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End Game - Would US Police/Troops Fire Upon US Citizens?
End Game - Would US Police/Troops Fire Upon US Citizens?
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Cognitive Dissonance
This is the first in an occasional series examining the end of the American Empire and the global shock waves it will produce. Contrary to popular belief I suspect the unraveling will take place over many years, decades even, with sudden plunges and slow partial recoveries aka dead cat bounces. I call this series of examinations “End Game”.
I would wager that the vast majority of people reading this essay have already come to their own conclusion regarding the answer to the title’s query. Certainly you may have several qualifiers and stipulations with which you framed your answer and maybe even a few facts and proofs ready for quick rebuttal if challenged. But my own experience with explosive questions such as this is that there are few who have not already formed an opinion on the matter. If you have not you would be the exception to the rule.
And at this point in the meltdown it would be fair to say there are no correct or incorrect answers to be found, only supposition, assumption and what I expect will be full throated argument to follow in the comment section. May I suggest that whatever answer you’ve come up with wasn’t necessarily arrived at through careful deliberation or contemplation, but rather as an integral part of your overall belief system? And while you may consider all that you believe to be valid and fact based, for all people other than possibly the sociopaths walking among us this is far from the case.
Personally I find that sitting down and writing about a subject forces me to push through all the fuzzy logic and tenuous connections that make up my system of beliefs. For most of us what we think we know or believe is similar to a loosely connected debris field of facts, thoughts, myths, hopes and desires floating on the mind’s surface. Only in this case there really isn’t much mixing or removal of the thought debris by intellectual wave action, just a lifelong rearrangement of the floating deck chairs. When strong emotions are brought into the mix, it’s like a hurricane came through and made an even bigger mess of things.
Much of our belief system is firmly stuck in heavy mud by our late twenties, having been absorbed and adopted during our early years by way of our state mandated education, the popular press, corporate branding initiatives, consensus opinion, deliberately false public myth making and the always present and rarely subtle corporate and governmental propaganda machines. And what we call our mid life crisis is simply that period of time when we begin to call into question many of the basic and fundamental tenets that have guided us to that point. We usually get through this moment of clarity when the bills start piling up and the libido finally begins to fail care of our chemically treated foodstuffs. In practice what we believe is not a coherent jigsaw puzzle held together by reason and “facts”, but rather little islands of hope and belief that would contradict or outright cancel each other like matter and anti-matter if they ever came into contact with one other. I see this all the time not just here in The Hedge (both in the comment section and in various articles from multiple sources) but in newspapers, magazines, blogs, TV and radio; the list really is endless. Selective memory and a convoluted thought process isn’t just the domain of think tanks and the MSM. The alternative press and blogosphere are often just as guilty as well, it being one of the hazards of swimming in the same festering cesspool. Read or listen to any person long enough and you eventually begin to detect errors in logical thought and fact as well as serious conflicts between a person’s articles, books, and lectures; even at times within a specific article or essay. I find this holds true for nearly everyone (including myself) regardless of our denial that it’s happening. Courage is required to challenge our own thinking and weed these discrepancies out. Sadly it’s so much easier to isolate and ignore these inconsistencies then to purge them and face the ugly truths left behind. We hide from ourselves long before we flee the boogie man. The masks we wear in public are crude imitations of the ones we carry within.
Judging from conversations I’ve had with many people from diverse backgrounds the majority of souls seem to come down into one of two camps. For the most part the responses I’ve gathered consist of either “No….but” and “Yes….but” with the clear winner the middle ground of qualified “buts”. When questioned more than superficially and asked to explain or justify their stance, many shamelessly switch back and forth between sides and arguments, proving to me that their opinion is based upon nothing more substantial than wishful thinking and hope. However, most do understand that there are huge variables involved anytime a gun is pointed and fired, regardless of whether the person fired upon is armed or not.
Obviously at this point in the great American unwind no police or military units are patrolling the streets gunning down all who are seen as threatening. And this wasn’t what I was suggesting would happen……at least not unless worse case scenarios are achieved. But the end of the American Empire is approaching, a process that will unravel over decades. And it would be hopelessly naïve or even terminally ignorant to believe that any high ranking “authority” in America has anyone’s interest first other than their own. We can love our slave masters all we want, but they love us only for any remaining productive worth we may offer and no more.
Any remaining belief in high ranking honorable “public servants” should have been thoroughly abandoned after witnessing the outrageous antics of the financial elite and politically connected over the last ten years and particularly the last five. We are all expendable cannon fodder and contrary to any official assurances from the professional propagandists that we are all loved and cared about, we have always been so. Denial of this basic fact is the only real roadblock to a fuller understanding of what’s being done in my name and yours.
False hope inevitably binds us to truly impossible situations and this has consistently been our Achilles Heel, a weakness ruthlessly exploited by the rich and powerful for millennium. The almost universally accepted Abrahamic religious redeemer complex is the ultimate (self) enslavement vehicle. In effect, it forgives those who dish out the punishment and glorifies the suffering of those who are being punished. Talk about your dysfunctional relationship, how are we to live in peace and harmony when the basic tenets of the majority of the world’s religions glorify those who grind our bones to make their bread?
First let’s take a look at who or what would be patrolling the streets under the guise of “keeping the peace”, “finding the terrorists” or whatever excuse the government manufactures in order to justify placing armed uniformed men and women in the population centers of America. And for the purpose of this essay there is the assumption that something has happened or was caused to happen that will be used by the powers that be to deploy police/troops in America under the cover of maintaining law and order.
BTW, we should clearly understand that the real reason the troops will be deployed is to maintain and possibly even consolidate the existing power structure of the powers that be. Or at a minimum to keep the lynch mobs and revenge seekers at bay long enough to make their escape. Is this truly that surprising? After all we have devolved into a banana republic and that’s the way all bananas are eventually peeled.
Initially there would be the local police, supposedly the first line of defense in maintaining the peace. And despite the obvious fact that over the last ten or so years they have been increasingly militarized, the police are for the most part trained to resolve conflict through non-violent means. Or at least that’s the official public myth. Only after you don’t agree with their non violent solution do they pull out their Tasar or Glock. If the first thing you experience is fear when you see flashing lights in the rearview mirror, I would ask you to reconsider the validity of their “non-violent” mission.
Just conduct a “police brutality” YouTube search if you’d like a video lesson on officially sanctioned violence in America. Between the images cruiser dashboard cams have documented and those candid camera videos various citizens have captured via camera phone it’s quite clear police violence isn’t just perpetrated by a few rogue cops on an occasional basis. Instead it appears to be a systemic problem that’s growing worse by the day. A Google word search using the same term will bring back tens of thousands of hits, more than enough to turn your stomach and send the meek and mind controlled scurrying back to the safety of their warm beds. The formerly carefully hidden police state is now coming into full view.
The second line of defense would be the National Guard. If we were talking twenty years ago I might make a disparaging remark about weekend warriors more dangerous to themselves than to others. But eight years of rotations through Iraq and Afghanistan have turned the National Guard into something your father wouldn’t recognize. Without getting too deep into the merits of today’s Guard, better trained has its pluses and minuses as long as we understand what they have now been trained to do.
Then there is the military itself, most likely Army and possibly Special Forces units that will provide the actual boots on the ground. Ever since the creation of NORTHCON on October 1, 2002, supposedly as a direct result of 9/11, the political and financial elite have been overtly preparing for the inevitability of social unrest. Covert preparations extend back decades under cover of any available and plausible excuse in the book.
The military readily admits that it’s not properly trained to execute (no pun intended) domestic police actions and they agree they would be poorly suited to maintain order during any chaotic domestic uprising. And I agree. Home invasions by the military would be just as distasteful for Americans as they are for the Iraqis regardless of what it’s called and under whatever bullshit legal premise it has been authorized.
I can’t help but wonder if the UN Security Council will sanction an invasion of America by a “coalition of the willing” when our time comes around? Don’t laugh because I’m being deadly serious. Do not underestimate the measures the desperate will use to remain in power and don’t assume the rich and powerful are physically located only in the USA. It’s a global game and America has been the home field only for the last 70 or so years. It helps to remember that stock sectors aren’t the only thing that rotates. BTW notice that the eagle below covers all of North America, not just the USA.
On a side note, I still find it amazing how many political/military actions were a direct result of 9/11 yet nobody wants to seriously discuss what really went down that day. Careful because you might not like the stench of whatever it is you dig up. We all complain about political and governmental secrecy, but the vast majority of Americans don’t want to know what’s going on and are happier when they are deceived. The big lie we gratefully participate in is that we are a free and self directed people. It’s so much better to let buried dogs lay undisturbed where they can quickly decompose out of sight and mind.
And let’s not forget the foreign troops that will be invited to conduct joint exercises on American soil. On February 14, 2008 Northcom and the Canada Command agreed to come to each other’s “aid” in the event of a civil crisis such as floods, forest fires, hurricanes, earthquakes and “the effects of a terrorist attack”. While this description comes from the PR propaganda on Northcom’s web site I would love to read the actual document. Naturally Congress wasn’t consulted and were actually sidestepped entirely. It didn’t matter anyway since they were too busy whoring for re-election contributions at the time, a time honored spring, summer, fall and winter Congressional/Corporate pornographic mating ritual.
Of course, the obvious inference here is that if American citizen soldiers are unable or unwilling to “police” their fellow US citizens, we can always call in the Canadians to help us out. Certainly our Canadian brothers and sisters will be subjected to plenty of official propaganda to prepare them for their friendly invasion. I’m sure the psyops division of both countries can come up with plenty of video of homeless Americans swimming across the Saint Lawrence River in search of Canadian food stamps and citizenship….or at least their version of the green card. There are many other “agreements” with NATO and other individual countries that have been less publicized than this one if that’s even remotely possible
Now for the sleeper “police” force very few seem willing to acknowledge or even aware enough of to intelligently discuss, but who will most certainly be invited to the nationwide block party. Naturally I’m talking about private military contractors of the Blackwater/Xe ilk, also known as privately paid (with taxpayer funds of course) and controlled mercenaries of the increasingly privatized and corporatized America. This isn’t new but rather just a recycling of an old tradition of the Federal Government using private entities to provide “security” and “crowd control”. Blackwater is just the latest.
While everyone was watching what Blackwater and others like them were (and still are) doing over in Iraq and Afghanistan (and in many other countries where they are used as embassy and corporate “security” forces) rarely do we hear about the untold billions they’re being paid for services rendered in the good old US of A. Their presence in New Orleans after Katrina was a primer on how things will be done in the future. The almighty buck is their master and it’s the only flag they salute. God bless Uncle Ben.
Last, but most assuredly not least, will be the alphabet soup of government intelligence agencies (domestic and foreign) as well as too numerous to count private “interests” pushing, prodding and provoking wherever they can to influence the outcome of the civil unrest. This will be done for any number of reasons that will most certainly be at cross purposes with the interests of the American people in general and the actual protestors in particular. This will include the FBI, CIA, DIA, Mossad, MI6, BND and dozens of other public, private and foreign “security” and intelligence organizations whose primary purpose will be the protection of the vested interests of powerful people, corporations and countries. Guess where that leaves you and me?
So who will take to the streets? Ultimately this is impossible to say because the situation will be fluid and the variables unknown and in a constant state of flux. To be frank the time to push back was late in 2008 when the globalist’s financial agenda flipped from covert to overt and their plans were finally exposed for all to see who wished to look. But decades of conditioning and propaganda was sufficient to keep the American people trapped within their own minds and unable to muster the courage to begin the process of breaking free. And once TARP was rammed through without significant or sustained resistance, the financial elite knew it was game on and they’d better get it all while the getting was good.
And getting it all is precisely what they’ve done over the last 2 plus years as private debt was systematically bought by the Federal Reserve for 100 cents on each dollar in the name of “saving” the system. Now the next leg down has begun (I am not measuring economic legs by the stock market) and where it stops nobody really knows. But after 3 years of worsening economic conditions, carefully camouflaged by an artificially pumped stock market, more and more American citizens are waking up to the fact that they’ve been ripped off and to some extent they’ve let it happen. Or at the very least they barely said a word other than bitch and complain to each other about the highway robbery.
This is where the really destructive and ultimately self defeating rage will spring from. Obviously it will be acted out as simple righteous indignation over the repeated daylight robberies of the US treasury by public and private entities. But just like a women scorned, there is no anger quite like that enjoyed by the person who suddenly realizes he or she has been conned and the active ingredient was his or her own greed and willing participation. Facing this ugly self revelation, the ego has no choice but to push every emotional button it can find in a desperate attempt to keep the mind from recognizing that it is partially responsible for its own continuing enslavement.
What usually arises from this internal blame shifting and emotional thrashing about is mindless anger directed at the “responsible” con men whose motto is there will always be customers ready to purchase the lies and self deception they’re selling. Since we can’t possibly shoulder any blame for our dance with the devil no matter how small, this anger will eventually be directed towards any handy minority (group or individual, it doesn’t really matter) who happens to be in the wrong place at the right time.
Case in point is the very recent public services union bashing, themselves just another greedy patsy on a long list of willing participants in our own self destruction. Next up is unionized grocery baggers at the local Safeway followed by Meals-On-Wheels delivery drivers. There are no lows that will not be plumed by a population trying to escape responsibility and self examination and this too will be skillfully used against us.
There is one defining characteristic we Americans proudly boast of that is singularly unique in the entire world and it has nothing to do with our standard of living, GDP or total debt. “We The People” not only believed our leader’s lies about American exceptionalism, but we bought into those lies hook, line and sinker. And for several decades the lie worked magnificently thanks to the magic of a widely accepted reserve currency which enabled us to export most of the corrosive effects of our money printing (aka inflation) outside our borders and the military to enforce it when reluctance surfaced…..such as Iraq and Afghanistan to name just two. Good times were had by all, the punch bowl never ran dry and it was all due to our superior abilities. Until now that is.
This is in contrast to the citizens of various Middle East countries (or much of the developing world for that matter) who are always painfully aware of their real state of existence. Or even the Europeans, who have lived through several thousand years of regime changes, invasions and oppression and for the most part have a much better understanding of the magnitude and scope of the official lies and propaganda and how the dance plays out.
Ultimately this didn’t save the Europeans from their own greed and self interested pursuits, but at least they aren’t completely shocked that it’s all coming apart……..once again. The ice cold shower of awakening we Americans are about to experience will be unlike anything any nation has gone through since possibly WW2 Germany beginning around 1942 when civilian centers were deliberately targeted by Allied bombing and the German population began to really feel the sting of their own self deception and mass delusion. While I have no way of knowing exactly how America’s electro shock therapy will play out, it seems self evident it’s coming if for no other reason than because I can hear the electrical generators firing up in the background. Clear!
How this affects the American psyche as well as the various ways it could play out is well beyond the scope of this essay, but suffice to say it will not be pretty. For some of us escape will be had by digging ever deeper into denial. For others, especially those who become caught up in the vicious cycle of endless anger and fits of self pity and rage, the obvious targets of their self destructive outbursts will be any low level authority figure who stands up to them and that all time favorite among those who diligently practice slave mentality, their fellow slaves. Following our passive/aggressive conditioning, many of us will seek to punish those like us before we ever consider lifting a finger against our own masters.
While I expect cooler heads among the aggrieved will attempt to exert an influence over the angry mobs and demonstrators, we must not diminish the ugly truth that there will be plenty of domestic and foreign entities that will see the coming American domestic strife and unrest as an opportunity to foment violent demonstrations and even armed and violent insurrection. The use of infiltrated agents and agent provocateurs to incite violence and disrupt peaceful protest is a well known and time honored technique used by private parties, governments and even the resistance itself (to maintain plausible deniability for example) to further their own particular goals.
The very fact that spontaneous demonstrations are by their nature unorganized and at best loosely controlled works against the intent of the people demonstrating when those who wish to disrupt and discredit are familiar with and comfortable using any means necessary to maintain or regain control over the population. The worst that can happen to any group of people working to unseat an existing power base is their failure to imagine the lengths to which those in power will go to keep it. Those who don’t lie cheat and steal for a living won’t give proper weight and consideration to the tendency of those who do so to continue to do so, let alone their desire to accelerate their methods of operation.
One would think that once the American people begin to wake up to the extent and breadth of official corruption and manipulation that they would at least be temporarily disabused of seeking additional flights of fantasy. Sadly this is not the case at all. The well worn path many newly awakened minds take is to substitute one form of self delusion with another. A conditioned mind that has been shocked into awareness will immediately begin to seek simple answers that help them rationalize away their own self deception and participation. This tendency will be repeatedly and skillfully exploited by foreign and domestic psyops campaigns. Out of the frying pan and into the fire is an apt description for how it works.
For those who may doubt the veracity of that last paragraph, consider the long and extremely painful path you have walked to get to where you are now in your awakening. How many times have you become demoralized and depressed along the way? How often did you backslide into denial with each new and shocking revelation? How many times did you try to bargain with the truth in order to forget only to fail miserably? How much easier was it for you to adapt to and then accept what you desperately wished to deny because the world remained relatively normal during your acclimation period.
Your awakening happened over a minimum of many months and most likely years and as much as you may have wished you could, it’s impossible to forget once you have been exposed to the previously unthinkable. Now consider what your state of mind would be like if all that you’ve experienced was compressed into a few short months or even several weeks. This is what the average Joe is facing at some point in the future. To have your sense of self identity and community ripped from you by the very people you’ve wanted to believe were your protectors is never easy to deal with under the best of circumstances. The easy road to awareness is behind us and it’s all downhill from here.
So while I can’t answer the title’s question for you I can offer my own opinion as to whether or not Americans will be fired upon. The short answer is that of course they will. Why would you think otherwise when US history offers up dozens of examples to choose from. The powers that be are ego maniacs, the elites have hundreds of years of experience controlling the masses and the masses are mostly living their lives in denial. I consider it inevitable that when the uprisings begin and they turn really ugly that those who are paid to protect the powerful and their assets will follow orders and do precisely that.
Hat Tip to William Banzai7 for the image below.
Once again you can’t see this from your own point of view because you most likely won’t be the one holding the riot gear and facing the screaming mobs. While I’m certain some within the police, military and National Guard will follow their heart and refuse to fire or even follow orders if doing so means hurting their fellow citizens, in effect declaring conscientious objector status, they will for the most part be a small minority and will be quickly weeded out of the ranks by the second or third round of protests.
Considering the insanity the police and troops will be facing as well as the economic collapse that threatens them as well, the police/troops will rally around each other and protect their own closed community using whatever means necessary. Throw in the mercenaries, the agent provocateurs, the psyops campaigns, the meddling from the various intelligence agencies and the only question I have is not if but when and how much.
Someone in the comment section the other day said that since the military is now an all volunteer fighting force, the standard of conduct has been raised and no one in the military would ever fire on their fellow citizens. While I would love to believe this, I see it from a different point of view. Those in the military want(ed) to be in the military, thus they were more likely to buy into military groupthink and its attendant mind control and propaganda. Rest assured that long before any uniformed service person (police or military) is asked to confront their fellow citizens they will be subjected to a barrage of intensive conditioning and will be propagandized to the nth degree.
In my opinion, to believe that the various forces arrayed against the protesting public won’t fire on them is to continue to believe in American exceptionalism and more specifically in the desire of the rich and powerful to finally see the error of their ways and thus immediately cease and desist from further exploitation and pillage. If this is the case, if this is what you believe, then all I can say is that you live in a dream world Neo.
On a more positive note I do think something has changed and it’s still not being recognized for what it is and what it might mean. The interim resolutions in Tunisia and Egypt, while undoubtedly unsettled and tenuous at best, did not result in the massive loss of lives many people and governments thought could and would happen. Libya is playing out how many expected Egypt and Tunisia would, with the powers that be fighting to retain power with modern weapons and no mercy.
My question is this, why didn’t Egypt and Tunisia go up in flames? I have some thoughts on why this is the case and I saw WB7 made mention of this change in one of his posts as well. The people who said no more to the powers that be didn’t show up with broken bottles, rocks and other assorted weapons ready to fight. Instead they just said no in as peaceful a manner as they could and they were saying no to the global Ponzi, not just the local branch. Instead of joining a mindless mob, people were praying, talking, playing music and at times even laughing. This is a dramatic sea change in the herd mentality and one that I hope to examine more closely in the future.
03-01-2011
Cognitive Dissonance
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I love the inspired choice of using a dove to contain the comments under an article discussing death and revolt.
BTW I wasn't able to place this WB7 image in my essay yesterday for technical reasons. It's there now, but it deserves a wider audience. Bill, you did a great job. Thanks.
man, that image is haunting. i remember chronkite relating how one of the four dead, a girl, had moments before placed a flower in the barrel of a guardman's rifle, saying 'flowers are better than bullets'. *sigh*
kent state was the defining event in my 9 year long life. nobody in my 3 generation military family could explain it to my satisfaction, especially not my father. even now my old unc, decorated WWII marine vet and career nat guard, says we do not talk about vietnam.
i conclude that was the intent - divide and conquer. NOTHING in the last hundred years has caused such a generational split. i will not let this happen with my son.
going around now:
General VoNguyen Giap.
General Giap was a brilliant, highly respected leader
of the North Vietnam military. The following quote
is from his memoirs currently found in the
Vietnam war memorial in Hanoi :
'What we still don't understand is why you Americans
stopped the bombing of Hanoi . You had us on the
ropes. If you had pressed us a little harder,
just for another day or two, we were ready
to surrender! It was the same at the
battle of TET. You defeated us!
We knew it, and we thought
you knew it.
But we were elated to notice your media was
helping us. They were causing more disruption in
America than we could in the battlefields. We
were ready to surrender. You had won!'
General Giap has published his memoirs and confirmed
what most Americans knew. The Vietnam war was not
lost in Vietnam -- it was lost at home. The
same slippery slope, sponsored by the US media,
is currently underway. It exposes the
enormous power of a Biased Media to
cut out the heart and will of
the American public.
A truism worthy of note: ... Do not fear the enemy, for
they can take only your life. Fear the media, for
they will destroy your honor.
"Would US Police/Troops Fire Upon US Citizens?"
Yes. Especially police. They're trained to.
I think the "Black Swan" event is already here..in Madison Wisconsin.
Newly installed Gauleiter Scott Walker openly touts his allegiance to the financial and corporate PTB, and dares the public employee unions to do something about it.
As a result, he is finding that even his ostensible supporters are slipping away...and just as in Tunisia, Egypt, and Libya some of his bought-and paid-for "security forces" are now openly siding with the opposition.
Ultimately, I think the standoff ends with martial law and the arrest of Walker and a significant number of the Republican legislative majority...by the Wisconsin National Guard, just returned from back-to-back tours in Iraq and Afghanistan.
If this happens, expect fifty Cairos or Madisons, happening simultaneously across the country....
The security forces will behave pretty much as they have at WTO protests and the like. They will infiltrate, try to nip it in the bud, people percieved as leaders will be disappeared, etc. If protests got really big on a national scale, I think that local police may side with the populace. Soldiers and mercenaries brought in from another area, not so much. Take note that some police actually joined protesters in the Wisconsin capitol building.
Like in Libya, there will always be an elite force who will fight loyally for the elite, whether they are mercenaries or special forces... but as in Libya, they will eventually be outnumbered. And the mercenaries will be the most despised. I hear that in Libya when the opposition captures mercenaries working for Qadaffi, they are summarily executed.
The Corporate Media was trumpeting inspiring video last week of an incident where a couple Lybians fought off a mob of protesters about to beat a merc to death. Nice spirit, I thought, but summary execution seems appropriate to me.
As per usual, a black swan event will set it off....maybe a US state running wanting to go their own way, or some small country dumping the us dollar for a gold standard
One aspect of the psychology of the powers that lead this - bankstas, chairsatans, or whatever - is the overwhelming need for two things: control, and absence of accountability/responsibility. It is arguable the latter is less important, except for the fact they prefer trickery and manipulation as a means to feed their egos. People are, in the words of one author, "pawns, patrons, or puppets," to which one might add "useless" as well. Normal people are most certainly NOT, in their eyes, human beings worthy of consideration. All who are considered useless or a potential source of difficulty will be eliminated.
This leads me to assume there is a significant difference between the diminishing of the British Empire and the oncoming wings of this particular hereafter, namely the extreme level of public corruption in the US. One aspect of globalization is the perception on the part of a significant percentage of TPTB of a lack of possible accountability, especially the possibility of being directly and adversely affected by their own actions.
To this end great subtlety is not a requirement. Once TPTB feel the pieces are in place, things may well happen very rapidly. I would therefore expect a fale-flag operation, whether a Gulf of Tonkin or something much larger and closer to home to justify a declaration of martial law. Another effect, useful from the point of TPTB, is the shock effect scaring the vast majority into WANTING to be slaves. It satisfies both their desire to control and the desire to trick people into accepting the control regardless of the consequences.
There are two other implications arising from this psychology. First, any effective resistance or effective revelation of the trickery involved will cause them to act with a cold, calculated anger most people cannot imagine. Second, these people in power is an almost literal equivalent of handing atom bombs to cave men. For all their intelligence, it is the pride in their intelligence that will prove most devastating, to them as well as the rest of us.
Under such leadership, it isn't just the police and army and Xe mercenaries who will be firing. Almost as deadly will be the army of informers, people who will turn others in for any reason, or no reason. It is said by some, for example, the vast majority of Gestapo work involved culling the mass of information from civilian informants who knowingly sent people to the camps for such high minded reasons as eliminating love rivals and getting rid of unwanted business partners.
For those who think this is impossible because of the breadth of necessary participation, I think you could pull this off with 10 people in the right places. Remember, it is not just civilians that follow orders like sheep.
This will be ugly.
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here is what you want to pay attention to....the suddend construction of pyschiatric facilities by the state.
with no notice, no publicity, this is happening in texas. and if here, elsewhere.
initially, the dissident leaders will be dealt with as they were in the ussr. they will be incarcerated in "mental health" facilities.
the one just secretly constructed in conroe, texas is a 100 bed facility. upon its completion this month, ground has already been broken for a 200 bed expansion.
Interesting. Not surprising either. I will look into this.
I'd say the most surprising part of this process for me is how anti-war I've become in the last few years. It seems increasingly apparent to me that nearly every war we've fought for the past sixty years could have been averted simply by refusing to trade with barbaric Islamic oligarchs (who fund the same international terrorism that keep oil prices on a steady climb upward) and starving out the communists. I'd even go so far as to say that allowing the southern states to secede may have brought about a peaceful end to slavery instead of the bloodiest war in our nation's history.
As for WWII...I'm thinking we might have let Patton deliver Moscow to the Allies like he suggested to end the untrustworthy fucks before they could regroup.
The South did secede. After they seceded, they attacked the Union Army at Fort Sumpter forcing the Union into a war they did not want and were not prepared for. The Confederacy had the upper hand for the first 3 years of the war and got so far north their guns were heard in Washington.
Another really valuable contribution to the ZH discussions.
Thank you CogDis, you are one of my favorite reads.
You've engendered serious, thoughtful responses too.
As to the question, I fully expect some kind of fireworks.
The internet has been boiling with guns and beans fever for years.
IMO, no serious approach to solving our problems can occur until the nation is
cured of it's addiction to the TV.
Until the cable is cut, we're trapped.
I agree with our Founders:
Yes, expect police/troops will fire upon its citizens. How do I know that? Second Amendment.
(CD, I hope that's unambiguous enough.)
By the way, terrific article.
[Read or listen to any person long enough and you eventually begin to detect errors in logical thought and fact...]
Excellent.
[And it would be hopelessly naïve or even terminally ignorant to believe that any high ranking “authority” in America has anyone’s interest first other than their own.]
Excellent.
[After all we have devolved into a banana republic and that’s the way all bananas are eventually peeled.]
Bravo.
[But eight years of rotations through Iraq and Afghanistan have turned the National Guard into something your father wouldn’t recognize.]
Good observation.
[I can’t help but wonder if the UN Security Council will sanction an invasion of America by a “coalition of the willing” when our time comes around? Don’t laugh...]
I'm not laughing.
[And let’s not forget the foreign troops that will be invited to conduct joint exercises on American soil.... Naturally Congress wasn’t consulted and were actually sidestepped entirely.]
Am shaking my head.
[And once TARP was rammed through without significant or sustained resistance, the financial elite knew it was game on and they’d better get it all while the getting was good.]
Agree.
[Facing this ugly self revelation, the ego has no choice but to push every emotional button it can find in a desperate attempt to keep the mind from recognizing that it is partially responsible for its own continuing enslavement.]
Well done.
[...there will be plenty of domestic and foreign entities that will see the coming American domestic strife and unrest as an opportunity to foment violent demonstrations and even armed and violent insurrection.]
Spot on.
[Now consider what your state of mind would be like if all that you’ve experienced was compressed into a few short months or even several weeks. This is what the average Joe is facing at some point in the future.]
Indeed.
Many points on which we agree. However, you and I part ways on American Exceptionalism and respect for law enforcement.
Thank you!
CD, A great, well-written article - I think you should try to get it posted elsewhere as well, even under another nom de plume.
When it comes to suppressing dissent, I think that even a cursory view of American history will bring numerous examples of troops being used to suppress citizen dissent - from the Whiskey Rebellion to Harper's Ferry to the Bonus Marchers and Kent State.
Ultimately, the weakness of TPTB in this country is that for all their avarice and greed, few have the experience, stomach or fortitude to undertake a sustained military campaign against their own people. Very few of our Ivy-educated "globalized" elite have any realistic military experience and it is a real "stretch", in my opinion, to think that when the crunch comes, that they will be able to turn the military/security apparatus to their own ends.
The key to all this is the social background of America's officer corps. The vast majority of America's academy-educated officers come from 3rd or even 4th-generation military families, and most of the rest of the career officer corps are driven strivers from America's middle and lower-middle classes.
In outlook and values, they are worlds apart from Wall Street and Washinton's over-pampered, over-educated scions of wealth.
Thus, what is more likely to happen is that the military/security apparatus, seeing the chaos and disorder and the psychological weakness of our financial and political elites, will simply see an opportunity to replace them via military coup, and earn the gratitude of the people for restoring "justice" and "order" at the same time. If you study the history of "banana republics", this is what usually happens.
And a military coup might not necessarily be a bad thing. The civilian justice system, being thoroughly compromised and corrupted, has failed to bring any of the perpetrators of the Great Fraud to justice. The guilty will now face televised, Nuremberg-style tribunals from whose verdict there will be no appeal. In similar fashion, a military government might simply seize what is left of the national "means of production" thus forcing mass "repatriation" of many hitherto outsourced jobs. The distribution of food, energy and other resources will likewise come under direct military administration.
And foreign debt-holders will negotiate with a new US administration with first-strike nuclear weapons and a newfound willingness to use them. And foreign governments will either go along, or be turned into "glass that glows in the dark".
In return for all this, our new leaders will re-assure a nervous world that following a period of "corrective re-structuring", a new civilian government will be put in place - in about a generation or so....
KrvtKpt. laughing swordfish
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And foreign debt-holders will negotiate with a new US administration with first-strike nuclear weapons and a newfound willingness to use them. And foreign governments will either go along, or be truned into "glass that glows in the dark".
Obviously you have never killed anybody, or had a friend killed in front of you, their head exploding and their brains splatting in your lap in a shower of pink and red slime....bone splinters from their skull pricking your face in a shower of stinking needles. Some of you people who advocate this kind of shit need some lessons on what it is like for the people who have to do it, or suffer the end-product. There is an old saying that kinda applies to a lot of people on this site....the bigger the blade, the bigger the punk.
Aristarchan - I forward things on to my dad from ZH often, and I sent on a link to your posts here. He's Army '68-'70, and I thought you sounded like him. He's not into creating usernames and avatars, so he asked me to post this to you: "You're on the same wavelength as I am (I'm the same way about hunting) and there are several fellow vets I know who feel/think/experienced the same. Especially about some of the Remington Raider/Saigon Commando wannabe types. The disrespect shown by Chimp Bawana to the USMC is typical of people who reap the benefits and endured none of the risk of those who served, regardless of branch or rank" (translation there - I've also sent him some of Chumbawamba's posts, including a beyond-obnoxious revision of the Marine Corps Hymn he posted the other day). Hope you're well, and thank you.
Aristarchan:
I served 21 years in the Navy retiring as a Senior Chief Sonarman, so, no, regrettably I never had someone's head explode in my lap or ever had the opportunity to do that to someone else.
The point I was trying to make was that our elites (like too many of our people) are too soft, spoiled and entitled to fight to keep control.
When it all goes to shit in a "Zimbabwe meets the Weimar Republic" scenario, our leaders will not fight - they'll be looking to take the first G-V out of Dodge.The only members of TPTB who will remain are those too stupid, slow or clueless to escape- and they will not survive.
I'm a pretty peaceable guy for an old chief, but if it comes to it, I have both weaponry and ammunition close at hand, and the training and inclination to use them.
And if for some reason I should falter, be assured Mrs. Swordfish is both a better shot than I am and she hates the banksters even worse...
Hello Swordfish
I too am a former military (1967-71). My contacts in the active duty forces today reveal that the NCO corps and the junior officers (O-1 thru 0-4) will not obey what they see as an unlawful order to fire on US citizens. My dear wife of 43 years is also a better shot than I and we do have the will and the means to resist. We have discussed this at length and we will not go gracefully. My brother served as well back then and he is of like mind. We worked hard to be where we are and no one is going to take it from us by force without a struggle.
GRH
BZ174 to Eagle1... Per ardua ad astra... ;)
I think there are a couple things to consider when trying to determine how bad the violence will get in a particular country. One is how much the established power has to lose. It is interesting to me that Tunisia and Egypt fell relatively violence free. Neither country to my knowledge has significant natural resources. On the other hand, two ME countries with governments willing to use ruthless violence, Libya and Bahrain, do have major sources of wealth in the form of oil resources.
More importantly, and what this essay leaves out, one must consider the extent to which existing ethnic discontinuities may contribute to potential violence. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to expect a higher potential for violence in a given country that is not culturally homogenous. It is telling that Ghaddafi has resorted to using foreign mercenaries to wage war against his people. He probably learned from Egypt that his military would be reluctant to kill their kinsman, but Congoidal goons not so much. In the case of Bahrain, there is the Shia/Sunni strife that we have seen in Iraq and which lends itself very easily to bloodshed.
There are other examples. The USSR crumbled in part because the Soviet army would not kill its own people. I suppose the massacre at Tiananmen Square is a counterexample, but is it? I’m not an expert on China, but I do know there are ethnic divisions within that country, although I don’t know how significant they are.
Now, with this in mind, let’s focus on the USA. Does the established power have a lot to lose? I’d say so.
In addition to that, this once formerly predominately white country has allowed itself to become the dumping ground for the world’s anthropological garbage. Who do you think is more willing to shoot into a crowd of Americans: a white kid from Omaha, or a third world mestizo who joined the Army not because he appreciates America but to fast track his citizenship?
This country is sick because its citizens have turned their collective backs on Nature. But Nature cannot be fooled, and one way or another the natural order will be restored. I think the potential for violence when that occurs is high.
No, the KGB handled that part quite effectively, thank you. One wonders if Homeland Security will fill that role here eventually. So far they seem to be content with groping, sterilization, and general humiliation in the airports.
Read some J.R. Nyquist sometime. He'd tell you that the USSR didn't go anywhere, they just rebranded themselves when it was prudent to do so.
This vid is an example of modern art that life will probably imitate. You have all seen this movie before but now it takes on a different meaning to some i would guess...
The Running Man ( A reality game show ) set in the future where Arnold would not follow the order to fire on the civilians during a food riot. His fellow men took him out and then started shooting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwOOkb-FyU8
on the special edition made after 9/11 the director tells us all about the similarties and a look at the patriot act. very interesting to say the least.
Civilian police are possibly more apt to fire on people than are trained soldiers, if for no other reason then out of sheer panic. State Guardsmen - ala Kent State, fall pretty much in the same vein. However, military people who are just back from combat - although not likely to panic, are possibly prone to firing out of instinct, or when ordered to. I add all these "possiblies" because it is impossible to predict, since it is largely based on the human Psyche, which is a very personal and variable thing. I know that the first time I was shot at, and everyone around me started firing heavily, I did the same, basically from fear, not training. I emptied four full clips of 5.56 ball, and afterward, did not even remember changing the clips out. I have no idea what I hit, if anything. The next time I came under fire, I hunkered down under a mass of tree roots and never pulled the trigger. I just lay there shaking and holding my rifle like a teddy bear. But, time, exposure, and being ridiculed brought out the killer in me. At some point during my first tour, I realized that I did not really like people all that much, and I hated even worse being shot at by the assholes. The mind eventually can become complicit in what it was trained to do....kill. Once that happens, even the most sane of people have passed a Rubicon that can never be forgotten....it can be dealt with, but it stays with you. During my second tour, killing people had become my trade. It no longer bothered me at all. Being reasonably sane, I never on purpose fired on a woman or a child, and never killed animals for shits-and-giggles, somewhere in my Psyche, I was incapable of doing that, even though I was an avid hunter before I went to Vietnam. After Vietnam, I never shot at an animal. I think, somewhere inside my brain, I used animals as a guilt trip.....I gave up killing them to atone for killing people. Ok...enough of this, I guess my point is,trying to predict what a person will do when it comes to killing is a ridiculous exercise. People will do what they will do - when it comes to killing, based on a whole host of things. If I wanted to insure that cops and soldiers would not shoot at me, I would first want to make sure they sympothized and empothized with me, and understood who it is their weapons should be directed at. But, as in most of these type of gigs, they will go with the flow of who is the winner. So, provide them the info to understand and believe in your cause, then make an effort to show them they will loose if they side against you. That is the heart of a revolution.
I can't tell you how much I appreciate your perspective, or your sacrifices. Be well brother.
Thanks....I am just tossing in my experiences over the transom, since I obviously think they are relevant. But, you know, times have changed a lot, and people like me may no longer be relevant. I just hope that our experiences can somehow be taken into account as worth some consideration. Armed violence is something I do not really want to see in this country. I have a granddaughter that I want to see live a charmed life. But, maybe I am just being selfish. I will admit, that I am not sure. Go in peace, bother.
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the scenario you described was played w/ great success not that long ago in germany (WW I&II). it will be played again. why mess with a proven formula?
it is no coincidence that the jews, yet again, were put in very visible positions (gov't, entertainment, finance, etc.) and will be conveniently scapegoated, blamed for the collapse, and then trucked into fema camps for disposal in gas ovens while the puppeteers make off with the loot. It's sickening how bloody stupid and gullible we are.
If a wrong doer is part of a group, that does not mean the whole group is guilty. It is very incumbent that the group come forward to condom the wrong doers. Just follow the money. They that are not part of the money trail are innocent. Those that go with, help and aid, or protect the guilty, are with and one of the guilty. My mother told me, "you go with them, you are caught with them, you will hang with them". I knew who they are, and I still stay away from them. Follow the money.
And if the ZOG is the perp?
the common error is to confuse, in general, jews who didnt take any part in any of the BS w/ zog. ZOG is one thing. Murder of innocent people, regardless of their backgroud, is another. It is extremely unlikely that if jews were "controlling the world", they would make themselves so visible. such an easy target. yet again. repeatedly. The unfortunate reality is such that jews are stupid and easily manipulated by those who are setting them up for this shit. It is the same clique as last time.
funny thing is, stalinist genocides were planned, enabled and committed by intellignetsia that came primarily from the tribe, but that 'holocaust' has never been laid at the feet of any particular culture.
just like now, many of the tribe (along with neo-cons, schofield bible dispensationalists, etc.) enable crime by israel (beyond argument the source of the US ZOG problem), but ask for a decision to either cut the support or take responsibility for the crimes, and you'll get the typical self serving cognitive dissonance. "give us credit for the good, but we disavow anything bad we've done". to their vast credit, plenty of the tribe's orthodoxy rejects israel outright - a simple capacity to criticize that's essentially forbidden in the media here, much more freely permitted in isreal, ironically. why should anyone be surprised at resentment of tribal power...
don't get me wrong, i hold that anyone in the US that supports empire over republic is just as guilty, and just as disconnected; but that doesn't save us from culpability, does it?
what the hell is innocence any more... only facts can say, but instead we have familiar BIG LIES constantly
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
que bono? follow the money.
would you not agree that over at least the last 800 years, 99% of the populace have been continuously raped and ripped off by the top 1%? Of the top 1%, the most visible part are your ZOGs. However, it is the "invisible" part of the top 1% that are the real culprits running and organizing this racket. It is very unfortunate that we, the bottom 99%, are willing to kill each other, many millions of us, in fact, to the pleasure and entertainment of the top 1%. Why are we, the 99%, incapable of taking the top 1% down and erasing their blood lines once for all? Why do we let the shadow elements pick a target for us, typically the jews that never had anything to do with the scam, and we so stupidly obey? From what we know, there is only 10-13 blood lines responsible for making us into debt slaves and servants. Why dont we just simply erase the blood lines of these "families", perhpas 10000 individuals at most and be done with it? Instead of killing each other? THat's what I want to know.
walking into a hall o' mirrors at that level.
even saddam had several body doubles. its the 1% or more that serve those blood lines directly who confuse the issue. that 1% needs to be held accountable just as much, unless at some point they're willing to fully cooperate. i contend its a culture / character issue. its not for nothing that the tribe finds its sense of being persecuted rewarding. history has shown that our special 1% cares for nothing but its own. circle the wagons, etc.
persecuted sycophants of tyrannical parasites they are, but all things pass. in their day, the medici were all powerful.
in principle, i agree, lets go hunting - once the identiy of the vermin can be publicly and believably pronounced. good luck with that.
that's what 2000 yrs of conditioning and abuse does. that tribe has been set up by Vatican, and betrayed by their own so many times, they no longer know any better or different. Talking about Stockholm syndrome. Is there another tribe that would let themselves be betrayed by their own and still defend them? The hofjuden and shtadlans, at Vatican's command, paid for ovens to burn jews, yet the jews continue to defend them - instead of erasing them. WTF?
yeah. good luck with telling anybody here that the Satan himself is prancing around Vatican with a dopey hat on.
har, i thought we decided that the Bernank is Satan?
name just one other victim displaying Stockholm syndrome that has been so richly rewarded by the perps. what you're describing is symbiosis, regardless of how it began.
i still hear the scofield bible bunch blaming the vatican, but that's so inquisition / 5-minutes-ago. not going to get anything but distractions by going all crusader on every Hatfield McCoy thing that ever was...
that would be too much of a compliment for a heeb eating hofjuden ass.
let's not confuse ZOGs, [most likely not jews (crypto-jews?), probably Luciferians] with jews, perhaps your neighbors, that just want to love their kids and enjoy their family.
well, dont let that tickle your nerve and have it your way. Needless to say, only a cock sucking, child molesting pervert could say something like this:
and that goes for all the poope meisters in Vatican. Nothing but a line of perverted, child abusing, satanists bent on controlling the world. There's your NWO. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Boniface_VIII
this fight has been on for a while - if there is such a thing as American Exceptionalism, it because this nation was founded by people who, like us, were willing to state the problem clearly, and form a government based upon principles in opposition. an enjoyable exchange to be sure - some worthy thoughts below. be well.
"It is a cruel thought, that, when we feel ourselves standing on the firmest ground in every respect, the cursed arts of our secret enemies, combining with other causes, should effect, by depreciating our money, what the open arms of a powerful enemy could not."
– Thomas Jefferson
"A man who governs his passions is master of the world. We must either command them, or be enslaved to them. It is better to be a hammer than an anvil."
- St. Dominic
"There will be, in the next generation or so, a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing dictatorship without tears, so to speak, producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them, but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods. And this seems to be the final revolution."
Aldous Huxley, Tavistock Group, California Medical School, 1961
"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001 to the Knesset
A super-state controlled by international bankers and industrialists... acting together to enslave the world... Every effort has been made by the Fed to conceal its powers but the truth is -- the Fed has usurped the government."
Congressman Louis T. McFadden, Former Chairman of the Committee on Banking and Currency
"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries." David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991
"I have two great enemies, the southern army in front of me and the financial institutions, in the rear. Of the two, the one in the rear is the greatest enemy..... I see in the future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of the war." - Abraham Lincoln
"The death of Lincoln was a disaster for Christendom. There was no man in the United States great enough to wear his boots and the bankers went anew to grab the riches. I fear that foreign bankers with their craftiness and tortuous tricks will entirely control the exuberant riches of America and use it to systematically corrupt modern civilization." - Otto von Bismarck, German Chancellor (1815-1898), after Lincoln assassination.
I believe that liberty is the only genuinely valuable thing that men have invented, at least in the field of government, in a thousand years. I believe that it is better to be free than to be not free, even when the former is dangerous and the latter safe. I believe that the finest qualities of man can flourish only in free air – that progress made under the shadow of the policeman's club is false progress, and of no permanent value. I believe that any man who takes the liberty of another into his keeping is bound to become a tyrant, and that any man who yields up his liberty, in however slight the measure, is bound to become a slave. -- H.L. Mencken
I have never been able to conceive how any rational being could propose happiness to himself from the exercise of power over others.
-Thomas Jefferson
Just for you CD, a couple of musical comments from Saint Joe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVYtbL_Webc&feature=related
When Johnny comes marching home again
He's coming by bus or underground
A woman's eye will shed a tear
To see his face so beaten in fear
An' it was just around the corner in the english civil war
It was still at the stage of clubs and fists
When that well-known face got beaten to bits
Your face was blue in the light of the screen
As we watched the speech of an animal scream
The new party army was marching right over our heads
Alright
There you are, ha ha, I told you so
Says everybody that we know
But who hid a radio under the stairs
An' who got caught out on their unawares?
When that new party army came marching right up the stairs
When Johnny comes marching home again
Nobody understands it can happen again
The sun is shining an' the kids are shouting loud
But you gotta know it's shining through a crack in the cloud
And the shadows keep falling when johnny comes marching home
Don't worry though, just watch CNBC and hum "Groovy Times"
The high street shops are boarded up
An' the terrace it is fenced in
See-through shields are walled across
The way that you came in
But there's no need to get excited
As the lorries bring the bacon in
'cos the housewives are all singing
Groovy times are here again
They discovered one black saturday
That mobs don't march they run
So you can excuse the nervous triggerman
Just this once for jumping the gun
As they were picking up the dead
Out of the broken glass
Yes it's number one, the radio said
Groovy times have come to pass!
Jump!
You Fuckers!
So a simple speculative question "will they fire on us?" But this is a question of paramount importance to them - banksters in shorthand for now.
You've got to know that question is at least as important to them as it is to anyone reading this. They depend on continued enforcement of their version of the game, with that enforcement in action at whatever level appropriate to the situation. I recall an old adage 'the first one to loose his temper (or some such) loses'. So if the situation is precipitated violence, its in their interest to appear to have the moral high ground. But I digress...
I have a friend in his early 70's, an ex paratrooper. He served in the early 60's and we all know the challenges from that era. Before his unit was deployed domestically to the South, all the men in his unit were required to submit answers to just this simple question. He replied 'no', after which his unit was deployed, excepting himself and a few other individuals. After comparing notes, they all realized that 'no' was the reason they were still in that barracks undeployed. Again, this was more than 40 years ago.
If anyone thinks this hasn't been studied to death from the upper echelons, they have no idea how military planning or even game theory works. I'm sure the banksters have little probability circles drawn around all kinds of evolving scenario / response sets, but you can be damn sure this particular one has their attention. It is technically possible with game theory and computer modeling to have simulation agents in that computer model, down to an individual level, with the intent of predicting in general and gradually more specifically the general trends of populations, with the goal of eliminating 'surprises' from small groups or even single actors. As Facebooks founder says, privacy is dead. Guess that's what its like to live in an glass sided ant colony.
I was in the Raleigh airport last week and saw IBM trumpeting their computing prowess extending to 'stopping crime before it happens'. I shit you not - they had these posters hanging all around the food court. New normal indeed... anybody else see that IBM ad campaign?
I sent a link from this article to our broadcaster as a must read. I should say article / comments, since this is such an informative discussion. I still go back to something Richard Maybury says in this vein: Stay in their (banksters) faces, laugh at them, and make a friend of every LEO you can. Maybe join the local FD and get in the mix - but if we don't quit jumping while they pull our demo-publican fear-dependance strings, we's lost.
Of course troops will fire on U.S. citizens.
They have done so at least every 50 years since this nation was founded. And...aren't we about due again?
And do keep in mind that one Rothschild quote when asked what he would do if the populace ever rose up against the banks. He replied "I'd hire one half to kill the other half".
Poofter,
He's an example of the SNAKES I was referring to.
His ilk, will be top of the list.
You screwed it up, you cant fix it, your screwing us yet again, therefore you are the problem, not part of the solution.
I used to believe the opposite, but I am increasingly confident that a majority of US military and police could be persuaded to fire on the people and/or violate their rights under a large variety of scenarios. This is a little less likely thanks to the examples in Egypt and the Libyan pilots, but it is still highly probable.
One solution that I like very much is Oath Keepers: http://www.endofinnocence.com/2010/09/oath-keepers.html
Its always nice to write a script where everyone but yourself and those you agree with are idiots, but it only works as long as no one comes along and proves himself intelligent and yet in disagreement. At that point, the whole structure of the argument fails and the web-spinner either admits error (which is something that almost never happens), or resorts to insulting the bearer of logic.
The first incorrect presumption here is that the people running the show actually know what they are doing; that they are working from some master plan. They aren't. They are wealth-besotted pin heads deathly afraid of only one thing - not being rich at some point in the future. They will do all manner of stupid things to defend their position, and may even try a bit of brutality, in to the bargain. But, mostly, the best way to think of them is as headless chickens. Remember, Ben Bernanke is actually considered intelligent among Ruling Class circles; so is President Obama. Anyone who could be easily hoodwinked by such as these is not exactly an Ernst Stavro Blofeld kind of guy.
The second false assumption is that the police and soldiers are some sort of separate species from the rest of the population. That they are brainwashed automatons of the Ruling Class who will just do as they're told. While there are bad cops and bad soldiers, the common run of both cops and soldiers is really rather corny. They believe all that stuff about serving the people and defending the innocent. You won't get them to mow down their fellow citizens unless at least some of those citizens are in arms against them, and are advocating something which appears to be malign. Perhaps it is because a long time ago I was one of them that I believe this, and you are free to discount it...maybe I'm still propagandized, you know? But I am absolutely confident that if anyone ordered the cops and soldiers to start oppressing the American people, they won't do it...or, at least, enough of them will refuse to make oppression impossible.
The final fallacy here is that there is something inevitible about what is happening. That America is in decline and there is no way to reverse it. To be sure, we have royally screwed things up - we bought in to the notion of not having to work hard and save. We blithely accepted that fake money and high debt were ok. But as we chose to be foolish we can also choose to be wise. Decline is a choice, advancement is a choice - we may well choose to keep up the bread and circuses and laugh as we die, but I perceive a shift in American views - at least a plurality of the population understands what has happened and is steeling itself for the difficult measures necessary to correct the errors.
The most important thing anyone can do is to remember that people are people - human nature does not change over time. We Christians assert this (when, I guess, we're not grinding your bones to make our bread) as part of our theological belief that Man is Fallen...that at one time certain in the past we rebelled against God and became the defective, mortal creatures we all know. But we also believe that there is redemption - and that this side of the grave, no one is ever completely lost.
Understanding this, we know that people will mess up. We know that we, as individuals, mess up on a daily basis. We claim no superiority over anyone and, indeed, wonder at times while anyone tolerates our miserable presence. But viewing the world this way we rarely fall in to the trap of thinking we've figured it all out, or thinking that most everyone else is just too stupid to see what we see. And, so, rather than wallow in tales of death and destruction, we seek paths out of the forest of doom...and that path is being blazed, right now.
Mark,
The second false assumption is that the police and soldiers are some sort of separate species from the rest of the population. That they are brainwashed automatons of the Ruling Class who will just do as they're told.
Some are, some are not, where you in N.O., did you see, and hear what was done to the citizens there?.
A lot of LE esp has the attitiude of its US or THEM.Indicative of a separate set of rules and regs.( to a degree I understand,after te dregs of society they deal with 24/7, but after a while all of us are Dregs.).
Has anyone been prosecuted that illegally stole the peoples weapons,(most never returned, and taken at gunpoint?)gave Unconstitutinal orders to do so, and took down HARD a 85# , 80yr old woman, because she showed some 250# goon Squad members an empty revolver, cylinder open, upside down?.
Thank God I was not present, those cops would not have gone home.
The ignorance,and bliss of POWER,given to people who follow orders (illegal ) orders is astounding.
In the LE establishment, I have seen two types, those that truly want to SERVE, and those that are on a POWER trip.(Ego issues from youth).
No in between.
When you are protecting your home,bothering no one, and your treated like the criminal, something is SADLY wrong.
I do not know who taught those Cro-Magnons the Constitution, or the orders they were compelled to obey, and the ones they should not have, but the brutality shown was a disgrace.
They simply did what they were told, no LAW involved.his is the scary part of the Automaton stories.
The importance of your essay is whether it will reach the members of the police and military so they can talk over these questions with their comrades.
It would help if all the people who know members in the services would send them a link to your essay and at least put the idea in their heads now, instead of later, while they can think thru the possible results of carrying out such lethal offenses against the very people they were given the original task to defend.
These questions will not be answered by us. The police and military need to be exposed to these questions now, so they may understand or confront the long term effects on their families, their friends, their neighborhoods, and life as we now know it.
I'm a retired commissioned officer (Medical Corp) and can still even be called back up if the SHTF bad enough. I get a tickle out of this whole excercise because I really don't think you have anything to worry about. I wouldn't fire on fellow Americans and don't know anybody else who would. Real life is a whole lot different than what the left-wing establishment portrays in Hollywood and the rest of the media. Let's just say it's a whole lot more "MASH" than it is Kubrick's "Full Metal Jacket" or "The Deer Hunter."
Also, understand that our military swears an oath to defend the United States Constitution --- not a president, a general, or a politician. That's it. We take it seriously and know exactly what it means. Whoever is in the White House is just another temporary public servant who took the same oath. It's not well taken if the superiors don't adhere to it. No one is under any obligation whatsoever to follow unlawful orders.
Special Forces? I've spent time with many special forces individuals and they are the best of the best. That includes their values, character and integrity. Like the rest of the professional military they virtually all have college degrees, and a much higher % than the average population will earn their masters degrees or higher. They are selected for their intelligence, psychological and emotional stability foremost, and physical attributes second. They were your best friends in high school and they are still willing to die for you even though they have never met you.
We're very fortunate to have the military that we do. As an institution, they have far more integrity and stability than our pathetic financial institutions and the political class. The newly elected politicians across the country lean towards being Constitutionalists and that is a good sign. It's hardly extreme, as the leftists like to portray. It's the foundation of law we have all already agreed to live by in civil society but the politican class had gotten away from.
The lefties see the Constitution as an obstacle instead of a road map for civil society. The Weather Underground killed far more innocent people calculating to foment a marxist revolution in the 1960's than the shakey National Guardsmen draftees ever did fumbling around trying to deal with anti-war protesters at Kent State OH.
Thank you for your response. When we see the evidence of our executive, legislative, and judicial branches ignoring the constitution and failing to prosecute the big criminals in our society who think they are above the law, it is natural to wonder how much they have an influence over those who try to enforce the laws or physically defend the system. The reason is that your salaries ultimately are paid for by the citizens, but determined thru the governments. Thus we wonder to what extent the system has affected the judgments of those assigned to defend them, when your jobs, salaries, and benefits are directly affected by politicians that are corruptible. Plus your own security while on duty.
There are some of us who wonder whether the military duties should involve getting into conflicts half way around the world, while the lack of enforcement of our Constitution onshore seems to be a far more immediate threat to Americans.
"Also, understand that our military swears an oath to defend the United States Constitution --- not a president, a general, or a politician."
This is something foreign posters and left wingers have never been able to wrap their heads around. It can't be the oath part...so it must be something else.
Riddles...mysteries...enigmas...etc.