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Engineers Request Permission to Speak Freely Regarding World Trade Building 7

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Preface: This essay does not question whether Bin Laden and Al Qaeda attacked us on September 11, 2001, or whether Iran, Saudi Arabia or another nation-state had a hand in the attacks. It focuses solely on a peripheral issue regarding the third building which fell on that terrible day.

Former commander-in-chief President Bush said:

Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories.

Indeed, the 9/11 Commission was warned not to probe too deeply. For example, ACLU, FireDogLake's Marcy Wheeler and RawStory reported (quoting RawStory):

 

Senior
Bush administration officials sternly cautioned the 9/11 Commission
against probing too deeply into the terrorist attacks of September 11,
2001
, according to a document recently obtained by the ACLU.

The current commander-in-chief, Barack Obama, has also warned against questioning 9/11:

 

As anyone in the military knows, you can't give your opinion unless you get first "permission to speak freely".

We're not in the military. However, I am not entirely sure that matters, given that speaking out against government policies may be considered a type of terrorism in America today.

Many hundreds
of high-level military officers, intelligence officers, congressmen,
legal scholars and experts have broken the commander-in-chief's orders
not to question the government's official narrative regarding 9/11. And
see this and this.

But neither Bush nor Obama has instructed us not to discuss World Trade Center Building 7. Indeed, they have never once mentioned the
fact that a third building collapsed on 9/11 (and the 9/11 Commission
never mentioned it either), even though that building was not hit by a
plane.

And no one was killed when Building 7 collapsed. As such,
discussions of why Building 7 fell does not question Al Qaeda's
responsibility for the 3,000 deaths of innocent Americans which occurred
on 9/11. It doesn't even touch on U.S. military affairs since 9/11,
since no wars or anti-terror campaigns were launched to avenge anything
which happened in connection with Building 7.

For these reasons, I
will take the commander-in-chiefs' silence on this subject as
permission to speak freely. And the family members who lost loved ones
on 9/11 want this topic discussed.

Moreover,
if Building 7 collapsed for reasons other than the official
explanation, that does not necessarily show nefarious intent. For
example, Paul K. Trousdale - a structural engineer with decades of
experience - says

:

 

I had always thought the 3rd building was destroyed to prevent unpredictable collapse.

Here It Is

Have you ever seen Building 7 collapse? Here's footage from several different angles:

 

Top Experts Say Official Explanation Makes No Sense

Numerous structural engineers - the people who know the most about
office building vulnerabilities and accidents - say that the official
explanation of why building 7 at the World Trade Center collapsed on
9/11 is "impossible", "defies common logic" and "violates the law of
physics":

 

I
agree the fire did not cause the collapse of the three buildings. The
most realistic cause of the collapse is that the buildings were
imploded

The
collapse of WTC7 looks like it may have been the result of a
controlled demolition. This should have been looked into as part of the
original investigation.

  • Robert F. Marceau, with over 30 years of structural engineering experience:

    From
    videos of the collapse of building 7, the penthouse drops first prior
    to the collapse, and it can be noted that windows, in a vertical
    line, near the location of first interior column line are blown out,
    and reveal smoke from those explosions. This occurs in a vertical line
    in symmetrical fashion an equal distance in toward the center of the
    building from each end. When compared to controlled demolitions, one
    can see the similarities

  • Kamal
    S. Obeid, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering
    from UC Berkeley and 30 years of engineering experience, says:

Photos
of the steel, evidence about how the buildings collapsed, the
unexplainable collapse of WTC 7, evidence of thermite in the debris as
well as several other red flags, are quite troubling indications of well
planned and controlled demolition

 

 

 

  • Steven L. Faseler, structural engineer with over 20 years of experience in the design and construction industry:

    World Trade Center 7 appears to be a controlled demolition. Buildings do not suddenly fall straight down by accident

  • Ronald H. Brookman, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Davis, writes:

Why
would all 110 stories drop straight down to the ground in about 10
seconds, pulverizing the contents into dust and ash - twice. Why would
all 47 stories of WTC 7 fall straight down to the ground in about seven
seconds the same day? It was not struck by any aircraft or engulfed in
any fire. An independent investigation is justified for all three
collapses including the surviving steel samples and the composition of
the dust.

WTC
7 Building could not have collapsed as a result of internal fire and
external debris. NO plane hit this building. This is the only case of a
steel frame building collapsing through fire in the world. The fire on
this building was small & localized therefore what is the cause?

In
my view, the chances of the three buildings collapsing symmetrically
into their own footprint, at freefall speed, by any other means than by
controlled demolition, are so remote that there is no other plausible
explanation!

Near-freefall collapse violates laws of physics. Fire induced
collapse is not consistent with observed collapse mode . . . .

I began having doubts about, so called, official explanations for
the collapse of the WTC towers soon after the explanations surfaced. The
gnawing question that lingers in my mind is: How did the structures
collapse in near symmetrical fashion when the apparent precipitating
causes were asymmetrical loading? The collapses defies common logic from
an elementary structural engineering perspective. “If” you accept the
argument that fire protection covering was damaged to such an extent
that structural members in the vicinity of the aircraft impacts were
exposed to abnormally high temperatures, and “if” you accept the
argument that the temperatures were high enough to weaken the structural
framing, that still does not explain the relatively concentric nature
of the failures.

Neither of the official precipitating sources
for the collapses, namely the burning aircraft, were centered within the
floor plan of either tower; both aircraft were off-center when they
finally came to rest within the respective buildings. This means that,
given the foregoing assumptions, heating and weakening of the structural
framing would have been constrained to the immediate vicinity of the
burning aircraft. Heat transmission (diffusion) through the steel
members would have been irregular owing to differing sizes of the
individual members; and, the temperature in the members would have
dropped off precipitously the further away the steel was from the
flames—just as the handle on a frying pan doesn't get hot at the same
rate as the pan on the burner of the stove. These factors would have
resulted in the structural framing furthest from the flames remaining
intact and possessing its full structural integrity, i.e., strength and
stiffness.

Structural steel is highly ductile, when subjected to
compression and bending it buckles and bends long before reaching its
tensile or shear capacity. Under the given assumptions, “if” the
structure in the vicinity of either burning aircraft started to weaken,
the superstructure above would begin to lean in the direction of the
burning side. The opposite, intact, side of the building would resist
toppling until the ultimate capacity of the structure was reached, at
which point, a weak-link failure would undoubtedly occur. Nevertheless,
the ultimate failure mode would have been a toppling of the upper
floors to one side—much like the topping of a tall redwood tree—not a
concentric, vertical collapse.

For this reason alone, I rejected
the official explanation for the collapse of the WTC towers out of
hand. Subsequent evidence supporting controlled, explosive demolition
of the two buildings are more in keeping with the observed collapse
modalities and only serve to validate my initial misgivings as to the
causes for the structural failures.

We
design and analyze buildings for the overturning stability to resist
the lateral loads with the combination of the gravity loads. Any tall
structure failure mode would be a fall over to its side. It is
impossible that heavy steel columns could collapse at the fraction of
the second within each story and subsequently at each floor below.

We
do not know the phenomenon of the high rise building to disintegrate
internally faster than the free fall of the debris coming down from the
top.

The engineering science and the law of physics simply
doesn't know such possibility. Only very sophisticated controlled
demolition can achieve such result, eliminating the natural dampening
effect of the structural framing huge mass that should normally stop the
partial collapse. The pancake theory is a fallacy, telling us that
more and more energy would be generated to accelerate the collapse.
Where would such energy would be coming from?

 

Fire
and impact were insignificant in all three buildings. Impossible for
the three to collapse at free-fall speed. Laws of physics were not
suspended on 9/11, unless proven otherwise.

The symmetrical "collapse" due to asymmetrical damage is at odds with the principles of structural mechanics

It
is virtually impossible for WTC building 7 to collapse as it did with
the influence of sporadic fires. This collapse HAD to be planned

  • James Milton Bruner,
    Major, U.S. Air Force, instructor and assistant professor in the
    Deptartment of Engineering Mechanics & Materials, USAF Academy, and
    a technical writer and editor, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

 

It
is very suspicious that fire brought down Building 7 yet the Madrid
hotel fire was still standing after 24 hours of fire. This is very
suspicious to me because I design buildings for a living

  • David Anthony Dorau,
    practicing structural engineer with 18 years' experience in the
    inspection and design of buildings under 5 stories tall, who worked as a
    policy analyst for the Office of Technology Assessment, an arm of the
    U.S. Congress providing independent research and reports on
    technological matters
  • Jonathan Smolens, 11 years experience, with a specialty in forensic engineering

The above is just a sample. Many other structural engineers have questioned the collapse of Building 7, as have numerous experts in other disciplines, including:

 

  • Harry
    G. Robinson, III - Professor and Dean Emeritus, School of
    Architecture and Design, Howard University. Past President of two
    major national architectural organizations - National Architectural
    Accrediting Board, 1996, and National Council of Architectural
    Registration Boards, 1992. In 2003 he was awarded the highest honor
    bestowed by the Washington Chapter of the American Institute of
    Architects, the Centennial Medal. In 2004 he was awarded the
    District of Columbia Council of Engineering and Architecture Societies
    Architect of the Year award. Principal, TRG Consulting Global /
    Architecture, Urban Design, Planning, Project Strategies.
    Veteran U.S. Army, awarded the Bronze Star for bravery and the Purple
    Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam - says:

The
collapse was too symmetrical to have been eccentrically generated.
The destruction was symmetrically initiated to cause the buildings to
implode as they did.

Again,
this essay is not questioning whether or not Al Qaeda carried out the
9/11 attacks, or even the collapse of the Twin Towers.

It is simply questioning why a third building which was never hit by a plane collapsed on 9/11.

 

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Sun, 05/22/2011 - 07:08 | 1299761 Blue Coast
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Imagine that you were a terrorist and wanted to kill the maximum number of Americans and cause the most damage to their financial system.  You are that terrorist and this 9/11 attack is going to be your grand finale.  It's going to take money and years of planning and coordination.  You may even have to explain and justify your plan to other people you respect to get personnel and financing.  You want to do it right.  Some important questions come up and you need to arrive at an answer.  

1.  Do you have the planes impact the buildings at 8:46 am and 9:03 am before 100% of the employees of the building arrive for work - or do you plan to have the planes impact an hour or so later?  

2.  Do you plan to have the planes impact the buildings before all of the U.S. financial markets are open - or after? 

Sat, 05/21/2011 - 11:38 | 1298162 blindman
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it is a responsibility to speak your mind freely
not a privilege that is granted. engineers
of all people should know that. any that don't
aren't really engineers, they are childish clowns.

Sat, 05/21/2011 - 00:04 | 1296733 tip e. canoe
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thanks for stirring the pot Gdub.   sorry we veered off course.  guess we need more flying lessons.   juicy morsels were offered though, no?

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 15:14 | 1296464 Lady Heather...UNCLE
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Cutting to the chase:  the 3 buildings did not collapse due to Al Queda. Anyone who thinks otherwise is plain delusional

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 08:41 | 1295009 whoopsing
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Bring just a regular joe working in construction in Nyc,I was horrified to witness the event's on 9/11 from afar. I could'nt get my lazy ass out of bed that tues morning to make the trip to the city. finally getting up after way over sleeping,I pop on the TV around 9:00 to see what's going on, I saw the same thing everybody else saw,all I wanted to do was to get down there to help,hoping to save someone,anyone. Everything was locked down,could'nt get down there.Standing in front of the Javit's center on the 13th (which was an assembly area for volunteer's at the time) I was standing away from the main grouping of guy's wanting to help,a guy with a clipboard come's up to me a say's "ya wanna help? "-yes I do-"well get on the bus" . Down the west side highway we go, dropped off and walking it for the last eight block's or so ended up in front of the American Express building on west st. directly across from #6. Temporary morgue set up in the AE building, we were tasked with clearing a a wider area on west street for staging. This area ended up being just south of where GWB stood on that firetruck the next day.Anyway the place was a total mess,for anyone to say that those building's fell into their footprint's is incorrect.There were beam's jutting out of the AE building which is about 400 ft away from the tower's,the wintergarden which is a glass enclosed space next to the AE building was totally smashed by debris,hole's were punched right through the west side highway where you could'nt see the bottom,it's all interconnected down there and the fire's burning below would alternately puff out black smoke and suck in air like some giant monster.There were no rescue's that day,nor would there ever be another rescue there.Everything that was not steel was pulverized.I could see the steel of #7 hunched over toward's the main complex like a giant arch,not a heap but an arch as if the leg's had been kicked out on one side,this is what I saw. I cannot explain the video's of 7 falling straight down,but I know what I saw of the aftermath.Another observation that still confuses me to this day; The outer column's of WTC were essentially tube-steel stacked on top of one another. For the connection's,the tube's were capped at each end with a plate welded to the end with a hole to accept a bolt to bolt them together.These column's were strewn everywhere like so many stick's in the game pick up stick's. One of these that I saw had a bolt thru it that had it's thread's totally rusted,no nut! NO NUT!!! Let me say that again- No fucking NUT!!! No evidence of a nut,because there was never a nut there,this connection relied solely on gravity only,no mechanical connection at all!! I saw only one of these,I also saw one's with snapped bolt's-meaning a correctly made-up joint,but not this one. How many other's like this? Who know's. Just a bolt dropped into a hole,signed off and away we go. Yes,thing's that make you go HMMMM

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 10:32 | 1295302 maximin thrax
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Well, you've hit upon what could be the real conspiracy, which was to destroy evidence of the degredation of the connections between the 70' floor joists and the exterior column plates mentioned earlier in this thread. Somebody might have realized that if enough people saw what you saw then questions may have arisen as to the possibility that at least the South Tower might have remained standing if the floors had remained connected to the exterior structure. There is a photograph of the edge of a drooping floor visible through windows, demonstrating those connections failed at least in one place prior to the collapse. Such a cover-up might explain alot of the subsequent activities people find suspicious about the whole incident.

Sun, 05/22/2011 - 07:12 | 1294957 Blue Coast
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<edited, see below>

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 06:23 | 1294877 BlackholeDivestment
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U.N. Blue

World Trade Center 7 too

Z Big New Emergency

End of QE2  

Time for the next ruse

C I L L, kill my land-lord

...kill my land-lord

Mr. Robinson KNOW WHAT YOU DO!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wZ3ZG_Wams

 

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 07:41 | 1294926 WhOracle
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linkie no workie

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 19:21 | 1296988 Orly
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I'm Gumby, dammit!

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 05:46 | 1294853 Problem Is
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Hey... building 7 was a bank shot... just like pinball...

It was meant to be right in front of you...

It was meant to be in your face...

It was meant to be an outrageous bullshit story...

It was meant to be flaunted at your impotence...

It was meant to be a psyops operation to demoralize you...

It was meant to make you take Homeland Insecurity...

It was meant to make you take torcher and like it...

It was meant to make you take the TSA...

It was meant to set you up to take the Wall Street looting to come like a sheeple bitch...

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 06:01 | 1294851 gary3340
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"Boeking to build new 757 jets out of human corpses"

"after carefully studying the event of the 757 jet that hit the Pentagon on 9-11,we have determined that dead human corpses are stronger than any metal we are currently using to build jets..

we learned on 9-11 that the 757 that smashed into the Pentagon was"vaporized" from the incredibly intense heat,while 184 of the 189 passengers bodies from the jet were positively identified from DNA samples

which shows human flesh and bones to be stronger than titanium or aluminum

as the titanium engines,the aluminum tail, wings,and  fuselage were all vaporized..

 we at Boeking have concluded it only makes sense from a financial perspective to start building our jets out of dead human beings because now we know human flesh IS stronger than steel and the 9-11 official Pentagon crash story proves it..

 Just as the many concrete,set in stone laws of physics and structural building science,[some literally thousands of years old] were all disproved on 9-11-2001..

9-11..what a day for science and physics..nearly all Einstein and Newton's laws of science and physics were disproved on 9-11 [according to the official 9-11 commission report] plus 3 steel framed buildings collapsed at free-fall speed from fire as the steel and concrete that were used to build the 2 WTC towers were pulverized into fine dust on the way down,

 for the first and only time in history 3 steel framed buildings collapsed from fire and human flesh outlasted steel....

 

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 21:21 | 1297226 tip e. canoe
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p.s. as an extra precautionary measure, we will be constructing our black boxes using a state-of-the-art woven textile made from Saudi passports.

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 04:40 | 1294824 silberblick
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Click below to watch YouTube's Harisebon7777777 short videos. He should be commended for his work on measuring the radiation levels in Tokyo. The device he uses costs about $1000, which I am sure he has paid out of his own pocket to provide us with the truth of what is really going on in Japan.

It is eerie to watch his videos. Typically, his hand is shown holding a geiger counter in some public place with people walking all around him as if there was nothing of importance going on; while all along, the geiger counter in his hand reveals what is really happening. Harisebon is documenting the slow irradiation of the Japanese archipelago. A visual unfolding of a tragedy.

While watching these videos. it is hard not to wonder how many of the folks one sees walking down the street will come down with cancer in 10, 20 or 30 years. In fact, the videographer's life itself is in peril. Poignant.

Go to Harisebon's YouTube channel and give him a shout-out. He deserves it.

http://fukushimadisaster.blogspot.com/2011/05/radiation-harajiku-omotesa...

Next, click below to read about the Orwellian steps taken by the Japanese government to hide from the foreign press (and its citizens) what is really going on in Fukushima:

http://fukushimadisaster.blogspot.com/2011/05/japanese-government-takes-...

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 04:49 | 1294816 acrabbe
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All of you truth-seers, you are wasting your time trying to convince these other guys/gals that the official explanation for 9/11 was, in fact, the real conspiracy theory. What you actually need to spend the majority of your time doing is coming to grips with the fact that you are one of a small percentage of people on this planet who are aware of the gravity of global events currently taking place.

You will never convince-by-force-or-power-of-argument another nerd/academic/self-touted "smart" person that they have got it all wrong. Won't happen. Even if you semantically overpower their logic, their ego will not allow their conscious mind to absorb that their perception of reality is false, because that would initiate something akin to a mini-nervous breakdown and cause them to sequentially question long-held norms and beliefs that their entire life has been based upon. Look at the broad public reaction to the bin-laden kill announcement. Unreal! That man has been dead for years. Bhutto leaked this information in Nov 2007 during an al-jazeera interview just prior to her probable ascension to the role of President of Pakistan (nuclear armed, 6th most populous nation). She also named bin laden's killer and pointed towards A.Q.Khan's involvement with ISI/Mi6. She was assassinated a month later.

By arguing with others you are just going through the motions of still coming to grips with the information you already knkow to be true. a.k.a Shock. You are in shock. You think The Matrix was just another movie, even with all of its allegorical connections to our reality? If The Matrix came out in 1999, then why was the expiration date on Neo's license September 11, 2001? Yeah, google it. Or better yet, go back and find the scene on your dvd/blu-ray/mpeg... Just another coincidence? That's the years of brainwashing and neuro-linguistic programming talking.

Think about it. There's alot we don't know about our environment and the nature of our existence, but these clues that pop out at us every so often are gifts that should not be squandered or ignored. When you recognize a glitch in the matrix it means that you are truly a compassionate and critical thinker. But it takes courage to really begin to travel down that road in which you realize that alot of the foundations of your  own individual personal moral/ethical code may be false or complete bullshit. Many are quick to label religions as false, yet still cling to their own closely held sterotypes about other races, places, etc.

I don't want this to become a Cognitive Dissonance type of post, although his recent essay is, in my opinion, a would-be draft of a chapter within a larger tome written to guide the layman through the process of beginning to control and eventually conquer his mind and move on to his soul and spirit. It was only a few years ago that I came to know that the mind and ego are the literal walls of the prison that control all of us via the 6 senses (5 + mind) - the ego being a facet of the mind, but a total illusion tied to the physical body. Your ego dies with your body...

I digress. Basically, this 9/11 fiasco is part of a larger more long term event. It was a few years after the actual attacks that I began to question and investigate the story. But only recently have I come across some information regarding the deep events surrounding that day. This is not inside info, it's not top secret or classified. But as someone with a strong finance background and having been trained at some of the top financial institutions in the world, I can vouch for the rigor and credibility of the analysis and arguments presented within this report in regards to the financial connections to 9/11. The issue of put options on airlines only scratches the surface. There were far larger financial fish to fry, as hinted by Rumsfeld the fvcking day before 9/11 when he revealed the missing defense funds to the tune of $2.3 Trillion dollars.

Sometimes, big events like 9/11, Madoff, the official announcement of bin laden's capture/killing, etc only occur because the risk of the truth concerning the real activities getting out into the public reaches a level that prompts the puppeteers to act. Period. We only hear about or see these major events because they have been brought to the surface by TPTB out of necessity, colored by their heavy and overpowering bias and manipulation. Better we collectively come to grips with our true situation than continue to delude ourselves. We're like a 1700's Southern slave feeling he is blessed because his master has allowed him to bandage his wounds from the recent whipping, rather than his masters usual custom of leaving the wounds to bleed out, or even rubbing salt into them as he might if he's feeling ornery after raping the slaves' wife/sister/daughter... what a blessing

Anyway. The more perceptive amongst you may actually download and read this document. Even as a deeply cynical and open-minded person at the time I first read this report, already understanding that 9/11 was "an inside job" I was still stunned by what I read. It's 60 pages long, but the meaty stuff (financial disclosures) is about 10 pages of material.

Don't be fooled by the title. See into the looking glass and taste the candy coating on the red pill. I crack myself up...

http://www.scribd.com/doc/55864493/Unicorns-and-Glitter

 

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 22:56 | 1297416 Bringin It
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Pretty much spot on, except that ... 

I was helped along the way by others.  I have a responsibility to shout out to those on the cusp of breaking through.

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 07:37 | 1294920 WhOracle
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spot on

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 03:43 | 1294807 reinhardt
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informative thread

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Fri, 05/20/2011 - 02:52 | 1294786 tony bonn
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we live in a terrorist police state where questioning official propaganda is verboten....the commissioner-bitch of the 9/11 commission told jesse ventura on camera that the role of the commission "is not to uncover the truth but to uphold the institution..." whatever institution that may be...

to not call in architects and engineers to openly discuss wtc-7 is criminally negligent....but then again, who wants to discuss why a controlled demolition with nano-thermite of a building whose leading director was neil bush happened in that building? i do.

only a living fucktard could not see that the collapse was a controlled demolition....

to understand why the bush crime syndicate was initimately involved in this terrorism, one should read john j loftus' accounts of how prescott bush was asshole deep with fritz thyssen in funding nazi germany through union bank and brown brothers harriman....it's there for anyone who wants to know the truth....

http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/new_world_order/bush_nazis.html

but then again most people would deny that osama bin laden was fucking george bush even with a smoking gun video certified by factsonfile or the same fraudsters who certified obama's fake birth certificate.

www.obamacrimes.com

instead of uncovering the truth, the pom-pom boys and girls will neigh and bray about america's perpetual virginity of goodness....the problem is that america has been posessed by the plutocrats - the rockefellers, harrimans, dulles, bundys, thyssens, buffets, soroses, and untold other scum who rule the world and these people are out for blood and conquest...

 

 

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 02:51 | 1294784 brechindo
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Clearly the hijacked flight 93 that was downed, was supposed to hit WTC7 to cover for the 3rd secret demolition.  When it failed to arrive, WTC7 had to be demolished in plain sight because it was already rigged up.  Amazingly, they actually just whitewashed the elephant in the living room and got away with it.  A new all-time low for Boobus Americanus.

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 02:17 | 1294755 vainamoinen
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Just for kicks check out the movie "Man on a Wire" sometime. Some kids from France (with a high level of intention), with the help of some locals, snuck into the WTC Towers just as they were being finished and managed to get a cable from one roof top to the other so their buddy could do a high wire act between the towers.

Nah - that's impossible - a bunch of amateurs on a lark - just couldn't happen.

but "How dey do dat? - - - dey can't do dat - - - dat's implosskible!!!

Check out the movie for a real laugh - - - Yes - dey can do dat!!!

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 01:49 | 1294720 numbers
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Oh, I forgot to mention. Of all the fucked up conspiracy crap on this site, SkepticCarl has nailed it. You couldn't keep a conspiracy to blow up the WTC under wraps for 10 minutes, much less 10 years.

With all the planning that went into Watergate, and the relatively few people involved, compared to what it would take to bring down the WTC, it took less than 48 hours for some of those involved to start singing like a canary.

Anyone who thinks a conspiracy regarding the WTC could be kept a secret for 10 years knows absolutely zero about human nature. Not possible.

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 02:54 | 1294788 Bringin It
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More on the 9/11 put options.  All you financial geniuses out there ought to be able to realize that someone acted with fore-knowledge.

And the government doesn't want you to know who it was.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/sec-government-destroyed-documents-rega...

Sat, 05/21/2011 - 02:08 | 1297734 DaveyJones
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another one of those strong pieces of circumstantial evidence. So many in so many places

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 02:10 | 1294739 Orly
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Not only that but have you considered that Nixon had out-lived his usefulness and had to be eliminated in one way or another?  He didn't have a propensity for forced sex with Haitian maids with HIV but he had a penchant for secrecy.

He was led to believe that the Democrats had evidence of his involvement with the Kennedy assassination (they didn't...) and he had his boys make a beeline for the supposed info.

Who else would know that and could make a believable threat to Nixon in regard to certain sensitive matters?

I bet it is the same guy who set Nixon up.  But who?  I bet I could tell you...

"There is evidence suggesting a connection between Poppy (George HW) Bush and (John) Dean. Records show that Bush actually called the then-obscure Dean from his UN office in New York during the earliest days of these events. Why would the UN ambassador be speaking to a White House counsel?"

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2008/Watergate_and_Future_News_for_2009_1222.html

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 03:06 | 1294794 Bringin It
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Orly - you asked earlier why otherwise intelligent people refuse to acknowledge the obvious flaws in the goverment's story.  My answer has to do with the people's identity-self.

When fragile people are faced with truth that challenges their foundational beliefs, they ignore/ shutdown their perceptions.  Otherwise, if not careful, they risk falling apart, ie. having a breakdown.  I too used to find this behavior, to try to negate the obvious, frustrating.  Then I realized it's part of a herd mentality that some folks find safety in.  The sad truth for these folks, too fearful to confront the facts is that this time, in this day and age, milling with the herd and ignoring challenging developments may not be the path to safety.

Great posts today Orly.

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 08:50 | 1295035 Orly
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Thanks.  It seems you're keeping up the fight for truth for your friends.  I'm just trying to help.  Never give up.

:D

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 01:57 | 1294729 George Washington
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Manhattan Project was kept secret.

False flags throughout history were largely kept secret, at least at the time.

The Office of War Plans at the Pentagon stovepiped fake intelligence about Iraqi WMDs up to the White House - this was kept secret for years.

In fact, MANY operations have been kept secret for a long time...

Your statement is contradicted by history...

 

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 01:26 | 1294694 numbers
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Of all the nonsensical, bullshit conspiracy theories that have floated around over the last 10 years about 9/11 being an "inside job", and this is yet another piece of nonsensical bullshit from GW, I have yet to hear anything close to a plausible motive.

So all you conspiracy loons out there........ the motive for the CIA/FBI/military-industrial complex/George Bush/pick your favorite enemy, destroying the WTC was?????

Sat, 05/21/2011 - 20:17 | 1299177 blindman
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money

Sat, 05/21/2011 - 02:05 | 1297732 DaveyJones
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you're kidding. look up the phrase "a new pearl harbor" and get back. Then do a little homework on peak oil and Iraq as one of the last untapped large sources of easy access crude. Tell us why the 1000 page patriot act was ready to go days after

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 02:11 | 1294741 Millivanilli
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Speak to the engineering and physics.   If you can't then, shut up.

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 02:00 | 1294732 Orly
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Maybe you'll understand the motive when all your rights are taken away once and for all.  Maybe you'll get it when you've been shackled to an overhead rail while sitting on a bench headed for the FEMA camp to a ditch-digging school.

Now, I'm not saying that this FEMA camp stuff is for real, as I have checked into it and not a lot of it pans out...

But given the fact that we have to wonder whether this is even conceivable in the United States means that they are winning.

____________

This conspiracy loon says that the CIA (FBI is for wimps...)/military complex is using these events to impose strict surveillance on American citizens, start unfounded wars half the world away in (my new favorite word of the day...) Pipelinestan, bring down the Chinese economy and last, but not least, to thumb their noses at the Russians.

They wanna have control.

Luckily for you, though, you don't appear to be on the red list.

:D

P.S. If you consider that GW is the only one staying on top of the Gulf oil spill disaster and what is really going on at the Fukushima nuclear power plant to be "nonsensical bullshit," then I feel sorry for you.

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 01:20 | 1294672 George Washington
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For those who say how could anyone plant explosives in a busy building 7 ...

 

Tightrope walker Philippe Petit snuck into the World Trade Center with a friend in 1974 with massive amounts of equipment, smuggled the equipment to the top floor and rigged up a highwire for his tightrope walking stunt without being detected.

As Raw Story notes:

A Government Accountability Office investigator smuggled live bomb components into a federal building in just 27 seconds, then assembled a bomb in a restroom and ventured throughout the building without being detected, a leaked tape revealed Wednesday.

 

In addition, congressional investigators were able to penetrate every single federal building they probed without any difficulty — 10 in all.

And see this.

There is substantial additional evidence that bombs could have been planted in the World Trade Center without anyone knowing:

The chief electrical engineer who wired the World Trade Centers (Richard Humenn) says that people working on the elevators could have planted explosives:



Mechanical engineer Gordon Ross, in his talk on the destruction of the Twin Towers, pointed out that:

“Those [core] columns which were situated adjacent to and accessible from inside the elevator shafts failed at an early stage of the collapse.

Those columns which were remote from the elevator shafts, and not accessible from the elevator shafts, survived the early stages of the collapse."*

According to USA Today: "On Sept. 11, ACE Elevator of Palisades Park, N.J., had 80 elevator mechanics inside the World Trade Center".

And NIST itself says that, on 9/11, "Elevators 6A and 7A were out of service for modernization". (NIST NCSTAR 1-8, p.97).

In addition, Ace worked in and around structural steel:

A run of approximately 80 vertical feet, employed over 300 running feet of 2-1/2" x 8" and 2"x 2" trough raceway. This run traveled through plaster ceilings, concrete floors and around structural steel.

These are just a few of the known, public examples of opportunities to plant bombs. There were undoubtedly many additional opportunities available to skilled operatives.

Sat, 05/21/2011 - 00:02 | 1297201 tip e. canoe
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Man on Wire is a fantastic film and i don't even like watching movies anymore.   

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 01:21 | 1294689 Seer
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The point being that it's not outlandish at all to think that such operations could happen in plain sight.  Whether it happened may never be fully explored; which, seems to be what your article was trying to convey- that we haven't really been allowed to question what happened.

I wonder what the discussions were like following the Reichtag fire... did the German society block out any discussion that it's own government might have been responsible?

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 00:55 | 1294645 acrabbe
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Steel-reinforced skyscrapers do not collapse on their own footprint and get pulvurized to dust without explosives. Period. Any other explanation is mis- or dis info.

The question as to the motive behind 9/11 events has been tackled by capable minds. Anyone who takes themselves seriously as an "American" owes it to themselves to read this report. For some of the more intellectually infantile among you, this may be a real shock to your system. The red pill may not be easy to swallow after all.

Disclaimer: I did not author the below linked report, I have not read the below linked report and should not be held responsible for its contents.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/55864493/Unicorns-and-Glitter

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 01:15 | 1294677 acrabbe
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Do not be fooled by the title of the above linked report. Again, I say - Disclaimer: I did not author that report, I have not read that report and should not be held responsible for its contents.

Thu, 05/19/2011 - 23:55 | 1294556 G. Marx
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Well, this is it. I'll never read another GW article again.

Thu, 05/19/2011 - 22:52 | 1294350 tricky75
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hey mister i know it all, it never occurred to you that the building might have been poorly built? in addition to decades of remodeling? and an office fire? and no fire extinguisher because or lack of power? but I guess your your 10 years of studying the case and phd in structural engineering are saving the day here...

 

Thu, 05/19/2011 - 23:36 | 1294485 Seer
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You're losing that argument with Issac Newton...

Doesn't matter how poorly constructed they were, they'd STILL be subject to the laws of physics, to the law of gravity!  If they were so poorly constructed such that they'd free-fall when hit then I'd have to figure that they'd long ago succumbed to gravity.

Further, do you think that MAYBE, just MAYBE there would be folks out there doing shittier work, such that we'd have had a SINGLE instance of such a failure prior to 9/11?

Thu, 05/19/2011 - 23:04 | 1294398 Smiddywesson
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Maybe the most powerful cartel in the history of the world, who after the last three years has made it clear they are completely in control of everything, all market, all politics, everything, would somehow decide that they needed to mess it all up by destroying the WTC and somehow squeezing out an additonal 4% return on Middle East wars, while simultaneously killing the golden goose, MAYBE I could get into believeing that, but these bastards have 100 years of history of slowly squeezing countries to get what they want, why wast the effort?  They always win, why waste effort on drama?

Thu, 05/19/2011 - 23:39 | 1294504 Seer
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When a big shift is perceived as being necessary you have BIG events, history tells us so.  And there's always those who believe that things were going along just fine up until that point.

The fact that there are clear lies from the topmost levels of government should make it pretty clear that they're charting new courses.  It's been my belief that TPTB can't present the truth (pre-9/11), so 9/11 was created to shift everyone (just as documented in PNAC).  Look at the lead up to the invasion of Iraq and since, nearly every milestone has been shown to be BS.  I don't think that TPTB want to lie, I think that they HAVE to lie (else they lose control- imagine being brought up to feel as though you've been picked to continue history and once you're in place you find out that everything is a whisker's edge from collapsing- oh shit, not on my watch!).

Thu, 05/19/2011 - 22:10 | 1294271 tricky75
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"If fire destroyed steel, your gas BBQ grill would be single use only."

 

when I read stuff like that, I feel like ZH has filled up with 10 year olds lately.

Come on, ride the big one.


Thu, 05/19/2011 - 22:43 | 1294305 Bringin It
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More vapid bombing. 

Your gas grill burns hotter than jet fuel which is basically kerosene.  The steel in the BBQ won't melt or fail under a flame at higher temp. than the jet fuel in the towers.  You can get drunk and forget about your running grill and the steel won't fail.  But the steel in the towers failed.  Why?

Here's a clue you can acquire yourself through proper deductive reasoning.  The steel in the towers did not fail due to the jet fuel.

The towers were designed to withstand an airplane impact, just like the much older Empire State building was designed to withstand an airplane impact, which it successfully did when a B-25 bomber struck it in July 1945.

The Crash
At 9:49 a.m., the ten-ton, B-25 bomber smashed into the north side of the Empire State Building. The majority of the plane hit the 79th floor, creating a hole in the building eighteen feet wide and twenty feet high. The plane's high-octane fuel exploded, hurtling flames down the side of the building and inside through hallways and stairwells all the way down to the 75th floor.

Parts of the bomber crashed thru other buildings.  No other buildings "spontaneously" caught fire and collapsed like building #7 did.

One of the engines and part of the landing gear hurtled across the 79th floor, through wall partitions and two fire walls, and out the south wall's windows to fall onto a twelve-story building across 33rd Street.

http://history1900s.about.com/od/1940s/a/empirecrash.htm

No plane hit Bldg. #7.  No jet fuel hit #7 and yet #7 collapsed into it's footprint, just like Towers 1 & 2.

Thu, 05/19/2011 - 23:37 | 1294498 Orly
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I am curious as to why you believe that some people simply refuse to see or believe what is in my opinion irrefutable, logically organised physical facts.

I have worked for many years with firemen/paramedics who literally get riled up when one mentions a possible government conspiracy/complicity.  Their faces get grim, their lips stiffen and their chest swells up when you even mention controlled demolition.

I can sort of understand that they had brethren in the buildings who got literally sandbagged and refuse to believe that their government, who is their employer, could knowingly harm or murder those brave men and women who put their lives on the line every day.  That I can kind of understand.

But lay accountants and bricklayers and office managers refuse to believe the facts as well.

One could say that they have been brainwashed by the media or something of that nature.  Others would argue that they may not have the mental capacity to see it.  I have found that not true in my discussions with many people regarding the events of 9/11.  Most of them are decent, hard-working and fairly intelligent people but they refuse to even consider that what we say may be true.  At least now, though, I am not laughed out of the room like it was on the olden days.  At least now, most of these ideas have gone somewhat mainstream.

I just wonder why otherwise intelligent people refuse to even take it under consideration.

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 03:52 | 1294809 el Gallinazo
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Orly, I too have thought about it extensively. I have people in my extended family who won't even talk to me because I am a "truther." I think the answer is quite simple. Fear engendering denial. If these people actually accepted that the people in charge of their government would kill over 3000 of them in a staged event simply to further their political and economic agendas, then the world becomes too frightening to accept. On an international scale, like the classic movie Gaslight. Nobody wants to wake up to find that their daddy is Hannibal Lecter.

Thu, 05/19/2011 - 23:57 | 1294550 Smiddywesson
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I've considered it, but also examined the work that goes into controlled demolition of even the smallest tenaments.  People continue to believe that a controlled demolition could be staged in one of the world' biggest buildings, while it is occupied.  Enjoy.  You will continue to believe what you will, but don't belive me, study controlled demolitions as fervently as you do tin foil theories and you will find out how very hard it is to drop any building in its tracks, let along one of the biggest in the world.  

YOU ARE NOT GOING TO DO IT.  BET YOU A MILLION BUCKS

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 01:12 | 1294675 Seer
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How hard it is to do is NOT addressing the FACTS.  Neither you or anyone else siding with the government's propaganda can make gravity disapear (that we know of).

Because it would be hard doesn't make it impossible.  Do you not understand the signficance of this event, what the stakes are/were?

There had been lots of construction work going on in these buildings.  As a matter of fact, it's pretty common for construction work to be going on all the time in large buildings.  People get used to this kind of stuff.

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 00:37 | 1294623 Selah
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This is the ONLY reason that I don't believe this 9-11 stuff.

It is all possible, but not plausible that hundreds of office workers had to be unaware of massive "work" being done on these buildings.

These buildings were occupied 24/7 and plenty of people quit or transferred or were fired in the time that it would have taken to rig those buildings. I have yet to hear a story that would suggest that the demolition explosives were set by anything other than magic.

 

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