Europe's Horrendous Liquidity Just Got Even Worse (And Nonexistent In Spain)

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Wed, 06/09/2010 - 12:05 | 403403 homersimpson
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When Ben announces that he pooped before his meeting, does the market go up 100 points, too?

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 12:27 | 403473 firstdivision
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Of course it does.  If he poops, then he is able to run from the congressional meeting back to his comp that is currently idle with FXPro asking for Y Ben, there is no Yes button.

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 12:44 | 403527 Sudden Debt
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It depends on the kind of paper that he uses to whipe his ass after it.

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 13:43 | 403696 debauch
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No.  Pooing is deflationary because it consumes toilet paper currency.

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 14:40 | 403899 Missing_Link
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Yes, because when he poops, he poops MONEY, BITCHEZ!

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 15:26 | 404068 Rusty_Shackleford
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Wed, 06/09/2010 - 12:15 | 403407 homersimpson
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Wed, 06/09/2010 - 12:06 | 403408 mule65
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DOW 10,000!  Wow!

Oh wait, we did this 11 years ago.  Nevermind.


Wed, 06/09/2010 - 12:25 | 403461 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 10,000    Hahaha!

Very good!

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 12:45 | 403528 Sudden Debt
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That's what they mean with: PARTY LIKE IT'S 1999!

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 12:10 | 403414 Attitude_Check
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This is the result of the "flight-safety" trade into the $.  Although why anyone would consider the $ safe-haven anymore baffles me.  I guess it is the human instinct to fall-back on what worked the last-time when in severe stress.


I'm waiting for a big slug of US bonds to be sold during this period, THEN a massive QE 2.0 initiated without warning!

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 12:22 | 403450 JLee2027
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How can QE 2.0 just happen? It requires Congress to vote on a bill, remember?   

It won't happen, they're all running scared of the Tea Party.

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 12:27 | 403470 DoChenRollingBearing
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I dunno Jlee. 

I think that the Dems are either clueless or want our economy to go down bad (to rebuild it in their Socialist vision) or BOTH.

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 13:27 | 403648 Heavy
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I would agree with the sometimes stated idea that a change, if you will, in the nature of the global monetary system is likely within the next decade.  I would not worry that such a change would be from neo-Keynesian to socialism (some say communism), nor would I worry that it would be sparked by an economic failure engineered by the Dems.  I would worry that we go from neo-Keynesian to something more corporate, less transparent, more disparate, more global (or simi-global (East v West 1984 style anyone?)).  The end of the dollar as world reserve currency (which was initially achieved by militaryactions), would seem to be more likely every day.   The forces of physics would seem to be a more likely culprit for the ultimate social actions that end the current paradigm.

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 17:56 | 404521 DoChenRollingBearing
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duplicate post, sorry.

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 17:55 | 404523 DoChenRollingBearing
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I have proven many times that I am a lousy predictor of the future.

So many variables at play...

Maybe probability can give us some clues.

Still, I see no logic among the Keynesians since it seems an open and shut case that it has not worked, making things worse in fact.

Fri, 06/11/2010 - 14:43 | 408622 Heavy
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Agreed...with all but the first one, just being human makes you one of the greatest known future predictors out there.

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 12:29 | 403481 Attitude_Check
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There are many way's to initiate QE 2.0 defacto without Congressional approval.  Not that it is actually Constitutional -- but that hasn't stopped them so far.  The majority of QE 1.0 was done without Congressional approval.  The TARP was a $700B misdirection.


The FED just needs to open up the $ swap lines with other central banks and flood the international market with loaned $'s to the other CB's and POOF instant QE 2.0 without a word to CONgress,

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 12:42 | 403520 JLee2027
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I don't believe that sorry. The money would have be created (printed) to do that, otherwise you're moving money

from one bucket to another. He can't print w/o approval.

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 12:46 | 403532 Teaser
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might want to check the facts on this...


He can't print w/o approval.



Wed, 06/09/2010 - 12:48 | 403540 taraxias
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He has, and he will again.

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 12:49 | 403542 Attitude_Check
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It was done already.  It is done all the time. It is being done now (at a low level).  Check out at the Fed website what $ swaps are.

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 13:10 | 403595 aaronvelasquez
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QE2 is being carried out through unlimited backstopping of Fannie and Freddie, dollar swaps, and let us not forget that TARP is a rolling total.  $700 billion was not a total, it was the cap on the amount outstanding at any one time.  



Wed, 06/09/2010 - 13:46 | 403706 tmosley
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Yeah, and we all know that Bernanke is above repute.

I mean, they've never been audited, but that is because they are SOOOOOOO trustworthy.  Surely they would never use their power to profit themselves and their friends.  Surely...

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 15:14 | 404024 Busy-Body
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The uninformed (and potentially even the ignorant) are welcomed at ZH.  This is, after all, a forum for learning.  That said, naivete' would be greatly discouraged and could best be remedied by a bit more research on your part.

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 12:36 | 403501 MayIMommaDogFac...
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How can QE 2.0 just happen?

By proxy...Just like it does everyday...

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 12:46 | 403533 Sudden Debt
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They made a macro in excel so it's going to go a lot faster now.

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 13:01 | 403577 Solarman
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They are not running to the dollar, they must buy back dollars as the carry is being unwound.  The same thing happens to the Yen.

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 12:11 | 403418 The Franchise
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Banco Santander, why do you vex me so? Why will you not drop under $8? Why, oh why.

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 13:23 | 403635 Screwloose
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It's a Columbian laundry.  Never short of cash.

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 12:13 | 403423 firstdivision
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Tyler, did the EURJPY & ES recouple before or after yesterdays ramp job?

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 12:14 | 403424 ZeroPower
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Is anyone else seeing pretty much nonexistent volume from around 1130 to present (1215). ES and SPY are trapped..

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 12:19 | 403439 Cheeky Bastard
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Tyler; only the regionals and the Cajas have the problem. 

Big banks are doing fine [probably overcollateralizing the REPOs, but have their borrowing operations run smoothly. Check the Cinco text again; its mentioned there]. Cajas and regional are locked out since no one is sure of the value of the collateral they hold on their balance sheets [since any effect of credit enhancement in form of governmental backing is effectively over with the downgrade].

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 12:29 | 403483 DoChenRollingBearing
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I had not heard that Cheeky re Spain's big banks being OK.

Thanks for that tidbit of news.  Going straight into my mental hopper (along with everything else) for more cogitation.

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 12:38 | 403500 Cheeky Bastard
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Cinco Dias article [the one linked here; the overcollateralization of REPOs by the big boys and the reason for inaccessibility by the regionals and Cajas are my thoughts]:

Elsewhere in the Spanish financial sector, newspaper Cinco Dias is reporting that second tier Spanish banks are being frozen out of the European interbank market and that only the largest institutions are managing to finance their operations smoothly, adding that the situation has worsened since the start of the week.  


Also Santander just did this:

Banco Santander announced this morning that it has agreed to acquire Bank of America's 24.9% stake in its Mexican unit, Grupo Financiero Santander ("Santander Mexico"), for $2.5 billion. Following the deal Santander's holding in Santander Mexico will amount to 99.9%. It is estimated that the transaction will have a positive impact of 1.3% on Santander's EPS from year one and a ROI of 15% from year three, based on market consensus estimates of Santander Mexico's earnings.


And you dont go into a buying spree if you have short term funding problems.

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 12:40 | 403515 ZeroPower
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Thanks for the info, haven't researched too much about Spain myself and now i know a bit more.  

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 13:18 | 403618 DoChenRollingBearing
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Santander buying B of A's stake there in Mexico is (I guess?) good news in that B of A is the bank which our family uses.

B of A no doubt needs that $2.5 bn...

I never got around to welcoming you back Cheeky, and I am indeed happy that you are better and back here posting most excellent pieces of overseas news.

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 13:49 | 403716 SwapThis
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You can go on a buying spree with short term funding problems if your backstopped and 'TBTF'

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 13:54 | 403739 Cheeky Bastard
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Yes; because the World is just that simple.

Do you actually grasp the utter stupidity you just displayed in your comment.



Wed, 06/09/2010 - 14:25 | 403847 Bonesetter Brown
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Cheeky, I had the same take on STD with the announcement of the BofA deal.

Then I remembered BofA did after all buy Countrywide and ML in 2008.  OK, so maybe one of them was a shotgun wedding, but still...

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 15:07 | 404011 Jonathan E
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To be fair, Santander is a world apart amongst Spanish banks. Certainly in terms of size and reach anyway.  It's the same old same old: the tiddlers get squeezed and frozen out and then gobbled up by the TBTFers.

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 14:55 | 403957 Tyler Durden
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Dont forget the news from Friday about BBVA and Santander not having access to CP. Nothing has changed there.

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 15:07 | 403983 Cheeky Bastard
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Jesus fucking Christ; I cant believe I forgot about that.

Yes; ditto. And I even left a lengthy comment underneath the article.

Well, then this Santander move is total idiocy [the original article is about BBVA, but yes it is indicatory of problems with CP.]

Then, could Santander use SM to gain access to CP market in SA and thus offset any potential deterioration in Europe. I would call this purchase of 2.5 billion of SM more of a hedge than investment.

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 12:19 | 403440 Spitzer
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Bernanke just said he doesn't understand the flight to gold. That's one for the archives...

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 12:20 | 403445 schoolsout
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He really said that?

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 12:26 | 403457 LeBalance
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That quote needs to be playing 24/7 next to the spill cams.

Side by side: WWE, CNBC, Spillcams, man dumping, BB gold WTF?.

The comment loop of our time. Pardon the man dumping does not belong, that's not tragic.

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 12:42 | 403522 MayIMommaDogFac...
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 Side by side: WWE, CNBC, Spillcams, man dumping, BB gold WTF?.

OMG.  I'm dyin' here.

+Nat'l Debt

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 12:56 | 403562 Ripped Chunk
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We have entered the realm of complete fantasy/fiction

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 14:49 | 403939 Muir
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"Bernanke just said he doesn't understand the flight to gold. That's one for the archives..."


Yes, he did.

and I turned off the tv right after that.

Wed, 06/09/2010 - 12:23 | 403455 JLee2027
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Bernanke said that?  OMG!

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