EU Summit Begins In Post-Portugal Collapse Chaos: What, If Anything, To Expect; A Look At Portugal's Imminent €70 Billion Bail Out

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Thu, 03/24/2011 - 07:12 | 1094320 JLee2027
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All is well, no need to panic

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 07:12 | 1094321 sudzee
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We need the chart guys to get to work on the "actually printed physical fiat printed for the masses verses the digitized pysdo-fiat (enslavement devices) typed up for gov'ts and banks (prisonmasters).


Thu, 03/24/2011 - 07:17 | 1094330 Thorlyx
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What's another €70 Billion ?

Just peanuts these days. Wake me up when you are talking €70 Trillion.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 07:27 | 1094347 They_Live
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A few €70 Billions here, a few €70 Billions there and pretty soon you're talking about a large sum of money.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 07:19 | 1094337 Tulli
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Meanwhile, Portugal's benchmark stock index, the PSI-20, is up 1%.

It's all good.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 08:51 | 1094597 A Man without Q...
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The markets can remain irrational as long as Bernanke wants them to...

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 07:22 | 1094342 Azannoth
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"Portugal's cost competitiveness relative to Germany has decreased by 21% since the introduction of the euro"

Why put more lipstick on this Pig, just get rid of the Euro and be done with it

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 07:36 | 1094358 Snidley Whipsnae
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EUR/USD = 141.32 Now...

Little, if any, dollar strength. Which one is the bigger pig?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 07:29 | 1094351 Id fight Gandhi
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World markets rally on more euro country failures. Makes sense.

Btw how is Ireland going to pay more than 10% on their bonds?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 07:30 | 1094354 FischerBlack
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Socrates? I thought Bill and Ted sent him back to ancient Greece after their project!

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 07:34 | 1094357 Seasmoke
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what the heck is the end game here.....what are they trying to accomplish (besides kick the can down the road !)

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 07:43 | 1094370 Snidley Whipsnae
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Kicking the can is the only option left...imo...The azz hats have never had a 'grand conspiracy'... Instead they have played for one more day in the sun...and continue to do so.

"Occam's razor (or Ockham's razor[1]), often expressed in Latin as the lex parsimoniae, translating to law of parsimony, law of economy or law of succinctness, is a principle that generally recommends selecting the competing hypothesis that makes the fewest new assumptions, when the hypotheses are equal in other respects. For instance, they must both sufficently explain available data in the first place."

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 07:44 | 1094374 Azannoth
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Maybe they believe or KNOW something about the 2012 prophecy(maybe an impending Global catastrophe) so they are holding on to the best seats on the Titanic

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 07:47 | 1094393 PY-129-20
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They are just trying to make me more sad and angry. All German politicians are alike. They all want to bailout. Meanwhile, my countrymen are getting poorer and poorer by the minute. Public baths, schools - everything is closed down these days. The pot-holes in the streets are getting bigger and bigger. This won't end well.


Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:25 | 1094754 Stimme der DDR
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Alles wird gut. Someone will come and bailout us. It happened before. 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 07:36 | 1094359 ivars
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Strange, but it really seems that bad news are propping stocks up by pushing USD down. It should have been EUR that goes down with Portugal, should it not? But it does not, USD does.

I am perplexed...Can not be that Feb 18th max in DJIA will be overreached...Although a short spike is always possible, but there is no reason behind it.


Thu, 03/24/2011 - 07:46 | 1094385 Thorlyx
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at least, gold and silver go up. Not all thermometers are broken.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 07:45 | 1094389 Snidley Whipsnae
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Perhaps we have better printers? Or, more printers?

Take a look at these adjusted monetary base, M2 and MZM charts at Jesse's...

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 07:48 | 1094397 Watauga
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Anyone--given the mess that is Europe (Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Spain. . .), why is the EURO climbing?  It appears that the collapse of the EU is a foregone conclusion, with Germany, perhaps, surviving as a strong, viable power.  The rest of Europe would seem to be on its deathbed.  So, why is the EURO higher?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 07:51 | 1094407 Quintus
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It isn't climbing.  This is simply an optical illusion caused by the dollar falling slightly faster than the Euro.

To get a proper perspective, look at Gold and Silver priced in Euros.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 08:03 | 1094448 T0mmy
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People using euros ca. 320 mio

10 mio of them are portugese

11 mio of them are greeks

and about 5 mio are irish

so this problem is at the moment not much bigger than the unification for germany 22 years ago

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 08:28 | 1094512 edotabin
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It isn't the number of people. It is how much they have spent that is disproportionately high .

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 08:26 | 1094506 edotabin
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The USD will rally when the US declares bankruptcy.

What part of "huge scam" is perplexing?

None of this stuff can be trusted. The manipulations appeal to the absolute lowest common denominator at this point.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 08:56 | 1094633 JLee2027
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The USD will rally when the US declares bankruptcy.

That declaration would end the USD.  It will not happen that way in my opinion. The system comes apart first, by force.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 10:13 | 1094933 edotabin
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Not necessarily. It is very posssible to say "F YOU" to creditors and still float the currency.


Ultimately what I'm saying is that debt is being used as a weapon to unite European nations into a single country (essentially). That is the overarching goal. This can also be seen by the  lies that were sold/told to the people concerning the constitution, the fact that it was voted against by the people of a variety of nations etc. etc. etc. Funny how nobody was really collapsing prior to the "constitution". Once people voted "correctly" then the financial portion kicked in.  The exchange rate of the Euro is kept high so as to instill some confidence not because it is worth anything or because of the crap analysts are blurting out. It is all a crock.

The system coming forcibly apart: Can't be certain anymore. We are living in such a financial la la land as it is. If it hasn't fallen apart already..... Even a 5 year old wouldn't buy all the garbage that is being spewed by "respected" analysts.


Thu, 03/24/2011 - 11:02 | 1095222 tired1
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 think you're correct  Rational benchmarks such as: Debt to GDP, default seems to be of no use. The pols get another day in the sun while the global banks exchange binary digits for secured sovereign assets.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 08:44 | 1094568 Josephine29
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They would have been much better off in Portugal if they had taken the advice on Notayesmanseconomics and called for help last September..

On and on it goes...

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 11:17 | 1095321 tired1
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Got to careful when useing 'they' and 'we' these days. It's more important to which clan, tribe or org one belongs; it seems that the concept of nation states means little.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 08:45 | 1094583 A Man without Q...
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One of the things going on in the background are all the tricks employed to make the deficit look better than it really is.  There's pressure to privatize state assets, but they can't afford to clean up the accounts, so they are kind of stuck.  

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 08:57 | 1094631 sangell
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Oh really. Not too surprising I guess. I fail to see how 'restructuring' helps anything either as, given Portugals external debt that would feed right back to Spain and with three Pigs at the EFSF trough there won't be enough to feed the Hog of the bunch.


Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:10 | 1094627 Negro Primero
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Tripartite Social Summit - Today's Press Conference

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 11:52 | 1095478 Ahmeexnal
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Will Portugal be FORCED to "sell" her gold?

Will Sarkozy, in another of his napoleonic pipedreams, invade Spain and Portugal?

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