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As Egyptian Anger Swells, Will America (And Its Regional Interests) Be Targeted Next: "They Are Attacking Us With American Weapons"

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So far all attempts by the flailing Mubarak regime to stem the revolution and return life to normal in Egypt have failed, and at this point the fate of the president appears to be sealed, with its final resolution just a matter of time. The one key trade off to delaying the inevitable, however, is that the US, and specifically its Egypt-centered policies, which had far has been largely absent from the rioters' rhetoric, is starting to appear more and more often as a subject of discussion.... and not in a flattering way. Opposition leader Mohammed ElBaradei, who has just joined protesters in Cairo's main Tahrir Square, is expected to have a major speech in which he may or may not focus public anger on duplicitous US policies, which at that point will crystallize the Obama administration's hypocrisy in the eyes of Egypt. This will certainly not make progressing US national interests in the region any easier. And if ElBaradei's earlier remarks are any indication, the US is about to become very hated in Egypt. Per Agence France Presse: "“The American government cannot ask the Egyptian people to believe that a
dictator who has been in power for 30 years will be the one to
implement democracy,” ElBaradei told US network CBS from Cairo. “You
are losing credibility by the day. On one hand you’re talking about
democracy, rule of law and human rights, and on the other hand you’re
lending still your support to a dictator that continues to oppress his
people,” added ElBaradei, the former head of the UN’s International
Atomic Energy Agency. His recommendations to President Barack Obama’s administration were
blunt: “You have to stop the life support to the dictator and root with
the people."  On the other hand, with the US favorability rating in Egypt at an all time low of 17% in 2010, there just may not be much room to fall for the way the US is perceived by the broader Egyptian population.

More from AFP:

ElBaradei said Mubarak’s regime was reaching its end.

“He absolutely has to leave. This is not me, this is 85 million Egyptians,” he said.

The opposition leader told CNN that he has “been mandated by the people who organize these demonstrations, to agree on a national unity government.”

“And I hope that I would -- I should be in touch soon with the army and we need to work together.”

In a separate interview with CNN, ElBaradei predicted a rapid end to Mubarak’s regime.

“It will happen that he has to leave the country within the next three days. There is no way out as I see,” ElBaradei told the network.

But when asked if he wanted Obama to publicly ask Mubarak to step down, ElBaradei hesitated.

“It’s better for President Obama not to appear that he is the last one to say to President Mubarak, ‘It’s time for you to go.’”

As for how America is perceived in Egypt, the WaPo has compiled a good summary:

In a dusty alleyway in downtown Cairo, Gamal Mohammed Manshawi held out a dirty plastic bag Saturday afternoon. Inside were smashed gas canisters and the casings of rubber bullets that he said Egyptian police had fired at anti-government demonstrators.

"You see," the 50-year-old lawyer said, displaying the items. On the bottom of each were the words "Made in the USA."

"They are attacking us with American weapons," he yelled as men gathered around him.

In the streets of Cairo, many protesters are now openly denouncing the United States for supporting President Hosni Mubarak, saying the price has been their freedom. They say the Obama administration has offered only tepid criticism of a regime that has received billions of dollars in U.S. aid.

Tell America that we get to choose our president," Manshawi said. "We choose him, not them."

U.S. officials "speak about their own interest, not ours," said Ahmed Abu Dunia, who said he planned to demonstrate every day until Mubarak is gone. "The Egyptians love Egypt."

...

"We believe America is against us," said Emad Abdel Halim, 31. "Until now, Obama didn't talk to the Egyptian people. He didn't support the Egyptian people."

As the violence moves ever more steadily North and East, the increasingly discredited US foreign policy will be put ever more to the test. With the US increasingly reliant on the good will of the BRIC axis, it just may be that for once it is what Russia and China demand as the final geopolitical outcome of the region that is what transpires, instead of what Hillary Clinton's view of what is best for the middle east. And with that the era of US international "globocop" hegemony may well be over. Thank you Bernank.

 

 


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Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:05 | Link to Comment TuesdayBen
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Give 'em Billions, manipulate 'em, get hated for it. 

Cut all foreign aid now.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:06 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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The billions look as they came under the form of advanced weaponry. Indeed, they might have welcomed not receiving that kind of aid.

 

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:10 | Link to Comment Rahm
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Guess Cairo wasn't the best location for that speech from TOTUS...

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:57 | Link to Comment Pegasus Muse
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TOTUS.  The first T?

Traitor

Teleprompter

Tainted

Twisted

Tormentor

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:29 | Link to Comment Millivanilli
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Fighter jets swoop over Cairo in show of force

Obama approves first U.S. jet fighter sale to Egypt in a decade

Under the proposal, Egypt would receive 24 F-16 Block 50/52 aircraft in a $3.2 billion deal, Middle East Newsline reported.

Yes, prez obumbles the executive lackey to the banking/corporate/military industrial complex and winner of the nobel peace prize is personally behind THE TYRANT MUBARAK.

Same goes for Saudi Arabia

Obama to Pitch $60B Saudi Arms Deal to Congress

The Wall Street Journal reports the White House will officially notify Congress in the next two weeks of a $60 billion deal to sell Saudi Arabia dozens of U.S.-made fighter jets and military helicopters.

BECAUSE THAT IS HOW WE ROLL. AND THIS CLOWN IS GOING TO LECTURE US ON GUN CONTROL LAWS.

Note to White House. hhahahahaaa

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:36 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Weapons kill people. Those fighter jets are much better than a butter knife to perform the job.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 16:09 | Link to Comment Simon Endean
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Unless you're talking about stuff like knives and clubs, weapons don't kill people. Ammunition does.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 15:29 | Link to Comment Blankman
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Nothing like war to increase the payrolls.  Note to the unemployed, go to the states that produce these fighter jets and become employed.  Me, I'm gonna ask the govt if I can buy my own F-16 dealership so I too can jets sell to our Arab friends. 

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 20:15 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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It's always a bitch when false rhetoric meets realpolitik!

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:56 | Link to Comment kaiten
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" Give 'em Billions, manipulate 'em, get hated for it. 

Cut all foreign aid now. "

 

Wow, what a brainwashed american. You´re not giving aid to THEM, you´re giving it to their DICTATOR/OPPRESSOR. And then you are surprised that they hate you (for it)? Will you start using your brain, finally?

 

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 14:07 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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+10

Some people don't understand that other people also want freedom and have every right to have it.

When you give weapons to dictators, there's nothing good in that.

 

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 14:50 | Link to Comment kridkrid
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Hell... you don't even need to give them weapons.  The fact that money is fungible is lost on a vast majority of people.  Foreign aid finds its way into the hands of the MIC one way or another.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 14:52 | Link to Comment Dr. Sandi
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When you give weapons to dictators, there's nothing good in that.

Unfortunately, a LOT of the remaining U.S. manufacturing jobs would go away overnight if we changed that policy.

Mon, 01/31/2011 - 00:42 | Link to Comment born2bmild
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Then we would have to start farming again, just in time with rising shipping costs and all. I'd way rather be a broke farmer than a broke factory worker pumping out duplicates of satan's dental work for a living.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 14:12 | Link to Comment Cheesy Bastard
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Give 'em Billions, manipulate 'em, get hated for it.

If only they had something, something in vast quantities, that I could tell them to go pound.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:07 | Link to Comment Bananamerican
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"On one hand you’re talking about democracy, rule of law and human rights, and on the other hand you’re lending still your support to a dictator that continues to oppress his people"

i like straight talkers in politics....

in a related note...The CIA(!) is running recruitment ads on the local SoCal rock station....

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:42 | Link to Comment Clampit
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... um soon-to-be (but not presently) "in politics". Remember we had some "straight talkers" in a similar situation a couple years back.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:09 | Link to Comment MountainMan
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American hipocarcy at its finest.

All dictators must be crushed.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:09 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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Is it just me or does this whole thing stink of the CIA to high heaven? The son and family fly out to Britain with the family jewels. Madoof, err, I mean Mubarak stays behind to pay the price of the crime. They put the head of the intelligence service in as VP- the same guy the CIA would work with. The suppression is controlled. In the old days- they would have shot first and second.

The opposition leader is a UN stooge and HE has been put in charge to negotiate with the army, etc?

The US dumping a thirty year ally? Come on...

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:40 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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Yes things always are not as they appear. But sometimes the beast loses control of a event and sometimes things happen they cannot control. Maybe the concept of leaderless resistance is not so bad after all.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:43 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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well - unless they start shooting the hell out of them looks like the old tricks aren't workin

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:57 | Link to Comment Bob Sponge
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The US can probably buy off the new Egyptian leader with as much "aid" as required.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 16:36 | Link to Comment Mike2756
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No, it's game over. The rank and file Egyptian soldier comes from the people, not the elite, they stand with the people.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:09 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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These guys are going to be mowed down by US weaponry. This is the time for US citizens to build up experience and move to Egypt to get accustomed to urban warfare. Air dropped on what the Egyptian capital is and on with the weaponry and military tactics.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 16:39 | Link to Comment Mike2756
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Those weapons were used by the police and security forces, not the army. Notice how fast the police disappeared.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:10 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Let them all flail.

Fem Dems making a grab at guns.  Unbelievable.  Soon they will try to take away the world's guns.  But there will be nothing done to actually change the problem.  The problem is hunger, it is food prices.  Food makes for the majority of third world spending.  They will fight to eat.  The oil is over there and America needs oil to support the dollar.  If the dollar tries to fight oil, it will lose.

Bernanke prints Food

The riots in North Africa and the Middle East are occurring for one main reason.  People are hungry.  Yes they want their leaders gone, and yes they want a better form of government, but the tipping point is the aching coming from their bellies.  Here in America we have the same thing, yet the dollar keeps the food stamps coming in.  The problem is, the greater the amount of dollars issued by Bernanke, the greater amount of food stamps needed to feed the hungry.  If Bernanke could just print food, we wouldn't have a problem.  Bernanke wishes to be such an alchemist, if only for a day.  Yet the man who stands in front of America comes from a long line of self taught alchemists.  The dollar has brought more complacency to policy than anything.

Americans have been privileged for the last hundred years because of the dollar, yet at the same time, it is the dollar holding them back.  The dollar has the upper hand when it comes to finance, but for those who do not earn many dollars life becomes cumbersome.  It is even worse when other countries try and compare their fiat vs the dollar.  The dollar has unlimited power on the Monopoly board.  Imagine playing that board game with someone who can give themselves as much money as they want.

Life in America is slightly different from the rest of the world, until it isn't.  No one can print monie, and so it is only a matter of time before the fiat ponzi collapses.  It is in its death throes now in not only North Africa and the Middle East, but in Europe's periphery as well.  These nation states are about to rise up and end the old system.  Will the new one be better?  Time will tell.

In America, we elect new Congress and new Presidents.  We have a schedule.  This schedule makes us think we can change things, when in fact it makes us complacent.  Instead of wanting to kick everyone out at once, we wait for the schedule.  This appears different from dictatorships because it appears we have the ability to change the system when we want to.  The only difference is the apparition of change, when that is far from reality.

First of all, never forget, Diebold threw the '00, and '04 elections.  Would Gore and Kerry have been different?  No.  But I think it is important to remember that America is a fascist dictatorship.  Obama's policies are no different from Bushes.  Even Dick Cheney can tell you that.  From Guantanamo to the wars, same policy.  The ironic thing is that they share the same economic policy; Keynsianism.  Then again, we are all Keynesian, ain't that right Nixon?

Bush ran TARP through like a dagger in the side of America.  Obama not only cheered from the sideline, he came onto the field!  Remember, Obama flew from his campaign trail to plead with Congress to pass TARP.  What do we owe these politicians?  Did they save the world from crashing?

First, it is the politicians and bankers who got us into this mess.  Truck drivers did not want NAFTA passed (yes I am taking this back through the incompetent line of Presidents), teachers did not want TARP ushered in, and Americans do not want any more of this quantitative easing.  So if the people of America do not want this farce of an economic policy, and neither do the people of the world, why are we doing it?

There is a theory, the current 'politic', that people can not think for themselves; that they need others to tell them what is right.  I think that everyone has the ability to see the truth, and therefor no one needs anyone else's opinion.  Of course the best way to solidify an opinion is to keep an open mind and listen to other people's thoughts, so of course like anything we experience with each other life is circular.  Do we need linear thinking to prove our axiom?  Probably.

Bankers want money.  They start a system based on usury.  The usury gets out of control.  What should be done?  Should we continue to inflate the old system?  No, because the system is flawed.  Usury is against logic.  We want everyone to be safe and happy, that is our goal of our society.  Anything that goes against that should be taking outside.

The control of usury is not only subversive, it is binding, but if only in our thoughts.  People now think that the almighty dollar will save us from....the almighty dollar.  Yes, people are shadow boxing, and it would be a great exercise if they knew what they were doing.  Practice is practice.  The game is the game.  We have been in the game since oil plateaued.

Is it ironic that once oil plateaued the oilgarchs crashed the already totally fucked economic system?  They had been preparing to do it since Rubin and Summers rammed NAFTA through, since the eliminated Glass-Steagall.  Once Greenspan tipped off the "housing fiasco" with cheap rates the system was as good as done.  Housing peaked in '05, equities peaked in '07, and during that time oil production went flat.  It was time.  It was their time.  Oilgarchs and their ilk do not let opportunities go to waste.  All of this was part of the plan.  And like a phoenix their will be dust to dust.

This is why I strongly believe that fiat has its days numbered.  While the world burns the dollar is safe nowhere.  Paper will be ashe in an instant.  That is the way it goes.  That is science.  Another point of rhetoric is that fiat was never and will never be monie.  It does not fit one of the rubrics, and that is "a store of wealth".  An IOU is not a store of wealth.

This is where gold comes in.  It is a store of wealth.  Yes that wealth is determined based on the world's financial structure, but what does that mean today?  With quadrillions of dollars floated through the netherworld, and two Olympic sized swimming pools of gold, what does that tell you?  What does it mean that when Presidents flee their countries, they take as much gold with them as possible?  What does it mean that Fort Knox has not been audited in several decades?  What does it mean when COMEX, the LBMA, and EFTs like GLD have more paper claims on their gold than they have on reserve?

Hugh Hendry had it right when he said, I suggest you panic."  He did not mean go hide under a rock, however.  He meant that if you were to hide under a rock, you better line up your ducks first.  The squirrel, as unattractive as it is, is at least smart enough to save for the winter.  They kept their wealth stored, safely or not, they tried.  Trying is half the battle.  This battle may soon be over.  When the next terrain has a more adjusted and real narrative, where will you be?

Right now the richest people in the world are in a country that can seperate itself from the rest of the world in fifteen minutes.  All it has to do is blow its bridges, which are wired with explosives.  How ironic that the oilgarchs are as far away from the problems that they have created?  It is not ironic at all.  There are reasons even behind manic thoughts.

 

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:18 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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The dollar has unlimited power on the Monopoly board.  Imagine playing that board game with someone who can give themselves as much money as they want.

 

That is exactly that. And one thinks the US buys finite resources like that, the picture comes clear.

The Saudis know about that quite a lot.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:22 | Link to Comment Confused
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To your point about taking the worlds guns:

Funny thing I've been hearing lately. Might be nothing, but it did strike me as odd. It appears the Swiss are looking to keep the military from keeping their weapons upon the end of service. They claim too many soldiers are committing suicide when they get home. (I'm sure NO Swiss military members suffer from PTSD).

 

Wouldn't you know.....the Austrians are doing/claiming the same thing. 

 

Anyone else see/hear anything about this?

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:37 | Link to Comment TuesdayBen
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I hear the Swiss gubmint wants to take guns out of the hands of soldiers, because said soldiers have been using cheese for target practice, filling said cheese with holes.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:43 | Link to Comment Cheesy Bastard
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Ouch!

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 21:29 | Link to Comment TuesdayBen
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and why blow the brains out, anyway?  Why not just go climb some rock, such as the Matterhorn, til you fall off and splat - climbing accident.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 15:00 | Link to Comment Dr. Sandi
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It appears the Swiss are looking to keep the military from keeping their weapons upon the end of service. They claim too many soldiers are committing suicide when they get home.

Beats the hell out of ending it all with a Swiss Army Knife.

Reality is that many people choose to end their own life. In the U.S., over 3/4 of middle aged white men do it with a firearm. It's a guy thing. Women prefer to use drug overdoses.

If the Swiss Army vets started doing overdoses instead, then I'd wonder about the state of the world. So when the gun's right there and life continues to suck, then hellfire kids, some guys are gonna punch their own ticket outta' here.

Isn't that their choice? But then, government's main job is to reduce choice, so I assume the Swiss vets will have to find a gun somewhere else or just wait until the Grim Reaper makes his appointed rounds.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:28 | Link to Comment Hulk
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Spot on Mr Lennon Hendrix!

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 14:15 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Thank you Hulk. 

May I now add, this is the "perfect" time for Stuxnet to descend on Financial Exchanges, power grids, or whatever the globalists designed it for.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 16:43 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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you're obviously eloquent, and place a high value on language and it's usage - there is not much to disagree with in what you posted.

Fem Dems making a grab at guns

I've no idea what you are dog-whistling here tho' - I'd appreciate your sharing what this descriptive means to you, and why you've chosen to (apparently) gender a "party" - are the Repubs the boys? or the Libertarians? who's the non-Fem, apparent "hero"?

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 17:11 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I agree.  That term is so lame.  I will no longer slander the politcal parties of the faux left right paradigm, with derogitory names.

I apologize...too.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 22:35 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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thanks sir - I'm most often a fan of your posts, and would not have bothered this time but that the rhetoric is bound to get increasingly more divisive. . .

we don't need to assist those who push divide 'n' rule agenda, especially *here*.

as you (eloquently) were!

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:40 | Link to Comment velobabe
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i really liked reading your post. you are a very sound human being.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 14:08 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Thank you for the compliments, Velobabe.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:49 | Link to Comment Blano
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You sounded good until the "Diebold threw the '00 and '04 elections" part.  At that point this just became drivel.  Sheesh.

I didn't care much for the last few W years myself, but face it, you lost.  Fucking crybabies.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 14:11 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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There is no losing in the Hegelian dialectic for the policy makers.  If you conform to its rhetoric, you have let them (those subverting policy) win.

The people vs the bankers/politicains.  Not Red vs blue.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 22:40 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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and/or:

it's not lateral, but hierarchical. . . look "up" for targets.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 15:48 | Link to Comment Banjo
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He also mentioned who actually won is a moot point, juxtaposing Obama's policy V Bush and the others even mentioning that Cheney would approve.

Chomsky was the first person I read to identify the false politcs of Left and Right along with the debasement of the political language describing liberal or conservative policy. Alex Jones puts it most succinctly describing it as "the false left right paradigm".

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 14:08 | Link to Comment Hook Line and S...
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Nice presentation of your thoughts LH.

I've done all I can do now for family, friends, and self. My energies and thoughts have been pondering (with the wind at their back) the signals and I will need to recognize for successful timing and navigation in the coming world metamorphosis.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 14:18 | Link to Comment Future Jim
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"... a country that can separate itself ..."

Which country is that?

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 15:12 | Link to Comment SilverRhino
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The Plutocracy of Manahattan

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 15:12 | Link to Comment SilverRhino
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The Plutocracy of Manahattan

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 16:29 | Link to Comment SilverRhino
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The Plutocracy of Manahattan

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 15:10 | Link to Comment kridkrid
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That was fantastic!

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:13 | Link to Comment flaunt
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ElBaradei strikes me as one of these asshole politicians trying to get out in front of a populist movement and ride the tide into power.  It's similar to the tide of idiot poltiicians in the U.S. riding the "Tea Party Express."  They know how to ride a wave but they are mostly just using the opportunity to gain power for themselves.  From what I've read ElBaradei is not that popular among the people in Egypt.  They probably see him as a tool of the west.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:27 | Link to Comment cbaba
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+1 yes he is a tool of the west...He is called Nobel Laureate, what that means is he is selected who will run after the Mubarek.

Remember Obama has also a Nobel Prize:))

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 16:52 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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agreed.

anyone who has been made familiar with the great game of nationstates, and what they are used for, is a tool of those behind the scenes, the faceless ones who pull the strings. . . if he is "installed" as head of (a)gov't. then he is not on the side of those "governed" - simple.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:16 | Link to Comment dick cheneys ghost
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thousands protest corruption in INDIA

 

http://nakedempire.wordpress.com/

 

ITS SPREADING................

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:23 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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The more important question is why? Don't give me the food riot garbage. This is being instigated and is too well organized. There are hungry nations all over the globe. Why here, why now?

What is it about this region that requires the overthrow of committed allies for decades? With the addition of India and Egypt, we are no longer talking oil only. If you toss in Pakistan and Afganistan, we are stretching a belt of nations from the Atlantic to the Indian ocean. International trade routes, major access points. 

 

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 14:14 | Link to Comment Bob Sponge
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Good points. I agree that we need to keep looking for a possible larger agenda.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 16:59 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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your expanded perspective posts are needed here Sean7k, keep 'em coming! 

this is NOT about a handful of "poor brown people" protesting food prices - and we already know the "agencies" have been agitating the whole region for decades. . . there is agenda here folks, and we're watching it unfold - don't be led to choose sides against the "citizens" - focus on that which is behind the scenes, just as should be done in amrka now.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 14:10 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Actually, not so big here in India. This was a planned demonstration to co-memorate the death of the British Puppet, Mahatma Gandhi. Most of the "protesters" were probably bussed in or paid. A free lunch is a huge motivator in India, still. Telling, the first comment on that story:

It is better India liberates itself from Gandhis who have reduced the people at helm to puppets and running the govt. through remote control. At the same time, there is a need to unearth why so many Congress men bow before Gandhi family that they are overlooking everything, Sonia Gandhi foreign origin, Rahul complete inexperienced and low educated.

India is still in "tinder'box" mode. Like Oil the west in Early 2008, we had our won onion shocks. But the masses are still in TV stupor land. All the Maoist fighting is done by foreign trained and supported militancy, whose goal is de-stablization.

India will balkanize, back to it's original, language based boundaries. A lot more heat needed though.

A western state (a big one)'s collapse will be a trigger, because the booming, trickle-down enabling IT middle class is fastened to the Dollar/Euro teat.

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2010/06/15/the-first-exercise/

 

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 14:18 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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Always nice to hear what is going on in situ. Thanks ORI.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 14:37 | Link to Comment cossack55
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But, but, but...Glenn Beck says the Ghandi was "the man" and we should all be Ghandis.  WTF?  Didn't Ghandi kick all kinds of limey ass.  Did he use stealth Kung Fu?  I'm so confused without Glenn to tell me what to think.  I need a drink.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 17:07 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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another unique, enlightened perspective on news clips that no one here, outside of India, has direct experience of and can only slot into pre-conceived notioning.

another valuable contributor to point out truths within media-muddling, thanks ORI.

Mon, 01/31/2011 - 06:48 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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Thought I was crazy but I'm feeling a very very big angry coming out of india. A very big angry.

Getting harder and harder for people to count their blessings there. Almost stupidly hard.

Mon, 01/31/2011 - 00:52 | Link to Comment born2bmild
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Totally: http://www.zerohedge.com/article/washington-state-joins-movement-public-...

Now come on Jerry Brown, bring us home something to be proud of.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:17 | Link to Comment digalert
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Barama cracked me up when he said "I talked to Mubarak and told him what he must do...blah blah blah". I don't believe Mubarak is beholden to the US or Barama at this time.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:25 | Link to Comment Confused
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YES! This actually made me laugh. If the ENTIRE country sees him as a dictator, then he NEEDS to go. The people have spoken. 

 

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:43 | Link to Comment TuesdayBen
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In that statement I heard Obama trying to sound tough.

Anyone who has ever seen the man golf or bowl or throw a ball can understand why this skinny pussy feels a need to try to sound tough.  'obama' is Bantu Swahili for 'pussy'.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 20:56 | Link to Comment TuesdayBen
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Haaretz details what happens when POTUS is an enormous pussy:

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/obama-will-go-down-in-history-...

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:18 | Link to Comment JJSF
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The revolt in Egypt is an organically driven people-power movement to oust a dictator, restore universal freedoms, and wrestle the country free from the clutches of the US military-industrial complex, but the man now being positioned to form a new government is a pied piper working for the very same globalists and NGO’s that autocrat leader Hosni Mubarak has dutifully served for nearly 30 years.

Make no mistake about it, under the current regime Egypt is a vassal state for the new world order. Under Mubarak, the country receives some $2 billion in aid every year from the United States, second only to Israel. In addition, Egypt pays out $1.1 million annually to the Podesta Group, an organization closely tied with the Obama administration, to act as “foreign agents” for Mubarak’s regime.

Mubarak’s loyalty to the US empire was reciprocated this week when Vice-President Joe Biden ludicrously asserted that Mubarak’s unbroken 30 year reign did not represent a dictatorship and that he was a close ally of the west.

“Egypt under Mubarak uses its billions in U.S. military aid to detain, beat and torture dissenters, opposition politicians and journalists; many have died in custody,” writes Mark Zepezauer. “Thousands of political prisoners and pro-democracy activists are held in overcrowded, disease-ridden prisons, without charges or trials. Press restrictions, including newspaper shutdowns, are widespread.”

Which is why it makes no sense whatsoever for the CIA to be involved in contriving a series of riots that would destabilize and threaten to topple a regime loyal to them. This is not the type of staged “color revolution” that we’ve witnessed before in places like Georgia, the Ukraine or Yugoslavia – orchestrated events disguised as spontaneous uprisings intended to remove rogue leaders hostile to the global elite’s agenda for world government.

This is a grass roots movement being carried out by impoverished young Egyptians finally standing up in unison to a regime that toadies to the west yet allows its people none of the freedoms associated with living in a modern and prosperous nation. But that doesn’t mean the revolution we currently see unfolding on the streets of Alexandria, Cairo, Suez and cannot be co-opted by the very same globalist forces who have been pulling Mubarak’s strings for the past three decades.

The US military-industrial complex has known for at least three years that Egypt was teetering on the verge of regime change, and they certainly were not going to let anyone outside parties take control after Mubarak’s fall. That’s why the American Embassy trained rebel leaders to infiltrate opposition groups from the very beginning, as the Telegraph reveals today.

Enter former top UN official and staunch Mubarak adversary Mohamed ElBaradei, who recently returned to Cairo in a bid to lead the protest movement.

ElBaradei serves on the Board of Trustees of the International Crisis Group, who today issued a press release protesting the decision on behalf of Egyptian authorities to place ElBaradei under house arrest.

International Crisis Group is a shadowy NGO (non-governmental organization) that enjoys an annual budget of over $15 million and is bankrolled by the likes of Carnegie, the Ford Foundation, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, as well as George Soros’ Open Society Institute. Soros himself serves as a member of the organization’s Executive Committee. In other words, this is a major geopolitical steering group for the global elite.

The fact that their man ElBaradei is being primed to head up the post-Mubarak government should set alarm bells ringing in the ears of every demonstrator who is protesting in the name of trying to wrestle Egypt away from the clutches of new world order control.

Indeed, even Mubarak himself is now seemingly catching on to the understanding that his usefulness to the global power elite has run its course, remarking during a national address Saturday that the protests were “part of a bigger plot to shake the stability and destroy the legitimacy” of the political system.

Even more ironic is the fact that another powerful globalist who sits on the board of International Crisis Group, Zbigniew Brzezinski, warned last year that the international hierarchyof which he is a key component was under threat from a “global awakening” that would be led by young radicals in third world countries. Having accurately predicted the wave of revolt now spreading like wildfire across the globe, Brzezinski and his fellow globalists are preparing to pick up the pieces in order to continue business as usual, while the people who risked their lives for real change will be the victims of a monumental deception. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

If the Egyptians are successful in toppling Mubarak, only to replace him with ElBaradei, they will have achieved nothing, and the eventual outcome will merely see Egypt remain as a subservient client state of the US military-industrial complex.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:29 | Link to Comment Caviar Emptor
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Yup. His 'entry' on the scene in the midst of the crisis and offer to become the next leader is an obvious ploy. Keep in mind he was the US-backed envoy to Iraq during the set-up phase of the farcical "hunt for WMD" that resulted in US occupation (and, surprise, no WMDs). 

It's an old and transparent game: offer up your own candidate in the middle of a revolution, who portrays himself as a moderate revolutionary. Kind of like if we had a revolution here in the US and Jeb Bush offered himself as a 'moderate' solution. 

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:35 | Link to Comment Catullus
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Fantastic post. 

Not as an outright rejection of your post, but I think a level of cynicism is still appropriate.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:48 | Link to Comment Salinger
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an important (if outlawed) political force in Egypt is the MB and Elbar is a means to an end for the MB, while he may indeed be a puppet, at the end of the day it will be the MB who pulls the strings

UK Foreign Secretary William Hague has been clear that the MB is not good news

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/828...

 

EU and US are scrambling

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 14:25 | Link to Comment flaunt
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When I hear these really "smart" analysts talking about the need to "move toward reform" my BS meter goes off the charts.  What I hear is, "the government needs to placate the angry people but not really make any fundamental changes."  It's a strategy designed to decieve people into thinking they are going to be free while in reality nothing is going to change.  1776 in the U.S. wasn't a "step toward reform," it was a complete and total overhaul of the system people were living under replaced by a new one that was fundamentally different.  Granted, this system ultimately grew into the huge cancerous tumor now choking the lifeblood out of the people living in the U.S. but that's how real change comes.  Sudden, swift, and completely different. 

There are so many deceiving conniving actors in the world today, especially the Arab world, that it's nearly impossible for average people to get real change.  That's why it's extremely import that humans have a collecive realization that there is no such thing as good government, it's all a sham designed to get you to "buy in" to your own enslavement.  When people around the world reject all arbitrary authority and notions of "social contracts" that are said to exist because one happens to be born on a given plot of land, then we'll see the dawn of a new era.  Not before.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 15:22 | Link to Comment bankonzhongguo
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Its clear that Elbaradei is being groomed as the new Mubarak.  I always gave Al Jazeera a lot of credit for press coverage in the ME, but even THAT "Arab news" outlet cannot even orate the names of active political parties in Egypt.  Its just more MI6, by way of the emirates.  Sad.

There is a lot of talk about the MB being this all powerful, subversive yet in the pocket of the West guild - that is proping up the Elbaradei card.  Maybe so.

But, even if Elbaradei finds his way into an interim role for elections in October, his legitimacy will be in lifting the Emergency Decrees.  Doing so will energize all sorts of political organization and releasing all sorts of political figures from jails - the same jails that created AQ, and all those Army officers within the MB will be "free" to openly align themselves with more openly Islamist poles - like empathy toward Hamas.

Maybe the Army, Elbaradei and the MB can subdue the population like Mubarak did - even for a few years, but without jobs and food these problems will persist.

Throw is some China money and the CIA does not become the font of legitimacy.

Most people on the street don't even know what an Elbaradei is.  They certainly won't accept his role once some video of Muqtada al-Sadr (yes I know he's Shi'a and not Sunni) starts "educating" the masses.

There is no talk of "democracy" from the usual suspects on Meet the Press and CNN - all CFR oil establishment cronies.

Maybe tomorrow more tear gas will be in the streets.  Those empty canisters are the new ammunition for the emergence of an anti-West Egyptian political culture.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 15:07 | Link to Comment Dr. Sandi
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There's ALWAYS some asshat jumping in front of the parade, pretending they threw it in HIS HONOR.

The problem is when enough stupid people believe in it.

Hey, where's "The Music Man" when you need him. It would be fun to see 85 million Egyptians happily marching off to the big band stylings of "76 Trombones."

Unfortunately, I fear that instead, well see a lot of energetic young people being carried back to their families, their lives now forfeit to the rage against the machine.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 15:22 | Link to Comment cossack55
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Robert Preston is currently a SR VP with JPM.  With his track record of looting dumbass amerikans, he was promoted ahead of his peers in 1961.  Primary responsibilities include making Blythe laugh (to date-unsuccessful) and polishing 100oz silver bullion bars manufactured out of paper.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 18:16 | Link to Comment Dr. Sandi
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"My friends, either you are closing your eyes to a situation you do not wish to acknowledge, or you are not aware of the caliber of disaster indicated by the presence of a gold pool in your community. Well friends, you've got trouble."

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:20 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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On the bottom of each were the words "Made in the USA."

 

Who says we don't produce anything? Is this the level, to which that "shining city on the hill" has been reduced? Profiting from destriuction, and a thousand Boken Window Fallacies?

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:35 | Link to Comment Brother can you...
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yes

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:50 | Link to Comment GreenSideUp
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+1  Sad.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 14:54 | Link to Comment FreedomGuy
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I understand that the "Made in USA" label has an effect on the average idiot in Egypt, but before that it was AK-47's with Nasser. It wouldn't be any different there if Egypt made it's own weapons. The problem is dictators, not necessarily whose weapons they buy. Anwar Sadat, Mubarak's predecessor made peace with Israel because fighting endless wars was unproductive. He was killed for that. The Soviets and the U.S. and even France and Britain used to compete for influence. Weapons came from each.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 18:27 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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perhaps you can take a moment to try and imagine if, say, China, had installed a puppet ruler in your birth country, the only one you'd ever known if you're under 30, and you picked up some weaponry used on you, and your friends and family that said "made in china" on it - as an "average idiot" what do you suppose your response would be?

Mon, 01/31/2011 - 00:42 | Link to Comment FreedomGuy
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Egyptians aren't necessarily "idiots". I've had several Egyptian friends. However, they use simplistic points in these articles and on the streets to the average simpleton. Mubarak was no puppet even with our favor any more than his predecessor Anwar Sadat. Mr. Sadat was one of the few with character to make the hard rational choices.

My point is that it really doesn't matter where the weapons are made. Dictators get them from whomever they will. The problem is the dictator.  France, England, Belgium, Russia/Soviet Union all sell weapons across the Middle East and the world. I've seen Toyotas in the  Moroccan army when I was there. Perhaps they should hate Japanese. Egypt bought weapons from the U.S. because they lost four wars in a row with mostly Soviet equipment (and influence). 0 and 4 is a very bad record in war. Historically speaking it's amazing they still have a country.

I wish the Egyptians well, but many countries have shot their own people with fine weapons made in their own countries. I worry about what will be done with such symbolism. Egyptians need to tag the right problems and enemies. Perhaps they can build something better for themselves. Let's see.

Mon, 01/31/2011 - 01:03 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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thank you for taking the time to clarify, and for the most part I can agree.

I just have a lingering empathy with the peoples of any nationstate that has been used, by proxy, to prop up the great game of bankers & their ruling brethern. . . the long history of Egypt being plundered by the "west" rankles.

Mon, 01/31/2011 - 04:31 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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I wish the Egyptians well, but many countries have shot their own people with fine weapons made in their own countries. I worry about what will be done with such symbolism.

 

That's kicking in row z.

In all likelihood, Egyptians are unable to produce weapns as fine as US weapons. Second, without the US aid, Egypt would not have that much fine US weapons.

One cant blame this kind of popular movements to see a huge difference between security forces armed with A-47s(not the current situation) and security forces patrolling the streets with heavy armoured tanks, jets cruising the skies and maybe one or two helis waiting for the take off order.

The reality here is that the US enabled this situation. Nobody else.

Another point is that it is also a priviledge to be provided by  the US. Not every dictator in the world has this option.

And one of the egyptian issues, a major one, is that their self expression goes against the US interests.  Calling for them to tag the right problems and enemies just after calling for ignoring US part in the current situation is wonderful.

Mon, 01/31/2011 - 15:55 | Link to Comment FreedomGuy
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I don't expect that much from the average guy on the street. The U.S. is not the major enabler. Before us it was the Soviets. Before them, it was the British. Egypt was not even its own country for over 2000 years. When it became it's own country its first order of business was to engage in constant wars with Israel, all of which they lost. Nasser also dreamed of a larger Islamic republic of some sort. He even talked with the guy next door...Qadhafi about merging their countries. Oh, yeah, another lifelong dictator. Does he have U.S. weapons? Hell, no. Same problem, same dictatorship, different weapons supplier.  

The dirty deal with the dictator Mubarak was that he would suppress Islamic terrorism and troublemaking and keep a stable border with Israel. The prior leader, Sadat was killed by the Muslim Brotherhood as he made peace with Israel and switched from Soviet to Western influence.

They can throw out Mubarak and even any U.S. influence. That by itself won't change anything. They may get someone and something worse. The question is whether they can form some sort of government that works for them and doesn't revolve around extreme Islamic ideology or devolve into the next dictatorship buying someone else's weapons.

The U.S. is often faced with crummy choices. I will bet you dollars to doughnuts that we'd happily support a freely elected representative government if they'd give up the drumbeats of war with Israel and the West in general...and keep the Suez canal open. It's too easy to just throw everything at the feet of the U.S. We deal with unsavory people sometimes because of a lack of anyone else. Every single country in the middle east has kings and dictators no matter what outside countries support them. Iraq and Afghanistan are experimenting with representative government and I won't lay odds on their success.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:20 | Link to Comment Caviar Emptor
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Hehe. They're getting warm. Getting a little peek of the inner workings of neo-colonialist empire. The dictator is in because he accepts the pay from his US overlords. He gets support for his weapons and armed services that he controls. He has total leeway over domestic policy. But most importantly, he's paid to keep the Mid-East oil machine well-greased. That means not challenging US hegemony in the region, making sure the tankers can get through Suez, protecting US corporate interest and not supporting fundamentalist Islamists. I would say Mubarak's report card was outstanding from the US point of view. He might have even won some sort of award if it weren't so sensitive. WHo knows, maybe he did :-)

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:23 | Link to Comment Catullus
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So if you're still playing left-right game...

On the left: why have the various austerity measures across the US -- the cuts in SS, cuts in police, cuts in teachers, cuts in infrastructure investment -- only to "aid" an illegitimate regime?

On the right: you're looking for something to cut... why not cut this aid?  The general populations only view it as violence against them because the aid is being used to oppress them. Why give it to Hillary Clinton's State Department to influence world politics?  Cut the democrats knees out from them.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:31 | Link to Comment Caviar Emptor
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Answer to both questions: it's the oil, stupid! 

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:36 | Link to Comment Catullus
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Take that argument to the California Teachers' Union.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:54 | Link to Comment Caviar Emptor
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Unfortunately it's an argument that sells itself once gasoline exceeds $5 

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 20:23 | Link to Comment Carl Marks
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Bingo. 

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:38 | Link to Comment snowball777
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Same answer on both sides: that money comes back to weapons manufacturers who have excellent lobbying skills.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:22 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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I hope, as a Arab, Mohammed ElBaradei doesn't forget how he repeatedly told the United States that Iraq did not have any weapons of mass destruction, and that they did not listen to his advice, but they went ahead and invaded anyway. Egypt must , adopt a anti US and anti Irael stance and a pro Palestian stance in order to have any meaningful change in that area.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:28 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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They should adopt a pro Egyptian stance first and all, incidentally pro US at times and against US at other times.

This wont happen though and the next Egyptian government will be pro US interests. Therefore at times pro Egyptian and other times con Egyptian.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:33 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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Then we see, as so often happens, that during times of fatigue, etc, the mob, accepts the lesser of two evils and catagorically drops the ball, so to speak and nothing really changes. Right now, the mob has control of the streets. They worked hard to take them. But unfortunately, as human nature goes, a push was made, but the people quit pushing just shy of total victory.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:39 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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What push? It is enough to send one U S made chopper and see what push means. Silent, they wont hear it coming and it will be over.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 20:27 | Link to Comment Carl Marks
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WMD wasn't the casus belli, it was the pretext.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:29 | Link to Comment satansanus
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NO we wont riot here. NOt because we are sheep but because we know there are less destructive more constructive ways to change things that dont work. We vote

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:35 | Link to Comment Quintus
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You forgot the /sarc tag.

 

At least I hope you did.  'Change things' indeed!

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:42 | Link to Comment equity_momo
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Did i miss the sarcasm?    Voting is for plebs to make them feel like they have a semblance of significance.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 14:09 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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To both of you answering this post, it is Satan's anus talking.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 14:18 | Link to Comment Quintus
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Indeed, we have been led astray.  The Bible is strangely silent on this most unusual aspect of his physiology.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 18:30 | Link to Comment ILikeBoats
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Chaucer covers it in the "Summoner's Tale" I believe.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 15:09 | Link to Comment Dr. Sandi
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it is Satan's anus talking.

Thought I smelled sulfur. Anybody got a match?

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:49 | Link to Comment dwdollar
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...on Diebold machines.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 14:00 | Link to Comment cdskiller
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bang

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 14:12 | Link to Comment Hook Line and S...
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I'm curious if you really know as much as you purport about satan's anus.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:31 | Link to Comment satansanus
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and we come up with solutions. real solutions and make things better!

Her feathers may be ruffled but her wings are not broken.

The Eagle Flies

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 15:11 | Link to Comment Dr. Sandi
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If this eagle's a SHE, how come she's BALD?

Hmmm?

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 15:26 | Link to Comment cossack55
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She ate Monsanto corn.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 15:50 | Link to Comment Blankman
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That line got me laughing !!!

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 14:48 | Link to Comment ronin12
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Maybe these 'public servants' should reconsider their SWAT team home invasions looking for dime bags.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 17:57 | Link to Comment SilverRhino
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This is what happens when people lose patience and cops want to act like an occupying army instead of a police force.  

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:32 | Link to Comment LMAOLORI
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Mohamed El Baradei  was sent over there by Soros/Brezinzki they belong to the International Crisis Group while he may talk about the US you can be assured he is another puppet.  

http://www.crisisgroup.org/en.aspx

El Baradei poses as a critic of the United States, not because of meddling in the Middle East, but because they are not meddling  enough. In the media El Baradei berates the US for not intervening in what he calls “social disintegration, economic stagnation, and political repression” in Egypt all the while working with soros by extension obama behind the scenes.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-01-26/mohamed-elbaradei-the-return-of-the-challenger/

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:33 | Link to Comment Hammurabi
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the Muslims Brotherhood have 20% of Majles al Chaab (the house of commons), and we have to remember that Moubarak made it extremely difficult to the muslims brotherhood candidate to run for the 2005 election he implied on the candidates all kinds of pressures and conditions, the Obama administration is very carefully smart concerning the departure of Moubarak. Moubarak is leaving from the windows we well get weak unite government. and one year later we well have the brotherhood comming from the door. i think Obama is doing the right thing we do not need anather Iran.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:55 | Link to Comment Salinger
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I am looking for the news clip -- essentially the comments went that had the elections been open and fair the punditry was saying the MB would likely have won the election, they are slick and have a broad base of support notwithstanding their outlawed status (see the links I posted above - these guys are more advanced than Obama in utilizing new media to promote their cause)

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 18:41 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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who is this "we" you represent Hammurabi?

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:33 | Link to Comment Twindrives
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Hillary Clinton has a lot of nerve suggesting the transition in Egypt be 'orderly' after she, her husband, and Janet Reno supported the firery deaths of over 100 men, women, and children at Waco Texas.  Citizens of the United States, burned to death at the hands of this same woman now calling on Egypt for restraint. 

The hypocrisy of the Obama administration is without compare in U.S. history.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:45 | Link to Comment equity_momo
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She displays more hubris than most politicians , which really is saying something.

 

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 14:30 | Link to Comment RichardP
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Citizens of the United States, burned to death at the hands of this same woman now calling on Egypt for restraint.

Waco burned because of Hillary???

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 14:34 | Link to Comment bigredmachine
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society was spared from 100 hick inbreds

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 14:37 | Link to Comment bronzie
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the Clintons are easy to follow - they leave a trail of dead bodies everywhere they go - the document linked here lists 46 convenient deaths during Clinton's presidency - I have seen some people place the total count of convenient deaths close to 100 when you include the couple's business dealing before the presidency

and these are the people that we are supposed to consider out leaders ...

 

"Convenient Deaths"

http://mhkeehn.tripod.com/ConvenientDeaths.pdf

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 16:29 | Link to Comment TheSettler
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arkancide.com

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 20:40 | Link to Comment Carl Marks
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That is really incredible when you consider that some fat hick from Arkansas could pull that shit off.

 

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 18:44 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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keep re-searching Twindrives, once you go back past the  1990's things get really really fascinating. . .

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:43 | Link to Comment bigargon
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this has the stink of George Soros all over it.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:57 | Link to Comment SRV - ES339
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... is that you Glenn?

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 14:32 | Link to Comment snowball777
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That's just your upper lip.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:46 | Link to Comment yabyum
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Just got on Al jazeera, my screen went blank (like nothing I have ever seen) an I had to reboot, any one else been booted off?

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 14:01 | Link to Comment Blano
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Mine freezes up for a few seconds right after coming on, but it always seems to fix itself.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:48 | Link to Comment Djirk
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Is inflation included in thier definition of an American weapon?

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:48 | Link to Comment Kobe Beef
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These cascading protests throughout the Middle East remind me of the cascading protests throughout Eastern Europe as a different empire lost control of its outlying puppet states.

Good Riddance, Empire. Good Luck, Egypt. I hope you get something better than another satrapy.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:48 | Link to Comment Motorhead
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Well, shit, isn't that how it always works?  The U.S. gives Egypt $2,000,000,000 each year, and Egypt buys weaponry (among other things) "Made in the U.S.A".

And, no, you can't buy love.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 20:44 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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Apparently though, there's a huge sale on hate and discontent...

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:49 | Link to Comment rosiescenario
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“You are losing credibility by the day. On one hand you’re talking about democracy, rule of law and human rights, and on the other hand you’re lending still your support to a dictator that continues to oppress his people,”

 

....that always gets you into trouble with the common folk....even here at home it applies to what the Feds are doing with NYC banks....

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:59 | Link to Comment cdskiller
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+1

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:49 | Link to Comment gigeze787
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The Twin Laws of 'Unintended Consequences' and 'Be Careful What You Preach About' by Moralizing, Dumb-F-ing US Politicians:   http://www.ned.org/george-w-bush/remarks-by-president-george-w-bush-at-the-20th-anniversary   G.W. Bush, Nov 6, 2003:   "...Many Middle Eastern governments now understand that military dictatorship and theocratic rule are a straight, smooth highway to nowhere. But some governments still cling to the old habits of central control. There are governments that still fear and repress independent thought and creativity, and private enterprise...   Instead of dwelling on past wrongs and blaming others, governments in the Middle East need to confront real problems, and serve the true interests of their nations. The good and capable people of the Middle East all deserve responsible leadership. For too long, many people in that region have been victims and subjects -- they deserve to be active citizens.

Governments across the Middle East and North Africa are beginning to see the need for change....   The great and proud nation of Egypt has shown the way toward peace in the Middle East, and now should show the way toward democracy in the Middle East. (Applause.) Champions of democracy in the region understand that democracy is not perfect, it is not the path to utopia, but it's the only path to national success and dignity."

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 14:01 | Link to Comment Caviar Emptor
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That's all true, but the question is how this will affect the price, flow and apportionment of oil. The fragile eco-system which US supported (and pro-US) autocratic governments have maintained is in peril. You can't maintain empire without favorable agreements.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:55 | Link to Comment SRV - ES339
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Black Swan(s)... buy Au and Ag, and popcorn.

Counting the days (hours?) until the protesters finally figure out who the real villains are... (contagion can be a real bitch) how's 'The Fed' security these days Ben?

Anyone else see the irony in Jamie bitching about dumping on the bankers responsible for the sad state of the world economy (and the unthinkable collateral damage), while violence erupts in the streets of the world (time to "man up" America?)... there's "tone deaf," and then there's "brain dead" Jamie and his "shut the fuck up" moment (at least Sarkozy isn't terrified of the truth)!

 

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 13:57 | Link to Comment Dr. Porkchop
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The Egyptian people should reject anything but new democratic elections. No outsiders coming in to form transitional governments. In watching the coverage, it seems to me that the people aren't stupid. They know that the US supported Mubarak and had no intention of helping them. They know the US gives the corrupt regime weapons that they turn on them.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 20:43 | Link to Comment Carl Marks
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Don't hold your breath waiting for democracy in Egypt.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 14:02 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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Tanks are nearing the vacation centers and the army is also stepping in in the smaller towns and cities.

 

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