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I'm pleased to see words that plainly describe what has clearly happened.
I would like my country back.
But they've sacrificed so much to become sacred.
All they need is your sympathy.
Bush 43 was a ruse. An strawman for all the military-industrialists who kept enforcement far away from the financial engineers behind the Wizard of OZ at Chris Cox's SEC and 33 Liberty.
You gotta be fkkin nuts!.
No one, and I mean NO one, on this site, that could vote could prefer what the Dems have done, regardless of who the candidates where from the Repub side.
If you did, I KNOW your sorry now.Bush was far from great, but the monkey fkr we have now, and the marxist clowns he has pushing FULL blown Socialism down out throats, would never have been allowed under a Repub admin...no way.
We would still be in bad shape, but not anything like what we have now.
wrong. same shape. same criminals.
I agree, Obama's campaign was a bubble. Anyone who partisipated is an idiot.
Problem is, when you lay out THAT truth, everybody whines and calls you a meanie (how do you think I know this).
+ 1000 Spitzer. We got some Change, but we have no Hope.
+ 2000 Spitzer.
"I KNOW your (sic) sorry now.
Bush was far from great, but...
Dude, THAT'S where you jumped the shark....
Bush was/remains a craptacular dimwitted dick.
Obama? Just another smarmy corporate figurehead.
of late, every 4/8 years in amerika our oligarchs toss the national car keys to some other feckless vetted dick with a wink and a nod.
2012 will be no different
Do you not understand the role of Bush/Cheny in 911 and the aftermath that gave us the Patriot Act, the war on terror, the Afghanistant and Iraq wars, homeland security, whole body scans at airports, etc.
Yes, the Democrats are the insane clown posse. But to trap yourself in the left/right paradign and allow this lunacy to continue is a disservice to yourself.
We can do better than that.
Yes We Can!
You're obviously the one that's nuts Dos. What's wrong, two pointless wars aren't enough for you warmongers? McCain and Palin, really, I mean seriously? Shouldn't you be on a bus and on the way to listen to your prophets, Beck & Palin?
Obama was the lesser of two evils, period, end of story. Please see Gully Foyle's above post, as it's spot on.
The lesser of two evils is still evil.
On my presidential election ballot, I had several choices other than that of R or D, and a write-in space.
I chose Ralph Nader, whose tireless minions secured him a place on the ballot.
I left the thrill of picking the 'winning team' back in high school.
Now I try to choose the right team.
Sure, I get disappointments, but I can live with them and myself.
It is never between only the lesser of two evils.
Even abstaining from the vote would be better than picking evil.
This essay on the sham of voting and democracy hit the bull's eye when it was written some 25 years ago and it remains true today.
The sham has been understood for far longer than 25 years,
and its not unique to the USA, either:
`I know what you're thinking about,' said Tweedledum; `but it isn't so, nohow.'
`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
`Do I look very pale?' said Tweedledum, coming up to have his helmet tied on. (He called it a helmet, though it certainly looked much more like a saucepan.)
`Well--yes--a little,' Alice replied gently.
`I'm very brave, generally,' he went on in a low voice: `only to-day I happen to have a headache.'
`And I've got a toothache!' said Tweedledee, who had overheard the remark. `I'm far worse than you!'
`Then you'd better not fight to-day,' said Alice, thinking it a good opportunity to make peace.
`We must have a bit of a fight, but I don't care about going on long,' said Tweedledum. `What's the time now?'
Tweedledee looked at his watch, and said `Half-past four.'
`Let's fight till six, and then have dinner,' said Tweedledum.
Voting for Nader is the same as abstaining.
You might as well not even waste your time voting.
Leaving politics aside, you are mathematically incorrect. Protest votes change vote percentages. Abstainers don't. Or rather, abstainers are giving their blessing to the winners by implied consent.
Protest votes change vote percentages
Do a proper statistical analysis, the swing vote is the real game changer.
Protest votes stay at an essentially constant background noise level.
Yes, there is a difference between swing and protest. Look it up.
And finally - No, Don't Vote, the only people who will win are politicians.
insightful as ever.
JB-a vote for Nader in FLA in 2000 was a vote for W.
Third parties have these nasty unintended consequences.
JB just piped up cuz Nader sounds like Nadler.
Oops, there I go, ignoring my ignore rule.
You Fail to see the Evil of two lessers.
Don't blame me -- I wrote-in CTHULHU. Why settle for the lesser evil?
The "lesser of two evils" argument is a massive cop-out.
Supporting third party and independent candidates now will be the most critical vote(s) you will ever cast in your lifetime.
Voting R or D is the true waste. Lesser of two evils, my ass.
If there is no opposition to the left/right paradigm, then how can they ever be beaten?
The Evil of Two Lessers (Rep/Dem) is the result.
At least w/ the Rs we could expect the extend and pretend charade to do both. At least there were jobs and we could get lulled into thinking the status quo wasn't so bad....That is, we ( I know I did) actually bought into the ME war rationale, even though there's really just a means to keep our warfighting abilities honed.
The Ds overestimated their mandate. They don't have a critical mass of moochers....yet. Wait 'til the Rs get their mojo back; you'd think they were giving Bubba a reacharound on the Whitewater and Lewinsky deals.
I'm in FL, and that pantywaste Crist is the epitome of what's wrong w/ DC - career politicians of the R and D variety. DC's his kinda place. FL politics is all kinda f'd up, so I'll be voting for the perceived lesser of two evils, again.
San Fran Nan says she wanted to drain the swamp. It's actually time to call in the honey dippers and pump dry the overflowing port-o-let. Gotta thank Barry and his troupe though for making us realize this mess can't be cleaned up with a sanitary wipe.
"...so I'll be voting for the perceived lesser of two evils, again."
You are the problem, and you know it. Sad.
Oh wise one, please tell me, from your enlightened perch, EXACTLY how I'm the problem. I see the problem as the system, not me. You've obviously found the answer, so please share.
You give support to the problem, i.e. the system. So therefore by default, you are part of the problem.. Why is that hard to understand?
You hit it, The problem is that all the shame felt by the white apologists (clearly in evidence by the junks and responses) will not let them admit the truth you have laid out.
You are wrong.
Bush policies have destroyed the future of America.
I want my country back from neocons.
I want my country back from K-street.
I want my country back from large corporate oligarchy.
You have zero understanding of "Marxist" and "socialism"; there have been plenty of opportunities for this administration to veer towards socialism and it hasn't done so. Obama is governing like a moderate republican. The political spectrum runs from moderate to fascist. There are no non-statists in power, but the left is providing much more than the right for the majority of the populace.
Moronic FALSE DILEMMA.
Anyone who voted for either major party candidate wasted their vote
thank you trav. always have loved the avatar.
Ron Paul 2012
He ain't the best. But right now he's the best we have.
Judge A. Napolitano for VP. How bout that ticket?
no, the "best we have" is FREEDOM, stop perpetuating the myth of "voting".
and trav, you've been rocking the threads lately, your posts burn!
I hear you. Voting has replaced the idea of daily action being important. People seem to check in only to vote instead of doing things like "voting" with daily decisions, such as doing business with a bankster (or not), trading in silver and gold, refusing to pay off IRS thugs, all sorts of more important stuff than merely placing a vote that might or might not be counted properly.
"voting" only happens every so often, particularly in the upper echelons of gov't.
this allows people to put off any real thinking or action until it's "time to vote" - it's always "just you wait, we'll vote you out in 3 years!!!11!" meantime, they're getting repeatedly fkt over with new laws further eroding their "rights" - what those might be today ^^
seriously, people need to get over the game that's been set up before them, overturn the tables, and walk away from the rules.
'course, I'm not holding my breath, plenty of work to be done in the present.
Actually voting occurs once each year on April 15
when you send in your hard earned money to the government to spend as it sees fit.
Why not keep your money. The government and the Fed can just print up a little more to make up the difference?
would that it were only on 4/15--the revolt would be instantaneous. - Ned
Works for me. How about:
SecTreas: Peter Schiff
Head of EconCouncil: Hugh Hendry
Head of OMB: Albert Edwards
SecState: John Bolton
SecDef: "Tyler Durden"
head honcho: M A X K E I S E R
Peter Schiff? John Bolton?
How about SecEd: George W Bush?
+ 3 points to Bravo! Field goal from 45 yards. LOL.
P.S. Only time I've ever agreed with you.
Vote for Pedro he has a Moustache
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