Eric Sprott On A "Gold Tsunami"

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Jason T's picture

this idea of "not being able to eat it" is a joke right?  

 

Farmers in Germany had their graneries full but would not accept the confetti from Berlin.  But would surely accept gold or silver.  Who do you think ate?

LawsofPhysics's picture

I am a farmer.  Mostly soybean.

So, yes, I will happily take gold and silver.

asdasmos's picture

Wake me when they make edible dollars....

 

What makes you think people will not accept gold and silver?

downrodeo's picture

+1 (troy oz. of gold yo!)

 

I don't even feel like smacking a person when they say that to me. It is such a tired argument, and I can't believe that anyone would use it in earnest. Instead, I smack myself as I must be dreaming. For some reason, my last discussion about gold reminded me of my first fight...with Tyler.

 

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CPL's picture

Are you using any of the North American brokers anymore?  The Chinese brokers I deal with in Vancouver pay in silver for the corn I ship them.  Even send the containers to Ontario.

 

Personally I like the fact I have been getting paid in silver instead of Canuck bucks or USD.  Last years harvest is now worth 30% in terms of capital.  Might be expanding my land holdings a couple more hundred acres and hiring someone to deal with the brokers to shake a better deal out of them.

goldsaver's picture

CPL, I will assume you are not a lying troll making up a story. This is fascinating to me. Chinese dealers are paying you in silver for your grain? Do you have a silver price for the grain or is it based on CND rates? Did the Chinese offer to pay you in silver or did they accept your demand that they do so? Do you know of any other grain exporters getting paid in Au/AG ? How do you deal with tax issues? Report the value of the silver in CND or oare they paying in maples (face value)? This could be a very interesting unreported development.

Hephasteus's picture

The fed fucked up when they got in the money business. You do not have to pay taxes. It's all corporate law and yes when the fed says you are voluntary tax payer they mean it. And when supreme court justices say everyone who is in jail is there voluntarily they mean it. They just don't tell you how to go about NOT volunteering.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xep0Z3J8lF0

Gordon Freeman's picture

Don't believe everything you hear...

CPL's picture

Last two years and I just do corn seed, not food, just seed.  They pay 30% over spot price for the seed versus North American brokers in CAD.  The Chinese brokers were poking around Ontario around three years ago, they made their presentation explaining how it was important to give options in trade.  I took them up on the offer along with other guys around here, I don't think we've sold a single piece of corn in the area unless it was grown in our own personal veggie patches.

We now have Indian brokers doing the same thing.

If anyone thinks the commodity board is representative of reality on the cost of food is going to incredibly surprised when there are companies underwriting derivatives on food that will never be delivered.

The JPM's of the world might think they are in the zone of control, but when their plate is empty at breakfast lunch and dinner because the Indian and Chinese government's understand that they have to feed their population.

 

Contractually the offering is conditional on yields and a sliding scale.  Since everyone in this area has been seeing a slow crop loss that amounts to around 20-30% over the last ten years because of environmental conditions (warm too soon, not enough rain, cold snaps in July, etc).  It increases the cost of the goods.

It's not the huge btw.  Silver and Gold is money, real money.  And when it was offered two years ago, I pretty much knew the writing was on the wall for North America in general.

To give you an idea of the numbers I'm talking about.  Regular spot market price for corn per bushel is 6.70, I get 7.90 from the Chinese and it was paid in silver last October after curing the corn.  Year before I got 5.34 a bushel, again paid in silver.  I can get 80 bushels of corn out of an acre now, I used to average a yield of 115  bushels of corn in 2001.  With 200 acres running this year in a regular land rotation process, I'm estimating the spot price around 8.10 CAD per bushel paid in silver or gold at the end of the summer.  In real terms of capital value, the 120k I was paid in silver has kept it's value in terms of my buying power.

You have to understand something about food.  It's ready when it's ready.  And there is less of it, it costs more for people to eat.  At this point in time, when I'm selling seeds to make more food, I'm not taking paper anymore because the Chinese and the Indians are offering an option. Nor are any of the other guys that make food for your living and theirs.  We take shiny metals like gold and silver because the option is available.

goldsaver's picture

CPL, I will assume you are not a lying troll making up a story. This is fascinating to me. Chinese dealers are paying you in silver for your grain? Do you have a silver price for the grain or is it based on CND rates? Did the Chinese offer to pay you in silver or did they accept your demand that they do so? Do you know of any other grain exporters getting paid in Au/AG ? How do you deal with tax issues? Report the value of the silver in CND or oare they paying in maples (face value)? This could be a very interesting unreported development.

CPL's picture

Taxes?  I'm trading one commodity for another at market value, no "profit" is generated because silver and gold is not a "currency" as far as the law is concerned.  It is the opposite of currency, it has value.  The end tally is "0" when looking at the books.  I wasn't "paid", I traded fair and square as far as the law is concerned.

When I exchange the silver for money however the capital gain is then recognized.  I eventually have to exchange the silver for cash for things like wood for the furnace, gas for the car, hay for horses, clothes, etc.

Trick is like anything else to do with capital management, don't cash it all and spend like a pauper.

A Nanny Moose's picture

I eventually have to exchange the silver for cash for things like wood for the furnace, gas for the car, hay for horses, clothes, etc.

 

I wonder if you might be trading with the wrong people. Surely there are those who will trade for silver?

Jonathan North's picture

I found the same problem.  In the long term I want to hold physical silver.  But in the short term the dollar has not yet collapsed and it is still the generally accepted medium of exchange.  My silver hoard has been quietly appreciating for the last 15 months as the dollar weakens.  But to get by I am forced to trade small amounts of silver for CURRENCY. Because currency is what is current, that's why they call it currency.  I have absolutely not faith in the fiat money the government is currently printing. 

nkktwotwozero's picture

Pretty sure that falls under 'barter' which IRS asks (politely) to report as 1099-B.

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chumbawamba's picture

Thus concludes this episode of Contradictory Contrarian Cuntflap.

I am Chumbawamba.

KickIce's picture

imo, we're looking at a little bit different situation.  Not only inflation but actual shortages as well.

LawsofPhysics's picture

Ah yes, peak "everything"

ColonelCooper's picture

Dude.  I am as big of a Beans, Bullets and BandAids guy as anybody here, but how about you go write a letter to SurvivalBlog, or post at ARF. 

You are commenting about a post submitted by a dude who runs PM's for a living.  Did you honestly expect him to say you should sell your metal and go long #10 cans and lead?

Topics at ZH cover just about everything, but try to at least have a decent segue if you want to hijack a thread.

No junk from me BTW, but you are approaching Doucheville.

william the bastard's picture

Are you saying Sprott has a bias?

 

ColonelCooper's picture

No, Dipshit.  I'm saying that when you read something written by a guy who runs metal funds, you are rather dimwitted to expect him to write about how to remodel a kitchen.

And yes Troll, of course he wants you to buy his funds.  Don't put words in my mouth because you are trying to make a point that is already pretty fucking obvious.   

 

william the bastard's picture

The only point you have is your head.

ColonelCooper's picture

You really aren't getting any better at this.  Don't you have something to cut n paste somewhere?

william the bastard's picture

Hey, I cut and pasted this from the article:

"Even Jim Cramer has acknowledged the current shortage in minted US gold coins"

ColonelCooper's picture

Okay, that's funny.  If you could have worked in something about not being able to eat it, and maybe a little something about a bubble, it would have been first class trolling.

Bay of Pigs's picture

Billy the Gold Douche never gets tired of being thoroughly bitch slapped by the Good Col...

LMAO. Yeah, Eric Sprott is a real dummy isn't he? Only a billionaire you fucktard.

tmosley's picture

The drive by troll strikes again!

ColonelCooper's picture

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Hephasteus's picture

But sir. You said sword sharpens sword. Why won't I sharpen. Hmm. Why won't I sharpen?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQlgA68z_L4&feature=related

 

DoChenRollingBearing's picture

Hahahaha!

Colonel, you sir, are a Troll Terminator par excellence!

KickIce's picture

My bad, I was actually referring to food so I'm in agreement that having food on hand is a good idea.

CynicLaureate's picture

Can't eat gold or silver?

I'll sell you a mature breeding cow for one troy ounce of gold, or a nice heifer for 15 troy ounces of silver (FOB Austin, TX).  Already sold the steers this year.

Related chart: http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$gold:$djalc

(note that the $DJALC index tracks the price per hundred pounds of live cow, so a ratio value of 18 means that one ounce of gold buys an 1,800 pound cow)

Dr. Sandi's picture

Holy sheep shit, Cowboy. That's an intriguing chart you're just exposed us to. Thanks.

My brain's gotta chew on it a little, but it's something subtle yet quite important to know. I also clicked on the historic chart. Looks like rhe REAL price of beef's going up faster than gold over the past couple of years if I read that bad boy right.

Thanks!

ColonelCooper's picture

Feed, Feed, and Feed.  Now I'm no farmer, just live in farm country, (and negotiate a lot of crop damage from utility easements) but what I'm seeing is every available INCH of tillable going into corn.  When it's selling for six bucks a bushel, it gets expensive to shove it down Bessie's cud. 

buzlightening's picture

Yep! A medium of exchange comes to the rescue when paper fiats blowing in the gutter!!  Honest money gold/silver!! The track record speaks for itself and  even jpig morgue wants collateral in gold!! It's truth as money goes marching on!! A timeless medium of exchange!!

monkeys.pick.bottoms's picture

You may want to take into account an exchange rate of gold and grain in an environment plagued by food shortage.

nuinut's picture

Fekete said:

 

The overwhelming majority of working economists don’t see that gold still plays an indispensable role in the credit system. The U.S. Treasury bond market has a sine qua non adjunct in the gold futures market. Without it bonds would be irredeemable: they would be promises maturing into more promises. But once permanent gold backwardation strikes, the prop of gold futures is removed, and the U.S. Treasury bond market will succumb to the sudden death syndrome. For the time being it is supported by speculative demand, but the demise of the gold futures market will make the bond speculators scurry for cover.
As long as confidence in the monetary system is unimpaired, gold will be widely available and the credit system will work properly. Increasing unavailability of gold indicates the threat of a breakdown of the credit system. Gold is going into hiding. Watch for the day when it will not be for sale at any price. When this happens, the credit system and along with it trade will collapse. It is not a matter of equilibrium or the lack of it. It is a matter of life or sudden death.

The debt based system cannot exist without available gold.

How long are most people gonna eat without that?

Jason T's picture

am long growing a garden and raising chickens.

seriously, when food prices go up enough, there will be a boom in home gardening and chicken raising.  

 

bankrupt JPM buy silver's picture

you go chickens, I'll go silver, we'll both win

 

www.silvergoldsilver.blogspot.com

DosZap's picture

Ha, if you think the .guv fkrs are going to allow you to be self sustaining, and grow food, and raise chickens, livestock, dream on.

They will stomp you.

YOU WILL be a ADM slave, if you want to eat.

Nostradumbass's picture

"Ha, if you think the .guv fkrs are going to allow you to be self sustaining, and grow food, and raise chickens, livestock, dream on.

They will stomp you.

YOU WILL be a ADM slave, if you want to eat."

 

I have given this a little thought and it would, to me, be at this point when the mass of lazy, ignorant Americans awaken and FINALLY get into the streets...I wouldn't worry too much about the gov. trying to control your personal veggie and chicken farm...

Dr. Sandi's picture

I'm slowly rising off my lazy ass and joining the "Feed yourself and live" movement.

Despite the fact that our 1/4 acre subdivision paradise has land about as fertile as the plains of Mars, I know that our little city, like many, will let us keep 3 hens, no roosters.

This soil is crap, so I was very excited to find out about growing potatoes in a bag. I can DO this:

http://www.suite101.com/content/growing-potatoes-in-a-barrel-or-bag-a96366

They say if you do it right, you can get about 10 pounds of new potatoes for every pound of seed potatoes you plant. And as nice as tomatoes and endive are, the average 'merican eats 125 pounds of taters a year. I think we're going to need more spuds than tomatoes to get through a "long emergency."

And as much as I love the care and selection I see in the catalog of Territorial Seed of Cottage Grove, OR:

http://www.territorialseed.com/

they're damnably expensive for people with no traceable income.

I found a much less flashy outfit back in my motherland at Zeeland, MI, with much cheaper seed prices:

http://www.debruynseed.com/

I've always trusted people who wear wooden shoes. (Just don't start talking religion or politics.)

I haven't done business with either outfit. Territorial has an excellent rep. But since I be a crazy, take a risk type, I'm about to order seed stock from the Zeelanders and get me a few bags of taters growing out on the south side of the homesead. And maybe some carrots where the tomatoes were last year.

And yeah, tomatoes again too. We always grow tomatoes, even when we have a lousy growing year like 2010 was.

We haven't bitten the bullet and gotten the hens yet though. Dealing with hens is a lifestyle change, and we're not out of work... YET!

We're not close to self-sustaining here, but if we don't start to learn now, we might have to learn under the gun, which is a lot less fun.

 

Lndmvr's picture

In the depression, wifes grandpa feed the hobos coming up grom the tracks potatoes and onions for a little work around the farm. Butter, eggs, onions and potatoes make damn fine eating. .Gov has a law about tracking chickens when they die now. Been buying large bottles of olive oil for frying as it keeps better than butter.

Absinthe Minded's picture

Lndmvr, you read my mind. All those veggies don't do well when they're stuck to a pan. Olive oil is a great ace in the hole. How much olive oil is going to be shipped over seas when TSHTF? If you can buy it in 5 gal. drums, do it! Great for flavoring too. I stocked up on veggie oil too, good for pancakes.Drizzle it on french bread and bake, delicious. I'm getting hungry.

Bringin It's picture

Nice Dr. Sandi.  Remember to order heirloom seeds so that you won't need to reorder next year.

Fish ponds are good too.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=search_videos&search_query=fi...