End of Empire – Propaganda and the American Myth

End of Empire – Propaganda and the American Myth “Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive”….ourselves. With apologies to Sir Walter Scott. If only life were as neat and orderly as my ancient history text book showed it to be. There it was on glossy paper, spread out across two sets of adjoining pages, maps of the ancient and modern world. Including time lines top and bottom, with countries outlined and identified. Underneath their modern English names were one or two older names in smaller stylized script, often including exact beginning and end dates. I remember one in particular that caught my eye. “United States of America” followed by the year 1776. But with no end date indicated, it looked like unfinished business to me. You’ve got to love those historians and their exact dates. Of course, in reality there are no exact dates for the birth and death of city/states, other than in the author’s mind. Children continue to be born, the old still die, and life goes on under different circumstances. But you’re rarely informed of the subjective nature of historical events when you’re young and impressionable, so they’re presented in the history books as fact. The last thing the reigning Empire wants is to appear uncertain about previous Empires. Even before we begin to read and comprehend on our own, we’re presented with the illusion of a beginning and end to everything, often with very clear lines of demarcation. This concept is continuously reinforced through our daily indoctrination of carefully scripted news stories, care of our modern media saturated existence. Naturally, critical thinking is optional and definitively not encouraged. Mix in a healthy dose of hard core science, where you learn very early there are correct and incorrect answers to all your questions, and a pattern of social myth making emerges. Of course, the correct answers are held for public safekeeping by our cultural high priests and authority figures, be they academic, governmental, scientific or religious. Lest you forget, cultural icons and heroes must always be respected and deferred to. Maybe now’s a good time to remember that most history and science books are written and re-written by those very same keepers of the public mythology. What we believe as a culture, sometimes called our public myth, is usually determined by those whose pockets are the deepest or most powerful, not by those who are the wisest and most knowledgeable. Have you ever read a book written by the survivors of the vanquished, the so called losers? I have, a number of times, and it’s usually very enlightening to see the world from the other side of the bloody divide. In their hands, our cultural myths aren’t treated with the same loving care and respect we afford them, nor should they be. But of course they must be lying because they have an ax to grind. Revisionist history is how those in power politely describe the writings of the defeated and the victims crushed in the head long rush of conquering empire. The public myth tells us that the losers can do nothing but taut the victorious with their lies. Ignore them and they’ll go away. Besides, the winners never lie about the facts, though we’re told there’s plenty of room for differences of opinion. And just about everything can be reduced to an opinion if you’re looking to obscure. Of course, one of the unspoken duties of the winners is to distort the written and visual record, so that it conforms to the public myth. This is the principle reason why recently retired or replaced holders of powerful governmental and military positions are handed huge advances to write their memoirs. These sacred tomes of divine wisdom are quickly embraced by other propagandists as the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help their Gods of propaganda. Once in hand, it’s quickly woven into the fabric of the public myth as supporting documentation. Thus another slice of the propaganda cycle is complete and ready for its next rotation. We possess extremely complex belief systems and world views. How they develop and evolve is greatly influenced by external information sources we rarely question or challenge. After all, these sources are our cultural authority figures, the experts, professionals and intelligentsia that form our cultural propaganda delivery and support system. These sources cannot be seriously questioned, particularly from within, without being declared a heretic. Just look at how Zero Hedge, and other non-conforming web sites, are treated as an example of how heresy is handled these days. While we may not pay much attention to everything we hear or see, our unconscious is absorbing it all, raw and unfiltered. This information feeds into and supports our world view with little conscious thought or scrutiny. This is the reason why repetition is so vitally important to effective propaganda. Our brain always absorbs even when we do not look and listen. It’s shocking to realize how seldom we change our basic beliefs or understanding when confronted with new information that normally would affect change. Instead, we bend or ignore facts to fit our established world view. John Maynard Keynes once said “When the facts change, I change my opinion. What do you do, sir?” Sadly most people don’t subscribe to this logical practice. Instead, conformation bias and denial are the tools we use to manage and manipulate information to our liking. And there are plenty of governmental, corporate and private citizens ready to help us accomplish this through deliberate and targeted propaganda. The most common personal warning sign that this is happening is the pain of cognitive dissonance, which is usually set off when new information is in conflict with long established and dearly held views. Rarely do we push through this cognitive pain to reappraise our inventory of established truths for validity or relevance. It’s so much easier to discard ugly deviations, or cherry pick information that confirms our preferred vision, rather than conduct the top to bottom review that’s called for when the facts change. Intellectual laziness is the polite term for this phenomenon. I think a more honest explanation is deliberate and mostly conscious denial. However, even when I’m alert for and aware of this phenomenon, I’m still surprised how often I participate. It’s frightening to see how deeply conditioned we are in the art of self deception. The truth hurts, so I employ the most powerful pain killer know to man, that of denial. It’s extremely difficult to reject popular opinion and strike out on our own independent path. Group think is indoctrinated into us from birth and socially rewarded at every turn. It’s emotionally safer and more comfortable if you stay near the center of the pack. Herd mentality in all its glory, which is corralled by the public myth and which we too are the keepers. I often say all writers are essentially propagandists and that applies to me as well. I’m using this forum to cherry pick information which I then present in the most compelling manner to make my case. In effect, I’m feeding you my spin, which along with other pieces can be used to build a myth. The most effective propaganda is that whose basic premise is slipped by the reader or TV viewer so smoothly it’s never recognized. Once the premise is planted and accepted, the hard work is done and the fish is quickly reeled in. What’s that you say? You’re too smart to let the wool be pulled over your eyes? That you can discern truth from lies and would eventually figure it out given enough time and inclination? Honestly ask yourself, how much effort would you put into examining something you already believe to be true? Wouldn’t you deem it a major waste of your time? Consider the premise I put forth in the title of this article. Did you notice? Did you question? Or did you accept and start to read? Most people see information as chunks of data that can be compartmentalized, examined and manipulated. But rarely do we recognize that many of the truths we hold as impeccable are based upon long lines of information. If at any point this information could be proven false, the entire line is suspect, along with your impeccable truth. Consider a long string of mathematical calculations. While there may be dozens of individual problems with separate answers, each answer then feeds into another calculation as a sum or variable. Make a mistake at any point in the line and the entire data stream is corrupt. How we view our world is based upon many preconceived notions and beliefs. Change just one small piece we previously thought correct and everything changes to some extent. Change two or three and suddenly we have a crisis of confidence and a cognitive dissonance. Yet when we feel that pain, how often do we reboot and reexamine everything? Why would you reexamine what you think you know to be correct, particularly when most everyone else is in agreement? Peer pressure and conditioning are hard to resist, even in the privacy of your own mind. “We are never deceived; we deceive ourselves.” – Johann Wolfgang von Goethe My basic premise and the basis for this series of articles is that the American Empire is ending. In fact, it has peaked and is now in rapid decline. While I can’t offer an exact date for this change of direction, it doesn’t diminish my argument in the least. I’d be hard pressed to give you the date for the decline of the Roman Empire, but clearly it followed the same trajectory. Did Rome’s downward spiral start when the capital was moved to Constantinople in 330 AD? Or when Rome was sacked by the Visigoths in 410 AD? It matters little at this point, except to the historians. While America descends, China and India ascend. Actually I would argue that while Empires come and go, the culture of environmental and human exploitation and destruction we call civilization has grown in efficiency over the past 3000 years. We Americans now stand proudly at the pinnacle of the insanity, picking up where the Romans and Europeans left off. I’ll leave that thought for another day but I think you get my point. America as a social and financial entity ceased to function at peak efficiency decades ago. This rapid decline is the main reason behind the massive increase in financial engineering, which is now coming apart at the seams, deliberately in my view. To argue over this or that detail is to be in denial of the obvious. In fact, I consider the official bickering over these details as a deliberate attempt to distort and distract while the final looting and rape occurs. Using propaganda and other psychological operations, our leaders lie about the economic condition of America. They do so not because they expect the lie to withstand close scrutiny, but rather to enable those who wish to believe the lie a plausible excuse to do so. Remember our conditioning. When in doubt, defer to authority and suspend disbelief. A classic sales technique is the assumed consent close. Rather than directly asking you to purchase this new car, I simply assume you are purchasing and begin asking you closing questions. “Do you prefer the red one we looked at first or the blue convertible with the beige interior? Could you please get your insurance card out of the glove box before you clean out your car? Just sign here and here. Thanks.” You’d be surprised how many new automobiles, rooms of household furniture, whole life insurance, variable annuities and pieces of expensive jewelry are sold in this manner. Something similar to this technique is being used by the mass media to sell us something we already wish to buy. Only they aren’t selling the death of America, but rather its remarkable resilience and miraculous comeback. We’re being sold false hope, disguised as assumed consent questions such as, should we audit the Fed, can we expand healthcare with a public option, will Son of Stimulus be rolled out by the first or second quarter of 2010, should we……..well, you get the picture. False hope binds us to impossible conditions and situations. Please read that statement again and then let it sink in for a minute. As long as we believe there’s residual value in keeping America on life support, we’ll continue to pour borrowed money into this mess, rather than roll up the derivatives, fire the managers and start over. We don’t wish to face the reality that we’re in way over our heads. As long as we’re not forced to look too closely at the horrible condition our country’s in, we’re all too willing to do our part and avoid applying critical thinking to the subject. Like an old bull unknowingly led to slaughter because he thinks he’s off to mount another cow, we’re desperately trying to keep alive the magical American myth of life, liberty and apple pie while shielding our eyes from the rotting corpse it’s rapidly becoming. That’s probably too harsh for the average American’s sensibilities, but let’s ask ourselves a few questions in an effort to find the truth, or at least something approaching the truth as we know it. Let me be clear on something before I get flamed for my harsh tongue. I’m not America bashing in the least. I’m America myth bashing. The American myth of exceptionalism is enabling her destruction as we stand idly by, applauding the mythical facade our leaders and media display 24/7. As long as we cling to the hope that all she needs is a tune up and some minor repairs, we’re condemned to a long and painful death spiral. We’re being sold exactly what we want to hear when we need to hear it. To claim otherwise is to lie to ourselves and to each other. America is crumbling from the foundation up, and yet we gather around the TV, talking about a fresh paint job and a new screen door, both bought on credit, while handing our grandchildren a bill they’ll never be able to pay. The only way we can live with this lie while perpetrating these despicable acts upon our own family members is to deny it’s even happening. The big lie, which we must continue to tell ourselves, has taken on a life of its own and is consuming everyone and everything in its path. We are addicted to our own public myth and to sustain the lie, we simply ignore the truth. The only way to break through this lie is to go back through decades of propaganda and myth and find out what went wrong. Since this would be too painful, both individually and as a society, we distort reality as quickly as we change cable channels. It’s not just our leaders who are corrupt but we as well. We have become cowardly, unwilling to commit to the tough decision of setting aside instant gratification in order to assure our grandchildren a home to live in. This is the ultimate act of selfishness, compounded by the fact that we claim we’ve been hijacked by our leaders. Sadly, our leaders are doing exactly what we want them to do, which is to continue the lie. Did we really think we could put our toys and war machines on the charge card and not worry about the bill, just because some politicians said we could? What are we, 5 year olds, pointing our fingers elsewhere when asked who broke the vase? Even if we personally followed the path of fiscal prudence, why didn’t we scream bloody murder, demanding we stop this insanity before the country began its suicidal plunge? Why do we still remain silent? Our hands are bloody and the only question is, how much is yours and how much is mine. Citizenship is all about individual responsibility, something we’ve been avoiding for a while now, at least since we started calling ourselves consumers. Look at the endless propaganda on TV that’s used to lull us back into a drugged stupor, so we don’t dwell on what we’re doing to our children’s children. American flags wave in the background as chiseled men and full breasted women expound on how wonderful we are for building and loving this great nation of ours. The great American love story, brought to you nightly on prime time TV. This is where the bad guys always loose, men are men and women are sexual objects to lust after. Watch closely children, this is the American dream. Why wouldn’t we love America the myth? It’s everything we want without the pain. Nationalism is our unifying religion, a potentially fatal addiction to our public myth that enables us to fiddle while America burns. More drugs over here doctor, the patient’s waking up. So how do we deal with this, and what does this have to do with Zero Hedge? Well, I would say it has everything to do with ZH, but then again I’m just a propagandist, weaving my magical myth. But to be honest, in desperation I’m seeking another way, a different path. I’m tired of moving in and out of the various stages of loss and grief. One moment I’m screaming at my zombie neighbor, imploring him to wake up and see the insanity. The next I’m filled with self righteous indignation as another patsy banker’s head is placed on the public pike. Sometimes I start my morning bargaining with unseen powers, begging for a truce or cease fire, only to end my day crying in my hands in fear and frustration of it all. And I’m not alone. Zero Hedge seems to be a refuge for the walking wounded, a safe haven inside occupied territory for the psychically damaged and demoralized. But we need more than rest and relaxation in order to regain our feet. We need to heal and grow our ranks, to find a way to help ourselves and those who follow us into the refuge. Surrounded by lies and deceit, we are indoctrinated to such an extent that we still speak the language of denial without realizing it. We have no choice but to start at the beginning. While Zero Hedge speaks truth to power, we need to speak truth to ourselves, to talk openly about what has happened and where we’re going. Part of the seduction of denial is the avoidance of personal responsibility. In my view this must stop, thus my declaration that we’re all responsible for this mess. I have no doubt America can be repaired but the process starts at the personal level. From a financial point of view, I’m sure we’ve all held a winning trade past its prime, giving back money we should have booked. And who hasn’t kept a dog way too long, when we should have thrown it overboard months ago? While I’m certain there are multiple reasons for poor investment performance, a fearless and thorough examination often shows that bad investment decisions are the result of personal shortcomings, such as wishful thinking or denial. For myself, when this happens, I find I’ve violated one or more of my trading rules. They are as follows. One, know myself, particularly my strengths and weaknesses. Two, know my trading environment or don’t play in the sandbox. Three, always consider the other side of trade. If I’m buying, why is the other guy selling? If I’m selling, why is the other guy buying? Look for weakness in my thinking. Four, from time to time, mentally clear my computer screen of existing positions and then follow step three with each holding. If I wouldn’t buy or sell it now, why am I holding it? Five, trust my instincts, not my heart. My heart lies to me all the time with plenty of help from my brain. Instinctually I usually know when to buy or sell but often I ignore my gut feeling and wind up screwing the pooch. Over the years I’ve found that too much thinking gets in the way and often makes things worse. These trading rules, as with life itself, requires a clear eyed view and a deeper understanding of ourselves, our fellow man and the real world, not as we wish to see it but as it really is. Unfortunately we still engage in wishful thinking way too often, constantly pushing the hope “dope” button and regretting it afterwards. Considering the direction our world is headed, it’s going to be more difficult to think clearly unless we make personal changes. Old habits die hard because we desperately cling to them for emotional support. Understanding why we do this will go a long way to helping us jettison that old baggage. Even if we are trapped on the crazy train to hell, just because we can’t get off doesn’t mean we must participate in the insanity. So with the active participation of my fellow Zero Hedge readers, I would like to continue this exploration in a series of “End of Empire” articles, each time focusing on a different aspect of the unraveling. We need to develop our intellectual, emotional and financial coping techniques. Of particular importance to me will be the comments and feedback I get from you, for I assure you I don’t have all the answers. This isn’t a rally to arms but rather a cry for help. Either we heal as a community or we continue to hemorrhage, alone and isolated. It’s going to be a wild ride so let’s buckle up and do this together. After all, there’s safety in numbers, inside the new herd mentality of Zero Hedge. Cognitive Dissonance
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on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 18:04
#145605
I hear you can cope by moving to Costa Rica...
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 09:38
#146155
Is the body (USA) dead and we, "the memory of the body", trying to get the heart restarted? And if the body IS dead, are we just "beating a dead horse"?
I read comments like this one on many forums; "you can move to (fill in the blank)". But if you haven't done it by now, isn't it WAY too late.
If you haven't taken action by now, didn't you lie to yourself too long? Perhaps, you bought "the sleep" in another way? Was it just too good to leave? Could you not tell yourself the truth in time? Perhaps the act was harder than the thought?
Do you really believe that something dead can be brought back to life?
I appreciate this article so much, as the underlying premise was alive for me many years ago. I had to leave everything, to live my truth (and "my truth" is not your truth; so I am not suggesting it.) But, I can tell you: the truth of what has happened to my country of birth is seen much clearer from here in a country with no military. And I don't think anything will stop the US military machinery (Ike warned us. We didn't listen.)
Thank you for your article, Dissonance. We share a common heart.
Alive in CR
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 18:24
#145620
I really enjoy your writing, CD. You've got the perspective to step back and look at ourselves as actors on this stage. I fully agree this is critical. I will put another tendency in your list, as I didn't see it here explicitly, though I'm sure you have mentioned this in the past. Many of us (if not all) like to think that "yeah, this train is going off the rails, but because I can see it going off the rails, I can profit from it and come out on top of the remaining heap." I admit to this tendency myself. How many of us who read ZH are taking positions that would benefit us in the case of seriously damaging events to the economy? Is that a good thing? I do it because I think to do otherwise is financial suicide, but that doesn't change the fact that I am looking to profit from destruction. How do we get back to an environment where I feel like I can contribute with genuine confidence to trying to build a future rather than trying to survive its destruction? I'm listening. Great forum. Thank you.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 20:49
#145723
The key thing to remember is that we are not causing the market destruction through our own actions. We know that markets are manipulated and that, at some point, the train will run off the rails and there will be heavy destruction. At that point we have a choice: do we go down with the others, or do we get set to pick up the dollars that will be laying on the ground as the smoke clears?
It would be similar to shouting "fire!!!" in a burning building while heading toward an exit. We alert others, and we help others as we can, but we still head toward safety. If somebody is fool enough to sit staring at a computer screen while the ceiling above bursts into flame, we have no more obligation to him if he waved us off, ignoring our warnings. While we may feel bad for getting to the exit safely while he perished, we can't feel guilty for the poor schmoos who refused to listen.
Personally, my plan is to take the proceeds of shorting the ill-fated market and literally head for the hills. We already have a microfarm in mind, and we will contribute to society and to our eventual retirement in ways other than through the market casino. My relatives all have heard my reasoning, and they are so far into the land of denial that I am not going to be invited for Christmas because they see me as a nutcase...
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 22:03
#145783
Many of us (if not all) like to think that "yeah, this train is going off the rails, but because I can see it going off the rails, I can profit from it and come out on top of the remaining heap."
Thank you for your kind words. I plan on discussing this subject in my next "End of Empire" posting, as part of a bigger picture look at waking the zombie nation. When you start down this rabbit hole, where do you stop? What are "we" responsible for regarding our fellow travelers, awake or not?
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 18:33
#145627
your End of Empire angle is just another example of "endless propaganda". congratulations, you've chosen your pet grand narrative and exposed your pomo criticism of myth as just an attempt to legitimize your favorite narrative.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 09:52
#146163
congratulations on recognizing the next level of the grand philosophical chessboard. too bad it is wrapped in yet another endless example of destructive criticism to legitimize your intellectual superiority, instead of an honest attempt to contribute something constructive to the conversation.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 18:34
#145628
CD.... this genuinely is a masterpiece. Magnificent. Incredibly well written.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 18:37
#145632
Even ZH has an obvious problem. Too many here are obsessed with Ayn Rand and her works. Read Pluto's Republic instead.
As i said to a close friend just days before, America's problem isn't profit motivation, nor lack of able minds/industrious hands. Your problem stems from a political system that is fundamentally flawed; unfortunately most of you americans are too basked in your own (indoctrinated?) idealism to question the very tenets of your civilisation.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 20:02
#145692
Could not agree with you more! If you study the writings of America's Founding Fathers, they warned against many of today's political ailments, fiscal irresponsibility and career politicians among them...
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 22:50
#145827
Plato's Republic. Pluto is Mickey Mouse's pet dog.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 00:26
#145916
Maybe he really did mean Pluto's Republic.
Could be.
Never know.
Eh?
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 18:40
#145634
what will people do when they finally realize, theres no one to save them? intellectual laziness as a past lifestyle may inhibit their ability to first accept that they have to save themselves, and then figure out that cooperation is the foundation of progress.we have nothing to fear, but fear itself, and there will be plenty of that. we've been conditioned to respond to fear, not conquer it.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 18:43
#145636
you lost me when you abruptly turned to the topic of "trading".
Otherwise, I resonate with the rest of your article. Personally as a 60's youth I knew a great many truths about power and leadership in this country and bad war and racism. After awhile I settled into a wage slave role and raised two kids oblivious to the details of what was happening around me.
While I knew my value as determined by the makers of the rules to be my usefulness as a creator of profit for the corporation, I could shove all that intuitive knowledge into the back of my mind so I could raise those kids.
Now that job is done. During this downturn I was discarded by the corporation that fed me while I made them profits. During my idleness I have re-educated myself to the horrors of what is happening day in and day out. ZeroHedge is an appreciated information resource.
My new heroes are Howard Zinn and Amy Goodman. I also regard Noam Chomsky. I have searched in vain to plug into some group whose calling it is to lead americans to civil disobedience. I have uncovered a truth that personal passion for an issue is requisite for action. Another truth that tripped me up is that personal passion generally comes from a personal situation or affront. Minus that I am simply a rudderless soul looking for a cause or a job.
Americans will take action when a common pain of injustice for an issue binds them together in firey fury.
I have noticed some mention on zero hedge periodically of commenters calling for action to fight against the criminals running the country. I share that desire but bide time waiting for the collective pain to increase as more and more working class folk become detritus.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 22:30
#145809
For me trading has provided numerous opportunities for introspective analysis of personal strengths and weaknesses which are relevant in the context of many other life experiences.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 23:05
#145840
Thank you for your insight. And this is precisely why I included the trading comments in my article, though in hindsight I didn't blend it in very well. But it was my desire to improve my trading performance about 15 years ago that compelled me to begin looking within, which led me down the rabbit hole.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 23:35
#145869
Indeed, direct exposure to market volatility is not merely the tracking of noise, rather in it can be found the patterns of natural and emotional life that we experience everywhere else in our lives,and these are the vibrations of life itself...
And so it can be seen as a kind of flight-simulator for the psyche that is also a real phenomenon inasmuch as so many others are making it happen, i.e it is happening even though it is manipulated
I watch it across a dozen large chart screens, waves within waves (and no CNBC), and frankly it makes me think of my sailing on the Bay, inasmuch as the imperatives of flowing and working with natural phenomena are so similar
The ocean does not want to drown anyone but if they will not learn to stop forcing and start wanting to work with wind and tides as they unfold in order to harness sail power, then they will drown themselves surely
Granted the big players manipulate price action in the smaller spheres at least, still they too are part of the natural order, and they are "manipulating" the discovered math patterns of the natural world, and so eventually the larger patterns unfold as they will
So much is lost by chasing, ie thinking that chasing is necessary
And yet because the markets are a mirror to the inner emotional state, such as it is at any moment in time, and phase of life, none of this is easy (it can be traumatizing), and if you trade for real as most do, it is not at all a flight simulator for your brokerage account balance...
It is interesting however to see how the volatility patterns surface fears of losing and the all-too-human fascination with random rewards, both things that we come by honestly, but which make it a real question just exactly how much virtual exposure to that dynamic is really needed or good for a person, when there are so many other useful things to do with one's time, and our communities may need our skills more than we need to trade..
That said, to become adept at shepherding working people's financial resources through the volatility markets, keeping them safe through shrewd risk management, and making good-enough gains over time, come what may, so they can enjoy the fruit of their labors....well that is not without value
So much of what passes for financial management in recent years has been like the role of Carybdus (sp) ferrying folks to the financial underworld...
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 18:53
#145641
Oh, quit whining.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 18:57
#145644
Wow CD
Been reading ZH for a few weeks now but never responded before. That is a totally awesome post. Keep up this series. It'll probably have to be published as a Samizdat after the internet becomes, um, more politically acceptable.
whaleoil
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 18:58
#145645
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and agony. Look at the other side of the story: America is undergoing a renewal process with a thoroughly painfull period at hand. The country will adjust and prevail and find a new role in a world in which the nation state may fail but Americanism will prevail. America was never an Empire, and the strength and value of its people will continue to provide hope for a better future for generations to come. Look at all the people from all corners of the world who keep coming to these shores, this writer included.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 05:15
#146032
i think the frustrating part of the "renewal" you site, is that most ZH readers both see the situation roughly as it really is, and we see much of the pain involved in this process as being at least partially preventable by taking our blows now, and/or changing course ASAP.
This "superior vision" of ours only highlights our helplessness against the momentum of oblivious MSM trusting sheeple, and a naturally oppportunist elite - even though "we know better", it's become pretty clear we can't do a whole lot.
Appreciating the author's point though, we must do what we can, and we must do it one step at a time. and I, for one, will. good luck to all.
on Fri, 12/04/2009 - 21:26
#153533
by i.knoknot
Hey "superior vision"
"The self-righteous sugar-coating you looney-bins wrap it in is the bigger problem. "it's what one does with the land that counts..." - good god."
"... Let me guess, you voted for Obama..."
by i.knoknot
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- What does one do with the land Einstein ???
- Obama...are you fucking for real dude?
on Thu, 12/10/2009 - 06:04
#158753
sigh,
- the concept 'superior vision' was quoted for a reason. duh. Although, i do think most ZH readers have a sense that something big isn't quite right out there... call that vision what you want - time will certainly tell.
that you would respond here, referencing an unrelated quote where i'm responding to your socialist rant is ... well, bizarre. since you did, in my defense:
- if the land is mine... *I* do whatever the hell *I* want with it, so long as *I* don't "pollute" in a way that negatively impacts those around me (e.g. chemical dumping, unreasonable noise, etc.). Context is key. If i cannot do this, then *I* don't truly own the land, do I?
- i comfortably stand by my assertion that stealing 'for a better use' is still stealing. and stealing is wrong. you have an argument with that? e.g. fining me for not buying into an insurance pool to help those who are less able = theft. this differs from eminent domain.
- yes I am "for fucking real", and concerned that socialist extremes are now considered mainstream plausible in the USA. Obama is a scary man surrounded by scary people. I'd have a beer with him, but I don't think he's the right guy to drive this country. (neither was Mcain/Bush/Clinton... so don't even try to label me with that noise)
- If you believe that taking land for a better use is OK, then it seems safe to assume you voted for "hope and change" as that is certainly not a conservative value.
good luck out there
on Sun, 04/25/2010 - 02:13
#316762
i.knoknot,
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on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 18:59
#145646
Evolution of consciousness is the prime currency ~ all else will cycle to and fro sustaining the passing illusion of "value." For there to be truth there must be a lie -- for there to be reason there must be choice and potential. When Neo discovered it was not what was "out there" that mattered but what was inside that mattered most -- knowing there really is no spoon -- he was able to be become one with it all -- in it yet not of it -- part of it yet a detached observer of it. As distant from it as one could be yet able to send Healing Ripples into which manifested like never before. No matter how hard the intellect chooses to accept or believe any fixed paradigm or reality there is yet a Potential which can move and be moved. Call it paradigm retrace if you will... Keep contemplating CD. Loose the fear of that which is transitory. In duty there is Peace...
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 19:03
#145647
"Group think is indoctrinated into us from birth and socially rewarded at every turn."
Nice post. That line resonated with me.
Fall of an empire? I reckon things would have looked awfully bleak back in 1930 too. I'll keep an open mind but I'm not ready to throw the towel in just yet. One person can make a difference. I recommend a book I read a few months ago to any fans of Ayn Rand or Von Mises, "There Is No Alternative: Why Margaret Thatcher Matters". Where is our next Thatcher? Our next Reagan?
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 20:14
#145697
Nice. Thatcher and Reagan are the one's who got us into this mess. Things have been amplified since, certainly. But if you want a real start, it begins with those bozos.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 05:17
#146034
sign your name and justify your words, idiot.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 08:26
#146089
I wonder if it's possible to assign a timeline to the Fall of the Republic, being as how it is a current phenomenon. Tacitus wrote about every emperor except the ruler of the day, out of political expediency. How can we agree to the causes, since we are part and parcel ourselves? Was it the founding of the Fed, in 1913? Social Security? Great Society that broke the family unit? Roe v. Wade that eliminated millions from the ledger of possibility? Carter's double digit inflation and gold at $850 ($2,250, inflation adjusted)? Reagan's deficit spending?
The two previous posts argue about Thatcher and Reagan. Contemporaries. Perhaps it is impossible to subjectively separate and distance ourselves from current events, because they make us who we are. We are our opinions, to some extent.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 14:25
#146494
It's quite possible, if you just look at the biggest contributors to the current fiasco. The biggest contributor, as a person, has been Greenspan and his bogus economic theories.
But he's just one symptom of the problem, and that was the mindset of the laize faire, free market capitalism rhetoric. And the whole dismantling of the system which supported and protected the middle class in order to enrich the wealthy.
It hasn't worked, it's never worked, but it does make a few people really wealthy. And it's great at suckering in all the wannabe's who really have no hope. Absolutely brilliant propaganda, but extremely expensive (if not fatal) to most.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 21:01
#145731
The US wasn't really an empire back in 1930. Britain was, and France also to an extent. Look where they were 15 years later, and then 15 years after that. Our domestic economy and social structure peaked around 1970. Since then we've been creating and extending empire while rotting internally. 2000/2001 was the first warning sign, but a massive credit bubble blew it away. 2007-present is the real serious warning sign.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 11:40
#146285
Back in 1930, not an empire? What about Puerto Rico, the Philippines, almost complete control over Cuba and Haiti, not to mention the infamous "Banana Republics" of South and Central America?
I'll grant you that the "empire" was, at the time, much smaller than either France and the UK, but you could already see a pattern of neo-colonialism and interventionism that was fairly clear.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 19:07
#145650
Great peice CD. The world is fortunate there is no Hitler/Japan on the march, that Iran does not have nukes... yet. In time these things will change and Americans or whoever is left will have to make tougher decisions than what to do with what is left of their 401k.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 19:09
#145652
Bravo CD. Who do I have to thank for this -- myself? ;-p
Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.
The masses, I'm afraid, cannot distinguish between the two.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 19:10
#145653
"One moment I’m screaming at my zombie neighbor, imploring him to wake up and see the insanity." And this line resonates with me. Lately I have felt compelled to "scream" softly at my loved ones and friends to wake up. Yet I ultimately feel so frustrated that I can not offer them a solution other than, call your representative. Tragic, agree with Sancho, when will a leader with integrity, honesty and lack of fear appear? Soon I hope.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 19:30
#145671
When? Good question. For starters, we already have some leaders like that: think Ron Paul. The question is when will these leaders gain enough traction to affect change. I don't think it will be soon. When you see 25% unemployment and $250 oil in 2 to 5 years time, politics may start to get interesting again.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 19:10
#145654
America is in rapid decline? Definitely.
End of the American Empire? Don't know.
How do we deal with this? Now, THAT is the question.
I'm pretty much powerless. As are nearly all individuals. The only way we will make a difference is working together. We needn't agree on everything.
How about starting with "no additional federal debt"? None. Zero. 12 trillion is enough.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 19:14
#145659
OK, I hear the call. Personal responsibility is our greatest weapon in this revolution. We need to come together in community.... Each dollar we spend is a vote casted. Vote wisely....choose local, organic, artisan products. Avoid big chains that deliberately force our local businesses to go under. When Walmart says "we'll match or beat any price", you can be assured that with the printing press culture at their back, they are forcing local businesses out, and once the monopoly is complete, they will rape and pillage local economies as best they can.
Spread the light, share genuine humor, assist your neighbors, and smile freely. This is no time to retreat into paranoia, fear, or anger. To overcome Goliath, we need to expose the achilles heel, and use the slingshot of our focus to bring the giant down. The achilles heel exists, as sure as I write this today, and we will find it.
I look forward to further works. With the Empire ending, perhaps we can gain our Republic back.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 08:54
#146114
Ok, Lou Dobbs. Please. I hear you're having a presidential exploration committee set up, and throwing a party in Tijuana to announce your candidacy. Where did you get the populist, organic, hippie message in Cognitive Dissonance's above missive? I didn't see it, and I doubt you did either. Myths indeed.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 19:17
#145664
You lament this:
Rarely do we push through this cognitive pain to reappraise our inventory of established truths for validity or relevance. It’s so much easier to discard ugly deviations, or cherry pick information that confirms our preferred vision, rather than conduct the top to bottom review that’s called for when the facts change. Intellectual laziness is the polite term for this phenomenon.
But then follow it up with this:
I often say all writers are essentially propagandists and that applies to me as well. I’m using this forum to cherry pick information which I then present in the most compelling manner to make my case. In effect, I’m feeding you my spin, which along with other pieces can be used to build a myth.
So what the heck is your point?
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 19:36
#145673
The point, I gather, is to think for yourself and to weigh thoughts and ideas on your own (as objectively as possible), and thus come to your own conclusions. CD admits that biases exist with all content, but that doesn't make the content necessarily right or wrong; ignoring uncomfortable truths while swallowing great tasting lies is often a byproduct of cognitive dissonance.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 19:55
#145686
ignoring uncomfortable truths while swallowing great tasting lies is often a byproduct of cognitive dissonance.
Unfortunately, a lot of that goes on at ZH, where creative license to make up or embellish facts or to misquote or to dream up conspiracy theories seems to be acceptable to most as long as the right people do it and it's directed at the right targets.
Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of great content at ZH. But it could be a lot better if we read critically and called people out when they play fast and loose or selectively with the facts, the same way we do CNBC or the Fed or Tim Geithner or Goldman Sachs.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 20:58
#145727
"read critically and called people out when they play fast and loose or selectively with the facts"
I feel free to do this at any time. I have done so. Do you not feel free to do this?
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 21:52
#145776
I didn't suggest that I don't feel free to point out when somebody doesn't have their facts straight and have done it on a number of occasions. But most people here don't seem to care. There was a post by Tyler Durden in the last few days that said U.S. consumer spending was 75% of U.S. GDP and about 1/3 of world GDP. Actually the numbers are roughly 70% and 1/6, which is half of 1/3. I pointed it out as did 2 or 3 others scattered through the discussion. But the discussion simply carried on as if facts don't matter. How many people actually read and think "does that make sense?" as they read it? The funny thing is that most people here would say they're independent thinkers, yet the herd instinct and groupthink seem to be as powerful here as just about anywhere else.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 22:13
#145796
I wonder how much time they have to read comments and take in feedback like that? I am thinking you would like to see them correct it in the article, particularly if it impacted the point that they were making. I would. Like any newspaper, do a correction in red, or even a retraction if necessary.
If it did not change the impact of the point they were making, I may be inclined to, as you suggest, flow with the herd. I do think that is a slippery slope, but it feels anal to go after it ardently if the changing of the stat does not change the point. Argumentative for the sake of arguing.
In your example, 70 vs. 75, I can keep talking, the 5% difference does not negate the point. It is kind of like a type-O. In the second example, big difference between 1/6 and 1/3. It should be correct because others will cite the stats later, in conversations, and be wrong. Harms one's credibility when it is hard enough to get folks to even listen to you. Got your facts wrong, they have permission to dismiss everything you are saying.
I agree, generally, it is important.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 22:38
#145818
Got your facts wrong, they have permission to dismiss everything you are saying.
I agree, in fact that's the central point I was trying to make.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 22:57
#145800
"The funny thing is that most people here would say they're independent thinkers, yet the herd instinct and groupthink seem to be as powerful here as just about anywhere else."
Group think is everywhere, including among those who think they are not subject to group think.
Is there such a thing as weak or powerful group think? Is there such a thing as independent group think, by which I mean does it drift and float like a balloon on the wind, to be affected or directed from within? Or is group think always directed or channelled by an outside force? If the force is from outside, is that outside force a higher or lower consciousness?
Down the rabbit hole we go.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 08:42
#146101
Talk about laying it on the line, CD! Beautiful piece of analysis, man. We are clearly all, although perhaps to varying extents, plugged into the American matrix.
Powerlessness seems to be the thing that makes the effort necessary for reasonably informed intellectual integrity so damnably painful for those willing (or "perversely" compelled by their nature) to do the work of seeing through the bullshit. What good does it really do you . . . how does it not lead to profound despair?
Action seems to be the medicine for that disease. Posting in blogs I regard as an analgesic, rather than a cure. But it could be enough to free the collective body from paralysis enough to get it moving.
My thought for collective action: Sell all our interests in the Squid except the single share of common necessary to attend the GS Annual Stockholder's Meeting. Corruption is indeed everywhere, including the bathroom mirror, but ya gotta start somewhere.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 22:47
#145822
Green Sharts, I remember that thread. From my perspective one of the highest forms of praise I can bestow is to let a comment stand alone. Simply because a comment is not expounded upon does in no way make that comment invalid or unworthy. Rather, from my perspective it reflects my desire and one that I believe is shared by many here to ensure the comment remains unencumbered.
The process of herding and ostracization in human affairs is well documented and I am sure that these concepts occur here as well.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 02:41
#145985
I think you may be missing a critical aspect of ZH - Marla and the Durdens do the hard work and run it up the flagpole, and the readers respond based on their opinion or expertise. I try to balance between the articles and the comments.
There have been a number of times that I have changed my mind regarding an article based on something I read in the comments.
So to me it is not important that ZH go back and 'correct' the articles - what is important is that informed readers add their perspective/corrections/facts and let the rest of us come to our own conclusions.
-Tethys
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 03:14
#145997
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 19:21
#145667
Thanks CD. That was a great read. I have been lurking here, Calculated Risk and at other sites starting in mid 2007. I am a scientist working in the environmental field. I have spent the better part of the last 29 months getting up to speed. I feel I have been sleep walking in a very bad dream. I am fortunate to have a good income and have managed money in what I thought was a sensible manner (saving). After watching 50% of my investment portfolio evaporate, I began my quest to understand this mess in earnest. I can't begin to express my gratitude to TD, this site and others for the "education" of the last 29 months. I believe I'm not alone in having blinders on through my 50 years on this planet. I try at all times to spread the word about what I have learned and what is going on today wrt the financial mess we are in. Hopefully we can gain enough interest in the issue to re-take this country. I speak daily to people of all socioeconomic levels and refreshingly find that many are not deluded by the MSM propaganda. MANY are ready and willing to act and I believe would rally around STATESMAN representing the people of this country rather than special interest shills. How, in your opinion, should we start the process of creating a third party? or other political entity that could appeal to enough people to win elections?
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 19:31
#145672
I guess it all depends on where you think America is on the timeline compared to the Roman empire, e.g. 100 BC or 800 AD?
IMO this is akin to trying to call a supercycle top, except more challenging.
Even if you are right, and this is the peak of the decline, there's still a lot of empire to go from here, and that rules out the prospect that perhaps this is just the necessary clearing out of old, broken systems to make way for new, efficient ones.
Of course, getting to the other side of that river is a challenge...
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 21:06
#145740
History rhymes, it does not repeat verbatim.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 19:33
#145674
Free healthcare for everyone!!
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 19:35
#145675
My hat is off to you, sir, for this thought provoking post. Now that I have busted-out on my gold and silver shorts and have time on my hands, I will be starting an "Economic Club" in my small midwestern town. Time to get ass in gear, if only for my own sanity.
As an aside, my college sociology professor used to say that the decline of the American Empire began the year the weight of American cars began decreasing. 1973, I believe.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 19:35
#145676
Outstanding post! Could not agree more with the level of propaganda that is going on in America. When I started leaning about sales tricks, and other ways to "influence" people it became clear to me that we are being manipulated as a society. I've been trying to explain the fallacy of false choice to people when it comes to political parties but people refuse to step away from their indoctrination. Even when they admit to me that both sides of our one party system are corrupt and nothing more then looters they immediately profess a preference to one band of looters over the other. America is trapped in this 2 sided 1 party system and that is preventing any real political change in this country.
People don't change until they are forced to, till they "hit bottom". As long as they can cling to their belief set they will. To admit that they were wrong is to much for many people. After all most people see themselves as the hero in his/her own personal narrative, and society teaches us the hero can't be wrong. I think that we are rapidly approaching a great shift that will force people to reassess their views, and they will be very, very pissed off.
Look forward to more posts keep up the good work!
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 22:03
#145782
The 2 sided, one party system you refer to has one goal. It's goal is divide and conquer. We're in the bread and circuses stage of empire and the masses will be kept distracted until the treasury is fully looted.
Maybe it's just because I'm nearing 60 and all of time seems to go by faster and faster as I age, but from my vantage point, the decline into chaos is picking up speed. I think it was the late 1970's that I first sensed the future was not so bright, little things at first...sales clerks not being able to make change unless the register told them how much. Somewhere along the line, the Dumbing Down of America took hold.
Lack of education, lack of common sense and self reliance, lack of morals, lack of ambition and so forth, I tell ya, there's a lot to fix if it's going to be done.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 19:54
#145685
"We need to develop our intellectual, emotional and financial coping techniques"
the primary pole of a human being is his spiritual side and to neglect it is to miss the entire point of being alive. In other words, firstly, man has his connection to his creator, call it infinity, call it Spirit, call it Allah, whatever. Practically this has the sweet benefit of reducing a mans feeling of self as centre of universe and broadens his view of and concern for: his physical environment and his fellow man, both of which are reflections of God and are thus worthy of mans love and protection. The Native americans, the aborigines and the Indian Yogi all shared this basic worldview and had it as a template for living. Man's optimal state was and is as part of a kinship system of the physical environment and his fellow man, the polar opposite of smiths aggregation of selfish acts in a market.
It may be a long way to go back, but if you really want to get to a different understanding of life, read any book that has the reactions of indigenous people to the white man (I am white btw). Nothing else did more for my clarity and understanding of where we are at now. There were actually people who lived in perfect harmony on this planet, but the myth machines that the OP speak off, tell us they were "savages", idiots who didnt know where the rulers were. "Hell we did them a favour in blowing them off the face of the planet" was the reaction of the english when they came across the aborigines of tasmania. Yet read "Voices of the First Day" and you will be awed by a most incredible and awesome cosmological view. I was at any rate. It changed my outlook on life three sixty degrees.
I will be flamed for this. I dont mean to be pious, I apologies if i sound so. Just think though, if we are looking for truth - the American nation was founded on a bed of lies, as we broke four hundred treaties with the native americans, and systemically destroyed them in what can only be called psychotic behaviour today.
"Our fathers gave us many laws, which they had learned from their fathers. These laws were good. I realized then that we could not hold our own with the white men. We were like deer. They were like grizzly bears. We had small country. Their country was large. We were contented to let things remain as the Great Spirit Chief made them. They were not, and would change the rivers and mountains if they did not suit them."
Chief Joseph
I was dismayed that the OP regressed from an otherwise fine post to a discussion of trading strategies. That is the kind of lower order thinking that got us into this. We have to open our minds and especially our hearts and live by spiritual (not religious) principles if we are to evolve from where we are. Best of luck to you all. We can change and do it and give back to the world we have plundered.
Chief Seattle’s Letter of 1852
“The president in Washington sends word that he wishes to buy our land. But how can you buy or sell the sky? The land? The idea is strange to us. If we do not own the freshness of the air and the sparkle of the water, how can you buy them?
“Every part of this earth is sacred to my people. Every shining pine needle, every sandy shore, every mist in the dark woods, every meadow, every humming insect. All are holy in the memory and experience of my people.
“We know the sap which courses through trees as we know the blood that courses through our veins. We are part of the earth and it is part of us. The perfumed flowers are our sisters. The bear, the deer, the great eagle, these are our brothers. The rocky crests, the juices in the meadow, the body heat of the pony, and man, all belong to the same family.
“The shinning water that moves in the streams and the rivers is not just water, but the blood of our ancestors. If we sell you our land, you must remember that it is sacred. Each ghostly reflection in the clear waters of the lakes tells of events and memories in the life of my people. The water’s murmur is the voice of my father’s father.
“The rivers are our brothers. They quench our thirst. They carry our canoes and feed our children. So you must give the rivers the kindness you would give any brother.
“If we sell you our land, remember that the air is precious to us, that the air shares its spirit with all life it supports. The wind that gave our grandfather his first breath also receives his last sigh. So if we sell you our land, you must keep it apart and sacred, as a place where man can go to taste the wind that is sweetened by the meadow flowers.
“Will you teach your children what we have taught our children? That the earth is our mother. What befalls the earth befalls the sons of earth.
“This we know: the earth does not belong to man, man belongs to the earth. All things are connected like the blood that unites us all. Man did not weave the web of life; he is merely a strand in it. Whatever he does to the web, he does to himself.
“One thing we know: our God is also your God. The earth is precious to him and to harm the earth is to heap contempt on it creator.
“Your destiny is a mystery to us. What will happen when the buffalo are all slaughtered? The wild horses tamed? What will happen when the secret corners of the forest are heavy with the sent of many men and the view of the ripe hills is blotted by talking wires? Where will the thicket be? Gone! Where will the eagle be? Gone! And what is it to say good-bye to the swift pony and the hunt? The end of living and the beginning of survival.
“When the last Red Man has vanished with his wilderness and his memory is only the shadow of a cloud moving across the prairie, will these shores and forests still be here? Will there be any of the spirit of my people left?
“We love this earth as a newborn loves its mother’s heartbeat. So, if we sell you our land, love it as we have loved it. Care for it as we have cared for it. Hold in your mind the memory of the land, as it is when you receive it. Preserve the land for all children and love it, as God loves us all.
“As we are part of the land, you too are part of the land. This earth is precious to us. It is also precious to you. One thing we know: there is only one God. No man, be he Red Man or White Man, can be apart. We are brother after all."
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 23:23
#145861
oh, STFU already with this bullshit
The great injun tribes became such by slaughtering rival tribes and TAKING THEIR LANDS.
The narrative of the injun is EXACTLY the same type of intellectually bankrupt mythical narrative that the OP is about.
Every single major injun tribe or empire became one the same way the white man (and mongols and chinese and arabs and blacks) built their respective empires - by conquest.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 02:16
#145973
I like the way you think. What's your address? I'll check on google maps and see if it's better than where I live right now.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 02:36
#145983
trav777,
Conquest aside, it's what one does with the land that counts...the Native Americans did not rape the land, and destroy the water as the white man does. What we see today is just the dead corpse of what the North American continent was just 350 hundred years ago. The great forest are gone, literally every major waterway is contaminated, and the land has been destroyed, plowed under and divided by asphault, 80,000 dams that has wiped out almost all migratory fish, the migratory birds are gone, the native grasses are gone, etc, etc, etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wiRhVzsXFM
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 05:32
#146038
sorry, doing wonderful things with the land you steal doesn't really matter to the ones you murdered and stole it from, it just makes you feel better about yourself. Welcome to the tribe, primal human.
theft is theft, murder is murder, and the bigger guy usually wins. so it is, and will continue to be, 'till man ends.
reality is just what it is - no more. The self-righteous sugar-coating you looney-bins wrap it in is the bigger problem. "it's what one does with the land that counts..." - good god.
let's try this as a contemporary parallel "let's take the money from the rich and spend it better than they can - then it's okay to take from them...", clearly it would be bad to take from the rich and go to Vegas... Let me guess, you voted for Obam...
and so it goes on... this is going to be a tough road, folks. lots of work to undo.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 08:42
#146102
Exactly!! It may not be possible to see past our biases. History is for historians. Current events will always be subject to spin spin spin.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 11:31
#146272
Hey. I want to break his door down and cut his family into small pieces and feed them to thier own garbage disposal to see if he really believes in what he is saying or he is talking shit on the interenet.
You guys are ruining it for me!!! RUINING IT!!!
on Sun, 04/25/2010 - 02:19
#153481
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on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 20:00
#145690
The stars and stripes forever?
http://www.poptech.org/popcasts/juan_enriquez__poptech_2006
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 02:43
#145987
Thanks for the link!!!
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 20:01
#145691
LOL, yeah, one band of looters is better.
It is because we have been divided and conquered, and then divided again.
To say the Democratic Party is a sham does not resonate with some, because of their idea of what the Democratic Party SHOULD be. Everyone uses the same word: Republican/Democrat.
But it is the emotions that it evokes in a person that is important. And we have been trained to respond to one positively, and one negatively, take your pick. Trust the experts. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em (don't fight the elite, if you discover their plans, apparently we are supposed to join them)
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 20:17
#145700
Most predictions look asinine when compared with true events and almost all predictions turn out to be wrong. Given the multitude of predictions something will actually turn out to have a grain of truth in it. That isn't prediction but simply a guess
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 20:25
#145704
CD! Whoa...that was magnificient. I dare not wax eloquent after what I just read. I will however, mentally press my hands together over my heart chakra and bow to the spirit within you.
I wonder about this line though,
"Zero Hedge seems to be a refuge for the walking wounded, a safe haven inside occupied territory for the psychically damaged and demoralized.."
Being exquisitely aware can be a painful experience, the alternative is stupor. The damage and the demoralization is just the process of stripping away the false...
The trading part bought me down with a thud, I liked it when you made the mind soar for the eagle's view.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 20:32
#145708
You've been on your way to doing something like this the whole time I have been watching you post here. You may not have the pedigree, but I'm tellin' ya dude, long winded academic. And no, I can't give ya tenure.
:-D
Good show.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 20:48
#145718
As an outsider to 'The Empire', I am always amazed at your country's embrace of heroes. This was particularly striking in the aftermath of 911. Bush, Guillani, and the fire fighters who took on an almost epic glow of heroism. Your country has an unparalleled sense of patriotism. The group think quickly rallies behind the heroes of the moment. The 'highly intelligent' trio of Geithner, Summers, and Bernanke were to be the heroes of the credit crisis. This was the talk not too long ago on the MSM. However unabashed the lust for heroes is, the harshness of the dethroning process once the glow of mythologizing wears off is equally characteristic. I'm not sure why a nation with so many truly intelligent and capable leaders continues to worship a handful of chosen ones who inevitably disappoint. From my perspective, it's sad to watch a strong friendly nation veer so far off course. As I look back, I think that it was Osama who may have struck the fatal blow to your country. That singular attack triggered a series of political and financial events that have lead us to this point in time. Like many traumas, it takes years for the effects to fully materialize .
I look forward to the rest of the series CD.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 20:45
#145720
Lots of thoughtful self-reflection on things personal and communal, CG, and I appreciate the energy you put into this post. You ask good questions and posit thought-provoking avenues to explore. I look forward to your next missives..
I feel like we are overloaded with information and influence in this country, and in this era generally, for a variety of reasons, some of which are political
..and others of which fit with where humans are in this stage of the evolution of human consciousness, with a triune brain featuring a neocortex that (not-so) helpfully stuffs stress into the body and (less, or) unconscious mind, whenever it fears switch overload.
That was helpful in earlier parts of our evolution, much as it still is for mammals facing predator stress.
And yet now as part of our human brain overlay, it is short-circuiting our absorption of sense and perspective that we need, keeping us from developing the awareness we need to survive and evolve our capacities.
Some of that we cannot speed up, and a singularity won't solve it, and yet as you describe, with awareness of the challenge, we can work to overcome it.
Or at least clear the buffer a bit, and approach things with a better perspective.
The problem is multifaceted and can be conceived of and described in many ways, including your thoughtful psych take on things.
The fact that new media is morphing into a global always-on phenomenon of interconnection (liked or not) is overloading the system with volume and expanded variety of perception.
And the functional economic ground is shifting under our feet, changing things faster than we perceive, although as you rightly point out, the unconscious mind DOES perceive it.
And of course, as you say, the age-old methods of propaganda working on the human need for comforting narrative is playing a role---and seems to be even more prevalent given the overload challenge.
Many are calling for many kinds of breakthroughs in years to come, on many levels.
I kind of feel like that has always been said, ie. that every age feels like an axial age to those alive in it.
And yet, this disjointed period we are in has its own characteristics. In any case, it is the one we have to live.
I don't know all the answers and won't venture much, but my questions tend to go in one direction: we are going to have to, as a large group of people living in the bounds of a continent, and with our various extensions, RE-INTERPET and RE-CREATE what things like "citizenship" and "governing" and "community" mean, and that has to be in sync with a fuller exploration of what it is to become a whole and integrated person, drawing upon the wisdom of past influences while considering what our own time suggests in the varied experiences that we have of it.
We've got to take what we were given and make (re-make) it our own, letting go of the so much that does not serve anymore, or not for awhile, if it ever did.
If people work now for the wrong reasons (ie. being doped by shallow cultural treats), well then what are the better reasons?
What expanded, deeper, healthier conception of the self is involved in deciding that?
And how is that done in community while respecting personal boundaries and uniqueness?
Who and what do we want to be as a country? In the world as we find it to be? Taking responsibility for our actions, and not just living off how the government has done our business globally for us for so long?
Will we take responsibility for outcomes, for better and worse?
What work do we want to do in the world, as Americans? What should we be/get good at?
Why are we letting others make these decisions for us?
Don't we as individuals have the capacity to become whole beings in the long journeying way that that implies, finding a way to contribute---and thrive---as the people we are?
I don't know the answers although the questions when posed can be suggestive of some, and it all gets seen through the lens of the self.
What I do know is that in my market work I am always taking the observation and reversing to find the question, and then working with that to find the fuller dimension of that question (kind of like your trading method, CG).
We never finish answering anything, but we usually know when we have pushed a question to the point of sufficiency for the time being. Then we can get going on working answers that are good enough for today and tomorrow.
I share your sense that it is time to wake up, whatever time of day it is in America..
An aware citizenry will make better choices in community about how it is governed, building up from personal decisions about how to live each day more effectively.
I have a difficult enough time with the last part, but I think it is critical to the rest of the equation. We are wasting a lot of potential in America.
And on that note, I'll shut up.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 21:43
#145767
Please learn to gather your thoughts into paragraphs before posting them. FYI I no longer read anything posted in the manner above, and I suspect I am not alone.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 21:03
#145735
CD, you nailed it!!! Your ideas are so similar to things that I have been working on (privately/non published) that it seems a little scary. When I started research into paradigms, beliefs, knowledge, and social behavior it quickly became evident that anyone with the ability to influence large segments of a population (media, politicians, educators, clergy, etc.) would be derelicht in their duties if they failed to take advantage of the predictable nature of certain aspects of human psychology. When you know the methods you can see how pervasive their use is. We are surrounded by nothing more than used car salesmen who wear the costumes of Senators, business leaders, television personalities, and journalists (ZH excluded, of course). I am very much looking forward to your series...
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 21:05
#145739
Great post.
America needs to wake up and rationally analyze what we do and do not really have. We still have an enormous amount of wealth, regardless of the current recdepression. But it will be and is being squandered in, as you say, trying to preserve a myth that isn't reality and never was. I don't expect most of america to wake up until things are really bad, which will probably be a point at which some state, most likely California or Texas, secedes and says the federal debts are not its problem. At which point we may have Civil War II, with nukes and carbombs this time around.
On a mundane note, please format articles in the same font throughout ZH so they are more readable.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 22:01
#145744
CD, I have enjoyed (intellectually if not viscerally) your past commentary, along with this post. Minds that can look at the "facts" and draw relatively dispassionate conclusions based on them, versus based on what they would like to see, are far to rare.
You write "Have you ever read a book written by the survivors of the vanquished, the so called losers? I have, a number of times, and it’s usually very enlightening to see the world from the other side of the bloody divide." Can you recommend some titles for those of us who might benefit, or who know others who might? It might even help some of put our holiday gift budgets to better use (wink).
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 05:36
#146039
I second the reading list request. Great writing , CD . I relish reading the rest of the series.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 21:13
#145747
Turn off the TV. Read. Write. Get involved with the Campaign for Liberty. Support the Ron Paul Revolution. There's a LOT you can do to help this country.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 21:16
#145750
cognitive dissonace - you are defining sir
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 21:28
#145758
I dunno, while its always good to engage in some agonizing self appraisal: there is an awful lot of assumptions in the thread and a degree of elitism.
First of all, I think there is a kind of inarticulate wisdom in the mob. They know something is up and they are angry. Whats a poor boy to do but sing in a rock and roll band?
More importantly, there is a growing awareness amongst the 15% of wise enough, influential enough, determined enough folks that you need to change any society. I say this because I hear it from my portfolio company executives and clients in the heartland base businesses who are not the intellectuals one might find on ZH...but who are the bedrock of their towns, employees, local groups, college alumni. They see through this situation with remarkable clarity. They do not have your sophistication or the detailed reasons why....but they are the 40-50 year olds who have accomplished real things in the real economy and they are more angry (its all their money) and more disenchanted and more determined to re capture the best of the America. Not values voters, more Republican fiscal conservatives but reasonably liberal socially, not fools, folks with things to lose but smart enough to manage so far. People from Minnesota, Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky, Iowa, Wisconsin, Pennsylvannia, Colorado, Florida. College but nothing fancy, kids, miles from any college town influences or anti establishment influences. You would be surprised at the size of the folks who are waiting and who know its inevitable the nation has to be taken back.
Lastly, the Roman Empire never ended. It just moved. Now its in Washington DC. The ideals of the Greek City States never left. They are in many towns and many minds
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 21:39
#145765
First, kill all the lawyers. Baby steps. I was dozing last night listening to the lady who ran Nader's last presidential campaign discuss the legal obstacles large and small that await any candidate not affiliated with the Democans or Republicrats. A nightmare of overlapping jurisdictions, administrivia, and a campaign finance law that is so complex and obscure that even those charged with enforcing it just scratch their heads half the time. Then there's the MSM, carping over and over that you are just taking votes away from one of the "real" candidates. Etc etc. A rigged game to ensure that there is NEVER any change you can believe in. Why do we have more lawyers per capita than any country on earth?
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 21:53
#145774
Lawyers, while generally despised, are the guardians of rights and the defenders against tyranny. Perhaps your quarrel is with the law itself and/or its lack of enforcement.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 08:45
#146105
Our legal system, and its "pay to play" patriarchal bent, is yet another relic left over from the Roman Empire. Cui bono?
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 08:53
#146113
+1. If the legal system consistently enforced our laws--particularly against white collar crime--we'd have a very different appreciation of lawyers as a group (rather than only when they save our asses.)
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 09:52
#146167
Miles Kendig, a prolific poster here on ZH, has a wonderful grasp of our unequal justice system and I always enjoy reading his views on this, and other, subjects. A very well rounded person, Miles is someone I would consider a victim run over in the rush of conquering empire, at least based upon his posts.
If I may so bold as to surmise what's going on in his head, Miles great physical and emotional pain has compelled him to look within for deep insights. I identify with the path taken.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 16:53
#146689
CD - Thank you. It is a shame that the fine lady that stands outside most courthouses has had her blindfold ripped off, scales tossed aside, been trafficked, required to sport a pastel micro mini, clear heels and bills by the minute.
If I am to toss stones I believe that taking a close look into the person that stares back at me from the mirror is essential. I think that we have all been volunteers one way or another to the processes that now dominates much of the discussions here and elsewhere. What I have called our cycle of codependency with the 1,000 pound persons that our government, legal system and TBTF institutions have become. It is in realizing that fear of the "window dressing" of socially acceptable and for many required to support a family commercial activity, speech, philosophy, association and recreation being somehow disturbed drives many folks to comply with what they view as distasteful or even abhorrent, including servicing the morbidly obese dysfunctional 1,000 pound persons through codependency. This process of introspection and determining what are the ideas I stand for and being completely honest with myself and others as to how I view and address these emerging issues, ideas and my own history is foundational to moving beyond this cycle of codependency to greater health as an individual, family, community and society.
See ya on the road
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 21:47
#145769
CD,
AFAIAC America's decline began with the decline of the middle class and the stagnation then decline of middle class earning power. It's been credit bubbles and debasement of the USD since then in a regime of gradually falling interest rates. The FIRE economy was all about leverage to keep it going, nothing else.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 21:50
#145773
Here's another good read courtest of Mr. Ferguson of esteemed Harvard U..
http://www.newsweek.com/id/224694/page/1
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 21:52
#145775
Great read. I think you're right- this thing can't be fixed with "a coat of paint." I hate to sound or think so fatalistically, but the prevailing mindset and actions of the vast majority is the iceberg to our Titanic. It just can't go on- or even be "tweaked" at this point.
Let the metamorphosis begin...
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 21:58
#145778
I dunno, while agonizing self appraisal is always useful it is often also self indulgent
The thread smacks of elitism, contempt for the less sophisticated and folks who only know people already in the church.
The many people I know responsible for real companies in the real economy in the flyover states are rip roaring mad about this situation. You only need 15% of a society that are wise enough, determined enough, and connected at the sinews of the nation to change an awful lot. There are tons of 40-50 year old college educated but nothing fancy people who have gotten real companies started and well managed, who are fiscal conservatives but socially liberal to social libertarian middle of the road ...and who are very angry, see the situation even clearer if not as articulately or in detail like you do. Whats more they think a radical change is required, are angry as hell at the casino economy who rigs the game more than it ever has been as they remember American History. They are just waiting. Whats a poor boy to do but sing in a rock and roll band? Besides...they have and feel a sense of respoinsibility to their communities and their employees and all they built. They got there by being competent and practical...what do you expect them to do....its not time.
Ever talk to taxi drivers in the towns you visit? They know. There is a kind of wisdom in the mob...not the mob the media leads around and reports on ...thats a market segment of America. Remember Nixon's Silent Majority? Well they exist and a thread composed of them would be more blunt, less fancy and more to the point than anything you read on ZH. But they do get it.
Sorry guys. You do not have a monopoly on smarts or cynicism or awareness or idealism. You have a monopoly on your lexicon. Thats about it
Besides Rome never fell. It moved. Now its in Washington.
The ideals of the Greek City State did not fade. They got stronger. And they moved. They moved to Pennsylvannia, Wisconsin, Ohio, Minnesota, Indiana, Western NY, Iowa, Colorado. etc, etc
I think many of you would be amazed at how much in common you have with those in the real world but not in the financial/investment world. After all, all of us not in the Oligarchy have a powerful something in common.
Sorry, the point is not to comment. It is to study so we can lead. Pretense will not get us there. imho.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 22:24
#145806
Superb post. The people I know understand that this country is in deep trouble. They're not the "sheeple" Cognitive Dissonance and many others here regularly snicker at and look down on. Look at the lack of cash inflows into equity mutual funds despite the huge rally that would normally draw people in. People aren't buying this BS "recovery" story.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 09:23
#146124
Disagree about CD steadily pumping "elitism", but very much agree about the pent-up anger of the people. A major media event would go far toward productively focusing and mobilizing it, I think. It ain't that hard to organize one, either--particularly when some of the most meaningful targets are fortuitously located in NYC, the heart of World MSM.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 13:00
#146345
Thats a good point Bob. I did not mean to single anyone out. That said, I do think many have very elitist outlooks. Charming and funny ...but we do need to be self aware if we are to actually be part of the solution and the change. imho
I do point out however, that many on many threads decry the lack of action of the sheeple....while posting to a select few on an internet site.
The people know enough to not follow those who prefer to be commentators and observers as most prove not to be men of action or advocates of a solution they fight for and win. There are observors and do-ers. And the average person wants action not words. they get words from the useless media and politicians...so knocking them for not acting on "our" ideas is elitism and foolish. They should act first so us commentators can comment on the internet?
They also have lumped all "elites" who talk like "elites" as part of the problem. Thats the reaction you get when you have a President for whom many percieve that his greatest actual real world non political accomplishment is being a graduate of Harvard Law School. They see the fancy words and elitist concepts and explanations of the financial leaders and Bernake/Tim/Larry and quickly conclude that one should be careful of all elitist sounding characters. Name the last one who delivered?
Preceeded by two Yalies who also sold them a bill of goods.
Granted I agree that Palins are not the antidote to the recent ineffectiveness and callousness to the middle class...just that it is an understandable reaction rooted in practicality.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 14:06
#146439
Okay, I hear ya. Class consciousness is truly a bitch of "cognitive dissonance" in America. What do you make of the failure of people in and around NYC to mount widely visable protests at "ground zero" of the financial collapse, aka Wall Street? The population and media density, not to mention the transportation infrastructure, is ideal.
WTF is wrong with organizers in the Big Apple?
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 22:08
#145788
Point well missed. As Owen Cook once said(paraphrased) "...we need to overcome our fears and do what we know is right". Is it that we are afraid, or do we not know what is right, because I believe it is the former and not the latter or else we would be taking action and not perpetually mincing about the problems. Nothing organization and concerted effort will not cure - the hour's getting late.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 14:39
#146347
Very much agreed. I would point out that a great bulk of our society's convictions (as measured in per-capita time spent) revolve around morally themed pursuits--from religion to charity work to video games and action movies (which, their reputation notwithstanding, are always morality plays in the spirit of Shakespeare.) It may be easily devalued as canned entertainment, but this suggests to me that people hunger and long for lives of active moral balance/decency.
Many people would be deeply gratified by participation in something larger--if somebody would just organize the damn protest.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 22:12
#145792
btw, I did not mean to imply that the folks who "get it" are the majority. Although I do think the majority know that something is terribly wrong....they just do not see an alternative nor a time/way to act at this time.
And they probably are right
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 22:50
#145826
Lot of truth in this. I recently had a conversation with my aging parents about what to do with their nest egg. They have their advisor who has them in the usual mix of assets. I try to do my little part by educating family and friends. They sort of 'get it' but the comeback was precisely what you described. What's the alternative? My mother's wisdom was that we are trapped in the times we are born into. There is a lot of cultural inertia that needs to be overcome, but I suspect if the right circumstances coalesce, and momentum builds, the desired attitude change would be rapid once the uninitiated are given a viable alternative. The unknown is scary.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 22:25
#145807
"Zero Hedge seems to be a refuge for the walking wounded, a safe haven inside occupied territory for the psychically damaged and demoralized."
I had no idea that anyone considered this to be the case; however, it is revealing to learn that you do.
“I’m tired of moving in and out of the various stages of loss and grief. One moment I’m screaming at my zombie neighbor, imploring him to wake up and see the insanity. The next I’m filled with self righteous indignation as another patsy banker’s head is placed on the public pike. Sometimes I start my morning bargaining with unseen powers, begging for a truce or cease fire, only to end my day crying in my hands in fear and frustration of it all.”
CD, I say this with the utmost sincerity and compassion:
If these statements about yourself are accurate, it seems pretty clear that (at the very least) you suffer from severe depression. You need to seek professional help immediately.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 22:41
#145815
even if ALL THAT is the case, who the fuck are you to suggest anything to him, or what he should or should not do .... if you have got nothing constructive and/or objective to say, STFU and move past this post ..... no one wants to read your Volkerpsychologie garbage or outdated analysis on the Human Condition or psychological constructions which border with fantasy(yours that is) .... this shit really boils my blood and you do it far too often for me to remain silent anymore ... get of your high horse of perfectly molded belief of what should a human being be like (see what i just did there); 95% of your posts sound like some HuffPost moron wrote them ...
EDIT: well now when i think of it; i think you might be a troll par excellence;hmmm ...
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 22:50
#145828
LOL
Maybe we need to discuss my definition of "psychically damaged and demoralized" because I don't mean it as mentally ill or disabled. However, many people who comment on ZH speak of feeling abused and used by powerful forces in this country, including being abused by those who should either stop or prevent the abuse. Stress is one of the effects of abuse and long term stress can be psychically damaging and demoralizing. In fact, this subject will be part of my next discussion.
Thank you for asking about my health but I'm now under a doctor's care and very well medicated. Very well medicated. In fact, I feel myself slipping back into zombie nation. Just when I think I've escaped, they pull me back in.
:>))
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 23:54
#145891
CD, after enjoying many articles and viewpoints on Zh, I was compelled to finally register and send you my thanks for your though provoking post. Indeed for me you are preaching to the choir, but it is comforting to see how closely your missive is aligned with my position. I too have tried to alert friends and colleagues, mostly with little effect. My company in it's 45th year, for the first time is in decline. I see very little that can alleviate the hemorrhage. Thanks again, CD.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 23:58
#145895
You're doing great, CD -- write onward..
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 00:53
#145936
So you've identified that sincerity and compassion are missing your post and decided to "claim" them.
This kind of reminds me of when I was 5 years old. My teacher got very frustrated with me because her time out stand in the corner tactic didn't work. Not only would I not beg and cry to rejoin the group, the bitch would make me come back after like 28 freaking seconds cause I would be off in the corner processing information all happy and contented without anyone bothering me.
I don't bargain with unseen forces but I do communicate with them. And yes sometimes I screw my horns on tight and go tearing ass through heaven just goring the crap out of various groups with my horns like it's non voluntary running of the bulls day. I do relationship tarot readings and try to sort through the various projecting forces. Just call it signal decoding fun.
I had a dog with a hurt leg. She wasn't very assertive so I spent most of my time helping her become more assertive. One day I was walking her and she got attacked by an Akita who was able to get one hit in and roll her on the ground once before he discovered I knew exactly how hard to punch an akita in the top of the head to make that ringing sound that won't go away for a while happen. After that her view of me changed. She had never seen me violently handle something like that and decided I would make a good gang up member. Emboldened by my protection she would try to get me to gang up against various dogs until it finally came to hilarious conclusion resulting in a low speed chase where she chased off a dog hobbling on her crippled leg. It went on for about 3 minutes and covered maybe 150 yards. Then she finally understood that true protection is never loyal and true loyalty never protects the right people.
So what kind of help do I need? And throw in some fake sincerity and compassion to make me believe you have my best interest at heart.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 07:08
#146058
The whole country's in depression, man. The problem is your prescription and the various forms that it takes that have infested it. The article was about precisely that: falling back on those with 'greater expertise' for help and guidance instead of seeking its only legitimate source: your own gray matter.
The contradiction contained within the article is a bit troubling however, perhaps it can be cleared up:
It is futile to ask others how to think for yourself. The only coping technique I can't think of for those who are already thinking for themselves is not to give up.
Perhaps you are asking for help on how to increase the numbers of those who would think for themselves but that too is futile since the kind of people who we would want to have join our ranks cannot be pursuaded by a formulaic approach. Simple, presentation of the choice is the best approach.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 11:16
#146252
"You need to seek professional help immediately."
And tell the Doc what?
"I know you won't believe me, Doc, but the American Empire is ending and I'm exhausted by talking to people that give me blank stares, or worse, get confused, or even worser, get irritated, when I bring up a subject other than professional sports and tabloid mental-garbage, blaring from every electronic orifice in sight. Ya gotta give me something Doc! Make me forget! They told me you were da best!"
Doc: You need to lighten up.
Narrator: Can you please just give me something?
Red and blue Tuinals, lipstick-red Seconals...
Doc: No. You need healthy, natural sleep. Chew some valerian root and get more exercise.
Narrator: Hey, come on. I'm in pain.
Doc: You wanna see pain? Swing by First Methodist, Tuesday nights. See the guys with testicular cancer. That's pain.
Great stuff, CD!
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 22:31
#145810
CD - You managed to weave into one article the concepts of the myth of the nation, "conditioned responsing", denial, the process of reaffirmation, repetition and the "walking wounded" of a society and its collapsing bell curve of information acceptance. Congratulations on this and upon achieving the state of my follow up question. I wonder if you will elect to peel the layers of this introduction for a more probative examination or if you will use this introduction as a foundational building block of your subsequent efforts? Have a great time and I look forward to seeing you along the road.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 22:35
#145813
President "Bobby": Mr. Gardner, do you agree with Ben, or do you think that we can stimulate growth through temporary incentives?
[Long pause]
Chance the Gardener: As long as the roots are not severed, all is well. And all will be well in the garden.
President "Bobby": In the garden.
Chance the Gardener: Yes. In the garden, growth has it seasons. First comes spring and summer, but then we have fall and winter. And then we get spring and summer again.
President "Bobby": Spring and summer.
Chance the Gardener: Yes.
President "Bobby": Then fall and winter.
Chance the Gardener: Yes.
Benjamin Rand: I think what our insightful young friend is saying is that we welcome the inevitable seasons of nature, but we're upset by the seasons of our economy.
Chance the Gardener: Yes! There will be growth in the spring!
Benjamin Rand: Hmm!
Chance the Gardener: Hmm!
President "Bobby": Hm. Well, Mr. Gardner, I must admit that is one of the most refreshing and optimistic statements I've heard in a very, very long time.
[Benjamin Rand applauds]
President "Bobby": I admire your good, solid sense. That's precisely what we lack on Capitol Hill.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 22:37
#145816
History like opinions about it must always remain an exercise in subjective interpretation. Yes this country is going to hell in a hand basket, as did Marie Antoinette. No there is nothing that any politician out there is doing that will reverse this seemingly irreversible phenomena. Empires come and empires go. The American Empire is certainly no different. However, I am not certain that it is currently beyond redemption. Close but not totally there yet. American exceptionalism certainly existed in the past. Don't say that it didn't to the soldiers in Germany that cleared out the concentration camps. And don't tell me the Japanese internment camps were the same. But rather, until recently, our country had the ability to look itself in the mirror, admit its mistakes and change course, much like an carrier changing direction. Slow and steady, but sure of its course. We lost that confidence a while ago. My personal opinion is that unsound money helped grease those skids. By allowing the unfettered printing of currency, the government was able to separate responsibility from the consequences of our acts, at least for a while. Fiat money means that decisions to go to war can be made without a consensus, just print up the greenstamps and trade them in for aircraft and ships and guns. There's never a final accounting. My personal belief that military adventures would be greatly diminished if we all had to pay for them c.o.d. Same with all these nifty welfare benefits and government worker gold plated salary, health and retirement deals. As long as the cost can be put off till tomorrow with no one any the wiser, a future crisis is always preferable to a current one.
Inflation is that hidden tax that eventually will bankrupt the country. And socialism's problem as so eloquently stated by Lady Thatcher, is that "Eventually you run of out of other people's money." Which is the point we're at now.
My own belief is that the situation is pretty much hopeless. However, I believe that the current leader of the free world is in for a fall and will not serve out his term. In addition, you can count on wholesale voting out of the congress in the midterms. I am not convinced this will matter as there hasn't been much difference between the parties in recent years. However, one can hope.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 23:01
#145837
Can't expect that one election will turn things around. It will take several cycles, several years for congress to get the message that the people recogniaze that they have been screwed and will turn out every incumbent that does not deliver an end to the banking ripoff of the people.
That's assuming that the majority voters in Massachusetts will throw out Frank, and Dodd in Connnecticut. Without that, you might as well forget about turning out congress wholesale.
From a T'giving party I attended, the voter still is acting locally, isn't even aware of how much more they pay in taxes than they receive in benefits, and find it in their
ignorance to dump the incumbents that put them in the mess they and we are in.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 07:51
#146068
The only way to bring about change it to elect from outside of the two sided coin, heads you lose-tails I win, system. We would have to vet new candidates to run against the crooked incumbents who are really different. I don't see that happening at the moment. It is almost too late already to vet good alternatives. No one's working on it, so Nov 2010 will come and pass uneventfully.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 22:52
#145829
CD, ever consider a non-intellectual approach to life?
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 22:56
#145834
You've got eyes, CD.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 23:23
#145860
I think that the older generations should be ashamed of themselves. As a young twenty something just trying to start my life, I do so in an environment where it's near impossible to get any bit ahead. Not only am I sorting through the wreckage of this once great empire, looking for opportunities that may never come, looking for the ability to live my own American dream through hard work.
I will be forced to bear the sins of those who came before me. I will be forced to pay for the jobs that were moved offshore. I will be forced to pay for the wholesale theft and looting.
The people of my generation will be forced to live in a country that those that came before destroyed, with no jobs and little opportunities, and tuition costs rising at 30% a year.
All people from my generation want is a chance to build this country our way, but every day our fathers and grandfathers sell our generation out while seeking to get what little bit they can.
And as they die as our nation spirals into decline, we'll be left with the withering husk of America that remains as well as with the bill for all of this indulgence.
I was too young to get an extra bedroom and a granite countertop. Now, I pay for the sins of others with the loss of my job, and my family's livelyhood. As my tuition increases year after year and more and more programs disappear, my job was eliminated due to the financial troubles of those that came before me.
As hard as I work, more will be taken from me in the future to pay for the selfish sins of the past.
I think that the elders in America should hang their head in shame. They've created the America that we live in today. They took prosperity from those that came before them and turned it into a selfish entitlement while stealing from generations in the future at the same time.
And now, a new generation lives to pick up the pieces.
It's okay, because we'll be okay in the long run. We're resilient.
Just remember what you're doing to all of us when you're passing that new prescription drug entitlement and sending jobs to India.
Remember who has to live in the America that you've created, because in some years, it won't be you.
Will I pay for your granite countertops with my blood in an invasion from creditor nations, or simply with a lack of opportunity?
Either way, it's not a choice that I made myself.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 23:57
#145893
I agree that the elders should hang their head in shame.
But, we also said the same things when I was in my twenties in the 1960's and doubled them in the seventies.
My brother said the same things when he was twenty in the late 1980's.
I hope your children will get a chance to not say the same things about your generation.
Here is the way I look at it: In 1960 we had 45% of the worlds gdp (and unsustainable percentage) and 4% gdp growth per year and 4% unemployment. Total government, financial, corporate and personal debt was under 150% of gdp.
In 2007 we had 22% of the worlds gdp and shrinking and we had a terrible health care system, a terrible educational system, soon to be tremendous unemployment and underemployment and total debt equalled over 350% of gdp.
You have to try to collapse that much in fifty years.
The problem is that we have to get rid of a subprime generation of financial and political elites.
The good news is that they are making mistake after mistake and they are starting to eat the weak members of their group. The bad news is that they are grinding some of us down in the process. But there are more of us than there are of them...so lets be patient a while longer?
Take care.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 08:05
#146080
Congratulations! You've embraced the victim mentality to perfection. Now you can rest comfortably knowing that everything else bad that happens for the rest of your life is somebody else' fault.
Or you can play the cards you're dealt, just like everyone since time began has had to do, and begin to grow up.
Your choice.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 13:28
#146386
The younger generations are getting raped. Some of us are waking up to this sad reality and speaking out. It's OK...because we're resilient. There is no victim mentality here. Perhaps it would be easier for you if we would just go back into our rooms and be quiet like good little boys and girls.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 08:21
#146085
Some of us tried, my young friend. Some of us tried. Some of us supported the Mises Institute, and Ron Paul's Congressional campaigns, but the MSM marginalized us, and there were few who believed us because times seemd "good".
I have two early-adult children, and I am determined.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 23:24
#145863
Growth as a proposition, the very pillar beliefs and mandates of the Industrial Revolution are myths as well.
They presumed growth could and would last forever. The economists have built an entire "discipline" around this. Create more money, cause more growth.
Sugar incentives bacteria only until they fill the dish.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 07:23
#146059
i resonate with this metaphor you've been using trav, simply b/c i have experience growing bacterial colonies with sugar. when i first started, they wouldn't stop growing and my fridge became overloaded with jars filled with them, more than i could ever need or want. but i couldn't stop, i was addicted to seeing how much i could grow. sugar and more sugar, now let's try honey, now maple syrup, how about corn syrup, what if i tried jiggery maybe???
however, there was a point where the colonies became contaminated with impurities and the growth curve started to flatten out, and then one day, they just stopped growing. no matter how pure the sugar was, i could not get them to grow. so i got frustrated and stopped. but i could not bear the thought of clearing out my fridge and admit my failure and why & how i failed. so they still sit there in the cold darkness, swimming in their own filth, devouring each other for food to survive.
perhaps there's a metaphor there somewhere. but perhaps i'm guilty once again of placing metaphors upon things in order to cloud my perception. either way, this thread inspired me to clear out my fridge and see if i can salvage the survivors by throwing them in a bath of spring water & baking soda. this time, i promise to better regulate their growth (but i can't promise that i'll live up to my promise).
cheers.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 10:08
#146182
"Growth as a proposition, the very pillar beliefs and mandates of the Industrial Revolution are myths as well."
This is one of the subjects I wish to touch on in the future. When inside the punch bowl, we can see no other way to exist. But there are plenty of alternatives, which is why we must question everything, including the person telling you to question everything.
"Sugar incentives bacteria only until they fill the dish."
Humans seem to be the only species on Earth that doesn't naturally seek to be in harmony with it's surroundings. Or should I say our culture, because there were/are plenty of indigenous cultures that were/are in balance with nature and remained so for thousands of years.
Our culture seems to be a perversion. Like a virus, we consume and consume until we begin to consume ourselves. On the other hand, we will revert back to a more sustainable population level. The only question is what level of damage will we inflict to mother Earth before she kicks us in the butt? Mother nature will adapt and survive our presence. Will we? IMHO the words "7 Billion humans on Earth" is an oxymoron.
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 23:41
#145876
As Tiger goes, so goes the Empire. Timmmmmmberrrrrrrr!
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 08:23
#146087
So a guy's wife chases him out of the house with a golf club at 2AM, whacks him and his car with it a few times, and he covers up for her. What's so unusual about that?
on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 23:50
#145885
Congrats on going against the pernicious "relentless optimism" meme thats destroying the USA and other places, and in not succoming to the Left vs. Right paradigm. (I'll do that for you!)
Manager's multiples of base wage need to track back from 400+x1 to 150x1 like the good old days!
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 00:13
#145907
Very interesting article. I wonder if it is possible to assess one's own timeline? An earlier commenter posted that Thatcher and Reagan were the two Bozos who started this mess, in response to another poster asking the rhetorical question, 'where's our next Thatcher or Reagan'? (to lead us out of this mess).
To begin to analyze the Fall of the Republic, we need to be detached enough to pin down the timeline. It may prove impossible. Was it the Great Society that broke the family unit in the sixties? Was it Roe v. Wade that has resulted in the non-participation of millions, mostly minorities? Was it Carter with his double-digit inflation and gold at $850? Reagan with deficit spending? What? Who's going to agree? We're too attached politically to our personal myth-making. The American myth has competing story lines. Tacitus wrote about every emperor except the one currently holding the position, out of political expediency.
I spot the downfall as beginning with the Fed in 1913 and New Deal Social Security, followed by the redactment of the Gold Standard.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 02:00
#145950
Nice work CD, reminds me of Martin Armstrong's musings on whether an empire willingly goes quietly into that sweet sleep.
An example of both extending the empire and effective propaganda seeding an official script immediately after a significant event etched into our psyche from a "random street bystander":
"...come out of nowhere and just reamed right into the side of the Twin Tower, exploding through the other side, and then I witnessed both towers collapse -- one first and then the second -- mostly due to structural failure because the fire was just too intense."
I appreciate your insight and am equally frustrated with the general lack of understanding on social engineering techniques and manipulation while many of those that know better choose to believe convenient lies. To confront the truth/lies we must look death in the eye and accept responsibility to actually do something (fight or flight). I see other themes like global warming, global terrorism, and global swine flu as other examples of propaganda in the Problem, Response, Solution (PRS) system.
At one point, I believed official stories but dared to look behind the curtain. What I found made me uncomfortable to say the least, and before I looked I thought those that protested were un-american. Once you realize that many in power use both good & evil interchangeably without bias to advance objectives, nothing is ever the same. I am sure many here share that feeling of unease and distrust.
Other hints that there is something wrong with our society/empire include the commercials at night that make me feel the movie Idiocracy is real: designer snuggies and snuggies for animals, non-stop girls gone wild, extenze & viagra erection pills to match, cash 4 gold, free credit report.com, and bankruptcy attorneys / debt repayment specialists. The lack of advertising for normal products makes me feel we are in a collapse and the twilight zone.
Humor WTF Blanket: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h05ZQ7WHw8Y
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 10:20
#146195
"...come out of nowhere and just reamed right into the side of the Twin Tower, exploding through the other side, and then I witnessed both towers collapse -- one first and then the second -- mostly due to structural failure because the fire was just too intense."
The everyman Harley Davidson tee shirt this speaker was wearing, as he and others implanted disinformation into the public mind precisely when it was most vulnerable, was priceless. I know this subject well, but I must take some time introducing it.
Many people are not ready to accept such a dramatic shift in the paradigm this information would bring and thus, will tune out and off. Then I have lost an opportunity. It may not be fair but it is a reality I must deal with.
Baby steps are the best we can hope for. The conditioning is very deep for the masses. Consider how long it took for you or others you know to begin to break free. The same applies to myself. Baby steps is sometimes the best that can be managed.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 01:42
#145952
You need to read Walter Karp's Indispensable Enemies;The Politics of Misrule in America...and also his The Politics of War You also need a ruthless editor.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 01:45
#145954
PS
“Professors of American history erect Gothic cathedrals of erudition on political axioms acquired from their fifth-grade ‘social studies’ readers”.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 01:46
#145955
Why don't we stop fighting the system and understand the sheeple won't listen to us until they listen to the world and themselves first
and unfortunately that means it has to go to the brink or be destroyed before they wake up
so how about another solution? You can't change the world but you can change yourself.
Don't know about you CD but I'm at the point where it just seems SANER to GO with the FLOW or Find a New Flow.
creative, aware people can leave and find another environment such as a state or nation that they more agree with to which to live. variety is still good of course but why are we all forcing ourselves to live here?
Libertarians did it in a town in NH but you can take this to a whole new level. How about Canada
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 07:53
#146065
we are all sheeple my friend, we are also the wolf that eats the sheeple.
and wherever you go, there you are. there is no escape from this, not even death.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 01:54
#145959
AN,
I can identify perfectly with your sentiments in the last paragraph. Well said. We are beyond the time of One Party versus The Other, and mired in a culture in which opportunists have seized the reins of both. We do not need a fresh coat of paint, we need to replace most of the major systems currently running this vehicle. We already have the blueprint - the Constitution is sitting right in front of us. Where we are now is beyond a far cry from our forefather's initial intent. I wait, and watch. The necessary change will not occur overnight, but I feel that it has begun.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 01:55
#145960
CD demonstrates that ZH readers and contributors, are free rational individuals.
Unhindered by superstition and ignorance.
We strive to conquer the unknown with boundless confidence.
To uncover the truth, and by its reckoning, vindicate our goal of a free unhindered press.
Mark Beck
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 02:05
#145966
Seductive paralysis has made many men, women and children believe they are not capable of functioning in reality. Can we be hungry for something that is beyond our grasp or is it just the seductive paralysis that has blinded all in objective thinking or doing? For many disconnecting from the matrix would be the end of the world (at least in their controlled mind), how many eat because they are REALLY hungry? How many watch the idiot box because its the easiest thing to do? How many people want others to solve their problems-have sleepy leg syndrome-cant get it up-kneasel's-toelio-MY GOD this country has been systematized and cant even squezze their own fucking pimples without a dermatalogist. I feel CD was definitely spot on for those who can accept and understand reality as it really is.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 02:13
#145971
This article was a bit Glen Beckish. How does an empire with nucular weapons and a military that dwarfs all others fall?
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 08:36
#146096
Ask the Romans, Charlemagne's, Merovingian, The Chinese (remember), Al-Andalus, Great Britain etc etc .... it is not about the level of technological development, but about the power(or the lack of it) to finance and operate your (cartoon-ish) plan of world domination.
oh, and junk because you are a moron (Glenn Beck reference and ALL THAT)
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 08:56
#146115
Ignore the clown...leave in the Beck referrence it makes the argument "arguing with idiots"....;-)
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 11:25
#146263
That title is amazing.
A friend of my explained that an ex-co-worker was seen protesting outside of the museum they both work(ed) at with a sign that complained how the museum discriminated against the mentally handicapped. He changed the sign after a little while.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 02:17
#145975
Well, you're absolutely right but you're wrong......so wrong, as they say, that you're not even wrong (because---- your understanding of core issue is wrong). So your spending your efforts giving a great, stimulating analysis of the structure and analysis of the greatest buggy whip manufacturer ever, and ignoring the bigger picture.
That being said, all of your points are salient and expressed beautifully. It's all great advise. It's all true. It's the dream of the "Grand Unified Theory" in scientific terms, that someday a simply, beautiful equation such as E=mc^2 will sum up all of the operation knowledge of the physical universe.
Note, that by definition, the searchers for such a holy grail WILL NOT REST until a "simple, beautiful" equation is found........nothing else will do.
Suppose that's not the way the physical world really works? Suppose that's Einstein's repulsion at believing in "spooky things at a distance" (as he regarded the field of quantum dynamics to be) really is true? Or maybe it's even worse than that? Suppose the whole concept of "logic" and "cosmos" ("order") just ain't right?
Suppose there really is no meaning to the world "civilization" or "civilized behavior"? Suppose that everything really is nothing more than viciousness. Suppose, like in the movie "The Fly", that there are no "insect politicians" because insects know nothing about fairness nor the concept of mercy? What then?
You warn against being blinded by "false" hope. What if all concepts of "hope" are false, just another one of the many myths of control, enslavement, oppression, annihilation of any DNA that is not directly yours?
Remember, the last demon to escape from Pandora's box was "Hope".....
A couple of questions to gnaw on:
- Suppose the concept of "competition" is a cheat? Designed to enrich the most powerful groups to the detriment of the weak?
- Suppose the concepts of the Old Testament are a cheat?
- Ditto for the concepts of the New Testament?
- As above, for the basic concepts of all religions?
- And for science?
- And for the theory that humans are intelligent?
- Or that "love" or "hate" exist......or "good" and "evil"......or "right" and "wrong".....or "fair" and "unjust"?
Silly questions, those are, correct? Good, ignore them and ridicule them and like all good parents, get annoyed at children for asking the only important question that exists, which is "why?".
I propose that the history of humanity....both its cause for success and its current status........has been (and will continue to be) the sheer, unencumbered, unapologetic, rank brutish-ness of the species. It has "conquered" nature, it has "conquered" the physical (and, in some opinions, the "spiritual" world, too), it has "conquered" this planet and starting to do the same with nearby ones.
You may wish to consider that "it" has also conquered its own kind, too, and perhaps that explains 99% of past, present, and soon-to-be future life, too.
Alas, poor Gordon Gecko, he so almost had it right: Greed isn't good (nor is it bad), it just "Is".
The masses will NEVER revolt, because 100,000 years of selective breeding has created an effete, shirking, tame class of creatures who DEMAND and DESIRE to be ruled and controlled. Just as modern dogs used to be self-sufficient wolves, almost all of that has been bred out of them, and unless the sorting and culling of the weakest can somehow occur again.....the politically correct term is "freedom", which in reality means survival of the fittest, which really means "the survival and success of the most ruthless, the most aggressive, and the most barbaric".........well, then, lots of luck to you in the enjoyment and comfort of your "beliefs" (myths) rather than in the reality of experience.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 07:59
#146076
Friedrich Nietzsche, back from the grave. Yo Duuuude! How was that case of syphillis you had? What did you think of what your sister and her husband did with your ideas, and Hitler? Ain't that a gas? Not quite what you had in mind, eh? Fucked up.
Here is the problem anon, you haven't taken this to the final step. You did what Hitler did and stopped. When you get to the abyss, there is no need to dominate. Ruthless, barbaric, agressive, are all shows of bad faith. Kinda Zen really, you just be. All else is an assertion of ego, like your post. Like mine here.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 03:22
#145999
You, the People, is morons, were so, and shall so remain as long as you keep looking for a Savior, or whatever Black Swan you may have in mind. The Promised Land is paragon of fools. It does not exist... A most remarkable piece of prose on the subject of phenomenology CD, nevertheless ! Sincerely.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 05:02
#146024
CD a well written nd thoughtful piece. I only take issue with the idea that with the fall of the American Empire, China and India are on the acendancy.
Did England appear instantaneously upon the Fall of the Roman Empire? Did the Romans appear instantly as dominant civilization upon the fall of Babylon? No, in beteen those times much as not written about, because there were no spin doctors to laud the accomplishments of the era.
The Chinese and the Indians and in fact all the nation states of the world are now suffering and in decline. We decline more than others simply because we were so high atop the pyriamid for these last 100 years or so. However, the whole model of modern civilization, based as it is on the monetary system we use is failing now. The Chinese won;t escape this, neither will the Indians. They just don't have quite as far to fall as we do.
A new Dark Age is upon us now, or will be soon. Who if anyone will rite about this time to come is impossible to know, but in all likelihood it won't be continued all that long on the pages of Zero Hedge. When the society crashes, the internet will crash with it. You can hope that perhaps what you wrote here will be dug up by some Indian Jones of the future, but in all likelihood it will not be so. the bits on the hard drives will racemize, the code to take the bits and convert them to language will be lost. It all goes to the ether, as do the thoughts of most of mankind. Ashes to Ashes, Dust to Dust.
We all lived in a time when energy was plentiful, and the society grew upon that great resource. Its disappearing EVERYWHERE, not just in the USA. There is no reason hatsoever to believe India or China will asced here witht he decline of America. This is the decline of the Age of Oil, not America. What Phoenix will rise from the ashes of this decline is a mystery, but to be sure, that Phoenix will not rise for long time yet to come, if ever. The immediate future is for a Dark Age where humanity sinks to the bottom, and the resurrection of civilization is a long ways off from this descent.
RE
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 05:11
#146031
I think all America needs some love right now; a bit of parental tlc for a nation still finding it's way.
There's a lot to be said for projecting psychology onto national behaviour and dispite the apparently resignation there are still opportunities for real change. That will need some real leadership and a strong head that America might start calling for shortly now that reality is beginning to sink in.
davidpbrown
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 05:50
#146042
I have already declared strike against the status quo/TPTB by stopping any and all productive work (which I used to do in a previous life, and actually was stupid enough to believe that hard work matters), instead focusing my energies on speculation and taking refuge in that protector of theft by the state - Gold. There is no way that "they" are going to get an opportunity to pillage me.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 09:21
#146140
GG, you're the consummate Frisco d'Anconia, and believe me, if I weren't married, I'd be shrugging as hard as you are. Alas, the missus doesn't understand the situation well enough. On the bright side, I have plenty of silver and gold, and have two years of rice, flour, sugar, etc. stocked up.
Shrugging should be popularized, as a hobby if nothing else, to educate the masses. We're being screwed left and right.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 11:29
#146270
+1!
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 07:44
#146066
The problem is that almost no one, except for those on this site even wants to hear about what's actually going on. They glaze over. Few can even carry on any insightful conversation. I've come to the point where I do not even discuss the topics on this site, because generally people believe that "there is nothing you can do about it", so "why worry about it". I conclude the general population feels helpless, and is being herded to slaughter. I used to believe that people would want to be warned about the information on this site. Instead, they think I am a crackpot, deny out-of-hand the things I communicate without investigating on their own or agree but feel helpless. Most people simply cannot handle a very depressing alternate view.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 08:20
#146084
CD: Thank You...
Employ your time in improving yourself by other men's writings, so that you shall gain easily what others have labored hard for....
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 09:18
#146137
CD, I enjoyed the well written missive, and am surprised by your underlying optimism.
I think there is a natural cycle to the birth and death of a nation or society, and though definitive starting and endpoints cannot be accurately determined even after the fact, the signs of decline can be apparent coincident with their existence. The modern world may have accelerated this cycle, and we may never again see an Empire the likes of Rome or Byzantium. Japan was a comet. China, or rather this second iteration of China, I suspect will be a Japan on amphetamines, gone before the lead paint dries. And frankly, having had a good deal of experience with the Middle Kingdom, I would never enjoy a world whose primary cultural, military and mercantile influence came from there. I would guess that the 80% of humanity that is not Chinese might agree. India, too, while being enormously rich and stimulating culturally, has a rather unfortunate ongoing adherence to a stratified societal structure which would not appeal across borders, except to those with power.
In its brief shining moment on the world stage, what the US offered was an ideal with almost universal appeal to the masses...the idea of human equality under the law. Whether it lived up to the ideal or not is a matter for debate, but 1776 was the first time in human history that a nation was formed whereby the founders tried to outlaw their own all-too-human biases and limitations, and set as a written goal a level playing field for all citizens. It took the Magna Carta a step further by having the King climb down from his throne and join the crowd. Obviously it took some time to perfect, adding women and minorities to the mix over time, but it got closer than any society had ever come. It had appeal outside the borders because it empowered (I hate this word, but...) people in far flung regions to step up and say for the first time since humans walked upright, "You can't do that to me."
Success, however, contains the seeds of its own destruction. Basic rights find unwanted company in desires until these become entitlements. Entitlements then gain a constituency, and democracy gives them a voice and supplies a candidate. And it all costs money. And it takes away the appetite, or at least the ambition to sate an appetite by one's own work. It is a natural progression to laziness, deficits, ignorance, and opportunities for favored individuals to game the system while the populace is satisfied with bread and circuses and a well turned phrase.
We end up with "heroes" and anti-heroes, though few of either truly exist. We expect them to wave a hand and make it all right again. We want so much to believe they can do it, or that somebody on the other side can do it. The anointed play their role to perfection, asking us to hold on to the myth rather than have us work toward the original ideal, that goal we never quite attained, and which requires additional hard work to reach. We want without sacrifice.
No country that I can think of has ever saved itself from the decline once it began. At best they emerge as ghosts of their former selves. Wounded animals are culled by natural forces; I suspect countries suffer the same inexorable fate when their time and fitness have passed. The new leader of the pack may be inferior to the old one, but can still gain the upper hand when age and declining fitness sap whatever remaining strengths the old leader possessed. I think this is where we are. I have replaced hope with as clear a head as I can muster and now go about planning how to survive in the world to come. I do not share your optimism; I have done the math, and I can see no viable solution to what ails us. To use a trading analogy, I have realized my position is wrong and it is time to close it out. Fold the hand. There'll be time later for mourning, but right now it is about survival. Yes, I won't let the door hit me on the way out.
on Thu, 04/22/2010 - 21:29
#313963
definitely, brings out my emotions.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 09:26
#146145
The US is not going down we have engineered the system so that we are not interconnected with everyone else in every way possible. This will be the first world wide ending of all empires. A singularity, a black hole sucking up all. You must flip to a new quantum state and leave this universe if you wish to survive.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 09:42
#146157
Thanks for this fine reading, CD, you deserve all my sympathy.
Little can I add to the variety of answers but...
I see comments rising spirits on the hope that 'America will prevail'. Hope is, more often than not, the result of denial, and too often leads to bad decisions. We often find motivation for 'our personal fight' in the hope of a 'better world'. However, my realistic observation of current conditions does not support the case of a qualitative improvement in many years to come. By that I mean to achieve a Society where we will not care about storing gold but about using our most constructive abilities.
Today my girlfriend's car was robbed of parts in our street. My bike suffered the same last year. That tells a lot about the way sheeple are facing the crisis: robbing their neighbors when the first push comes to shove. We are utterly spoiled, and as such ready to abuse each other long before confronting the powers that be.
I say we are hopeless, in the sense that we will not get to enjoy a better Society. Yet that's no reason not to fight!
Regards from Spain. (Countries and their borders, just another tool of the Enemy).
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 10:28
#146202
Another loggoreah thread from the apocalypse crowd.
Let me guess- you hate the FED? Love Ron Paul? Think you are the only one NOT crazy? You are in sole possession of truth? See conspiracy everywhere?
What all your bad trades have in common is you.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 11:48
#146275
Hey, the InfoWars.com forums are waiting for you to come back.
Stick to your "first!" posts - it summarizes thoughts coming from pieholes like yours.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 13:16
#146370
I always wonder why folks like you even bother posting? If you are not a member of the "apocalypse" crowd, as you characterize it, if we are all nuts, what on earth did you think you accomplished? Just leaving comment spoor? Wiping your a$$ on the blog?
I am open to being shown I am wrong about what I think is happening. Hope someone will show me evidence every damn day. You have offered nothing to help in that regard.
Whoooooosh! Swirl, Gurgle, gurgle.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 11:10
#146244
Jumping from one herd mentality to another doesn't seem like the answer.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 14:04
#146452
CD-Perhaps one of the most insightful, applicable and genuinely interesting posts I have read to date.
Hopefully, 'free thinking' Americans will soon be added to the endangered species list and we can turn the lightbulbs on once again. We have quite a ways to go in repairing our looted land, and I could not agree more that it begins with the committment of the individual. The sad, droopy, and downright pathetic credo, "I can't change anything myself so why bother?" must be replaced with a dedication to the "little things". I believe an ant can carry 200 times its own weight (I heard that somewhere in gradeschool). Imagine if we simply carried our own?
Nathan R. Jessup
www.the-raw-deal.com
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 14:26
#146495
Great post! "Waking the zombie nation" is significantly overdue.
Claudia
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 16:06
#146690
I agree with the previous poster who proclaims that China and India decline as well. Overpopulation has pretty much ensured much of the Global strife for the next few generations---anyone who didnt see this coming was'nt paying attention. All the wealth, weapons, power in the world will not satisfy one when the Dark Ages sweep the entire Global populace. The Jehovah's witnesses were right.
on Mon, 11/30/2009 - 20:59
#147071
CD,
You stimulated a whole lot of discussion. There are a lot of posts here. This is a success.
Namastee'
on Tue, 12/01/2009 - 09:58
#147581
MsCreant,
It's wonderful to see, isn't it? I'm very excited with what happened here.
I firmly believe a wound won't heal until its severity is recognized, it's cleaned and dressed, and the mind is settled. There's so much that's going on in the world that isn't discussed as openly and as honestly as it could/should be. I keep on thinking about something I've seen you say before, that sunlight is the best disinfectant.
Some great comments left here, which have me thinking about my next posting. I don't have all or even some of the answers. But I do know the answers are here, within the community, as well as outside. There is always so much to learn when people are moved to speak, rather than when they speak just to talk or fill the time.
Thank you for your feedback.
on Sun, 01/17/2010 - 14:18
#196695
“ If you saw Atlas, the giant who holds the world on his shoulders—if you saw that he stood, blood running down his chest, his knees buckling, and the harder he worked, the more the world pressed down on his shoulders—what would you tell him to do?