European Rescue Fund Insufficient To Rescue Italy, May Be Doubled To Over $2 Trillion

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Sun, 07/10/2011 - 13:15 | 1441489 66Sexy
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"We must go forward, cautiously, and consolodate each acquire position, because already the 'inferior social stratum of society' is giving unceasing signs of agitation.

Let us make use of the courts...When, throught the laws intervention, the common people shall have lost their homes, they will be more easy to control and govern, they shall not be able to resist the strong hand of government acting in accordance with the control of the leaders of finance."

US Bankers Magazine, 1892.

"We must keep the people busy with political antagonisms. We'll therefore speed up the question of reform for the democratic party, and protection for the republican party.

By divinding the electorate this way, we'll be able to have them spend their energies at struggling amongst themselves on questions that have no importance to us."

United States Bankers Magazine, 1892.

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 13:31 | 1441512 Milestones
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Banker today are just as charming as ever. Good grief Charley, when in the hell will we learn?     Milestones

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 14:24 | 1441592 ratso
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Well, the problem is that 1.5 trillion euros will not be enough.

The cost of the ECB structure that allowed the exploitation of the thrifty countries by the spendthrift countries is now coming home to roost.  The size of this avalanche may well be more like 3 trillion euros or more before this wave of the crisis calms.

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 19:41 | 1442178 Ahmeexnal
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I'd buy Venezia for a dollar!

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 20:33 | 1442232 Reptil
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Indeed. 1,5 trillion is now, 3 weeks after this number was "leaked" to the press, likely to be doubled in juli, I totally agree. Though that is just to keep the whole thing liquid, not a solution in itself.

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 13:45 | 1441535 thunderchief
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They don't print that stuff in high school history books, and they never will.

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 14:50 | 1441638 macholatte
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THanks 66

Just for fun I googled one of your quotes and got this....


and this


After some research, the original source we found was listed as the United States Bankers' Magazine in 1892, republished later in the New Era and in the Social Crediter. 

Following is the article in its entirety:


Sun, 07/10/2011 - 22:44 | 1442495 Michael
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They never envisioned the Ron Paul movement back then.

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 13:21 | 1441501 Misean
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Is there no ink?!? No paper?!? Surely there is no surfeit of debt that cannot be solved by more!

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 13:40 | 1441508 wandstrasse
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Print the pain away!

BTW, in German MSM neither the US debt ceiling, nor Italy has been mentioned in recent days. Political headlines are some tanks sold to Saudi-Arabia and tax reduction. EU contagion, death of Euro? Waaahhhh, go away, too complicated, too boring.

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 13:35 | 1441517 Cheeky Bastard
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"But fear not: the Dow Transportations index is at an all time high."

But the BBG Tanker index is about to hit a multi-year low (and then surpass it) ... 

Rally on ...

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 13:35 | 1441518 Urban Redneck
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The theater of the absurd, is it a divine comedy or tragedy - central bankers blaming other central bankers, because their private sector banker counterparts smell blood in the water and are hungry for a fresh kill and more profits... which will in turn necessitate another taxpayer bailout for the sharks arranged by the central bankers themselves.


Sun, 07/10/2011 - 13:38 | 1441523 DeadFred
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Wouldn't it be cheaper to just write checks to the bank owners and skip the charade?

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 13:45 | 1441536 wandstrasse
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DeadFED, exactly this I have been asking myself for a while. Why do they not print as much money as any banker wants at any point of time? What are all the trading desks, conference rooms etc good for? it does not change the result of the entire banking exercise at all.

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 14:27 | 1441576 Urban Redneck
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It might have something to do with the lack of scalps to pin on the wall- last time they got Fuld's and Caine's, or put another way- the satisfaction of banker masturbation isn't as satisfying as banker fornication (black widow style). 


EDIT - Prior examples include Soros vs dickless John Major (who went on to Carlyle Group), and Soros vs the Thai Baht, his sociopathic behavior has definitely been legitimized in the intervening years.

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 15:00 | 1441657 Urban Redneck
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As much as I detest postponing the inevitable.  There is a simple solution, and less expensive in the case of Italy than the model used in Greece.  The "Jean-Claude-Zhou Put" come out of the emergency meeting tomorrow- before the US markets open, and announce that the ECB and PBoC will buy at par (or equivalent depending on the vehicle) whatever Italian crap is being targeted - and in the process BANKRUPT the specific bankers responsible.   

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 15:15 | 1441685 macholatte
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Don't forget stealing. It has a lot to do with stealing.

Politicians wring their hands looking for their own personal bailout (ie: Barney Frank "Nobody could have seen this coming" therefore everybody is absolved of blame) so they have an excuse to use to get re-elected and are available for more bribes and the Brokers/Bankers/Lawyers get huge "fees".

IMHO there is nothing about Italy that is a surprise to anyone inside the circle of kleptocrates. All the maneuvering is about power and stealing and then move the show to the next country.

Well, if crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part to us, do they?
George Carlin

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 14:16 | 1441577 john39
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won't work. its not about money. world wide hostile takeover by the dark side. its about power. They plan to take away your rights, literally, human cattle. 1984 was not fiction, it was a prediction.

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 14:17 | 1441578 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Even though QEx works in the short term as printing money, it still is debt. In the long term, it is worst since taxpayers will someday have to pay it back. As long as they just keep buying debt, the QE infinity is limited in nature. If they really go Zimbabwe style, it will be hell to pay.

To answer your question why the banks don't print like mad? They have to pretend like the Ponzi is legitimate. Most on ZH understand that it is not and just a foolish game till collapse.

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 14:23 | 1441590 hedgeless_horseman
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Why do they not print as much money as any banker wants...?

That is exactly what is happening.

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 13:43 | 1441531 ISEEIT
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Short AUD/USD.

That's all I gotta say.

To much fun in my house to play here right now.

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 13:44 | 1441534 docj
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Hope Italy is still there why I arrive for my conference in mid-September. I was rather looking forward to briefly visiting the place of my Mother's birth (Venice).

BTW, doesn't this call for the "It's On Like Donkey Kong" pic?

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 13:50 | 1441541 Djirk
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how much debt does Italy have to roll over in the next 5 years......are they not able to pay interest......the ECB doesnàt have to backstop the whole 1.5B now.....someone want to drive up yields....tired of negative yield

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 14:07 | 1441562 A Man without Q...
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Italy needs to raise €500 billion by the end of 2013

Make no mistake, this is not about getting paid a few more basis points.  There's nearly €2 trillion of public debt in Italy, the Republic, regions, cities, plus all sort of financing structures and bizarre derivatives (many of which are currently the subject of court cases, which may have something to do with this.) which are off balance sheet debts.

All I know is that the banking community knows that Italy is too big to bail out and too interconnected to isolate, and will hurt everyone.  There is no way they would consider this a money making opportunity.  

I always expected to get a sense when the US was really fucking screwed by the decision to turn on Italy, as this would be hugely bullish for Dollars and Treasuries.  It's surprising to me how events have been kept quiet to now, it's like we're slowly being told not to panic, but we have a big problem.

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 16:22 | 1441806 Djirk
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Thx for the data, 500B is a big nugget and I bet there is more due to creative the Italian press they called it a debt vortex (translated)...nasty

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 17:28 | 1441949 A Man without Q...
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It reminds me of the famous buconero from Parmalat.


The question is whether Parmalat will be the foretaste of an Italian banking crisis in the same way Enron was a US one.. 

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 13:52 | 1441547 PulauHantu29
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"Senor, would you like spaghetti or stromboli with yoru debt?"

Got Gold?

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 14:02 | 1441555 SDRII
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but but but AA is going to blow out the EPS and Klaus is set to reiterate those inventories are locked up for life in financing deals

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 14:02 | 1441556 Atomizer
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"Earth Days (2009)" in which Dennis Meadows explains exponential growth, overshoot and collapse of society- from the 1972 study/book "The Limits to Growth.

Monsanto is on the case. Government food subsidies continue to be on the rise. Central planners are simply reinforceing behavior changes under (UN Codex Alimentarius Commission Food).

Again, doomers like myself simply pass along information.

United Nations Publications prepared by the Division for Ocean Affairs and the Law of the Sea, Office of Legal Affairs

Leave no bleeding turnip behind!

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 14:12 | 1441570 Vampyroteuthis ...
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The bailout wall will soon be hit. Is Italy the proverbial Achilles Heel?

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 14:28 | 1441598 Atomizer
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We knew about this well in advance. The elected carnival blokes are having puckered asshole syndrome. I'm almost certain, the new universal health care will cover this aching problem.

Clarke and Dawe ask the million dollar questions

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 14:24 | 1441582 knukles
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Daddy, explain to me again what happens when they figure out it's all futile.

Son, there's no pile of debt too big that can't be fixed with loads of paper and barrels of ink.

Is that true, mommy?

Don't listen to him son, he may be your father, but he's a fucking idiot.  Here, go bury this gold coin in the back yard where dipshit can't see it.

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 14:21 | 1441586 boyplunger
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Lets have Italian.

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 14:34 | 1441606 snowball777
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Never double-down on a hand that can bust with 1 card.

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 14:35 | 1441612 snowball777
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Anytime someone claims they need the freedom to act quickly  (Hi, Hank!) you should immediately punch them in the mouth and walk away.

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 14:56 | 1441651 equity_momo
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When the camels back finally breaks the liquidations of items not deemed necessary to live will be a thing of such epic destruction , you wont be able to log onto ebay for the gazillions of LV handbags , LULU lemon hotpants and Porsche matching luggage blocking up their search engines.

If you have something you dont need , like a sportscar ,a spare house or two , overpriced trinkets ,  think about finding a chinese or Wall st sucker to sell them to now. And put the cash into the usual suspects. 

We are getting to the bare essentials. Theres a bubble in consumer discretionary stocks that will rival the tech boom of 99.

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 14:58 | 1441656 Tense INDIAN
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nifty targets for coming days

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 15:04 | 1441665 Monedas
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Extend the Space Shuttle program and use it to deliver FRNs to the Europeons ! Maybe for once we'll get a full (50,000 lbs) payload ! This last mission carried a "whopping" 7,000 lbs (15% capacity) payload ! Can't cram any more stuff into the space station ! Isn't the space station (built by Russian kerosene rockets at $20 mm a pop) smaller than the much heralded Shuttle ? The most expensive pizza delivery vehicle in history ! Monedas 2011 The flagship of a Keynesian Super Nova New Deal ! PS You would think they would fly a full crew on the last "Sentimental Journey" ? No takers ?

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 15:30 | 1441717 snowball777
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With current luck, an O-ring would cause a DXY pop.

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 15:52 | 1441749 Monedas
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With a full crew (10?) and a re-entry wardrobe failure.....the fatality rate curve would surpass the Corvair curve ! Monedas 2011 What ? It already has ? Where's Nader Numbnuts ? An "O" ring failure is the rocket science equivalent of a burst condom !

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 15:19 | 1441692 buzzsaw99
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Just have Moody's stamp Italy's bonds "AAA" and sell them to the norway teacher retirement system for a profit. Problem solved.

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 15:35 | 1441735 Problem Is
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Put CalPERS down for $20 or $30 Billion...

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 15:35 | 1441731 Problem Is
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Maybe The Bernank can make his first profit as Chairsatan by selling the ECB some Bernanke Buck Green inkjet cartridges...

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 16:11 | 1441791 disabledvet
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Here it comes. 2008 was just a prelude and indeed Europe and Dexia more than likely caused the collapse of Wall Street just like Creditanstallt kicked off the Great Depression. "This time is different" in the sense that Europe is far more complicated and interconnected and our Fed was "all over dees pooh" once Greenspan was escorted out.

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 16:53 | 1441802 Franken_Stein
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Let me translate this from Die Welt correctly:


In doing so, the politicians involved in monetary affairs are not only putting emphasis on an increase but also on a more flexible design of the rescue fund.

"The European central banks aren't willing to buy additional sovereign bonds anymore.", so the talking goes in central bankers' circles.

"This ability should be transferred to the rescue fund by the respective finance ministers."
Apart from that, one would have to be able to react quickly, without waiting for drawn-out negotiations on details.

Furthermore, a better PR strategy on the crisis is necessary:
While "Euro group boss Jean-Claude Juncker is talking all day, no one is listening to what he has to say anymore", a central banker said.


It would be of utmost importance to take private sector participation in the contingency plans off the table immediately:

Already now the damage caused by that would be enormous, while yielding nothing.

It is therefore especially the German government which is being heavily criticized in ECB circles.


Sun, 07/10/2011 - 17:19 | 1441919 Jovil
Sun, 07/10/2011 - 18:22 | 1442039 The Count
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It does not matter if Merkel is in power or some other meat puppet. Why is it so hard to get this? The string pullers in the shadows know, and will, exert any pressure necessary to keep the ball rolling. 2 trillion? so what, they would play along if it was 20 trillion. Its all bogus anyway.

No different here either...if the Obamatron doesn't get re-elected, so what. Who is stupid enough to think the reps will kick the banksters asses? The dems are just stupid and dont' get a market economy...the reps think businesses have to be allowed to screw everybody over. We are doomed.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 00:54 | 1442697 janus
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you know that part in Beck's masterpiece Odelee, on, i wanna say track 7, where you just feel the first "NOVACAINE!!!!" is about to drop.  That's sort of the feeling that's gripping me right now.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 06:02 | 1442934 Yen Cross
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 Spain and Ireland better go DSK in Manhattan before its too late. That must be good for another 3 Trillion...? Alice in Wonderland...All Aboard!!!


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