EURUSD Takes Out Lows After S&P Revises Outlook On Belgian Community Of Flanders To Negative, Takes Stocks With It

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Wed, 12/15/2010 - 13:51 | 808534 TruthInSunshine
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Oh no!

Ireland, Portugal, even Spain & Italy, I can see...


...not Belgium!!!!!!!!!

S&P is racist!!!

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 14:53 | 808775 dlmaniac
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They need to make PIIGS scream in order for investors to stick with TBonds, racism or not.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 13:53 | 808545 DoChenRollingBearing
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Well that was a fast decline in the Euro. 

All of this volatility in fiats reminds those of us who do NOT trade (against the robots) that really the only safe place to be is with a nice holding of precious metals.

I am not saying ¨all in¨.  5% - 10% is reasonable by almost anyone´s standards.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 14:09 | 808603 bankrupt JPM bu...
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90% silver, 1% gold, 1% potash, 8% cash to buy more PM's

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 15:33 | 808938 merehuman
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I replied to you before DoChenRollingBearing on a previous thread but was 503d on submittal of comment. In case this gets posted...Get out while you still can. Tantamount to leaving germany (my country once) during Hitlers time. I know i would rather be in Peru than the US or germany. Its all about family. You are furtunate to have such, get safe and be well friend.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 17:38 | 809528 DoChenRollingBearing
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merehuman, muchas gracias for your reply!  I am late getting back because I had some ¨work¨ to do today here in Peru.

Peru IS booming, and ever since my farewell pitty-pat (not too bad, but still...) by our pals at TSA, my wife and I have re-opened the idea of moving here.

But, I am not ready to put up with it all down here just yet.  They cut the water off in our sector of Lima for almost the whole day on Monday (no shower...).  And I have family in the USA as well.

One thing I AM GOOD at, my friend, is looking out for No. 1!  Just ask any of my real acquaintances, they´ll tell you I am a selfish bastard (in nicer words).  LOL.

You take care too!

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 13:54 | 808550 Xibalba
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Wed, 12/15/2010 - 13:55 | 808551 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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Oh no, now they're after tin tin.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 13:55 | 808554 ZeroPower
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Whole week has been a see-saw in the EURUSD since that rally which somehow hit 1.35.

Regardless, after 13180 breaks (thurs? fri?) we'll hopefully be set for June lows...

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 13:57 | 808564 Hondo
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Common sense tells you the Union can't last....the politians are spouting lies and deception to try and prolong the suffering of the people.  Eventually it WILL collapse and it won't make much difference how much debt is issued by whom (and soon to be defaulted on).  The end game in these things are always very clear from the start...only human nature try to bluff through them and make matters geometrically worse.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 13:59 | 808569 RobotTrader
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Keep in mind "The Formula"

Dow 12,500 = Gold $1,650

Dow 9,000 = Gold $1,000


Wed, 12/15/2010 - 14:25 | 808680 Xibalba
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Dow 3,000 = Gold $3,000

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 14:37 | 808719 SheepDog-One
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Wed, 12/15/2010 - 15:20 | 808880 ZeroPower
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Ill take the other side of that. Not because i don't think gold is a good investment (i am on ZH after all...) but because the demand for all non-essential commodities will halt should the recession peak its head back up assuming a much lower (and realistic) equity market.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:15 | 809174 IQ 145
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 Peek. peek its head back up. and b.) gold is not a non-essential commodity. It isn't any kind of commodity. This isn't that difficult to suss out; you could look it up.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:16 | 809183 IQ 145
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 It's not a formula; it's just some arbitrary numbers that someone wrote; why would I want to keep it in mind?

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:40 | 809290 Marley
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That's a great movie.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 14:00 | 808572 TWORIVER
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Maybe wmBanzai7 can incorporate Ned Flanders into this piece somehow. Thanks in advance.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 14:11 | 808610 mikla
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Belgium just stopped by, and looked like it was having a good day (like every day before).

It liked running uncovered, with the cool air on its hot loins.

In fact, it often ran uncovered.

Unfortunately, mean old S&P is giving it a good talking-to right now.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 14:16 | 808642 TWORIVER
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Thank you, Mikla. Very nice.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 14:38 | 808724 SheepDog-One
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Good stuff!

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 14:05 | 808581 Manipulism
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Is this fuck real?

This is 1933 in Germany.

Should be namend iNaziApp.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 14:08 | 808595 tmosley
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Wed, 12/15/2010 - 14:09 | 808602 Rodent Freikorps
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Orwell was an optimist.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 14:11 | 808613 Manipulism
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No, a man with no fantasie.

Total untalented.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 14:38 | 808727 SheepDog-One
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Whens that 4th Reich IApp comin out??

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 14:45 | 808748 AnAnonymous
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It reads like Heinlein's Starship Troopers.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 14:50 | 808760 the not so migh...
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amazing, we have a isnitch


Wed, 12/15/2010 - 14:50 | 808762 Id fight Gandhi
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Everyone here should install it and report garbage. People and groups you don't like.its all good.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 14:58 | 808789 Problem Is
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"I want to report TSA terrorists at airport."

That one is factual Id fight Gandhi...

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 15:41 | 808982 merehuman
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i want to report my neighbor put his garbage out early. Suspicious behavior.

What..? No reward?

By the way, i read a report this am re a fella was shot by police for holding a garden hose. A good neighbor(busybody) called it in.

Should i be afraid to get my mail? glad i am in a small town, away from nuts and thieves.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:22 | 809203 IQ 145
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 There were people who had a sense of humor in Berlin too; for awhile. And then they weren't there anymore. It's so hard to tell exactly where we are on that slippery slope.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 14:53 | 808777 greenbear
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Yeah, and What's His Face is Time magazine's Man of the Year. 


There is no such thing as a conspiracy, only coincidence.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 14:54 | 808783 greenbear
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Yeah, and What's His Face is Time magazine's Man of the Year. 


There is no such thing as a conspiracy, only coincidence.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:19 | 809193 IQ 145
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 Oh Gag. I think I have to throw up now.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 14:03 | 808583 Dick Darlington
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In these retarded govt sponsored and banking cartel controlled "markets" this must be very positive for Belgium. Just look at spanish govt bonds today. Moody's (who?) revised the outlook on Spain to negative this morning. After initial outright widening of roughly 10 bps throughout the curve, miracle happened! Intraday reversal to the tune of 15-20 bps just like that and closing nicely tighter vs yday. But who cares, both are insolvent and that's the only thing one needs to know. Position yourself accordingly.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 14:04 | 808584 Sudden Debt
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Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:27 | 809227 IQ 145
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 I want to go and see the derelict steel mills that are rusting away, and the drunken street prostitutes outside the beer taverns; can this be arranged on a standard tourist junket?

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 17:43 | 809552 DoChenRollingBearing
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For 200 Euros, sure!

Sudden Debt may have friends in low places...

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 14:04 | 808585 Rodent Freikorps
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"through Flanders, Portugal and Spain..."


Wed, 12/15/2010 - 14:04 | 808586 dlsamg
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Ben will not let the stock market fall.  99% of people don't know what the heck FX or bonds are. They know the DOW and the Nasdaq. So that's all Ben has to keep pumped up. It's about animal spirits and wealth effect. Bought the dip last night and got out at 1238 and I'm buying this dip. Buy every 10 point dip in the S&P eminis. Ben will reward you.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 14:23 | 808670 plocequ1
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This is correct. Watching analysts  and economists analyse the fictitious bond market and FX is way beyond my attention level. This is all you need to know. When the market sees red, The fed presses the Ass button and the market goes up. Everything else is fluff.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 14:35 | 808714 sheep92
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This will be true but only in the end game.  We are not there yet.  At that time gold will really go.  Right now we are still in 'normal' mode where the markets are functional.  If monetization were in full swing gold would not be down nor would EM stocks.  There is huge risk in equities right now.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 14:39 | 808730 SheepDog-One
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Ben will tank the markets when its time.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 14:44 | 808743 sheep92
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While Ben has unlimited ammo, he has sort of hamstrung himself with how it is deployed. The politics of the situation are not going to allow for anything more than he has already signed up for until the next 'crisis' hits. Ben played his cards poorly.  Had he done a 'shelf registration' to buy back a trillion in bonds but not really executed he could have drawn out the bond exodus a lot lot longer.  As it is, he may have accelerated the flight from fixed income.  He needed a good trader next to him to help execute his academic strategy.  This could get very ugly very fast.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 15:04 | 808817 sschu
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... This could get very ugly very fast ...

I tend to agree.  I thought Bennie was going to try to keep rates low and drive the market higher?  The Bernanke Put as it were ....

My guess is he will need a bigger hammer, not sure how big or the method of wielding such a tool, but I can imagine Bennie has some plans.  The Fed will not surrender to the bond vigilantes and PM market without a fight.



Wed, 12/15/2010 - 17:46 | 809567 DoChenRollingBearing
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sschu, I agree.  This seemingly stable market and system we have is actually much more rickety and unstable than it appears.  All we need is ¨an event¨:

-- Israel and/or US attack Iran

-- NKs go at SK

-- China dumps bonds

-- my fat neighbor just dumps

Etc.  Prepare accordingly.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 14:09 | 808597 TruthInSunshine
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There is a run on Waffle House.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 14:09 | 808605 UncleBen
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Flanders was downgraded? Hi-dilly ho, Bankrupt-a-reenos...

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 14:09 | 808606 sheep92
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One thing that seems pretty clear is that the bond market is going to keep going down until it does some serious damage to the equity market.  Emerging market equities are the first to feel the brunt. 

Collapsing bond markets usually give rise to events....

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