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The Elites Have Lost The Right to Rule

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From Michael Krieger of KAM LP

War is the growth hormone of the cancer that is big government. 

- Alex Jones

A government always finds itself obliged to resort to inflationary measures when it cannot negotiate loans and dare not levy taxes, because it has reason to fear that it will forfeit approval of the policy it is following if it reveals too soon the financial and general economic consequences of that policy. Thus inflation becomes the most important psychological resource of any economic policy whose consequences have to be concealed; and so in this sense it can be called an instrument of unpopular, that is, of antidemocratic policy, since by misleading public opinion it makes possible the continued existence of a system of government that would have no hope of the consent of the people if the circumstances were clearly laid before them. That is the political function of inflation. When governments do not think it necessary to accommodate their expenditure and arrogate to themselves the right of making up the deficit by issuing notes, their ideology is merely a disguised absolutism.

- Ludwig von Mises

How Wall Street Died

Let me take you back to the fall of 1999.  I was a senior in college without a clue what I wanted to do with my life.  Wall Street was in a boom and seemed exciting.  I had always loved the financial markets since I had first discovered them years earlier; however, I wasn’t convinced this was the profession I wanted.  I had majored in Economics at school for practical purposes but I found almost all of the courses to be extraordinarily uninspiring with the exception of a few like Corporate Finance and the Economic History of China.  It was the general micro and macro economics courses that I found the most painful to sit through.  I wasn’t alone in this assessment.  Many of my close friends were Economics majors as well and we all felt the same way (I later found out this was because we were being indoctrinated in voodoo Keynesian economics) .  So even with the Economics degree I wasn’t sure that I wanted to pursue a career in finance given the fact that I found myself more interested in subjects such as English , History and Philosophy.  Nevertheless, the firms were hiring, I had the degree and it would allow me to move back to New York City without living at home. 

What I discovered as I interviewed for jobs disturbed me right away.  Every single firm with the exception of one was completely obsessed with math.  Entire interviews revolved around “how quantitative are you” and the like.  Although I hadn’t had much experience with investing I had enough to know this line of thinking seemed preposterous.  It seemed to me only basic math skills are necessary to be a successful equity investor.  Besides that, it seemed that the key is understanding that the world is always changing rapidly under the surface and therefore what is a good business today might be bankrupt tomorrow and what is a start up today could be the next Microsoft.  This seems obvious but the skill set to figuring all this out is more geared to an appreciation of human psychology, historical cycles and cultural shifts (both fads and structural changes) than math.  What I realized later is the reason they were so focused on mathematicians and Phd’s is that Wall Street was moving away from what it was always meant to be - a conduit between the holders of capital and those that wish to deploy that capital in productive economic activity.  Rather than trying to hire a well rounded workforce of intelligent college graduates the firms were hiring a cadre of quantitative robots that would play an instrumental roll in blowing up the world’s financial system.

When you get too many people of a particular mindset (in this case highly quantitative and academic) to aggregate in a field that is very much a people business and one where “street smart” common sense is of extreme importance you are asking for serious trouble.  When you couple that with a Federal Reserve that keeps interest rates too low what you get is a bunch of quants inventing products that provide a yield sufficient for pensions and others struggling to earn a return.  Products that are completely mispriced for the risk inherent in them.  I am not placing all of the blame on the Wall Street firms (although they deserve a lot and the fact people haven’t been punished severely is a huge reason why there is no confidence on main street), rather I believe the Federal Reserve deserves 95% of it.  If it wasn’t for them manipulating the price of money to absurdly low levels you wouldn’t have had the rush into toxic products in a search for yield.  While the newly enthroned Wall Street quant army would surely have done their damage nonetheless it wouldn’t have resulted in the complete destruction of the financial and monetary system that we face today.  In a nutshell, this is how I think Wall Street died and until it gets its act together will remain a corpse.  

The Elites Have Lost Their Right to Rule  

One of my favorite quotes is from Joseph Schumpeter who said “everyone has elites the important thing is to change them from time to time.”  Of course, this is what happens in a well functioning democracy.  The problem today and the reason why the United States is on the verge of some sort of revolution (I believe it will manifest as a revolution of ideas and not an armed one) is that the election of Obama has proven to everyone watching with an unbiased eye that no matter who the President is they continue to prop up an elite at the top that has been running things into the ground for years.  The appointment of Larry Summers and Tiny Turbo-Tax Timmy Geithner provided the most obvious sign that something was seriously not kosher.  Then there was the reappointment of Ben Bernanke.  While the Republicans like to simplify him as merely a socialist he represents something far worse. 

Of course it is not just Obama.  He is at the end of a long line of Presidents that think they have some sort of divine right of kings to rule.  Think about the Presidency of the United States since 1988.  Bush, Clinton, Bush…If Obama had not won the Democratic primary we would have ended up with President Hilary Clinton.  Catch my drift?  Something is not right here.  This is the United States not some sort of petty monarchy.  There is no divine right of any family or group of families to rule.  When this starts to happen you get the disaster we are now faced with.  That said, the bigger point is this.  What Obama has attempted to do is to wipe a complete economic collapse under the rug and maintain the status quo so that the current elite class in the United States remains in control.  The “people” see this ploy and are furious.  Those that screwed up the United States economy should never make another important decision about it yet they remain firmly in control of policy.  The important thing in any functioning democracy is the turnover of the elite class every now and again.  Yet, EVERY single government policy has been geared to keeping that class in power and to pass legislation that gives the Federal government more power to then buttresses this power structure down the road.  This is why Obama is so unpopular.  Everything else is just noise to keep people divided and distracted.  

Getting Into the Mind of Ben Bernanke

I do not have a clear window into the highest levels of power in many areas such as the military or the intelligence community but I do have a very good understanding of it when it comes to the financial system and the economy.  At the end of the day everyone knows that those who can create the money and credit have the ultimate power over any political system.  Therefore, at the top of the economic power of the world is the Federal Reserve and at the top of that is Ben Bernanke.  This is why I took a great deal of interest in reading the full text of his speech today.  Much will be written about it but I want to tackle it from two points.  First, who is Ben Bernanke?

You can really see into his head from reading this speech.  He is an academic who thinks he is smarter than everyone else which is why he is in the position he is in.  He thinks the key to monetary policy is to trick people into doing things that will hurt them in the end.  He believes the mal-investments he intends to push people and institutions into equals economic growth.  What surprises me so much about the investment community and the American public in general is that so many fail to understand that we live in a top down centralized economic system much more similar to China in more ways than people want to admit.  We look at how the government steers the economy in China and sneer.  How are we so different right now?
As far as the speech itself, it confirms something I mentioned several weeks ago.  Banana Ben absolutely wants to do a massive QE2 program.  The only thing holding him back is gold is near an all time high.  What he wants is gold much lower and stocks much lower to give him cover.  Gold has not cooperated so he is in a bind.  He cannot print a massive amount of money with gold here and stocks at 1055 because what happens if gold soars and stocks sell-off in the days that follow such an announcement?  What if the response in the treasury market is not as desired?  He is scared to do it here and he is right to be scared because such a reaction would be the end of the Fed right then and there.  The Fed will be gone anyway within a few years in my opinion but it’s going to fight hard to survive and if you want to make money in this market you need to understand that.  The most powerful institution in the world is fighting for its survival.  Never forget that.

So what is he going to do?  I believe that the Fed and government are doing a lot more than people think to manipulate all markets behind the scenes.  After all, they have publicly announced their manipulation in many other ways so does it make any sense whatsoever to assume they aren’t doing a plethora of other things behind the scenes?  Of course not.  I think that with the Fed in a bind they will accelerate and become ever more aggressive in behind the scenes games.  This will make markets even more volatile and extraordinarily challenging.  This is financial war make no mistake about it.  The only way in my opinion to survive this is to buy all dips in precious metals, agriculture and oil.  It is in these three areas that I expect to see the most price inflation as money eventually figures out the end game.  The end game is more and more people will eventually wake up to the fact that the markets are a hologram put in front of you by the magicians at the Fed.  That what constitutes real wealth in the years ahead will be owning food, energy and a means of exchange that will be accepted should a black market economy arise as it has in virtually all nations at one time or another throughout history.

In the end, the elites will be overthrown and a power vacuum will form.  The transition period will be extremely difficult as the elites will fight their demise to the end.  For you see, they care nothing for you they care about their power and control.  Nevertheless, rulers have always only ruled by the will (or apathy) of the people and when the people become overly taxed and abused they always rebel.  The main thing to think about is what kind of society do we want to rebuild from the ashes.  I am of the view that it must be a return to the Constitution and an elimination of central banking power and secrecy.  Let’s not fall for a demagogue or be pushed into a war when things are at their worst.

Have a great weekend,


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Fri, 08/27/2010 - 13:28 | 548602 trav7777
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You voted for obama, bitch

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 13:38 | 548630 SRV - ES339
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Which means he didn't vote for McCain / Palin... can't blame him for that!

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 13:43 | 548639 Turd Ferguson
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No shit.

February 10, 2008. The day the Turd quit the Republican Party and became "unaffiliated".

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 13:56 | 548671 Careless Whisper
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ladeez and gentlemen. (r) and (d) are both the same. wake up. they both work for the banksters, not the people. with the exception of the honorable ron paul.

want to see gov out of control? welcome to the suburbs of new york city, where a local poleece chief makes $301,534 per year for fighting "crime", which really means giving out tickets for those that can't drive 55 on the highway. but that's a bargain of a salary for the good taxpayers because last year a neighboring small town poleece chief made $550,000.

i have no idea why they think they are worth 4x the salary of an f.b.i. agent.

you can't make this shit up.


Fri, 08/27/2010 - 14:11 | 548724 Caviar Emptor
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We only got the silly party and the very silly party now.

Gold bitchez!

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 15:03 | 548828 Marla And Me
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Oh, it has the potential to get plenty sillier still.  Ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce Charlie Rangel's last contribution to a stellar carreer </s>:  H.R. 5741, aka the "Universal National Service Act "

Rangel submitted this bill to committee on July 15, 2010.  The act's purpose is "[t]o require all persons in the United States between the ages of 18 and 42 to perform national service, either as a member of the uniformed services or in civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, to authorize the induction of persons in the uniformed services during wartime to meet end-strength requirements of the uniformed services, and for other purposes."  This required national service will last two years. 

Thank you Charlie for all your hard work.  Future generations will stand in awe of your sacrifice for the public good... 

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 15:23 | 548930 Cathartes Aura
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National service is the usual term for compulsory military service programmes in countries including Austria, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Greece, Guyana, Israel, Iran, Malaysia, Mexico, Norway, the Republic of China (Taiwan), Russia, Singapore, South Korea, Sweden, Switzerland and Turkey. Conscription in the United States was called Selective Service and continued until 1973. Most NATO countries discontinued obligatory military service in the 1970s. Israel was the only country to conscript young women as well as young men for military service in the late 20th century.

well done Charlie. . . good luck with those "ethics violations". . .

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 15:44 | 548998 Marla And Me
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Somehow, those things have a way of going away when one plays the good soldier...  I expect Rangel to now retire without a blemish on his record...

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 02:13 | 549949 jeff montanye
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seriously, building on the schumpeter quote above about changing elites, doesn't it seem as if the most likely chance of getting some of the reforms required to transition to a more sustainable nation and world involve the policies associated with ron paul and, really, very few others at the national level?  these include an end to the wars in asia, the too big to fail, and the ersatz wars on drugs and terrorism; fiscal sustainability; a transparent and competent monetary system; a vast reduction in the military industrial complex; and a return of civil and economic liberties.  this paradigm would seem to offer the least destructive and most likely to succeed path to a better future.  so who's his v.p. (because he may well not complete a term if elected)?

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 10:05 | 550131 ISEEIT
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+1000000 (seems to be a common accolade at ZH). I am directly responsible for the survival and well being of six beautiful individuals, and many more who I would hope to be useful for if required. I appreciate your post- collapse considerations, but to be frank, I am far more unsettled by the reality that appears far too likely to precede the establishment of any new structure.

Scares the shit out of me only because of the potential harm to the people I love most. I would be fine in a tent for a while, what I really fear is a violent attempt to cling to power by the old guard, and more specifically by those who they incite to act for them.

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 10:18 | 550145 kathy.chamberli...'s picture

harm to the people I love most. I would be fine in a tent for a while,

how ya going be fine in a tent with 6 beautiful people? need a big tent, especially if they are females, which i am sure they all are. how do you take the time and write on a blog, with all these people needing you?

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 11:03 | 550205 ISEEIT
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I don't sleep much. And yes, my wife and the other beautiful people include an extraordinary two year old Granddaughter, three really like able sons and a really lovable person who is the Mother of my Granddaughter.

It's my reality and I love it.

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 11:45 | 550245 Spalding_Smailes
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No need to answer Kathy she is a drunk ....

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 12:18 | 550283 kathy.chamberli...'s picture

i just don't hold my liquor well. i always, pretty much always have a bed really really close by when i drink alcohol.

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 23:27 | 550867 THE 4th Quadrant
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I hope you have one of those hospital Overbed Tables that you keep your computer on so you can keep the lolz going while incapacitated.

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 12:14 | 550275 kathy.chamberli...'s picture

i am so glad you likke to share sooooooo much about your personal love life and people. well i am happy for you, now goooooooo away,.

i have to go get my delete button fixed.

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 20:02 | 550726 ISEEIT
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So sorry bitch, I've got a problem with booze to. That's the problem.

Oh my God! Not me?

Give it a rest.


Sun, 08/29/2010 - 16:46 | 550866 kathy.chamberli...'s picture

go away.

Sun, 08/29/2010 - 16:47 | 550881 kathy.chamberli...'s picture

   bye bye

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 10:21 | 550150 nhsadika
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$1 trillion in personal taxes collected / year - $ 1trillion military/security/war state = $0

Everything else is running on fumes (of ink jet printers).


Sat, 08/28/2010 - 09:10 | 550095 ISEEIT
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Just the site of Marla's name drew me to respond. Love your post too.


Sun, 08/29/2010 - 17:02 | 550279 kathy.chamberli...'s picture

your amazing

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 16:45 | 549127 Hephasteus
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First Name Fuck

Middle Name Your

Last Name War

All signed up.

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 22:42 | 549761 Bananamerican
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3 junks?

I dunno, i rather like this post

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 22:52 | 549772 kathy.chamberli...'s picture

me 2

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 18:02 | 550642 Nostradumbass
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Me too.

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 17:32 | 549233 Coast Watcher
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Rangel has put this in four or five times now, going back into the Bush II days when he did it to embarrass Bush over the war and what Rangel calls the unequal racial mix of the combat forces. It never gets out of committee, doesn't even get a cosponsor most times. The strange thing is that he put it in again during Obama's presidency. The bill went in before the ethics blow-up. Interesting.

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 18:08 | 549308 Marla And Me
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Thanks for the heads up Coast Watcher.  The problem that I have with this bill is that both parties have been using this language and pushing for some kind of mandatory civil service for the country for quite some time now.  Both Obama and McCain brought this kind of language up in their campaigns.  Given the language of the bill, and the fact that they seem to enjoy ramming through huge bill through Congress without reading them, I'm not inclined to trust our elected officials too much these days.

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 19:31 | 549463 Geoff-UK
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Democrat:  a man who wants to drive us to Socialism at 95 mph.

Republican:  a man who feels very strongly we should keep the speedometer at 55.

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 21:26 | 549615 Al Gorerhythm
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No, they're folk who want you to believe that the speedo' is registering 55, whilst traveling at the same speed as the Dems.

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 22:47 | 549767 Bananamerican
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no, Republicans want you to WEAR a speedo while they DO you!

Democrats want to GIVE you a FREE speedo.

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 16:32 | 550554 DosZap
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No,they give you one, and tell you not to wear it,tell you Ben Dover, and we will load you up!.

The Dems are really the Fudgepacker Party.(Broke Baaaack Mountain Party).

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 18:05 | 550643 Unscarred
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That is goddamn funny!

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 10:55 | 550195 ISEEIT
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Not inclined eh? WTF?

You ought to be so utterly creeped out that your soul cringes and you immediately recoil in disgust.

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 20:40 | 549551 wake the roach
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Citizen corps, Americorps, Senior corps yada yada yada... Yep, that is the future of "employment" and in time will become completely voluntary... What else are we going to do with our time when 90% plus of todays resource waste employment soon becomes history and the rest of our labor is largly replaced by technology... Welcome to what Marx correctly envisioned as pure communism...

Like it or not, capitalism is dead (as a means to produce monetary profit via labor by increasing energy consumption)...Tomorrows economic medium of energy exchange will be through credits (initially labelled rations) that are distributed freely and equally leaving every individual to pursue there own self interest which in a large part means voluntary service to others...

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"...

Collectivist hell or the painful beginning of a future of unlimited global wealth and human potential?... Who the fuck knows but you are welcome to quote me on this 5 years or so from now... Welcome to Obamas vision ;-)


Sat, 08/28/2010 - 10:43 | 550173 tmosley
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This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

Where do you think this magic technology is ging to come from that will produce everything that people need?  Who do you think is going to allocate the fruits of their production?  Who is going to maintain them.  People don't do any of this for free.  If you think they will, then you are welcome to join your Komrads in North Korea.

Sun, 08/29/2010 - 14:34 | 551564 Hulk
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Never, ever, question magic technology tmosley, its all the hopium we have left...

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 21:09 | 549602 OldTrooper
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Let's see what the Constitution says about mandatory national service:

Amendment 13
1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime
whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United
States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate

Thanks, but I think me and mine will skip national service.

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 22:08 | 549695 wake the roach
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Haha yeah, I'm sure that most of the worlds middle/upper class share your feelings today but that will change when the supermarket shelves are empty...

Remember that you are vastly outnumbered by the great disillusioned... The worlds population that capitalisms wealth and freedom forgot...

Do not underestimate the power of the social force that will be created when the worlds disillusioned are given economic freedom from the profit/labor system... Then provided with the tools and entrusted with the responsibility of becoming a valued contributer to the common wealth... Just sayin, think about it...


"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will pledge with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."


Henry Kissinger...









Sat, 08/28/2010 - 08:05 | 550065 Bendromeda Strain
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Politicians are such small minded plagiarists. Some cat named John said it much better a couple thousand years ago from his "writer's retreat" at the island of Patmos.


Sat, 08/28/2010 - 10:47 | 550184 tmosley
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You can only "free" the people from the profit/labor system at the point of a gun.  You have to continue pointing the gun at them forever.  Eventually, the gun will get heavy, and hte workers will get lazy.  Nothing will get done, and all will starve together.  That is the fruit of your demented ideology.

People doing what is best for themselves, while not intruding on the natural rights of others is what leads to an increase in societal capital.  NOTHING ELSE.  Every time some fat-fingered government, or some mind-expanded hippy has tried, it has ended in disaster, or at best, a reversion to primative tribalism.

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 12:53 | 550319 Gwynplaine (not verified)
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wake - after the supermarket shelves are empty, it's every man for himself. 

No doubt the next plan is for a command economy, but that just creates a zombie state (still standing but dead).  Soviet Russia lasted about 75 years. Castro's Cuba is pushing 60 right now.  Yep, we can sqeeze a few more generations out of this turnip going that route - pity anyone who will be alive in 2080 though.

Sun, 08/29/2010 - 01:16 | 550922 Ultranaut
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You forgot China. I guess they don't really fit with your argument though. I do think the rise of China has provided a new model the capitalist elites of the world find inspiring....

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 16:33 | 550558 DosZap
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Yep,getting real close to Amending their Constitutions.

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 02:00 | 549943 Whats that smell
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The reasoning is if a rich kid has to go to war there will not be as many "wars of choice" At least the kids dad will have to bribe a congressman to  get the child a soft job, Or the youth could do the Ted Nugent thing in boot camp. Rangel is a small time looter, what about all the white collar republican criminals?

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 10:27 | 550159 grunion
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They are doing fine, right along with the misguided, out-of-touch democrat criminals.

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 13:17 | 550344 New_Meat
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What's that?

This "rich kid" myth has been debunked so many times.  Mac Owens has kept up with and re-confirmed, e.g.:

Seems that the "dark green" types stay longer in Combat Service Support jobs, "light green" types going for the adventure in combat arms.  All of that is statistical, nothing to suggest that has any individual bearing.  Brother Roscoe would rip out my ... er ... tongue otherwise.

Rangel is just angling for the draft so the young crowd can experience tear gas up close and personal; then have something to tell their grandkids about.

- Ned

Sun, 08/29/2010 - 00:32 | 550905 IQ 145
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 "He wants Gold to be much lower"; people in Hell want ice water, or so they tell me.

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 14:11 | 548725 Alexandre Stavisky
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Everybody knows that the boat is leaking
Everybody knows that the captain lied
Everybody got this broken feeling
Like their father or their dog just died

Everybody talking to their pockets
Everybody wants a box of chocolates
And a long stem rose
Everybody knows

Everybody knows that you love me baby
Everybody knows that you really do
Everybody knows that you've been faithful
Ah give or take a night or two
Everybody knows you've been discreet
But there were so many people you just had to meet
Without your clothes
And everybody knows

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 17:50 | 549266 Arkadaba
Fri, 08/27/2010 - 19:21 | 549444 DoChenRollingBearing
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Leonard Cohen is the man.  Saw him (after waiting DECADES) last Dec.  Since I saw a lot of rock (etc.) concerts when I was young, now:

I never have to see another show again!

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 12:51 | 549671 ToNYC
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..but Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never give up.

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 22:55 | 549775 Bananamerican
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"and we read from pleasant Bibles

that are bound in blood and skin

that the wilderness is gathering all its children back again

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 01:15 | 549925 Arkadaba
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And found this tonight. Listen to the end - after he finishes the song - really brilliant spoken word / poetry or whatever - just good.

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 12:25 | 550290 gmrpeabody
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Fri, 08/27/2010 - 14:45 | 548800 Occams Aftershave
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They know they don't deserve it.  They also know they have a strong enough union to get it anyway.

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 15:09 | 548879 Gully Foyle
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Careless Whisper

WWIII ahead: Warfare defining human life by 2020 Commentary: 'Mother of all national security issues: desperate wars over food, water, energy'

By Paul B. Farrell, MarketWatch

ARROYO GRANDE, Calif. (MarketWatch) -- World War III is coming. Iraq and Afghanistan? Just warm-up acts. Foreign-policy blunders with huge economic consequences: Massive domestic debt handicapping future generations. But still just warm-up acts.

The main event: WWIII will engulf America in a "New Age of Warfare" with trillions and trillions and trillions of new debt, year after year after year. Yet we're silent, in denial. Nobody's talking about all this new debt ahead.

World War III: The Pentagon warns of "the mother of all national security issues ... By 2020 there is little doubt something drastic is happening," military officials told Fortune. "As the planet's carrying capacity shrinks, an ancient pattern of desperate, all-out wars over food, water, and energy supplies would emerge ... warfare is defining human life." This is a real game-changer, a paradigm shift, a turning point in human history, altering civilization. Listen closely:

WWIII: 'The mother of all national security issues'

Still you're in denial? Can't see, hear, believe? You hope we come back?

WWIII: 'By 2020 there is little doubt something drastic is happening'

More denial. We think short-term, this quarter, this election cycle. It'll work out.

WWIII: 'The planet's carrying capacity is shrinking'

And yet still you refuse to listen. It all sounds too eco-freak lefty.

WWIII: 'Desperate, all-out wars over food, water, and energy supplies'

Still you dismiss it as hype, propaganda, brainwashing from the Pentagon war machine.

And, yes, historians and shrinks agree you will stay in denial ... till it's too late.

Proof? Remember Jeremy Grantham. A savvy investor managing $100 billion in assets. Listen to his take on the 2008 meltdown: "Several dozen people saw this crisis coming for years. It seemed so inevitable and so merciless. Yet the bosses of Merrill Lynch and Citi, even Paulson and Bernanke, none saw it coming."

Greed blinds us. So we will be unprepared, miss the next disaster, meltdown, catastrophe ... the coming WWIII.

Why can't we open our eyes? Wake up before it's too late? Why don't we learn the lessons of history? Sadly, centuries of history prove we never change ... till it's too late.

Proof? Remember "This Time is Different: Eight Centuries of Financial Folly" by Carmen Reinhart and Kenneth Rogoff, two brilliant economists. They warn: "The lesson of history is there will always be a temptation to stretch the limits. One common theme, excessive debt accumulation -- whether government, banks, corporations, or consumers -- often poses greater systemic risks than it seems during a boom. We merrily roll along for an extended period, when bang ... confidence collapses, lenders disappear, a crisis hits. History does point to warnings signs that policy makers can look to access risk -- if only they do not become too drunk with their credit-bubble-fueled success and say, as their predecessors have for centuries, 'This time is different.'"


We're addicts, more is never enough, we ignore history lessons

Humans are addicted to greed, success, wealth. More is never enough: "The lesson of history is there will always be a temptation to stretch the limits." Leaders always stretch the limits, like gamblers who just can't go home till they lose everything.

Besides, that "mother of all national security issues won't happen till 2020?" Too far in the future, so our short-term brains dismiss it. ... So what if "the planet's carrying capacity in shrinking?" ... So what if "an ancient pattern of desperate, all-out wars over food, water, and energy supplies is emerging?" ... So what if "warfare defines human life?"

So what else is new? Wars: WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Kosovo, Iraq, Afghanistan. Think positive. Wars create new economic opportunities. The "green revolution." Job growth. Commodity deals. Innovations. Think positive. Technology will solve all future problems. Have faith. Trust. Wait. Enjoy life now.

Yes, WWIII is coming. And in 2020 we may wake up and remember we were warned about the disastrous consequences of invading Iraq back during the invasion when Nixon advisor Kevin Phillips wrote in Wealth and Democracy, warning: "Most great nations, at the peak of their economic power, become arrogant, wage great world wars at great cost, wasting vast resources, taking on huge debt, and ultimately burning themselves out."

The real reason ... we love wars, it's a macho ego thing

Now shift from the lessons of history to the lessons of psychology. Forget everything the Pentagon says. It's a distraction. The real reason WWIII is coming is not because "they" are attacking "us." ... Not because the GOP, Tea-Party, Reaganites and their beloved Reaganomics all love a crisis. ... Not because the Right believes it's written in Revelations ... Not because a secret conspiracy of the superwealthy believe wars are great for economic recovery.

No, WWIII is coming because Americans love war; it's in our psyche, genes, DNA, blood, our cultural mythology. Deep in our souls we are greedy war-mongers, war-profiteers ... we love wars.

WWIII is coming because America needs a war to prove that we really are still "king of the hill," the world's sole superpower. That we're not falling second to China and the rest of the world. Forget economics, politics, ideologies: WWIII is a macho ego thing.

We want to revive the days when John Wayne, Patton, "The Dirty Dozen," "Apocalypse Now" defined us; we were a nation of war heroes. Now our "heroes" are corrupt Wall Street fat-cat CEOs who lose billions and still retire rich, con men for Treasury secretaries, bought presidents, governors who resign early, lie to grand juries and walk the Appalachian trail, ad infinitum. We have lost face, lost faith in our heroes, in our world. Unlike thousands indicted after the S&L and Enron disasters, our dark heroes "get away with murder."

Destiny knocks ... the Righteous Right will lead us into WWIII

WWIII is coming because America needs a war, another great war. Admit it. We all sense it at a deep level. Yes we hate to admit the truth. It hurts too much to admit our moral weakness: America's losing power, swagger, mojo, cohones. We don't like feeling impotent, weak, vulnerable. So the bullying Right, the insecure, defensive and full-of-hate, dark side of the Party-of-No-No has decided to be the champion-of-the-return-to-the-glory-days ... and they are itching for new wars.

First: before WWIII we prepare with internal civil wars. The Right attacks the Left, spewing lies, feeding rage everywhere like the angry high school bully who lost the election for class president because his future was pure self-serving narcissism. Now ego bruised, second-best, he's consumed by hatred and revenge. Anything to regain the throne, no matter how immoral, corrupt, mean-spirited -- the end justifies the means.

WWIII is coming because once the Right gets back in power -- and they will soon -- a new Righteous Right White House will act swiftly to reestablish its sole superpower role. Remember "bomb, bomb, bomb Iran?" Under the laughter a hidden agenda. Some foreign-policy pundits agree we'd already be at war with Iran (and Islam) if the Bullying Right won the presidency.

When they win back the commander-in-chief role it will happen again, a repeat of the Cheney deceits that drove America into the Iraq-Afghan Wars.

WWIII will be intoxicating ... but will bankrupt the drunk's soul

Chris Hedges captures America's bizarre collective addiction to war. In "War is a Force that Gives Us Meaning" this former war correspondent describes how a "communal march against an enemy generates a warm, unfamiliar bond with our neighbors, our community, our nation, wiping out unsettling undercurrents of alienation and dislocation."

He reminds me of my days going off to the Marine Corps and Korea. As one reviewer put it, Hedges looks "at what makes war so intoxicating for soldiers, politicians and ordinary citizens," the "outbreaks of nationalism, the wartime silencing of intellectuals and artists, the ways in which even a supposedly skeptical press glorifies the battlefield and other universal features of war." Yes, yes, we love war.

WWIII is coming not because we have terrorists, dictators and evil men wanting to destroy and depose us. Not because "they" are attacking "us." WWIII is coming because we have surrendered the fight, surrendered our honor, our integrity, our values, our moral compass as a democracy. We have surrendered to a new god, to the almighty dollar, the new Invisible Hand that controls not just capitalism but our nation's very soul.

Bottom line: We are at war with ourselves. Split souls, a hero, a demon. But we do not like ourselves, can no longer face ourselves in the mirror. Why? Our dark side is winning. The other has surrendered. We have lost our "self" in denial. Now the Righteous Right is bullying us with hope of redemption. False hope. That's suicide.

Still we are waiting to start World War III. And if the wait is too long, the Right will start to "bomb, bomb, bomb" someone and trigger WWIII. It's a macho "ego thing." They got a lot to prove. Don't care if they destroy America in the process ... because they know they are Right. Yes, folks, the real "mother of all national security issues" is within us


Fri, 08/27/2010 - 15:46 | 549001 Idiot Savant
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Thanks for posting this Gulley, it's a good read. All I have to say is... Palin, Beck, Limbaugh. However, I shouldn't be scared of these nuts and their propaganda. It's the sheer number of hateful, bitter people, lining up to consume their rhetoric that really disturbs me.

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 16:00 | 549033 Suisse
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The article was complete garbage. Who is going to fight WWIII?

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 16:08 | 549052 Idiot Savant
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Lacking imagination are we Suisse?

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 17:51 | 549271 Johnny Bravo
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The millions of unemployed Americans, just hoping to get a job?

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 08:14 | 550071 Hephasteus
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Big shot without a gun.

Comedian without a fun.

Tragedy without a strategy.

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 12:52 | 549675 ToNYC
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WW trey is Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace

In your face, crude oil junkies!

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 02:51 | 549965 TobyJones
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Have you heard the national guard adds lately?   Join Up!  It's your only way out kiddies;)

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 02:53 | 549967 merehuman
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fingers on buttons, drones and bombs, haarp and scalar. All that from the safety of your bunker.

Curiously the elites also drink the water and breathe our air, why would they so befoul it? War makes no sense when you can hurt the enemy economically as in China could do it now with treasuries. I expect europe saw the moody/greece/euro manipulation that saved the dollar for a while. No doubt they will find a way to return the favor.

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 18:09 | 549315 Blano
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How convenient you left out Pelosi, Reid, and their fellow nuts and propoganda.

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 02:55 | 549968 merehuman
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"Pelosi, Reid and their fellow nuts and fruits(barny)and propaganda.


Fri, 08/27/2010 - 22:05 | 549693 robobbob
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if you'ld drop the R and D dichotomy, you might actually discover something. 

Haven't you noticed that Team Red starts little house keeping and empire expansion wars, while Team Blue starts massive body counters? Team Red runs deficits, Team Blue runs bigger ones. Team Red talks about increasing energy production, but doesn't, Team Blue talks about energy independence, but doesn't do it. Team Blue follows the same policies as Team Red, who follow the same policies as Team Blue. It almost as if the same people were calling all of the plays. Think about it.

century of self: track down every segment. it may be the most important thing you ever watch.

Until then, you're just a cheerleading tool of the owners watching from up in the skybox who have created the very conditioning you're complaining of, and are calling all of the plays. 

Go team blue!! Go team red!! fight, fight, fight


Fri, 08/27/2010 - 22:59 | 549778 Bananamerican
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amerikan political partisans=straight up blinkered fools

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 18:49 | 550687 CONners
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"Century of Self" is an excellent BBC documentary.  I had seen "The Trap" which is also directed by Adam Curtis.  Both of these shows are novel, compelling and extremely interesting.  Curtis has made several other documentaries that I will certainly want to watch and enjoy.  Thanks for the link.

Sun, 08/29/2010 - 12:27 | 551338 molecool
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Ah, Edward Bernaise - yes - the best documentary I ever saw. Second favorite was 'The Corporation'.

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 10:32 | 550163 grunion
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So, standing in judgement of all human kind, you must be God. Give me a call, there a few things I need to speak with you about.

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 11:01 | 550203 ArgentDawn
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Yeah this ought to cure the partisan divide...

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 17:19 | 549208 impending doom
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Ron Paul is no exception. Look into his "handlers" and tell me he's not part of the problem...

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 22:00 | 549680 Bringin It
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I was disappointed to read a lot of gung-ho war bs on Rand's campaign site.

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 10:33 | 550164 tmosley
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Ron and Rand are different people.  This (the pro-war BS) is why I never gave any money to Rand.

Ron, on the other hand, has been so consistantly right in everything he has said.  I have never heard him say a single word that wasn't ultimately true to his philosophy (libertarian) which is so close to my own (anarcho-capitalist).  It's hard, even for a master actor, to maintain an act like that for as long as he has.  And to give up power during the middle of your political career to practice medicine?  Unheard of.

Sun, 08/29/2010 - 11:16 | 551263 ATTILA THE WIMP

Peter Thiel is one of Ron Paul’s main advisors (read handler) and Mr. Thiel is a Bilderberger.

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 23:03 | 549784 Bananamerican
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mm yeah,

there is something in a desperate citizen that wants to love RP, that pines for some unfiltered Truth teller to emerge from our bloated body politic to whip the moneychangers from the american temple..... but there is just something a little OFF about RP

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 10:34 | 550165 grunion
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Give me a break. You want perfection? Jeez.....

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 14:40 | 550452 RockyRacoon
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... but there is just something a little OFF about RP

There is a LOT OFF about the rest of them.  Let's go for a guy who is just a LITTLE OFF for a change.   Ooops, sorry.  Didn't mean to use that "change" word.  I've had enough of this sort of change.

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 06:57 | 550039 pachanguero
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Ron Paul is the ONLY one we can trust.  How dare you make up lies about the only true Patriot in the congress!

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 17:31 | 549230 DCon
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There is a saying in Ireland that the 2 main political parties are 2 cheeks of the same arse. Same could be said for your lot.



ladeez and gentlemen. (r) and (d) are both the same. wake up. they both work for the banksters, not the people. with the exception of the honorable ron paul.

want to see gov out of control? welcome to the suburbs of new york city, where a local poleece chief makes $301,534 per year for fighting "crime", which really means giving out tickets for those that can't drive 55 on the highway. but that's a bargain of a salary for the good taxpayers because last year a neighboring small town poleece chief made $550,000.

i have no idea why they think they are worth 4x the salary of an f.b.i. agent.

you can't make this shit up.

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 01:11 | 549849 Rusty Shorts
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 the cifrão symbol

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 00:11 | 549864 Holden Caulfield
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Check out the City of Bell California

where the City Manager made close

to $800,000 a year.

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 14:31 | 548761 TeddyRoosevelt
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Turd, I'm a big fan.  Our friend Careless is right on - although I'm sure you know this.  One ruling class.  Two parties for the dog and pony show.  Collect gold, guns, ammo, and cars that will start when the balloon goes off.  Still looking for a big NRA flag to wave to avoid friendly fire on my way to nowhere.

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 15:21 | 548926 Turd Ferguson
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Thanks, TR. We all need to prepare accordingly for The End is near.

Not to be snobby, but you should research your namesake. He was a bad, bad dude. Real progressive, eugenic-loving prick. Look for a book called "The Imperial Cruise" by James Bradley. A real eye-opener.

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 15:32 | 548953 TeddyRoosevelt
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thanks for the heads up.  didn't choose it from any sense of admiration, just randomly for the sake of anonimity although i doubt such a thing exists online.  i'm sure he was the old-school chode of a prick he looked like.

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 07:16 | 550050 TBT or not TBT
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Walter Sobchak had excuses for his condition....and he could roll, man.

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 00:05 | 549857 hound dog vigilante
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Fuck the NRA.  They sold-out in the worst way.  A true constitutionalist would burn their NRA membership card and demand a refund.  The NRA is part of the problem.  Plenty of other second amendment group out there that maintain constitutional principles, unlike the NRA.

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 13:22 | 550352 Turd Ferguson
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God bless Glenn Beck.

A truly remarkable man.

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 13:37 | 550373 New_Meat
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500k people, no hate speach.  wonder how the spin will be? - Ned

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 13:54 | 548662 Sudden Debt
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At least Palin has nice tits...


Fri, 08/27/2010 - 17:30 | 548943 Cathartes Aura
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which apparently you are one of.

you should probably grow up soon.

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 21:56 | 549668 Moneygrove
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The fake palin does !!!!!!! porn star lisa ann !!!!!!!!!!

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 09:21 | 550104 Uncle Sugar
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Fri, 08/27/2010 - 14:08 | 548721 Roy Bush
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I'm so sick of the Democrat/Republican bullshit!  They are one in the same and a cover for the Fed and the other members of the ZOG.  

People complain about Obama increasing gov't spending...indeed he has but it is hard to say that Bush didn't do his fair share when he created the evil dept. of Homeland security which essentially doubled the size of government and ripped up the constitution.  Wasn't it also Bush that invaded a country based on lies?  

Get with the program people and stop recycling the same old bullshit they fill you with.  Democrats and Republicans are the same.

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 14:57 | 548831 Maniac Researcher
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The ZOG machine also controls the intensity of your hemorrhoid pain. In fact, as a jew, I manage that particular part of your daily discomfort. Let me just turn that knob a bit..that's better. This new setting will allow you to stay awake all night plagued by feverish dreams of the Zionist control of your digestive system. Have a nice night, fuckwit.

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 15:28 | 548947 Roy Bush
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Maniac (perhaps apropo), I can't see why anybody can deny the existence of the ZOG.  Also, you perhaps misconstrue what I say.  Because I can see the true nature of our government doesn't necessarily mean that I'm "anti-Jew".  

Not to see that 2% of the US population controls virtually all of our media outlets, the Fed, the IMF, the ECB, the World Bank, virtually all of the major investment banks, the upper echelons of our political systems, the pentagon, etc. is being naive (at best).  

Finally, why don't you keep your interest in ass-play to yourself.  I don't have any interest in it.

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 15:34 | 548964 Cathartes Aura
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Not to see that 2% of the US population controls virtually all of our media outlets, the Fed, the IMF, the ECB, the World Bank, virtually all of the major investment banks, the upper echelons of our political systems, the pentagon, etc. is being naive (at best).

not to mention the percentage of Israeli passport holders amongst those listed above - dual nationals in government positions, Zionists right up to the VP of Corporate UNITED STATES.

can you spell take-over?

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 22:06 | 549694 Bringin It
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I'm pleased to see words that plainly describe what has clearly happened.

I would like my country back.

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 08:17 | 550073 Hephasteus
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But they've sacrificed so much to become sacred.

All they need is your sympathy.

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 12:57 | 549678 ToNYC
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Bush 43 was a ruse. An strawman for all the military-industrialists who kept enforcement far away from the financial engineers behind the Wizard of OZ at Chris Cox's SEC and 33 Liberty.

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 14:34 | 548772 DosZap
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You gotta be fkkin nuts!.

No one, and I mean NO one, on this site, that could vote could prefer what the Dems have done, regardless of who the candidates where from the Repub side.

If you did, I KNOW your sorry now.Bush was far from great, but the monkey fkr we have now, and the marxist clowns he has pushing FULL blown Socialism down out throats, would never have been allowed under a Repub way.

We would still be in bad shape, but not anything like what we have now.

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 14:36 | 548778 TeddyRoosevelt
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wrong. same shape. same criminals.

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 14:43 | 548795 Spitzer
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I agree,  Obama's campaign was a bubble. Anyone who partisipated is an idiot.

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 18:12 | 549321 Blano
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Problem is, when you lay out THAT truth, everybody whines and calls you a meanie (how do you think I know this).

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 08:13 | 550068 Bendromeda Strain
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Fri, 08/27/2010 - 19:29 | 549456 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 1000 Spitzer.  We got some Change, but we have no Hope.

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 22:08 | 549698 Bringin It
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+ 2000 Spitzer.

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 23:14 | 549789 Bananamerican
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"I KNOW your (sic) sorry now.

Bush was far from great, but...

Dude, THAT'S where you jumped the shark....

Bush was/remains a craptacular dimwitted dick.

Obama? Just another smarmy corporate figurehead.

of late, every 4/8 years in amerika our oligarchs toss the national car keys to some other feckless vetted dick with a wink and a nod.

2012 will be no different

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 15:25 | 548940 Trundle
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Do you not understand the role of Bush/Cheny in 911 and the aftermath that gave us the Patriot Act, the war on terror, the Afghanistant and Iraq wars, homeland security, whole body scans at airports, etc.

Yes, the Democrats are the insane clown posse.  But to trap yourself in the left/right paradign and allow this lunacy to continue is a disservice to yourself. 

We can do better than that.

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 19:29 | 549460 DoChenRollingBearing
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Yes We Can!

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 23:24 | 549791 Bananamerican
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Fri, 08/27/2010 - 16:00 | 549030 Idiot Savant
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You're obviously the one that's nuts Dos. What's wrong, two pointless wars aren't enough for you warmongers? McCain and Palin, really, I mean seriously? Shouldn't you be on a bus and on the way to listen to your prophets, Beck & Palin?

Obama was the lesser of two evils, period, end of story. Please see Gully Foyle's above post, as it's spot on.

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 16:44 | 549138 DollarMenu
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The lesser of two evils is still evil.

On my presidential election ballot, I had several choices other than that of R or D, and a write-in space.

I chose Ralph Nader, whose tireless minions secured him a place on the ballot.

I left the thrill of picking the 'winning team' back in high school.

Now I try to choose the right team.

Sure, I get disappointments, but I can live with them and myself.

It is never between only the lesser of two evils.

Even abstaining from the vote would be better than picking evil.

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 17:04 | 549182 Nostradumbass
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This essay on the sham of voting and democracy hit the bull's eye when it was written some 25 years ago and it remains true today.

Sun, 08/29/2010 - 19:01 | 551957 chistletoe
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The sham has been understood for far longer than 25 years,

and its not unique to the USA, either:

`I know what you're thinking about,' said Tweedledum; `but it isn't so, nohow.'

`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'


`Do I look very pale?' said Tweedledum, coming up to have his helmet tied on. (He called it a helmet, though it certainly looked much more like a saucepan.)

`Well--yes--a little,' Alice replied gently.

`I'm very brave, generally,' he went on in a low voice: `only to-day I happen to have a headache.'

`And I've got a toothache!' said Tweedledee, who had overheard the remark. `I'm far worse than you!'

`Then you'd better not fight to-day,' said Alice, thinking it a good opportunity to make peace.

`We must have a bit of a fight, but I don't care about going on long,' said Tweedledum. `What's the time now?'

Tweedledee looked at his watch, and said `Half-past four.'

`Let's fight till six, and then have dinner,' said Tweedledum.

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 17:54 | 549277 Johnny Bravo
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Voting for Nader is the same as abstaining.

You might as well not even waste your time voting.

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 02:01 | 549946 faustian bargain
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Leaving politics aside, you are mathematically incorrect. Protest votes change vote percentages. Abstainers don't. Or rather, abstainers are giving their blessing to the winners by implied consent.

Sun, 08/29/2010 - 02:44 | 550977 RECISION
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Protest votes change vote percentages

Not really.

Do a proper statistical analysis, the swing vote is the real game changer.

Protest votes stay at an essentially constant background noise level.

Yes, there is a difference between swing and protest. Look it up.

And finally - No, Don't Vote, the only people who will win are politicians.

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 05:27 | 550010 jomama
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insightful as ever.

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 08:04 | 550064 New_Meat
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JB-a vote for Nader in FLA in 2000 was a vote for W.

Third parties have these nasty unintended consequences.

Schadenfreude rules!

- Ned

Sun, 08/29/2010 - 00:25 | 550902 mrgneiss
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JB just piped up cuz Nader sounds like Nadler.

Oops, there I go, ignoring my ignore rule.

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 12:58 | 549684 ToNYC
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You Fail to see the Evil of two lessers.

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 22:10 | 549703 Bringin It
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++ Nader

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 23:02 | 549783 Magat Guru
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Don't blame me -- I wrote-in CTHULHU. Why settle for the lesser evil?

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 00:12 | 549863 hound dog vigilante
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The "lesser of two evils" argument is a massive cop-out.

Supporting third party and independent candidates now will be the most critical vote(s) you will ever cast in your lifetime.

Voting R or D is the true waste. Lesser of two evils, my ass.


Sat, 08/28/2010 - 12:02 | 550260 Max Hunter
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Perfectly said.. 

If there is no opposition to the left/right paradigm, then how can they ever be beaten?

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 13:00 | 550327 ToNYC
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The Evil of Two Lessers (Rep/Dem) is the result.

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 23:22 | 549798 BrosMacManus
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At least w/ the Rs we could expect the extend and pretend charade to do both. At least there were jobs and we could get lulled into thinking the status quo wasn't so bad....That is, we ( I know I did) actually bought into the ME war rationale, even though there's really just a means to keep our warfighting abilities honed.

The Ds overestimated their mandate. They don't have a critical mass of moochers....yet. Wait 'til the Rs get their mojo back; you'd think they were giving Bubba a reacharound on the Whitewater and Lewinsky deals. 

I'm in FL, and that pantywaste Crist is the epitome of what's wrong w/ DC - career politicians of the R and D variety. DC's his kinda place. FL politics is all kinda f'd up, so I'll be voting for the perceived lesser of two evils, again.

San Fran Nan says she wanted to drain the swamp. It's actually time to call in the honey dippers and pump dry the overflowing port-o-let. Gotta thank Barry and his troupe though for making us realize this mess can't be cleaned up with a sanitary wipe. 


Sat, 08/28/2010 - 00:15 | 549866 hound dog vigilante
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" I'll be voting for the perceived lesser of two evils, again."



You are the problem, and you know it. Sad.

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 09:29 | 550110 BrosMacManus
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Oh wise one, please tell me, from your enlightened perch, EXACTLY how I'm the problem. I see the problem as the system, not me. You've obviously found the answer, so please share.

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 12:03 | 550264 Max Hunter
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You give support to the problem, i.e. the system. So therefore by default, you are part of the problem.. Why is that hard to understand?

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 10:45 | 550178 grunion
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You hit it, The problem is that all the shame felt by the white apologists (clearly in evidence by the junks and responses) will not let them admit the truth you have laid out.

Sun, 08/29/2010 - 09:39 | 551153 Pat Hand
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You are wrong.

Bush policies have destroyed the future of America. 

I want my country back from neocons.

I want my country back from K-street.

I want my country back from large corporate oligarchy.

You have zero understanding of "Marxist" and "socialism"; there have been plenty of opportunities for this administration to veer towards socialism and it hasn't done so.  Obama is governing like a moderate republican.  The political spectrum runs from moderate to fascist.  There are no non-statists in power, but the left is providing much more than the right for the majority of the populace.

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 14:36 | 548775 trav7777
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Anyone who voted for either major party candidate wasted their vote

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 14:37 | 548781 TeddyRoosevelt
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thank you trav.  always have loved the avatar.

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 15:05 | 548855 1100-TACTICAL-12
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Ron Paul 2012

He ain't the best. But right now he's the best we have.

Judge A. Napolitano for VP. How bout that ticket?

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 15:37 | 548975 Cathartes Aura
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no, the "best we have" is FREEDOM, stop perpetuating the myth of "voting".



and trav, you've been rocking the threads lately, your posts burn!

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 18:30 | 549356 thesapein
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I hear you. Voting has replaced the idea of daily action being important. People seem to check in only to vote instead of doing things like "voting" with daily decisions, such as doing business with a bankster (or not), trading in silver and gold, refusing to pay off IRS thugs, all sorts of more important stuff than merely placing a vote that might or might not be counted properly. 

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 23:21 | 549797 Cathartes Aura
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"voting" only happens every so often, particularly in the upper echelons of gov't.

this allows people to put off any real thinking or action until it's "time to vote" - it's always "just you wait, we'll vote you out in 3 years!!!11!"  meantime, they're getting repeatedly fkt over with new laws further eroding their "rights" - what those might be today ^^

seriously, people need to get over the game that's been set up before them, overturn the tables, and walk away from the rules.

'course, I'm not holding my breath, plenty of work to be done in the present.

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 11:34 | 550231 Holden Caulfield
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Actually voting occurs once each year on April 15

when you send in your hard earned money to the government to spend as it sees fit.

Why not keep your money. The government and the Fed can just print up a little more to make up the difference?




Sat, 08/28/2010 - 12:30 | 550299 New_Meat
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would that it were only on 4/15--the revolt would be instantaneous. - Ned

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 16:15 | 549073 Turd Ferguson
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Works for me. How about:

SecTreas: Peter Schiff

Head of EconCouncil: Hugh Hendry

Head of OMB: Albert Edwards

SecState: John Bolton

SecDef: "Tyler Durden"

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 17:23 | 549219 kathy.chamberli...'s picture

head honcho: M A X    K E I S E R

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 17:55 | 549283 Johnny Bravo
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Peter Schiff?  John Bolton?


How about SecEd: George W Bush?

Fri, 08/27/2010 - 19:32 | 549467 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 3 points to Bravo!  Field goal from 45 yards.  LOL.

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 02:06 | 549948 i-dog
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P.S. Only time I've ever agreed with you.

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 02:13 | 549950 Whats that smell
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Vote for Pedro he has a Moustache

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