End Game - Would US Police/Troops Fire Upon US Citizens?

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GeoffreyT's picture

My question is this, why didn’t Egypt and Tunisia go up in flames? 

Here's an answer I posted to someone else who wondered why there was so little violence in Egypt and Tunisia...

 

As we are all aware, oppressive regimes function primarily through the deployment of large cadres of thugs; the archetypal organisations are the NKVD under Beria, SAVAK under the Shah, or the Mukhabarat under Mubarak (Saddam's secret police were also called Mukhabarat).

 

'Ordinary' police functions are also brought to bear; undercover (clandestine) police infiltrate any anti-regime group that rises to prominence, and disrupt the operations of anti-regime forces by detaining and interrogating identified leaders (and in extremis, incarcerating or killing them).

 

On the off-chance that a demonstration actually occurs, the secret and standard police then weigh in with billy-clubs, batons, riot shields, tear gas, water cannon and the rest of the apparatus of brutality... with police agents provocateurs providing justification for the brutality (the people in black balaclavas breaking windows are not Socialist students; they are almost always undercover police).

 

In order for the man in the street (i.e., non-activists) to summon up the courage to participate in demonstrations, there is a requirement for him/her to assess that the likelihood of beatings/arrest/detention have fallen relative to prior expectations. once ordinary people lose the fear of the regime, you get massive numbers (as happened in Egypt on Jan 29th; the DAY AFTER the police mysteriously disappeared from the streets)

 

One key way to achieve this is to put in place a mechanism by which the costs of being a state thug (as perceived by the thug himself) rise far enough to furnish a disincentive.

 

What most commentators do not know is that on January 26th, 'Anonymous' obtained two lists: a list of undercover police, and a list of Mukhabarat agents. Names, addresses, telephone numbers (where applicable), kids, spouses... the works.

 

The source was the Ministry of the Interior, which was hacked at the same time that Anonymous took down large portions of the Egyptian gov't web presence; the latter furnished 'son et lumiere' for the former.

 

These names - along with the names of victims of the regime - were distributed to people in the movement, who then made contact with about 4% of the list in the wee small hours of the 27th (Cairo time), furnishing a polite but firm message: "We know who you are, where you live, where your children go to school; if the revolution is successful, you will lose everything if your involvement with the regime continues."

 

Several undercover police - single men, all known to be genuine thugs - were 'made examples of' to ensure that the message got across (the 'targeted' violence).

 

This tactic - which was planned following its successful implementation in Tunisia - was designed to force a re-appraisal by the state's thug-drones... to make them think: what are the odds that someone comes for me in the night, when I can't rely on my 'comrades'? Furthermore, if I continue to show up for work, what will happen to me if the regime falls?

 

Once the main body of undercover people decided it was not worth taking the chance that they would be victims of post-regime reprisals, the police forces had a huge problem with (ahem) truancy. 

 

By the 29th there was so little police presence on Cairo's streets that the citizenry had to self-organise for property protection - and a stunning absence of Mukhabarat infiltrators (who had a habit of inserting themselves into crowds, then to pull out their retractable batons and start whaling away on folks' heads). In fact some activists weer certain that the police were biding their time and were scared witless that the cops would descend en masse... but Anonymous was able to assure them that there would be no such event.

 

It took the regime a further 2 days  to round up enough 'hard core' thugs for it's 'counter-demonstrations' , using 'True Believers' (who always exist), plus 'shabaab kantacki' (youths who were bribed with 100 pounds plus a bucket of KFC... a modern version of the 'harafeesh') but it was already over and everyone knew it.

 

 

Precisely the same thing happened in Tunisia; Anonymous hackled and defaced online web-presences of the Ben Ali regime, while in the background it penetrated the regime's network infrastructure and took lists of the names of its operatives, which were then used to undermine the security apparatus.

 

THAT is what the media is missing: the WHY of the disappearance of the Egyptian police and the failure of the Tunisian regime's thugs to put a stop to the movement.

 

ALL coercive regimes rely on a cadre of thugs; those thugs operate on the assumption that when they take off their kevlar and go home, they will not be bothered.

 

That assumption is going to be tested with increasing frequency in all corners of the earth; there is not a regime on this ball of rock whose information security is not compromised. (Hence the mega-meeting between Clinton and almost all ambassadors and chefs de mission; and the repatriation of about 400 US 'officials' in the month prior, from front companies in all corners of the globe).

 

The tax-farmers are worried, because their livestock have lists of the wolves in sheep's clothing.

 

 

And as to whether the pigs and military would open fire? Not even an interesting question. Unless they are defanged by the same mechanism as was applied in Tunisia and Egypt (and Yemen and Bahrain now), they will do as they did during Shays' Rebellion, during the veterans rallies after WWI, and at Kent State, Waco, and Ruby Ridge. (Also, let's not forget that the pigs employ subhuman scum like Lon Horiuchi - bscumbags who will kill an unarmed woman and child and brag about it on a speaking tour).

 

Horiuchi is the inspiration for my re-statement of diderot's 1735 declaration, which I amended as follows:


Man will be free when the last politician is bludgeoned to death with the severed arm of the last police sniper.

silent's picture

Just asked the question on facebook, since I have a lot of military friends. So far, there are more flat-out yeses than there are yeses-with-qualifiers. Not a single 'no' response.

Trifecta Man's picture

Try rephrasing the question as "Would You Fire Upon US Citizens?" if you were ordered to.

OnanSpillerOfSeed's picture

First, a group will evolve into clear opposition of whatever the govt cooks up.  We all know the govt will cook up something that feeds itself and the power elite.  All for one and one... oops, all for one.  

Throw any label you want at this group.  Tea Party.  Hippies.  Jews.  Radical Muslims.  Communists. Neo-fascists.  Neo-conservatives.  Raging neo-narcissitic femonazi transphibians - it dont make a shit what you call them.  What matters is that everyone will know who they are by their dress, their hairstyles, their buzzwords and their actions.

Next, the propaganda machine will de-humanize them.  They will be further differentiated from the mainstream.  Fox news will be all over it with spins, twists, turns, subliminal programmming, grandstanding, etc.  The other networks will be less obvious more subtle but effective none the less.  They will be differentiated economically too.  Maybe all these raging neo-narcisstic femonazi transphibians will be protrayed to refuse to pay taxes, only drive Humvees and trade with each other in gold/silver.

Next, there will be some incident where a group of these raging neo-narcisstic femonazi transphibians with concealed weapon permits and plenty of registered guns will kill a bunch of innocent people.  It will be filmed.  Maybe a few baby seals (or more effect baby humans...) will be clubbed for good measure.       This will either be staged or induced by the govt covertly.   This incident will serve to solidify the majority of people into one front against this group.  It will also scare the shit out of people enough to give up more freedoms.  Sound familar?

http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/psywar.php

Then, all firearms will be confiscated.  All those nasty transphibian ideas will be called to question.  Anyone with these ideas will be imprisoned, tortured and shot. Everyone else will get subtle, ever escalating reminders of what everyone needs to be afraid of and how the govt is keeping them safe - like the TSA when they check your junk and your hot wife's boobies...

Then, it will be easy peasy for the police to fire upon US citizens.  Hell, we will all cheer them on!  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment 

There wont be any "No, but"s or "yes, but"s about it....

minus dog's picture

Police are a lot more likely to fire opon people, though that varies widely by location.  They already have to view everyone as a possible threat, and a large part of their training is the use of force on anyone who does certain things.

The military, on the other hand, is not in the habit of viewing people like that stateside - here, they're just another non-cop like the rest of us in terms of dealing with law enforcement.  When deployed, they have to follow far more restrictive rules of engagement than our domestic LEO's work under.

The military is required to do things - sometimes, very stupid things - to put the safety of others before their own safety.  Our law enforcement labors under no such restrictions.

Don't think that this isn't a topic of discussion among both officers and enlisted in the armed services.  You have a lot more to worry about from the police and various XYZ gov't agencies.

barliman's picture

 

CD,

    Will the American army fire on American protesters? No. Armies are not made up of mindless automatons or mercenaries. Thet are not led by maniacs. The last time we had gung-ho officers issuing unreasonable orders to troops the term "fragging" became a verb. The officers, non-comm's and troops likelihood of becoming an occupying force in their own country - nil. Those who want to believe Kent State was anything other than an outlier - enjoy your fantasies.

A social collapse may happen. War may come - whether we attack or are attacked. Belt tightening is guaranteed - but I have never met the police officer that would take on odds of 100:1 against them in a fire fight especially if the other side has better weapons and the ability to disappear into the populace.

barliman

PulauHantu29's picture

This is why we have the 2nd Amendment, right?

Geoff-UK's picture

"...why don't you go to the police?"

 

"I'm my own police."  --Harvey Keitel, "City of Industry"

onlooker's picture

It was a dark and moonless night with thunder and howling wind----- and we all sat around telling scary stories--- us here at Zero Hedge. here is mine

 

I was in the middle of the Watts Riots some many years ago. The Guard/Police did fire upon citizens. The whole area was ablaze and shooting was fairly constant. On top of my small building, I could see fires 360 degrees for 2 nights and bang, bang, bang.

 

I would hate to see this replayed. The destruction to the area was not rebuilt for many years. The loss of life was not replaceable.

 

For those who speak of revolt, let them also speak of viable alternate solutions. Change may be an end game, but funeral will there before change. Think of the dead before they go dead and construct another way out.

Strongbad's picture

What people don't take into consideration is the sheer physical size of the US.  Sure, a 1 million man army is big and advanced, but America is like 20 times bigger than Afghanistan and full of a lot more armed people.  You can't control that amount of space if the people don't want you to.

NMC_EXP's picture

Army-No way. Won't happen. I speak as an ex-officer.

My brother is a retired U.S. Army General Officer.  After the massacre of the Branch Davidians at Waco I asked him how the U.S. military would respond if the citizenry revolted.  At the time he was a one star and I am certain he hated Clinton's guts.

His response was that the officer corps swore an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies both foreign and domestic.

The emphasis on "and domestic" was his. 

I would not bet my life that the U.S. military won't fire on citizens.

 

 

bankruptcylawyer's picture

CD .you are one of the best posters on ZH. not only that, but you get the best people responding in the comments section. i have been here since the blog days. i am waiting for your book to come out. 

thanks for your writing . 

Cognitive Dissonance's picture

High praise indeed. Thank you very much.

I seem to bring out the best (and sometimes the worst) in the ZH community. I've been saying since day one as a contributor that the real Gold is found in the comment section. I always learn from those who leave comments under my posts. Always. 

In this case it's clear that many have thought about this subject prior to this essay and I've been very happy to find that there were very few knee jerk answers. The comments for the most part are thoughtful and in depth and some discussed aspects I hadn't considered. The ZH community always schools me well. :>)

Hugh_Jorgan's picture

Nice article CD. I like the frame of mind that you suggest in the introduction. I found myself looking at the question through a different lens and quite probably one that is more valid after reading this piece.

One comment I would offer for the reader is; although it is a possibility, I feel that it is very unlikely that we see a step-change in the socio-political or economic order that will allow everyone to suddenly realize the true nature of the situation. The power base will use the “normalcy bias” and the media to confuse, mitigate, obfuscate, and deceive in ways that will surely shock even the jaded ZHers. I think that this slow grind of events will likely have the unfortunate effect of preventing the police, and national guard from ever finding a clear path to disobey an “unlawful order”. There will always be some factor(s) that make them think twice. This makes it very difficult for law abiding people to ensure that their rights are not violated by the tyranny of the NWO as they attempt to break the back of America and finally globalize us fully.

I hate to even think about it, but I’m becoming more and more convinced that there are few plausible scenarios that don’t involve the secession of multiple states from the Union and/or a 2nd civil war in the United States. God help us all…

ChoppednScrewed's picture

Tptb will not let this economy go free-fall over night. They will control it's decent and have something ready to put in it's place once it does happen. Along the way they will have every day life thin out the herd. These people have been doing this for hundreds, if not thousands, of years as the article states. Before you worry about being fired on by this or that person... I'd worry about be fired upon by rogue gangs and even some morally corrupt neighbors that were dependent on the system for sustinance when the system was good. Worry about eating first. You need energy to sustain the battle that comes. And I can tell you, twelve hundred calories per day is not going to keep you in the battle. This is the daily amount of calories to be handed out in the FEMA camps that don't really exist.

SilverFiend's picture

So the Egyptian military did not fire on the people but the US military will?  I think in the situation described our military would declare martial law.  Anyone foolish enough to stand up to that would be interned indefinitely.  There is no question that president Obama is laying the groundwork for the police state with his signing of the executive order titled "Establishment of the Council of Governors".  These are 10 governors which coincide with the 10 FEMA regions whose job it is to liaise with officials from Northcom, Homeland Security, the National Guard as well as DoD officials from the Pentagon “in order to strengthen further the partnership between the Federal Government and State governments,” according to the executive order.  Obama's campaign slogan should have been "Change you won't believe until it is too late".

 

After all he promised a "national civilian security service" during the campaign.  If implemented this is a direct challenge to the sovreignty of the states and it lays the groundwork for the end of the US as a republic.  This is the same course that the Nazi's took in pre-war Germany to consolidate power in the office of the Executive.

 

People speak of false flag operations.  I wonder what false event created by the President will serve as a catalyst to implement his power grab?  After all,  "Never let a good crisis go to waste".

Cathartes Aura's picture

well, bush/cheney had 911 for their false-flag waving Patriot Acts, Homeland Security monoliths, so let your imagination soar.

by the way, these "acts" have virtually nothing to do with "presidents" or sides.

 

antidisestablishmentarianismishness's picture

I'm far more worried (a smidgen vs nil) about being killed by a drunk driver tonight than I am about being shot by the police 2 decades from now.  There are a bazillion bad scenarios that might or might not come true.  I have friends who've spent the last 40 years warning about shit like this, waiting for a mini-Armageddon.  To me it sometimes looks like they've needlessly wasted their lives but hey, if they get their enjoyment from concocting doomsday scenarios then far be it from me to tell them there are better ways to spend their lives.  After all, there is absolutely no doubt that the sun will burn out some day, so nothing is very important in the big scheme of things. 

forexskin's picture

probably right, nothing of any consequence has happened in the last 40 or 50 years. what a wasteful human quality, that insipid need to predict... you may as well well quit looking both ways before you cross the street, since your safety is so ironclad secure.

 

and since your head appears to be lower than your feet and still descending, enjoy the sand in your ears and that hugely informative wisp of moral relativism...

Slartibartfast's picture

An excellent read and well thought out but there's one key elemental equation missing:

While it is certainly true that citizens will not protest until the situation becomes dire, it is important to note (with history providing numerous examples) that the 'rip-off' itself is unable to be controlled. In other words, the Greedy can't stop being greedy. There's no 'off' button, and so a threshold is eventually reached where utter collapse, even of the 'rip off' and abuses themselves, cannot be stopped. The 'ponzi' gets played until it can't be played anymore.

 

Therein lies the ultimate end...Greed and the violence that protects it eventually does everything in, pushes the bounds of credulity only so far, and eventually defeats itself.

SilverBaron's picture

We already have sort of a microcosm--the LA (Rodney King) riots.  I remember there were many neighborhoods that the Police simply wouldn't go into because they were being shot at.  The numbers are too overwhelmingly against the peacekeepers.  If the whole country erupted, the army and police would quickly realize that they had better defect and go defend their own families.  Why would they try to protect others when their own families are at risk?  I think the only thing that could subdue the US gone mad is a massive army the likes of which only the Chinese could produce.  And even that may be impossible.  Even if they managed to invade they would be sniped to death, sort of like the Germans in Russia.  Their best chance would be to surround us and let us kill each other when the food ran out.  Or of course the nuclear option.

Cathartes Aura's picture

those riots were in non-white neighbourhoods - were there any threats to the "wealthier" areas surrounding, you would have seen a very different "reaction" than was shown.

when folk destroy their own nests, it always serves their masters - it's the master's enclaves that deserve targeting, but we all know they are/will be heavily defended.

GoingLoonie's picture

"Someone in the comment section the other day said that since the military is now an all volunteer fighting force, the standard of conduct has been raised and no one in the military would ever fire on their fellow citizens."  With all due respect this is exactly why they would fire without thinking.  They are not citizen soldiers, but mercenaries there for money only.  You need only look at the values protrayed by our military in the recent wars to see this.  It is the citizen soldier, the guy that does not want to be there-that is the check on the other.

Cathartes Aura's picture

They are not citizen soldiers, but mercenaries there for money only.  You need only look at the values protrayed by our military in the recent wars to see this.  It is the citizen soldier, the guy that does not want to be there-that is the check on the other.

thank you.  this point deserves to be made repeatedly - that everyone "serving" these past few decades of war in the ME volunteered to kill, and remain volunteers even after knowing the lies perpetuated by those who use them as cannon fodder.

the whole patriotic meme many were raised on, mom 'n' apple pie 'n' flag pinned lapels, has been outed as a centuries long deliberate lie, and anyone killing people to maintain that lie does not deserve respect or parades at this stage in the game.

I have had conversations with younger military guys lately, and they all seem friendly, amenable - and all assure me that *shrug* it's a paycheck, beats "three hots 'n' a cot" - just the way things are.  I understand their excuses, but they are borne of a lack of integrity, and an unwillingness to think for themselves, or to recognise that they are killing other humans - it's all "sand niggers" etc. - like "gooks" & "krauts" & whatever other labels they made up and bonded over before, while polishing their guns.

once people really understand that a volunteer military is a paid killing machine, and can be turned on whoever their owners tell them to destroy, then proper self-preservation can begin. . .

Boiling Frogs's picture

If there is any merit to a draft, maybe that is it...the citizen-soldier.

Eternal Student's picture

There's an interesting article about the Decline of the Empire in the WSJ today, though it's not exactly stated as such:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870415060457616636251295229...

The Decline of U.S. Naval Power"

"Sixty ships were commonly underway in America's seaward approaches in 1998, but today there are only 20. We are abdicating our role on the oceans.
"

 

 

Dagny Taggart's picture

Goodness gracious CD, you've gone viral! I googled the title of this article and it is huge.

Cognitive Dissonance's picture

Looks like I touched upon a sore spot in the minds eye. It will be interesting to follow up in a few days and read the responses on the other blogs. The ZH comment section is not exactly a good example of average America. 

cranky-old-geezer's picture

The ZH comment section is not exactly a good example of average America. 

I view that as a good thing.

WaterWings's picture

With Bieber and Gaga videos on YouTube getting 300,000,000+ views it's easy to see why. If they suddenly discovered ZH it would be a Katrina event.

topcallingtroll's picture

actually in my neck of the woods the answer is very clear.

If you came after the police and attacked them they way european and korean rioters do, then you would be shot.  Instantly.  No hesitation.

That is why such foolishness will not happen in my area.  It is very possible the small downtown shopkeepers would shoot the rioters first.  Breaking windows of small mom and pop businesses and throwing molotovs is uncool and would be subject to the death penalty in my area.

That is at least one nice thing about living in smallsville south USA

downrodeo's picture

CD, thank you for your work, as always, and dedication to the cause. Good energy to you, my friend!

Stuck on Zero's picture

Police brutality usually involves very angry officers and a suspect who cannot retaliate.  It is very different when an armed populace holding high-powered hunting rifles on rooftops takes aim at SWAT teams or National Guardsmen.  They will flee like any intelligent human beings.  What we have to worry about the most is the frog in the boiling water approach by tyrannists.  They will use secret police to take on our citizens one by one and terrorize the populace.  Pray for peace.

skipjack's picture

The answer to the question is yes...but just once.  Why ?  Because shooting fellow citizens will not be pleasant.  The families of these shooters will be targeted, and you can count on mass desertion as a result.  You saw it in Tunisia, in Egypt, and even in New Orleans when the cops went rogue and went home.

 

The real answer is what Egypt did - what Atlas Shrugged is all about - passive aggression.  Refuse to participate.  Don't go to work.  Park your car on a major road along with a few thousand others and leave it there.  Shut it all down, and the elites will see, in very little time, that the empire they think they control is not within their power to keep.

 

In a country with more lead delivery systems than citizens, the elites who order the shooting of their fellow citizens will not have a long lifespan.  Nor will they keep their power or their "assets" when they are on the run, hunted by those they oppress.

 

The hippies had it right, after all.  People power...

cranky-old-geezer's picture

The American experiment with limited government / rights / liberty has ended due to lack of interest. 

During the Revolutionary War most people were content to remain British government subjects, and that majority has grown over time, today they're content to be American government subjects. 

Today they speak of rights and liberty while completely ignorant of what those rights are and how to defend that liberty.  They believe it's government's job to do all that, while they sit back watching Dancing With The Stars, paying far higher taxes than their colonist ancestors paid.

Today law enforcement people do the very same thing British troops did in the colonies, enforce draconian laws and extort money for their government bosses.

The presence of police has the very same legal effect as the presence of military troops.  The area is under military rule, otherwise known as martial law.

This is why city councils can enact ordinances that completely violate the state constitution and national Bill of Rights.  The city is under military rule, martial law.

When you enter city limits you're entering a military (municipal, same thing) jurisdiction operating under martial law.  Leave your rights at the city limit sign, pick them up when you leave.

sagelike's picture

Just conduct a “police brutality” YouTube search if you’d like a video lesson on officially sanctioned violence in America. Between the images cruiser dashboard cams have documented and those candid camera videos various citizens have captured via camera phone it’s quite clear police violence isn’t just perpetrated by a few rogue cops on an occasional basis. Instead it appears to be a systemic problem that’s growing worse by the day.

Growing worse by the day? Man you don't know your history. The police in America have always been violent and probably more so in the past, not to mention corrupt. The myth of the good old days when everyone worked hard and was honest is just that: a myth.

It's not so much a systemic problem or some conspiracy as much as it's a 'human' problem and what happens when you give people power.

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The point many may miss is that it will be the Progressive Left, the new National Socialists, who will be demanding this violence to "protect the people's movement, the revolution".  Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Fidel all have killed millions and millions to "protect the people and the revolution".  And they will do it here wrapped in the flag of "Social Justice" and few will understand that "Social Justice" is death. The Fabians, Sanger, the "Pro Choice" crowd all want to thin the herd. And who better to thin first than the "reactionaries" who actually believe they own what they build.

BennyBoy's picture

They won't use many bullets but lots of high tech weapons, like one that makes your skin feel like it is burning if you don't leave the area.

And lots of other non-lethal weapons.

Don't forget about the empty big prisons waiting for people expressing their first and second amendment rights.

RingToneDeaf's picture

What a bunch of optimists.

You guys always look on the bright side of life.

Our government is here to serve us, protect us and prepare the next generation.

Where does all this "future is looking bright" come from?

With this age of the electronic funds transfer we are only 6 minutes away from Midnight, on the Doomsday Clock. Suitcase nukes and Atty General Eric Holder are the least of our worries, what about Algores Global Warming/Climate Change/Global Cooling warning?

Wake up! Smell the coffee.

Looking on the bright side of life, whistle now past the graveyard.

JimboJammer's picture

Hillary  Clinton  wants  your  guns....

The  NWO  wants  all  the  guns..

pros's picture

Army Rangers have been posted conspicuously at high traffic locations in NYC, some brandishing M-16's...places like the Port Authority bus terminal.

Hannibal's picture
"Would US Police/Troops Fire Upon US Citizens?"....YES
anvILL's picture

I think American soldiers will not fire upon their citizens unless the soldiers get paid significantly more than average Americans.
It has been, and it will be, about the money.

litoralkey's picture

There won't be a situation entailed as such until there are two consecutive failed grain harvests in the United States.

For that to happen would mean the "State" had already collapsed in several regions of the country.

By the time we get to that point 'the Police" will no longer be separate entities from "the Public" in most areas, either the Police will dissolve, or the Police will enlarge through posses and volunteer forces.

Under either scenario, we would be looking at a collapse in intraState and interState commerce, tolls, checkpoints, and brigands and highwaymen... all operating under the color of local law enforcement.

These TEOTWAWKI threads have been on the internet for 15+ years, very few participants bother to deconstruct the entire supply chain before trying to assume what would still be functioning under these scenarios.

Grain. Water. Energy. Cotton.

No more cheap meat or protein, no more spare parts to fix energy transmission systems or vehicles, no medical supplies, no more new clothing.

All of that would have to be occuring BEFORE we'll see any systematic and widespread massacres perpetrated by organized armed men under color of law.

Under any of these scenarios, you personally do not want to be the victim, you want to be the survivor... read up on appropriate technologies being used in the developing world...

http://www.villageearth.org/Publications/ATLibrary/ATLDVD.html

Michael Victory's picture



nice piece.
thumbs up cd.

Cognitive Dissonance's picture

Coming from another contributor that is high praise indeed. Thank you.

GoldbugVariation's picture

Read "Thirteen" by Richard Morgan (also called "Black Man" in the UK)

http://www.amazon.com/Thirteen-Richard-K-Morgan/dp/0345480899/ref=sr_1_3...

Recently written speculative fiction (science fiction if you like, though it's only looking ahead a few years), it imagines a world where the USA has split into three, the Pacific Rim states, and the New York-centred "Republic", and the religious South and Mid-West "Jesusland", following a brief civil war instigated by Chinese agents.

williambanzai7's picture

Generated at this point of the thread...

WaterWings's picture

WB7,

Curious about the scale of the words:

What's the smallest count for a word to be included and how many iterations is the largest?

williambanzai7's picture

The parameter is a cutoff based on number of words. The program sizes the words based on frequency af appearance. I set the cutoff somewhere around 250.