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Engineers Request Permission to Speak Freely Regarding World Trade Building 7
Preface: This essay does not question whether Bin Laden and Al Qaeda attacked us on September 11, 2001, or whether Iran, Saudi Arabia or another nation-state had a hand in the attacks. It focuses solely on a peripheral issue regarding the third building which fell on that terrible day.
Former commander-in-chief President Bush said:
Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories.
Indeed, the 9/11 Commission was warned not to probe too deeply. For example, ACLU, FireDogLake's Marcy Wheeler and RawStory reported (quoting RawStory):
Senior
Bush administration officials sternly cautioned the 9/11 Commission
against probing too deeply into the terrorist attacks of September 11,
2001, according to a document recently obtained by the ACLU.
The current commander-in-chief, Barack Obama, has also warned against questioning 9/11:
As anyone in the military knows, you can't give your opinion unless you get first "permission to speak freely".
We're not in the military. However, I am not entirely sure that matters, given that speaking out against government policies may be considered a type of terrorism in America today.
Many hundreds
of high-level military officers, intelligence officers, congressmen,
legal scholars and experts have broken the commander-in-chief's orders
not to question the government's official narrative regarding 9/11. And
see this and this.
But neither Bush nor Obama has instructed us not to discuss World Trade Center Building 7. Indeed, they have never once mentioned the
fact that a third building collapsed on 9/11 (and the 9/11 Commission
never mentioned it either), even though that building was not hit by a
plane.
And no one was killed when Building 7 collapsed. As such,
discussions of why Building 7 fell does not question Al Qaeda's
responsibility for the 3,000 deaths of innocent Americans which occurred
on 9/11. It doesn't even touch on U.S. military affairs since 9/11,
since no wars or anti-terror campaigns were launched to avenge anything
which happened in connection with Building 7.
For these reasons, I
will take the commander-in-chiefs' silence on this subject as
permission to speak freely. And the family members who lost loved ones
on 9/11 want this topic discussed.
Moreover,
if Building 7 collapsed for reasons other than the official
explanation, that does not necessarily show nefarious intent. For
example, Paul K. Trousdale - a structural engineer with decades of
experience - says
:
I had always thought the 3rd building was destroyed to prevent unpredictable collapse.
Here It Is
Have you ever seen Building 7 collapse? Here's footage from several different angles:
Top Experts Say Official Explanation Makes No Sense
Numerous structural engineers - the people who know the most about
office building vulnerabilities and accidents - say that the official
explanation of why building 7 at the World Trade Center collapsed on
9/11 is "impossible", "defies common logic" and "violates the law of
physics":
- Two professors of structural engineering at a
prestigious Swiss university (Dr. Joerg Schneider and Dr. Hugo
Bachmann) said that, on 9/11, World Trade Center 7 was brought down by controlled demolition (translation here)
- Alfred Lee Lopez, with 48 years of experience in all types of buildings:
I
agree the fire did not cause the collapse of the three buildings. The
most realistic cause of the collapse is that the buildings were
imploded
- John D. Pryor, with more than 30 years experience:
The
collapse of WTC7 looks like it may have been the result of a
controlled demolition. This should have been looked into as part of the
original investigation.
- Robert F. Marceau, with over 30 years of structural engineering experience:
From
videos of the collapse of building 7, the penthouse drops first prior
to the collapse, and it can be noted that windows, in a vertical
line, near the location of first interior column line are blown out,
and reveal smoke from those explosions. This occurs in a vertical line
in symmetrical fashion an equal distance in toward the center of the
building from each end. When compared to controlled demolitions, one
can see the similarities
- Kamal
S. Obeid, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering
from UC Berkeley and 30 years of engineering experience, says:
Photos
of the steel, evidence about how the buildings collapsed, the
unexplainable collapse of WTC 7, evidence of thermite in the debris as
well as several other red flags, are quite troubling indications of well
planned and controlled demolition
- Steven L. Faseler, structural engineer with over 20 years of experience in the design and construction industry:
World Trade Center 7 appears to be a controlled demolition. Buildings do not suddenly fall straight down by accident
- Ronald H. Brookman, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Davis, writes:
Why
would all 110 stories drop straight down to the ground in about 10
seconds, pulverizing the contents into dust and ash - twice. Why would
all 47 stories of WTC 7 fall straight down to the ground in about seven
seconds the same day? It was not struck by any aircraft or engulfed in
any fire. An independent investigation is justified for all three
collapses including the surviving steel samples and the composition of
the dust.
- Graham John Inman points out:
WTC
7 Building could not have collapsed as a result of internal fire and
external debris. NO plane hit this building. This is the only case of a
steel frame building collapsing through fire in the world. The fire on
this building was small & localized therefore what is the cause?
- Paul W. Mason notes:
In
my view, the chances of the three buildings collapsing symmetrically
into their own footprint, at freefall speed, by any other means than by
controlled demolition, are so remote that there is no other plausible
explanation!
- David Scott says:
Near-freefall collapse violates laws of physics. Fire induced
collapse is not consistent with observed collapse mode . . . .
- Nathan Lomba states:
I began having doubts about, so called, official explanations for
the collapse of the WTC towers soon after the explanations surfaced. The
gnawing question that lingers in my mind is: How did the structures
collapse in near symmetrical fashion when the apparent precipitating
causes were asymmetrical loading? The collapses defies common logic from
an elementary structural engineering perspective. “If” you accept the
argument that fire protection covering was damaged to such an extent
that structural members in the vicinity of the aircraft impacts were
exposed to abnormally high temperatures, and “if” you accept the
argument that the temperatures were high enough to weaken the structural
framing, that still does not explain the relatively concentric nature
of the failures.Neither of the official precipitating sources
for the collapses, namely the burning aircraft, were centered within the
floor plan of either tower; both aircraft were off-center when they
finally came to rest within the respective buildings. This means that,
given the foregoing assumptions, heating and weakening of the structural
framing would have been constrained to the immediate vicinity of the
burning aircraft. Heat transmission (diffusion) through the steel
members would have been irregular owing to differing sizes of the
individual members; and, the temperature in the members would have
dropped off precipitously the further away the steel was from the
flames—just as the handle on a frying pan doesn't get hot at the same
rate as the pan on the burner of the stove. These factors would have
resulted in the structural framing furthest from the flames remaining
intact and possessing its full structural integrity, i.e., strength and
stiffness.Structural steel is highly ductile, when subjected to
compression and bending it buckles and bends long before reaching its
tensile or shear capacity. Under the given assumptions, “if” the
structure in the vicinity of either burning aircraft started to weaken,
the superstructure above would begin to lean in the direction of the
burning side. The opposite, intact, side of the building would resist
toppling until the ultimate capacity of the structure was reached, at
which point, a weak-link failure would undoubtedly occur. Nevertheless,
the ultimate failure mode would have been a toppling of the upper
floors to one side—much like the topping of a tall redwood tree—not a
concentric, vertical collapse.For this reason alone, I rejected
the official explanation for the collapse of the WTC towers out of
hand. Subsequent evidence supporting controlled, explosive demolition
of the two buildings are more in keeping with the observed collapse
modalities and only serve to validate my initial misgivings as to the
causes for the structural failures.
- Edward E. Knesl writes:
We
design and analyze buildings for the overturning stability to resist
the lateral loads with the combination of the gravity loads. Any tall
structure failure mode would be a fall over to its side. It is
impossible that heavy steel columns could collapse at the fraction of
the second within each story and subsequently at each floor below.We
do not know the phenomenon of the high rise building to disintegrate
internally faster than the free fall of the debris coming down from the
top.The engineering science and the law of physics simply
doesn't know such possibility. Only very sophisticated controlled
demolition can achieve such result, eliminating the natural dampening
effect of the structural framing huge mass that should normally stop the
partial collapse. The pancake theory is a fallacy, telling us that
more and more energy would be generated to accelerate the collapse.
Where would such energy would be coming from?
- Antonio Artha,with 15+ years of experience in building design
Fire
and impact were insignificant in all three buildings. Impossible for
the three to collapse at free-fall speed. Laws of physics were not
suspended on 9/11, unless proven otherwise.
The symmetrical "collapse" due to asymmetrical damage is at odds with the principles of structural mechanics
It
is virtually impossible for WTC building 7 to collapse as it did with
the influence of sporadic fires. This collapse HAD to be planned
- Travis McCoy, M.S. in structural engineering
- James Milton Bruner,
Major, U.S. Air Force, instructor and assistant professor in the
Deptartment of Engineering Mechanics & Materials, USAF Academy, and
a technical writer and editor, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
It
is very suspicious that fire brought down Building 7 yet the Madrid
hotel fire was still standing after 24 hours of fire. This is very
suspicious to me because I design buildings for a living
- David Anthony Dorau,
practicing structural engineer with 18 years' experience in the
inspection and design of buildings under 5 stories tall, who worked as a
policy analyst for the Office of Technology Assessment, an arm of the
U.S. Congress providing independent research and reports on
technological matters
- Russell T. Connors, designed many buildings and other types of structures
- Lester Jay Germanio, 20+ years experience
- Daniel Metz, 26+ years experience
- Jonathan Smolens, 11 years experience, with a specialty in forensic engineering
- William Rice, P.E., structural engineer, former professor of Vermont Technical College
The above is just a sample. Many other structural engineers have questioned the collapse of Building 7, as have numerous experts in other disciplines, including:
- The
former head of the Fire Science Division of the
government agency which claims that the World Trade
Centers collapsed due to fire (the National Institute of
Standards and Technology), who is one of the world’s
leading fire science researchers and safety engineers, a Ph.D. in
mechanical engineering (Dr. James Quintiere), called
for an independent review of the World Trade Center
collapse investigation. "I wish that there would be a
peer review of this," he said, referring to the NIST
investigation. "I think all the records that NIST has
assembled should be archived. I would really like to see
someone else take a look at what they've done; both structurally
and from a fire point of view. ... I think the official conclusion that NIST arrived at is questionable.
- A Dutch demolition expert (Danny Jowenko) stated that WTC 7 was imploded
- Harry
G. Robinson, III - Professor and Dean Emeritus, School of
Architecture and Design, Howard University. Past President of two
major national architectural organizations - National Architectural
Accrediting Board, 1996, and National Council of Architectural
Registration Boards, 1992. In 2003 he was awarded the highest honor
bestowed by the Washington Chapter of the American Institute of
Architects, the Centennial Medal. In 2004 he was awarded the
District of Columbia Council of Engineering and Architecture Societies
Architect of the Year award. Principal, TRG Consulting Global /
Architecture, Urban Design, Planning, Project Strategies.
Veteran U.S. Army, awarded the Bronze Star for bravery and the Purple
Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam - says:
The
collapse was too symmetrical to have been eccentrically generated.
The destruction was symmetrically initiated to cause the buildings to
implode as they did.
- A prominent
physicist with 33 years of service for the Naval Research Laboratory in
Washington, DC (Dr. David L. Griscom) said that the official theory
for why Building 7 collapsed "does not match the available facts" and supports the theory that the buildings were brought down by controlled demolition
Again,
this essay is not questioning whether or not Al Qaeda carried out the
9/11 attacks, or even the collapse of the Twin Towers.
It is simply questioning why a third building which was never hit by a plane collapsed on 9/11.
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Re. It is all possible, but not plausible that hundreds of office workers had to be unaware of massive "work" being done on these buildings.
Several people who worked at WTC discuss unprecidented disruptions for "rewiring" in the days preceeding 9/11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHJHAp49Lh8
Wake up and dig a little harder if you are real. The corrupt MSM will not hand you the truth on a silver platter.
A friend of mine happened to be in New York on September 11. He was walking to a meeting when the first plane flew overhead. Being a bit of a nut, his reaction to a co-worker was, "Wow! That guy's a real hot dog! I didn't know you were allowed to fly like that over Manhattan."
By the time he arrived at his destination, the receptionist looked pale. There was a roofdeck and everyone was on it, watching the whole thing. Long before any collapse, an architect there called it. "It's going to collapse." My friend argued, no way, those things are built to withstand yadayadaydad. The architect said yeah, that's how they were built-- thirty years ago. Since then, every time somebody moved onto a floor, they remodeled and remodeled and remodeled, drilling holes in the floors and ceilings till they were "swiss cheese."
That's what he said. That the floors of the building were Swiss Cheese and as soon as one collapsed, everything under it would pancake. There was nothing left to them.
Don't know if that's what happened or not, but my buddy is too guileless to have made up the story. He was impressed the architect had nailed it so early on.
So then, how did the Swiss Cheese fall at near-free-fall speed?
Geez people, focus on the concrete facts! How did buildings manage to do that (given that they were compromised from their upper levels)?
Your vernacular establishes your credibility. And, your account reminded me of so many friends who related what they saw and felt.
A B-17 (?) crashed into the WTC years ago and it was designed to withstand such an attack, but there was no such thing as a 747 when they designed the building, and the chimney effect led to high temps and little or no insulation on the trusses that held the building up.
I'm not an engineer, but our economy is currently suffering from the fact that it became so darn efficient and productive with derivatives, that anything that disrupted the system led to collapse. Maybe a simple thing like a huge jumbo jet capitalized on the fact that the higher the building is, the more things that can collectively go wrong and make everything cascade down into collapse.
You heard a story from your buddy who heard a story from a guy... Nice - that makes all the questions surrounding the collapses dissapear so you can sleep well at night?
Is this the best BS you can come up with?
GW's thread under attack from vapid-bombs.
first question, were any of these "experts" actually there, did they partake in any physical investigation of the site?
didn't think so.
Hey, dumb fuck, watch the video and time the fucking collapse. Pretty simple. Don't need to be an "expert" to understand/witness gravity. Oh, and the collapse itself completely mimics a controlled demolition.
Be stupid. Keep your head stuffed up your ass. Darwin will mop up...
There's none so blind as those who will not see.
The crime scene was swept clean. E.g. They played hide the thermite. All the steel went to China ASAP for recycling.
The crime scene was over a city block wide. Have you ever been there??? I have, hundreds of times. Nobody could wipe a crime scene clean that was this big. Who exactly wiped what boy? Were there federal agents running about, penetrating the Stage Door Deli where I used to eat lunch, or the pet store on West Street where we used to play with the parrots, or the bakery next door where they made the biggest muffins in America, or the post office alongside the WTC, to find evidence of "thermite" and wipe it away with what, white gloves? Do you even know what thermite is? Have you ever used a thermite grenade? What does thermite have to do with a conspiracy about dropping a building this size? Have you ever blown up anything? I have, and I am no expert, but I know enough to laugh at the idea of dropping a skyscrapper with thermite. That's about as credibble as somebody stringing 10 billion party poppers together and using them to drop the WTC. You've clearly never blown up anything but your neighbors outhouse, and although I am not an expert demolitions guy, I have worked with them and you aint one of them.
You are wallowing in too much brains. I know the problem because I learned too much and tried to short the great Fed created bull market of 3/9/2009. Abandon brains at the trading door, they won't make you money. The WTC got destroyed because we are poking our noses into everybody elses business in an ever shrinking world where everything is interconnected. In a world where Pakistan and Iran have the bomb, you might want to consider that the stakes of the poker game are rising exponentially.
smiddy you should give up. your posts are showing that you either don't know much about what happene don that day, or you dont understand it. Thermite would have been used to cut the central treated-steel support beams. This is why those beams were diagonally severed in post-collapse pictures. The actual pulverization of concrete and most matter into dust occurred due to a micro-nuclear reaction that contributed to the majority of the radiation found on the site. The debris was hauled away as quickly as possible for very good reasons. Most of the first responders are dead or dying of cancers.
Your ignorance on this topic is made more shameful by the fact that you keep talking out of your ass. You and all of the ignoramuses who would still obey a master who just raped their sister or daughter. This is why someone purely ignorant of these matters and still defending the murderers is no different from a paid shill or gov/proxy agent.
Yes Kool-aide drinker SmiddyWhatever, just an open-minded guy who believes whatever he's told to. I have been there both before and after.
Well, you can believe that a motly crew of a handful of box-cutter-wielding nuts did this, as that always-truth BIG GOVERNMENT says, but...
"I am no expert, but I know enough to laugh at the idea of dropping a skyscrapper with thermite. That's about as credibble as somebody stringing 10 billion party poppers together and using them to drop the WTC. You've clearly never blown up anything but your neighbors outhouse, and although I am not an expert demolitions guy, I have worked with them and you aint one of them."
You're not an expert, yet you laugh at a given suggestion and then don't say WHY it's false? Should be pretty easy to explain, yes? I'm sure that others, along with myself, would like to hear what you have to say about this. NOTE: I'm only after physic-based facts, everything else is just distraction.
MV^2=MV^2
you now have the physics
The investigation into what could end up being the catalyst to WWIII is a joke... even if the ground failed downtown NY or whatever sucked a 50story building into the heart of the planet
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if NY isnt a safe place to build office space cuz its off limits to science... thats a big deal... I can honestly say the building 7 investigation is a failure... and in fact its just another link in the chain that MAKES US citizens unsafe... as much as the CIA intelligence failure that perpetrated the event in the first place
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blaming illiterate masses 1/2 a world away doesnt cut it in my book seriously... in a million years whos going to care about how much more co-ed the 'west' was... AND we are paying $4 for a gallon of gas
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stooge empire cant shit in the dark
if NY isnt a safe place to build office space cuz its off limits to science... thats a big deal
I like that. NYC off limits to science.
Re. the Building 7 Investigation - there wasn't any. It wasn't even mentioned in the 9/11 Commision report!!!
awesome, ZH has become just another whatreallyhappened, truther, ZOG shithole of the justin riamondo/alex jones kook fringe of fucktards.
yeah it was all an inside job, and the pentavarate was in it with the queen, gettys, rothschilds, and the pope
losers
And WTC7 fell how? That's the fucking question, loser.
Anyone who believes the official story is a troll, a criminal, or a fucktard.
seer:
Or you're Smokey(Jim)Quinn from www.TheBeastilityPlatform.com
Pzzt! There, I just wasted breath too... But, for whatever it's worth, WRONG (as so often seems the case with you, or someone who sounds as stupid as you).
Seer:
Calm Down, Big Guy!
I was responding to your comment...
"Anyone who believes the official story is a troll, a criminal, or a fucktard."
With...
"Or you're Smokey(Jim)Quinn from www.TheBeastilityPlatform.com"
NOT comparing you to that 9-11MORON.
Sorry I ruffled your feathers.
Seer gets feisty. Good guy though.
I am never a troll, seldom a criminal, and clearly a fucktard. Why is credibiltiy relevant? Surely an intellect like you can spot the truth, right? You don't need a fucktard like me to be right...correct?
All I have is logic. When several trillion tons of whatever collapse straight down towards one of the biggest foundations that has ever been built in the history of man, you can expect some crazy physics to occur around the event horizon of that collapse. If that makes me a fucktard, so be it. In response, I label you a witch burner. I have several hundred years of evidence to spot witch burners, you have only the fact that I would dare to disagree with your obvious superiority to ensure that I am a fucktard.
I can ensure you that if it makes me money, I have spent decades embracing being comfortable with anything you want to call me. Otherwise, trade with retail and lose.
Ah... I was responding to the other person... But, windmills and all...
Actually, I don't want to sound like a know it all, but there is NOWHERE in the world where you can find a more fucked up, supercharged, knowledgeable, and think outside of the box crowd, than the weirdos that frequent ZH. Some pople post on ZH to be agreed with. But I think what distinguishes this crowd is a lot of them post so that people will disagree with them and they will learn something. You don't learn anything by following the herd. This site is absolutely out of control. If somebody lied about something, somebody in ZH will see the truth.
That's why I keep coming back time after time. You just can't get this anywhere else.
So you want to know what happened with Building 7?
Building 7 was supposed to be hit after WTC 1&2 came down. However, the plane that was supposed to hit Building 7 crashed in PA. For the next few hours, the appropriate people had to be contacted to determine what to do. Demo a building that never was hit by a plane - or leave a rigged building up with the hope that all of the demolition charges could be removed prior to any of the scores of police, fire and investigators seeing anything. Eventually, the appropriate senior people involved were contacted, a consensus was reached, and direction was given to take Building 7 down, which occurred at about 5 pm the evening of 9/11.
Ghouliani pumped taxpayers for $15 million to create his hideaway, er a, "command bunker" in WTC7. And was he there during the greatest calamity in NY city's history? Nope.
Interesting tidbit on WTC7 (http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/background/wtc7.html):
Building 7 was privately owned from the beginning, in contrast to the other six buildings, which were publicly owned until the summer of 2001. Building 7 was formerly the headquarters of the junk-bond firm Drexel Burnham Lambert, which contributed to the savings and loans collapse and $500 billion bailout of the latter 1980s.
BC - Sounds about right to me.
Plumple, Smiddy and Tricky, I'm with you.
After 10 years, not one piece of evidence as to "who really did bring down the building, or how" has emerged.
How many people would have had to be involved to pull off an inside job?
As an illustration, the Watergate conspiracy was a single burglary in a private building. It took about a dozen of Nixon's top campaign staff to plan it and more than a dozen Cuban burglars to rifle one office. The burglars were caught that very night by the building's private security. During the trial of Hunt and the burglars, enough evidence was discovered to link the crime to Nixon's re-election staff.
The planning, execution, and coverup of crimes occuring in three different states in front of thousands of witnesses, and televised, investigated by local, state and government officials, as well as private citizens, journalists (both US and international) would involve many hundreds of people. After 9 1/2 years, not one single name or action that could stand up in court has emerged. What's the odds on that? If our government were that clever, I'd be thrilled, if I didn't die of a heart attack by the surprise of it all.
Another non-history student... (with sprinkles of horrible logic).
Look it up: Manhattan Project
If a system means the very life of someone that someone will defend it to the death. As Dick Cheney said: "The American way of life isn't negotiable."
I see some piss-ant junked me, but... no sign of any counter-argument. Fucking losers. Go crawl back to your mama.
My grandfather worked tangentially on the Manhattan Project and, growing up, it was known without saying that we just didn't talk about what he did.
Now I know he made uranium.
And had he said anything he would have been labeled as a "traitor," said to be "unstable" (a kook or a "conspiracy theorist"). If of some prominence he'd have been had his character assasinated, if not his person.
The crater under one of the trade towers is shown in detail beginning at 2:10 of this trailer. The actual interview is over 4 hours long. Anyone interested in how the towers were destroyed should follow the links.
There was a furor in the late 80's when it was revealed that nukes were in the demolition plans for the towers before they were built. The polonium triggers on a nuke must be refreshed every 6 months or so. This is the only scenario that makes sense.
The iron spheres in the dust are vaporized steel and not part of any nano thermite.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_UsC6GvKf0&feature=related
What happened to all the radiation ?
Are there 100% clean nukes now?
Doesn't make any sense.
Why don't you ask all the first responders who spent the first week combing the wreckage and never finding any thing bigger than 1/4 of a telephone key pad DOT? Oh that's right.. you can't... because they're DEAD!
This does at least provide food for thought, and begs an explanation of why the theories offered are simply not true. Life is strange, and causation is not necessarily easy to trace. My gut is that Towers 1 and 2 fell because of the jet strikes - yet I concede what happended to #7 is not so easily explained, and therefore raises questions about the obvious causes on ##1 and 2.
Hmmmm .......
as i have written before here I remember being astonished and dismayed that within days of 9/11 the doctored photo of Atta with supposed Iraqi agents was displayed on tv, and I said to my spouse, god they're going to use this as an excuse to invade Iraq, when the list of those responsible for 9/11 were almost all Saudis . . .
Re. the doctored photo of Atta with supposed Iraqi agents was displayed on tv,
How about the amazing flame-proof passport of Satam Al Suqami.
9-11 Research: Crash-Proof Passport
I've never quite understood the end goal of this debate.
Whether it was Dick Cheney or Bin Laden is of little importance (it was Dick). You live in a world where people will kill you.. or steal from you what they can, your liberties included.
That particular human condition hasn't changed since... ever. And it won't change, ever.
That is the only actionable intelligence anyone will ever discover in any investigation of 11 September 2001.
dick cheney couldn't poor piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel unless he was told to do so and bin laden. hell, who even knows if such a man even existed.......so where does that leave us?
Call it apathy if you want, but I just don't give a damn anymore. I don't care about the lying fraudulent corrupted government, the BS spewing media, the two bought and sold political parties with their false dichotomy, the thieving banksters and corporations and their pyramid ponzi paper schemes... I just don't care anymore. I don't listen, I don't participate to the best of my ability, I come to my own conclusions, and I speak my mind. If DC and Wall St collapsed tomorrow I wouldn't bat an eye. The America, and the Constitution, I was brought up to believe in are dead. I'm not even a citizen, that would require actual representation. I just live here. I am a free man, with inalienable rights by the laws of existence and natural law. There is no longer a "justice" system anymore. I don't even recognize the authority of the institutions currently in place (beyond their ability to coerce through violence) and will not, until we have a Constitutional Convention. All that there is, is my family, and my personal pursuits and endeavors. I am a free man. I have little left to lose, and the Lord help anyone who comes between me and the last few people/things I give a damn about on this planet.
My son Kyle used to cram his ass in a pail and declare himself "crabbycakes" and scurry around and bite our ankles. It was hilarious, he looked like a hermit crab. Now he is taller than I. Ah, youth.
I am with Crab Cake. I care only for my family and friends. I used to be an ultra conservative but I finally learned that politics is the opiate which the central banks push to the masses. But I disagree that the purity of the American constitution, and the founding fathers dream, wasn't real because it has been so sullied. In fact, the darker things get, the more thier logic shines for me. Rome went down in corruption and hypocripsy, but they contributed to the human conditon in the end. We took part in the most shining example of opportunity and productiveness and truth (and light) in human history, maybe it was at the end, but still, I feel honored to have been here. You might want to pat yourself on the back for that, 99% of the humans who lived on this planet can't say that. June Cleaver would be proud. It doesn't matter if it all ended in shit. ALL political systems end in shit. Our bodies decompose and end it shit. It doesn't matter. Take faith, all will be well. It will only be a few decades of darkness. But what is a few decades of darkness to history. What is it to people who love their country and love their kids?
I won't miss American Idol. I won't miss Oprah. I won't miss the Repubican and Democrat zombies who argued about the Pledge of Allegience while they looted the dollar. I want to live to see the cycle turn. There is so much good coming our way, but I fear I won't live to see it. Sure, in a world of 7 billion there is likely to be several billion killed in this coming crisis, but as Uncle Joe said, one death is a tragedy, a million deaths is just a statistic. Absolutely brilliant and ruthless Uncle Joe, and of course a psychopath.
I will miss Donna Summers, Barry Gigg, and K.C. and the Sunshine Band. Yes, I loved disco.
If you are bummed out, remember that you are not responsible for regretting the fall of the Hapsburgs, the Roman empire, or [insert whatever cherry picked good times from the last cycle makes you happy thing, here]. Those thoughts and beliefs were a long time ago and they are about as relevant as what was lost more recently. They are gone forever. Surrender how you were when the issue of the day was whether some Cuban kid should be returned to live with his dad or mom, just live your lives and let the fools try to hold onto the crumbs. When the Roman empire fell, were there no happy and fulfilled lives? I find that hard to believe.
One Roman city was overrun, and the survivors fled to a swam region and built a city upon a lake, thinking nobody in their right mind would care to attack a worthless swamp. Their children grew up to found the city of Venice, which become one of the most powerful cities in the world. The point is not to blow sunshine up your ass, but to point out that none of the winners could see the sunshine, only their kids could ignore what was lost and pursue what was available.
OK, I'm donning my polyester leiser suit, getting drunk, and grooving to the likes of the BeeGees. The future isn't my problem dude. The baby boomer generation screwed everybody. I was born in between. I really hope you young fellers whip their asses because they are like locust and are trying to devour you. If I was you, I'd pull a chew and screw and leave the baby boomers to eat dog food. They didn't give a care about money and screwed you, so screw them.
Finally, we can agree on something, Smiddy.
I believe you meant Barry Gibb, who is still alive and kicking, by the way. Unfortunately, Donna Summer has seen her better days. Disco music will be around a lot longer than this whiny stuff they're playing on the radio nowadays. Love me some Earth, Wind and Fire!
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In regard to your point about Venice: you are absolutely correct. It will be our children who have a blank slate and no memories of mirror balls and Hendrix perms. They will be able to make their own way and create their own paradigm going forward.
It strikes me that just because these criminals steal from us in unbelievable sums should really mean nothing to us in the end. I mean, it's not like the money left the planet or anything and the real facts are that people go from pauper to prince to pauper in three generations or so. The money will be recycled eventually and, speaking for my kids, I have great faith in them and their futures.
True, the sandwich generation (myself included...) got screwed over royally but your attitude (about the future, not your blindness about 9/11 facts ;)...) is the correct one. All we can really do now is sip some nice scotch, apply SPF and put on the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack.
The kids are all right.
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Thank you Orly, I really appreciate that. I readily admit I could be wrong. I was a rabid right winger and I was wrong. I was just another fool. It's real hard to look youself in the mirror and realize all the flag waiving you have done in your life was a waste, that the best arguments of your political rivals were valid, and that both you and they were sheep that were robbed by the bankers, but I'm trying to get comfortable with it.
Back to the first post, maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. In a world of liars, where all markets are fixed, I don't believe anything anymore.
Maybe the powers that be, who have complete control over our society, needed a multi bullion dollar debacle and an engineering marvel to justify a war, rather than just a gun boat straying into the Gulf of Tonkin or a battleship blowing up in Havana harbor, but devious people like this don't really need to destroy so much wealth to get what they want. They have a long history of getting what they want.
This is an academic discussion about the details, because these people are utterly ruthless
I admit, too, that I was a flag-waving republican of the first order. I was a big Reagan fan. Unfortunately, those ideas have been shattered by too many coincidences and names that keep popping up throughout our recent history.
I was always suspicious of the Kennedy assassination and that led to my immediate suspicion in the case of 9/11. Putting all these things together is what convinced me. Each one of these items, taken alone, would leave nothing to think that anything was amiss but, taken together, one can extrapolate a massive criminal enterprise that is still on-going.
After a while, all of this stuff gets too "coincidental" to ignore. I'm with you. I hated to come to these revelations myself but after much reflection and years of studying this stuff, I must agree with you that these people are utterly ruthless. Their greed and evil knows absolutely no bounds.
I don't expect anyone to believe a word I say. Look it all up and come to your own conclusion. I am just convinced that these same people and these same names coming up over and over and over again is no coincidence. Just Bing the name Felix Rodriguez and you'll see what I mean.
Peace be with you, either way. Settle it in your mind and don't fear the results.
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nice post
This clown?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/Porter_Goss%2C_Barry_Seal%2C_Felix_Rodriguez%2C_et_al.jpg
No, this one...
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/bush2.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%A9lix_Rodr%C3%ADguez_(Central_Intelligence_Agency)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7027619.stm
Bingo !!!
So many dots connected !!!
Nicely put, here and elsewhere tonight, Orly. I was wrong the other night...you have a really good perspective on things. Peace out.