus
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Oh big deal. In the west. IBM invented the mechanical tabulator. Sold it to every government. This technology allowed social security which gave us the most massive rippoff ponzi the world has ever seen. We are much more creative. As long as the creativity is centered around creating counterfeit money.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 13:04 | 916106 Terminus C
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Read God's Crucible by David Lewis.  It talks about the reconquest of Spain.  Indeed it is at the back end of your "thousand years" comment but you clearly demonstrate your ignorance of the importance of islamic culture in regards to the tenological development of Europe and the world.  The same can be said for European understanding of Chinese contribution.  1421 and 1434 by Gavin Menzies are good introductions.

Interestingly Ghengis Khan is believed to be, by many historians, the prime cause of decline of Muslim civilization.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 13:09 | 916116 dark pools of soros
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anything left in the library of alexandria?

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 13:39 | 916185 Boilermaker
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Not in the last 1,000 years.  They burnt it know, to prove to themselves that they themselves are the most bestest.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 20:49 | 917049 Rusty Shorts
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damn, you're on a roll tonight.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 13:20 | 916148 Boilermaker
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There's nothing 'ignorant' about my comment.  The Middle East has been ridiculous failure for a millenium.  Now, if we want to go back to the birth of Jesus Christ...and when man wasn't walking upright and dragging around clubs...

I'd love to know more about the "importance of islamic culture in regards to the technological develepment of Europe and the world".

If you want to buy the world a coke, fine with me.  But, that doesn't make it true.  It just makes it feel better.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 13:55 | 916229 snowball777
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You seem happy with your head in the sand. We sincerely hope that running around with your eyes jammed shut makes you "feel better".


Sat, 01/29/2011 - 14:19 | 916292 Boilermaker
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<rolling eyes>

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 15:02 | 916397 snowball777
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<laughing and shaking head>

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 15:09 | 916412 Boilermaker
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Be careful, don't shake off that diaper on your head.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 15:35 | 916462 snowball777
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I honestly feel sorry for you. I have no idea what it must be like to go through life so fucking dumb.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 16:06 | 916549 Boilermaker
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Shut the fuck up and get your shine box.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 17:27 | 916710 snowball777
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And leave you unemployed? You're too old to start sucking dick for fiat again.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 13:10 | 916119 AnAnonymous
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Great advances like what? The Space program fiasco? You know, the program that should provide us with a new frontier to pionneer so we can maintain  the US expansionist model, delivering a new space to increase the inputs to the economy.

Result: it has increased the outputs of Earth economy toward the Space.

Giant leap toward, toward, well, toward depletion of resources.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 13:16 | 916138 Boilermaker
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You can't be fucking serious.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 13:06 | 916112 dark pools of soros
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does a pimp need to work??  pimp got bitches..  ragheads got oil.. so get back working for that oil and making medicine for fake problems and filming mall rats for entertainment

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 13:46 | 916208 Boilermaker
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Gator ain't no pimp.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:46 | 915925 Aristophanes
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Wow! Head spy being made VP. 

The only thing worse would be making the head of the CIA President

...oh wait.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:50 | 915934 Rick Masters
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The equivilent would be the NSA not CIA. The CIA are a bunch of pencil, pushing least the ones in Langley. I mean now, George H. Bush was apparently a pretty tough dude.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:55 | 915945 Boilermaker
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Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:47 | 915929 EscapeKey
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Thousands of people in Jordan have taken to the streets in protests, demanding the country's prime minister step down, and the government curb rising prices, inflation and unemployment.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:01 | 915949 tickhound
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"...and the government curb rising prices, inflation, and unemployment"

As our 24 hour mainstream continues to sell these stories as moves toward "democracy and freedom"

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:00 | 915954 Salinger
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Have you noticed that many of the "experts" framing this crisis on AJ and CNN are from Brookings

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:08 | 915973 EscapeKey
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Interesting point. I haven't watched CNN, but AJ's coverage is pretty good - this could really put AJ on the collective conscience here in the Western world. Anyway, I briefly switched to BBC News, but it was (predictably) peppered with the usual propagandist images reminding us good sheeple how we should interpret the situation.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 13:24 | 916159 spongeBOB
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Take a look at flag these people are waving...Isalmists, communists and baathists.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:53 | 915943 Beatscape
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The irony of the "people's revolt" is that rather than a dictator in the form of a Western puppet, they will end up with the Islamic Republic of Egypt where people are stoned to death for minor infractions and the despot Islamic ruler outlaws Christianity and incites the public to attack Israel. Careful what you ask for--the Shiites are slowly taking over the middle east. That's what "democracy" will bring.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:05 | 915966 GDE
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Saddly, that's exactly what will happen. The result will be the same in Tunisia.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:12 | 915983 downwiththebanks
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In anti-Semitic Apartheid Israel, people are tortured and murdered for being born on land stolen by a bunch of genocidal ethnic cleansers.

And you're an apologist.  And so really, how much credibility to do have?

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:19 | 916003 swmnguy
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There are almost no Shi'ites in Egypt.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:26 | 916006 Hammurabi
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wow Beatscape i think you are the only one who realy knows what is going on, yes Iran taking over

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 13:09 | 916118 Salinger
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It is important to understand that there are political and religious connections that intersect. I think that the term Islamist is perhaps a better term as it captures the political wing of Islam crossing over the religious distinctions of Sunni and Shia to create a common bond.  Case in point is the affiliation of Hamas (Sunni) with Iran (Shia). 

The group you want to pay attention to in all of this is the Muslim Brotherhood, which is an Islamist organiztion who in my view will attempt to capitalize on the crisis in Egypt.  Watch Jordan where MB is strong.


Sat, 01/29/2011 - 13:14 | 916128 AnAnonymous
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Their options are indeed extremely limited. All those people wish for a government that supports their interests. The Western world can only endure a government that is pro Western interests.

As the West can not suffer divergence of interests, egyptian options are reduced to anti western options. Very hard for them to come out with something else. Even if they try the democratic path, their government wont be labelled democratic by the democratic countries gang. Because it would hurt western world's interests.

Well known process of radicalization.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 14:10 | 916267 sushi
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Your comment bears repeating:

Their options are indeed extremely limited. All those people wish for a government that supports their interests. The Western world can only endure a government that is pro Western interests.

As the West can not suffer divergence of interests, egyptian options are reduced to anti western options. Very hard for them to come out with something else. Even if they try the democratic path, their government wont be labelled democratic by the democratic countries gang. Because it would hurt western world's interests.

Well known process of radicalization.


Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:56 | 915947 Eureka Springs
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Seems much more likely the military would follow his orders to turn on the people of Egypt.


This must have been our idea. After all it's exactly what both our neo-libs and neo0cons would want.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:03 | 915958 Arius
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this is Mubarak's sputnik moment...he is TBTF, and if he is allowed to fail it will start the dominoes in the ME.  Everyone will say the Emperor has no clothes.

The failure of TBTF in the political arena will be followed by Too Big and Insolvent to fall in the financial know Vikram Pandit, Johny Mack (the multitasker) and the rest of the crew...thats why it is a sputnik moment


Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:07 | 915971 Boilermaker
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The key event in the rioting was the unwillingness of the military and police to act against their own citizenry.  The people have a window to force the change and take it down.  Will they actually go through with it or stop far short?  Probably the latter, unfortunately.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:13 | 915988 Arius
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at some point things get out of control and we might have already passed that point...what is happening all over ME seems to support it...soon it will be the rest in asia (pakistan, kashmir etc.)

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:01 | 915961 economists_do_i...
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I wasn't alive at the time, but all of this reminds me a bit of:

On May 4, l970 members of the Ohio National Guard fired into a crowd of Kent State University demonstrators, killing four and wounding nine Kent State students. The impact of the shootings was dramatic. The event triggered a nationwide student strike that forced hundreds of colleges and universities to close. H. R. Haldeman, a top aide to President Richard Nixon, suggests the shootings had a direct impact on national politics.  Beyond the direct effects of the May 4th, the shootings have certainly come to symbolize the deep political and social divisions that so sharply divided the country during the Vietnam War era.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:08 | 915974 Boilermaker
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Echoes of Tiananmen Square also...

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:05 | 915965 ivars
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Jeltsin Putin analogy is good, but not quite, I think this will not stand, since during Jeltsin there was democracy fatique already in Russia, wish for stronger hand , while in Egypt people want democracy, and they will not stop until they get it, and then learn by themselves its pluses and minuses.

It will get worse now, in terms of confrontation.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:07 | 915970 Whalers
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The dictator appoints the "spy chief" to be his successor.......that is just precious.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:09 | 915977 M4570D0N
Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:09 | 915978 Bubbles...bubbl...
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Mubarak appoints vice-president the head spy and foreign negotiator (the guy that basically knows all the secret negotiations with the US, Israel, Saudi-Arabia, etc.). Mubarak steps down. Suleiman is interim president until next election, giving enough time to TPTB to chose the next puppet. All is good. Carry on.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:11 | 915982 b_thunder
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this is an old playbook: if protestests cannot be squashed,  Mubarak will be "retiring" soon and Suliman will take over as "interim" until he gets officially "elected."

in exchange, Mubarak @ family will get free passes out of the countrt with most of the loot,  and will get lifetime "immunity" from domestic prosecution.  off all possible candidates, Suliman is the only one who can guarantee that.  and since Suliman's people have been accused of numerous torture and human rights violations, the Islamic Brotherhood would execute him long before Mubarak!  so, he's got as much if not more to lose than Mubarak himself. Suliman will hold the power, and Mubarak will sail into sunset in a SuezMax boat filled with GOLD!!!!


Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:14 | 915992 downwiththebanks
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Suliman has been helping Mubarak and Apartheid Israel murder Palestinians for many, many years.

No way he makes it through this.




Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:12 | 915984 alexwest
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ppppppppppplease... democracy on MIddle east.. LOL

#wish for stronger hand , while in Egypt people want democracy

you're an American right.. not much knowing about world like Bush Jr..

can you name one country in whole region Afrika/MiddleEast/Asia where democracy exist?

democracy is product of Europe/Saxon/Protestan upbringing... its like black/brown skin ( no offence)
there's no even proper democracy in some south europe countries like Spain/Greece/etc.. they are not cut out for..

read wiki about Franko/spain, black colonels of Greece and etc..

democracy in Egypt... :)))))))) what next space ship and flying to Mars..


Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:19 | 916005 downwiththebanks
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How many billions of people have died on the basis of your fake, stupid 'democracy'?

Calling the dictatorial rule by Capital 'democracy' is a delusion of epic proportions.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 13:17 | 916139 AnAnonymous
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democracy is product of Europe/Saxon/Protestan upbringing... its like black/brown skin ( no offence)
there's no even proper democracy in some south europe countries like Spain/Greece/etc.. they are not cut out for..


The D word sounds like germanic words. Excellent.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:13 | 915986 dwdollar
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I'm surprised a general hasn't gone rogue and taken out this trash yet.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:16 | 915998 downwiththebanks
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Nasser redux.

Apartheid Israel would probably nuke the world if something like that happened!

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:16 | 915997 Hammurabi
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This is Iranian kind of revolution not Tunisian, Tunisia is secular country with secular education, the Muslim brotherhood are weak in Tunisia. In Egypt the Muslim brotherhood are the most powerful opposition they have the support of the majority of the Muslims Egyptians, they have schools, they have hospitals, all fund it by Iran and Arab extremist prince, Hazballah have a strong presence in Egypt, what I m saying is that Egypt is going to the extreme right after this revolution and we might have a civil war between Muslims majorities and other minorities like the Copts.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:17 | 916001 downwiththebanks
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It took the Brotherhood about 3 days to get their ass on the streets.  They needed the go-ahead from their Western masters before doing so.

Barry and the boys on Uncle Sam's plantation are BEGGING for the Brotherhood today.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:22 | 916011 swmnguy
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That's an interesting perspective.  Whose interests are being served?  Real reform is unlikely.  What's more likely is a new regime that can pacify the populace for the foreseeable short-and-medium term.  Just so the Suez Canal stays open until the Saudi oil fields are depleted.  Then who cares, might go the thinking.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:43 | 916061 downwiththebanks
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Oh, I think 'real' reform is very likely.  Maybe not as much as we as individuals would like, but it will happen.

For one, it's going to be hard for any thug or figurehead to be the slave to Uncle Sam and Apartheid Israel with the masses of people, for whom those two bands of gangsters to register a lot of popularity.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:23 | 916015 Hammurabi
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are you real, the muslims brotherhood is the sunit version of the Ayotallh, you have to leave in this countrys to understand what is going on,

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:41 | 916053 downwiththebanks
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The NED has bankrolled the Brotherhood for decades.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:19 | 916004 99er
Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:23 | 916014 spongeBOB
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If you can read the screen caption from Al-Arabiya reporter on the ground and it says:

" People in Suez welcome the appointment of Suleiman as VP"

He is a popular person and non-politician.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:45 | 916031 99er
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The Arab World's Berlin Moment

Fawaz Gerges, professor of Middle Eastern politics and international relations at the London School of Economics

This is the Arab world's Berlin moment. The authoritarian wall has fallen – and that's regardless of whether Mubarak survives or not. It goes beyond Mubarak. The barrier of fear has been removed. It is really the beginning of the end of the status quo in the region. The introduction of the military speaks volumes about the failure of the police to suppress the protesters. The military has stepped in and will likely seal any vacuum of authority in the next few weeks. Mubarak is deeply wounded. He is bleeding terribly. We are witnessing the beginning of a new era.


Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:32 | 916034 doomandbloom
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lets buy some dips in some freakin tradeable item boys..lets make money out of the misery of these people.....and also the people suffering from earthquakes...


show me some charts...what do i need to buy? 



Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:41 | 916052 cosmictrainwreck
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yer on the wrong site..........need to phone LLLLoyd or jamie

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:34 | 916036 Battleaxe
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They're trying the Nixon/Ford maneuver so that Mubarek can step down to deflect the anger of the people and Soliman, the hand picked successor, would pardon Mubarek from any prosecution.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:34 | 916038 cocoablini
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Good observation. Basically, to run an Arab state you need a fascist strongman like Saddam to scare the crap out of everyone. Nobody in egypt scares the revolution...maybe this creep.
If these people want to win, and time is running out before the system comes in and helps these Nazis, they had better ramp up the damage to the police really fast. If they put the police chiefs head on a stick, that would do it.
Because if they lose, like Iran, this guy will hunt everyone down and kill them.
Though, there is no real alternative except a military coup.
What a mess...again.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:35 | 916044 scratch_and_sniff
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There's obviously been some serious bartering between the two ratbag bastards.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:38 | 916045 bankonzhongguo
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Funny how Elbaradei is the only guy spoken about on Al-Jazeera, the only guy given a voice in this mess.  IMF Plant.

There is ZERO coverage of any political party active in Egypt. 

Where's New Wafd?  What is Wafd?  Silence.

Oh.  Of course the Brotherhood is everywhere, especially in the military.  Think of it as a guild and not a political party.  Theirs is 80 year goal is semi-state Sharia.  Sharia and high tech.  Oops.

Elbaradei has no credibility on the street in Cairo.  The West is unable to even reference active political parties in Egypt - 2 dozen.  Face it the same dynamics in Pakistan are at work in Egypt and beyond, with no organized political force to fill the vacuum - except Hizballah - and they're supported by Persians and Baathists.

Obama can't even say "democracy" in a speech let alone a high road declaration that Mubarak should resign.  Meanwhile, the protesters are picking up US made tear gas canisters from the riots.  That won't be forgotten.  The US already has 3 (30) strikes against them.

Regardless of what happens, it is clear a new generation of active open Muslim Brotherhood inside the military will acquire new dominance in Egyptian society, whether its to keep Mubarak in power a year more, or to keep the trains running on time in the power vacuum.

Any nationalistic party/coalition going forward can only establish credibility by exchanging any Western military/financial aid with China.  China would even just give Egypt $10 billion cash to say sorry for the last 30 years.  Who would turn that down?  China wants a industrialized beach head in Africa, whom they consider to be "China's garden." Suez is the icing on the cake.  Relieving the US of the burden of giving military aid, then necessitates re-examining all aspects of the Camp David Accords. 

WHEN Egypt opens the Gaza Ghetto border and establish a normal and regular trade outlet in Al-Arish, that will begin the bigger issue of the international legitimacy of the Palestinian - Israeli conflict.  Whether its next week, October or 2012, will that happen with Jordan, Yeman and Syria (who else?) also as chaotic states?  That should really give pause to the magnitude of change over the horizon.

Considering that Wikileaks is leaking (psyop?) that; " the US is secretly supporting Mubarak's overthrow with unknown/secret persons' and things are headed for this Abyss, Washington may indeed be added to Israel's "zero-azmith" nuke strike defense strategy just for spite.


Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:45 | 916064 downwiththebanks
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The Brotherhood takes their marching orders from the West.  Always have.

That's why they sat this week out for the most part.

Now they're trying to catch up to the revolution.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 13:26 | 916161 bankonzhongguo
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No doubt the Muslim Brotherhood has been infiltrated by Israel, Britain and the the US for decades, but like Pakistan, look at the regional concessions that are doled out - say the ISI/Taliban relationship just to juice up their power. 

Not everyone in the officer corp is touched and as the West fumbles more and more with its financial problems, so too will Islam's prophecy of "western" decline come true.  IF, there is a lifting of the emergency decrees in Egypt and the MB is no longer banned, the formation of an open MB party could be the tail waging the dog.  Any ME operator knows the passive political culture of Egyptians - they are considered the pollacks of the ME - (sorry to anyone from Poland - its not true - its just a historical allegory - who doesn't love smiling busty Polish women).

The army attacks on orders.  Right now they have no orders - just sit around.

Chances are Soliman will decapitate Mubarak as stated above and give the US time to find a way out.  Regrettably, team obama just doesn't have the depth of field to get the job done.  Everyone knows that - including the MB.  This is what the end of an empire looks like.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 13:35 | 916182 Salinger
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worth reading but consider the source


"For the Brotherhood, these arguments hold little water. According to Mohammed Morsi, the liberals want to have it both ways - benefiting from the Brotherhood's numbers but leaving its agenda by the wayside. "The ideological direction [of their preferred coalition] would be liberal-secular but the popular support would come from the ranks of the Brotherhood; this doesn't make any rational sense... [the liberals] want us but without our ideas," he said.

ElBaradei has made some tentative efforts to reach out to the Brotherhood, suggesting the potential for what would undoubtedly be a powerful alliance. But, if ElBaradei is flirting with Islamists, Islamists feel he is not flirting enough. One Brotherhood leader I spoke to complained that Saad al-Katatni, who represents the Brotherhood in ElBaradei's National Association for Change, has not been included in top-level discussions. "The founders [of NAC] informed [us] about the coalition only after the fact," complained Morsi. "Then they asked us to join without asking for our substantive input."

The Brotherhood, of course, is not blameless. Despite its post-9/11 political maturation, the organization continues to find new ways to make liberals nervous."

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 13:18 | 916140 spongeBOB
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This is the main issue. There are no viable "Third" party or opposition to choose from other than the Muslim Brotherhood, which are banned, so people have no choice other than mubarak party or the islamists. There are smaller movements that popped up in the last few years but those are very small and not well organized.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 20:49 | 917051 Aristarchan
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There are at least three opposition party people that Mubarak put in prison that could potentially form a coalition government. Now, is the MB lying in the weeds waiting, yes. Might they play a role in a new government? very possible. The problem here is that things are so chaotic, it is impossible to project what form a settlement might take. I would also not rule out army rule, that would probably be acceptable to the Egyptian people as well as the US and Israel.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 13:24 | 916158 AnAnonymous
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Obama can't even say "democracy" in a speech let alone a high road declaration that Mubarak should resign. 


The US is losing face big time. The beacon of the free world reduced to underline the stability brought by dictatorship. What a funny moment.

It must be noticed these guys are already campaigning.

Obama has taken the US interests side. Normal as the POTUS. Clinton plays the card of democratic reforms to preserve the democrats'chances at the incoming elections. The party has  played both side; the party is saved.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:42 | 916057 infinity8
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from CNN's blog:

[Update 6:19 p.m. Cairo, 11:19 a.m. ET] Egyptian Army Chief of Staff Sami Annan was huddling Saturday with five of his deputies after returning to Egypt from Washington, a senior Egyptian military official told CNN. Annan and other top officials were attending high-level talks with Pentagon officials when this week's unrest broke out and those meetings were cut short Friday for the Egyptians to return to Cairo.

ain't she sweet

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:54 | 916080 Dapper Dan
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I have been wondering why we have not seen any burning of Barack Obama or George bush effigies, and not one American flag burning in any of the coverage to date.

Is this uprising organic? Will it remain that way if it is organic?

Where is Robert Gates on all this, Is this crisis a result of Roberts "Crisis on my doorstep" speech in Canada?

I can hear Robert right now saying "now you see why I can't have my budget cut, see what happens, give me money and lot's of it." 


Sat, 01/29/2011 - 13:25 | 916163 AnAnonymous
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I have been wondering why we have not seen any burning of Barack Obama or George bush effigies, and not one American flag burning in any of the coverage to date.


Maybe they are too short on money to afford such luxuries.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 14:34 | 918075 goldfish1
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