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European Double Dip Begins, As Continent Finds Its Monetary Policy At Mercy Of New York Fed

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Fri, 11/12/2010 - 16:55 | 723270 SheepDog-One
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All this is what a Princeton economic masters degree gets you? I'll pass, just go to welding school or somethin'.

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 17:02 | 723290 the not so migh...
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Its going to get interesting now, the PHd's are really going to try harder to proove they know what they are doing.  

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 17:09 | 723315 Problem Is
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Unemployment will not turn around...

Until all Fed PhD economists are unemployed...

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 17:52 | 723442 LowProfile
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The last one is the New York Fed, which courtesy of its FX swap lines, now has infinite leverage over what happens in Europe.


Did I just miss something, or is this an open invitation for the EU to dump all it's financial garbage on the US?!


Fri, 11/12/2010 - 18:46 | 723577 Bonesetter Brown
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There is nothing new to these FX lines.  They were used heavily in late 08 as part of the pre-official QE swelling of the Fed's balance sheet.  Then they were repaid (Fed probably made a nice return on that transaction).

The swap lines were re-opened this past May, but there has been conspicuously low (if any) draw on these lines.

Merkel took all of Europe down the austerity path and that saved/rallied the Euro temporarily without the use of the FX line.  Now that austerity is playing out Irving Fisher style, real debt burdens for the periphery Euro nations increase, and their sovereign debt has fallen outside the safety zone of the better credits (gold, USTs, bunds, etc) creating blowouts in spreads.  PIGS default is a certainty; always was.

So far it looks like Bernanke's QE is preferable to Trichet/Merkel/Weber austerity cum debt serfdom.  But boy, there has got to be a better option still.

I strongly suspect TPTB in Europe want to avoid drawing on the FX lines at all costs, but will need to lean heavily on the swaps in the end.  Or maybe the ECB is being set-up as the ultimate "bad bank"?  Who knows?  The French and German banks have already effectively offloaded a significant amount of PIGS sovereign debt on the ECB. Maybe they could start swapping more PIGS debt for USD at the ECB.  The swap line could be a "don't throw me into that briar patch" sorta thing.

No doubt extreme pressure/leverage is being applied by multiple parties, and everyone is jockeying, positioning, negotiating the quid pro quo, etc.

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 18:52 | 723591 ATG
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China and Germany just told Bernanke, Geithner and Obama at G20 in Seoul to go suck a lemon

QEII is kaput

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 18:58 | 723603 Bonesetter Brown
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Of course they did.

"QEII is kaput" -- nice choice of words.

Did the Chinese and Germany say what they might do in response?  Honestly, I've missed the coverage.

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 20:21 | 723749 dnarby
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Personally I think they are planning to sacrifice stocks at the bond altar.


Sat, 11/13/2010 - 11:49 | 724696 trav7777
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QE is preferable to austerity.  The banks don't deserve interest on the money supply.

Notice the article and all like it, tho...always the talk of growth growth growth, what can we do to get growth back.

Until we abandon this talk of growing forever and ever and ever, we're not going to come up with any real solutions.

The debts CANNOT be paid; we are in a contractionary climate.  Principal at this point is dicey, forget interest.

There ARE NO OPTIONS in which NOBODY has to take a haircut.  The battle is between the oligarchy who have all the bond claim tickets and want austerity or in the absence, will continue to borrow to stockpile liquidation claim tickets, and the rest of us, who need jubilee and to be relieved from this parasitic banking system.

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 17:07 | 723312 Problem Is
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Welders clearly understand micro theory as they do well both cyclically and counter cyclically...

Bennie... not so much...

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 17:06 | 723296 His Dudeness
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Double dip choices...


Caramel sauce

Hot Fudge

Chocolate syrup


Fruit topping

French Fries


Fri, 11/12/2010 - 17:20 | 723350 tmosley
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I'll take Turd and nuts.  Despite the bad taste, they tend to be right a lot more often than not, and certainly much more than the Ph.ucking D.ouchebags in charge.

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 17:08 | 723304 99er
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Chart: SPX

Heckuva job, Ben. $7.2 billion? Heckuva job.



Fucking idiot.

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 17:07 | 723305 plocequ1
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My sarcasm mode has ended. Im seriously concerned.

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 17:55 | 723448 LowProfile
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That certainly took you long enough.

My advice?  Get gold, food, guns, gas, and plenty of popcorn.

Even if you don't actually need the first four, you'll sleep better...  But for sure you're going to want plenty of popcorn to enjoy the show with.

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 20:35 | 723778 malusDiaz
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May I suggest Coconut Oil?  5 Gal is cheep!  http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/expeller-pressed_coconut_oil.htm


+50 pound back of Popcorn... I can make more popcorn then my HOUSE!!!!!



Fri, 11/12/2010 - 17:07 | 723311 scratch_and_sniff
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I want trading reopened right now. Get those brokers back in here! Buy 'em!! Wilson, where are you going? You idiot. Get back in there at once and sell, sell, sell !!

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 18:42 | 723555 Agent P
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Ralph Bellamy falls to the floor clutching his chest

"Mortimer, your brother's not well, we'd better call an ambulance."

"Fuck him!"


God I love that movie!!!

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 18:57 | 723598 ATG
Fri, 11/12/2010 - 17:10 | 723314 Spalding_Smailes
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EU : Ben we need some more benny bux.

BEN : OK, we are going to need 10% back in gold

EU : Welllll ummmmmm we need the bux so o.k.

BEN : Nice doing business, thanks.

BEN : Next ....

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 17:10 | 723316 Mitchman
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Hope Merkel is getting some sleep on the plane on her way back to Germany 'cause her phone is going to be ringing hard the moment she gets off.

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 17:10 | 723321 max2205
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Europe can now join the dollar union.  I'll be paying for my brat in dollars bitchaaaaaaaaaaas!!

Last kick of the can at the end of a dead end road.

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 17:37 | 723395 Big Corked Boots
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What would happen if the Single World Currency turns out to be the US Dollar?

Scary shit, that thought is.

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 18:47 | 723580 Bonesetter Brown
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Kinda funny, kinda sad.  Just not ha-ha funny.

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 19:02 | 723609 ATG
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What would happen if the Single World Currency turns out to be the US Dollar?

Well, the US allegedly has more gold reserves than any other country

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 19:03 | 723617 Bonesetter Brown
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Indeed it has.  And pretty good on-shore and off-shore energy reserves as well.

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 17:40 | 723400 Danielvr
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Or take oil off the dollar.. I don't think the Arabs would mind.

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 17:11 | 723324 Ripped Chunk
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Merry Christmas!!!!!

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 17:12 | 723327 Loco Vida
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Keep printing Bennie...........we made ya europe/asia/south america and we going to break ya......going to level the playing field or we all go to hell

Go Benny Go Timmy...........its your birthday



Fri, 11/12/2010 - 17:24 | 723362 bob_dabolina
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The future is unusually uncertain.

dumb shit.


Fri, 11/12/2010 - 17:42 | 723394 Miles Kendig
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What kills me is this action, in broad strokes is just too predictable.  I wonder what the IMF's swap line at the fed is?  Regardless, this game is all too familiar to us folks who survive here off South Main Street


Fri, 11/12/2010 - 17:42 | 723407 Assetman
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So to summarize...

The Fed initated Euro strength vs. the USD by unabashedly printing money into the next QE wormhole.... you know, as a way to save it's own domestic economy (we are led to believe).

At the same time, the EU is reluctant to counter with a similar QE policy due to their own dependence of the Fed's swap lines.

So... the conclusion is... the EU is going to have to "eat it" and take the double dip full force, while the U.S. continues to flood the world with doelarrs?

I would think there would be rioting in the Euro streets.

It's of little wonder the world is more than a little ticked off with U.S. policy. 

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 17:48 | 723413 Miles Kendig
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And helps provide further clarity as to why we still have so many uniformed service members in Europe.  While Europe has grown reliant upon US largess to save them the hassle of footing the bill for their own defense (what looked like uneven burden sharing in Afghanistan gains in clarity).  Now Europe's military and para-military (police and others) forces are woefully unprepared without our assistance.  I wonder what the reaction on the streets of Europe would be if their governments felt compelled to call on the US to provide forces to help maintain order?

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 18:16 | 723500 scratch_and_sniff
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Europe is in Afghanistan as a gesture of solidarity, US gov knows they could fight that pathetic and pointless war on their own, the whole thing is a very bad and tasteless joke. As for US forces maintaining order in Europe, that’s very funny indeed.

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 18:45 | 723574 Miles Kendig
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Indeed it is.  Hopefully my humor will improve as the evening progresses.  And that whole A episode is beyond tragic.

Sat, 11/13/2010 - 07:41 | 724439 TBT or not TBT
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Let's twist the knife more shall we?   Europeans are in Afghanistan to maintain the facade that NATO isn't ridiculous, but the whole affair stands now as a proof that NATO is ridiculous.

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 21:01 | 723828 szjon
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Like when we needed your help in 1939 and you sat back and sold us overpriced weapons?  Or are you one of those for whom the war started in 1941?


Oh, please show me one example of US troops providing 'order' on their ventures overseas. Exporting chaos more like!

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 22:45 | 724061 robobbob
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if you thought our prices were high in 39, just wait till the 201X catalogue comes out.

we gotta lot of overhead to cover this time around

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 18:01 | 723462 Yikes
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I can understand the need for swap lines back in 2008.  As I understand it, Europe was looking for the relative safety of the USD.  But now?  With QE2. 

Is Tyler suggesting that all the whining from Europe is just that, whining, and that even with QE2 and QE3 coming, that the death of the dollar is greatly exaggerated and that it is still king?

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 18:55 | 723593 Bonesetter Brown
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Don't rule it out.

If you can figure out a way to destroy all the other reserve currencies, or pseudo reserve currencies, or wanna-be reserve currencies, then the relative reservy-ness of your currency can increase greatly.  And what is the big worry about a large increase in money supply if global trade and forex reserves must rely all the more on your currency?

Of course, there is that pesky problem with gold.  What to do about gold...

Might be a good idea to use your military to firmly control a good chunk of the world's energy supplies as a hedge.

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 21:07 | 723844 Orly
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Europe at that time was selling everything they had priced in USD so that they could buy Treasuries.  The 4X swap as designed to stop the overwhelmong selling of US equities and to stabilise the GBP (which was ruined...).

Now, the opposite is true.  Now, it is designed to get people out of equities and into US bonds.  Demand will be much stronger than you think.  That move helps the Euro and the AUD come to a softer landing vis-a-vis the USD.

It's just the other side of the see-saw.

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 18:07 | 723475 scratch_and_sniff
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"I would think there would be rioting in the Euro streets."


Give it time, the pain is nowhere near sinking in yet because it hasn’t really started. 99% of people are still in la la land, and a vast majority have never known austerity. UK gov just released details of benefit cuts for the poorest claimants(including the disabled), and there has been a huge media drive to turn the rest of the nation against the "work-shy",(everyone seems to have forgiven the bankers for the moment) and the rest of the nation is buying it. The only thing is, when the rest of the nation realise that they too will soon be needing these benefits when the public sector cuts kick in, things will get ugly. They want people with no job to work for £1 an hour...when you start demanding that accountants, nurses, electricians etc work for £1 an hour(sweeping streets and cleaning etc), then you will see fireworks, IMO. And rightly so!

Sat, 11/13/2010 - 11:54 | 724705 trav7777
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UK is an interesting study to watch...that is the oldest and firmest-entrenched oligarchy and banking clan.  The message is GET BACK ON YOUR WHEELS, HAMSTERS from them.  And the average Brit is so goddamned mindfucked and so prideless and cowardly now that they are just going to soldier on and take it.

Sat, 11/13/2010 - 12:42 | 724769 Orly
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Unfortunately, Oscar, you're absolutely correct.

Sat, 11/13/2010 - 15:48 | 725091 Dismal Scientist
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As opposed to the average American ? Now thats funny.

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 19:43 | 723686 EvlTheCat
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"I would think there would be rioting in the Euro streets."

One would think there would be rioting in the U.S. streets too.  ***Please, add quarter to continue!!*** 

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 17:45 | 723420 Die Weiße Rose
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"The New York Fed, which courtesy of its FX swap lines, now has infinite leverage over what happens in Europe."

I knew it - Napoleon Bernanke is leveraging his way into Europe again !

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 17:58 | 723455 sabra1
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don't the chinese trade heavily with europe? wouldn't this really piss them off, like, totally?

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 18:49 | 723575 EvlTheCat
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They do now since their exports to the U.S. have flat lined.  In my opinion the Chinese government is getting what it deserves trying to keep up with the Fed's poor money laundering skills. It should be no "surprise" that industry dropped off since Europe's net imports from China are on the rise.

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 19:09 | 723630 ATG
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the Fed's poor money laundering skills


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