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Thu, 06/02/2011 - 14:18 | 1333248 Lord Welligton
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You can't make this stuff up.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 14:24 | 1333263 AR15AU
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ZH plays into the Goldman Sachs bullshit rumor mill / intra-day reversal game. Kinda pathetic. 

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 14:27 | 1333285 hedgeless_horseman
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How else do you think Bloomie got to be so rich?

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 14:28 | 1333290 AR15AU
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My point exactly... Tyler, if I wanted to read bullshit, I'd just get a Bloomberg terminal.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 14:30 | 1333302 tekhneek
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Nice avatar. I wanna get one of those.

Any advice? They're about $1,100 at my local shop.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 14:33 | 1333317 Jeff Lebowski
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 You didn't ask me, but I have a Sig 516 Patrol.  More expensive than some other choices, but a very nice piece.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 14:39 | 1333345 Agent P
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I hope you budgeted a little extra for some own an AR with just an optic seems foolish.

ps: I didn't junk you...I love Sig.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 14:43 | 1333370 Pegasus Muse
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SIG 556 SWAT Quad Rail

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 14:43 | 1333382 Jeff Lebowski
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Thu, 06/02/2011 - 15:21 | 1333546 eatthebanksters
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Barrett 416...the best there is for long range kill shots...but for every day use I'll take the Belgian FN....308 rounds and works in the dirt.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 14:32 | 1333333 FubarNation
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Bushmaster here.  Not as good as  Sig but good value.  Goes bang bang everytime.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 14:43 | 1333380 postban
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BCM is what you want for a reasonably priced, good quality AR15, great guns

Have owned Bushmaster, Colt, S&W, Olympic and DPMS along with more than 30 I built.

Vist for vast amounts of data

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 15:58 | 1333708 1911A1
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BCM - top tier quality at a reasonable cost.  S&W, LMT, LWRCI, SIG, Colt are also considered GTG.  (I'm forgetting a couple manufacturers).

Rock River, Bushmaster, Stag, Double Star, etc. are considered 2nd tier and/or hobby gun manufacturers by some.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 14:44 | 1333383 WonderDawg
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Daniel Defense makes a good AR15. Mid-grade price level but high quality piece. I think they run about $900.


Thu, 06/02/2011 - 14:49 | 1333404 SoNH80
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Modell's has Louisville Sluggers for about $20.  Used single-shot 12-guages for about $40....  More useful in a pinch IMHO.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 14:56 | 1333418 Shock and Aweful
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Although it is off topic....

I'd say that three of the best and most well know Mfg's of AR-s are Bushmaster, Colt and DPMS - all three of these would be quality.  

I bought a Smith and Wesson M&P 15 personally....and have had NOTHING but good results. 

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 15:08 | 1333449 TruthInSunshine
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My opinion is free. Treat accordingly.

Bravo Company Manufacturing makes the best AR platform rifle (a 16" middy is the flavor du jour) for the money, and their product rivals (and arguably betters, IMO, e.g. charging handle features - things like that) Colt & FN (FN bought the TDP from Colt and is now the official manufacturer for the DoD) in any and every way, but costs about 20% less.

I have zero affiliation with the company or any of its affiliates or retailers or channels in any way, shape or form, whatsoever.

And here comes the "wow, dude, that's blasphemy" statement:  I am not fond of 5.56 and if you're not heavily invested in the platform, check out 6.8 SPC, though ammunition availability and cost is yet to reach economy of scale yet.

Also at least consider a AR-10 like a LWRC if you want something with more horsepower.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 14:58 | 1333440 Neoisolationist
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personally I have a ruger sr-556 with grip pod and eotech 512. no complaints.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 14:58 | 1333448 AR15AU
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Thanks...  Depends on what you hope to achieve with it. Sig 556 or Rock River AR in 5.56 are great, but excessive for home defense. Most people would be better off with a nice Mossberg 500 and put the extra $$$$ in silver...   Cheers

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 15:08 | 1333478 TheTmfreak
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A converted Saiga 12 is my choice.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 17:28 | 1334009 Widowmaker
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All nice guns, but I like your idea best.   Something like an old SKS X39 7.62x39, redress it with synthetic everything (looks close to an AR15), total cost $350, and you can shoot dirt out of it and butter NATO bread.   Invest the rest into silver -- and away!

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 20:44 | 1334477 Sedaeng
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Thu, 06/02/2011 - 21:21 | 1334521 Rodent Freikorps
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But if you think the world is going to end, there is no substitute for the M1 Garand.

I'll be wearing armor, and you will die with that pussy round, the .223

Just hit the lye delivery system when the flash bang goes off. That will truly fuck up the day of someone in armor.

Fri, 06/03/2011 - 00:18 | 1334836 Sedaeng
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Replied to wrong comment :P


Fri, 06/03/2011 - 06:52 | 1335075 Prometheus418
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Cash and carry Mossbergs are getting to be a little hard to come by around here- they disappear from the shows right away.  Got a Rem. 870 recently for a decent price, though.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 15:09 | 1333487 LFMayor
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Check out CDNN.  Best prices I can find online.  1100 is a little steep, I'm guessing you live in some blue state hell hole like me?  The catalog is a pdf download. Take the info to your local FFL, have them contact CDNN and the Texans will ship it to them.  Shop around, FFL's in this area have a variance of "transfer" charges by as much as 20 bucks.

PS, i get no bennies for this, but CDNN, if you're listening: I should be

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 15:11 | 1333518 DosZap
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If you buy one, make sure it has a Chrome Lined barrel.

Good ammo prices(if you can call any good now).

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 15:47 | 1333669 TruthInSunshine
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Colt, Bravo Company Manufacturing, Lewis Machine & Tool, Noveske, Daniels Defense, FN, Larue Tactical, Knights Armament - I'd put these in the top tier. They're all good.

Spikes Tactical is an newer company that is turning out great quality, according to many, and at a reasonable price.

I have no opinion on S&W when it comes to their AR platform.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 20:53 | 1334500 ipunchsquirrels
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S&W M&P15Tactical, superb platform..throw whateva you want in it and spits it back down the pipe with no least thus far after about 1000 rounds..

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 16:53 | 1333908 Sedaeng
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I purchased a Chinese AK47, 7.62x39 round.  I done a ton of modifications to it already with a tad bit more to come. 2k rounds of ammo and counting...

I choose the AK platform for [reliability].  Having been in the Middle East from 2003-2007 Simply dropping your weapon or hitting the ground hard and getting any debris in your chamber can cause jams... Throw an AK purposefully into the mud, throw dirt purposefully into the chamber and you still have zero issues firing the weapon.  I dare you to try that with your AR platforms.

         "In the chaos of an early morning assault on a remote U.S. outpost in eastern Afghanistan, Staff Sgt. Erich Phillips’ M4 carbine quit firing as militant forces surrounded the base. The machine gun he grabbed after tossing the rifle aside didn't work either.

           When the battle in the small village of Wanat ended, nine U.S. soldiers lay dead and 27 more were wounded. A detailed study of the attack by a military historian found that weapons failed repeatedly at a “critical moment” during the firefight on July 13, 2008, putting the outnumbered American troops at risk of being overrun by nearly 200 insurgents."

I am not trying to start a pissing contest.  Just keep in mind you wont always be shooting from controlled conditions at a gun range.  You have to think of when the SHTF/WROL scenario manifests itself... I am assuming that is why you are all purchasing weapons...

Whatever your choice, best of luck during the coming transition period...

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 22:31 | 1334660 Founders Keeper
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[Simply dropping your weapon[M16, M4, AR] or hitting the ground hard and getting any debris in your chamber can cause jams...]---Sedaeng

Reliability is a serious consideration in a SHTF scenario. Thanks Sedaeng for adding your post.

All good posts above regarding ARs.

Consider. Which weapon "won the west?" Winchester lever? Colt Peacemaker? Gatling? Answer: The shotgun won the west.

The wild west was a lawless, dangerous, unpredictable era. Fraught with criminals, Native Americans on the defensive, banditos, speculators, and desperate travelers. Sounds a bit SHTFy to me.

The simple shotgun put food on the table and defended the homestead. Today's selection of actions, chokes, drop-in barrels, and numerous shot shell loads puts the shotgun in a category of its own.

I'm curious. How does body armor hold up to 1oz 12ga slugs?  Anyone?


Fri, 06/03/2011 - 00:17 | 1334847 Sedaeng
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+10 for the clarification sir

Yes the American military issued M16, M4s & even the 249s as stated in the link to the article in my previous post.

I personally have the Sparta II carry system, with soft armor and plates it is rated at LVL IV protection.

All plates tested at the below link, rated LVL III, were capable of stopping a shotgun slug.  Other rounds were tested as well and listed.

Fri, 06/03/2011 - 07:00 | 1335079 Prometheus418
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Agreed.  Lead-spitters are for armies- the fanciers will tell you how accurate they are, and they can be, but they are really designed to wound as many a possible as quickly as possible, under the theory that if you wound one guy, you effectively remove two from the battlefield when his buddy carries him to safety.

Myself, I've got the 870 and a really nice Marlin 30-30 lever gun.  30-30 was always a good coach gun, and has about 2x the range of a shotgun when hunting larger game.  Have taken many deer with both shotgun and lever over the years.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 15:43 | 1333650 equity_momo
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That would cost you 2k a month buddy. How much you donated to ZH lately?

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 14:31 | 1333308 jus_lite_reading
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Well you could but then they would call you a bipolar psychopath... psyops game back on again!!!

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 14:34 | 1333340 sabra1
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no, but they did!


Thu, 06/02/2011 - 14:22 | 1333251 Cdad
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LOL!  Lolololol!!

**I'm literally jiggling**

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 15:12 | 1333504 Gene Parmesan
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"In denying the rumor, the EU Commission issued a statement explaining that 'we didn't not agree on a new Greek aid plan.'" 

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 14:18 | 1333253 slow_roast
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I'm short, I'm long, I'm short, I'm long, I'm fucking confused.  Fuck.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 14:21 | 1333267 Cdad
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I think I'm about to be fined by my broker for pattern day trading.

Good lord, will someone please invite the Central Bankers to a special "gathering" in honor of their "civic duty" in a room with a very heavy "door" and a large tempered steel "latch"  ?  Please.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 14:48 | 1333384 The Fonz
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No kidding, I popped out of a position today, to reverse directions then had to put the original back on... unfortunately my brokers updates were very far behind and my first 3 attempts at orders didn't get filled. Then I just had to reverse right back into the original position. On the bright side though with every lesson costing hundreds of dollars I am remembering everything I learn! lol

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 14:46 | 1333396 A_MacLaren
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When that happens, can we MOAB 'em?

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 14:21 | 1333269 tmosley
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Just buy physical PMs and let these fools burn themselves to death.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 14:27 | 1333277 plocequ1
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Just spank the monkey. It clears any confusion and puts things in perspective. I highly recommend it

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 14:47 | 1333399 The Fonz
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Wait a minute... who the hell junks monkey spanking?!? 

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 15:00 | 1333444 knukles
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Good catch.  Go long Kleenex.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 18:52 | 1334231 Bananamerican
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"who the hell junks monkey spanking"

the monkey of course...

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 15:46 | 1333659 Rodent Freikorps
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People without a monkey?

Monkey envy.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 18:37 | 1334203 MisterMousePotato
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Would you like to buy a monkey?

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 14:22 | 1333254 Dreadker
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Priceless... lol

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