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On The Eve Of The European Stress Tests: A Q&A With Goldman Sachs On Tomorrow's Prime Time Event

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As the world focuses its attention on Europe where tomorrow at 4pm GMT (the idea of an earlier release was scrapped)  the results of Stress Test version Europe will be released, there are two types of pundits: those who know the tests are weak and have been designed by the very banking system they are presumably supposed to test, yet due to billions of dollars in vested interest are preparing to put on a cheerleading show that would leave the Laker girls green with envy; then, there are those who know the tests are weak and have been designed by the very banking system they are presumably supposed to test, and as a result refuse to even look at them due to advance knowledge they are nothing but a systematic farce which should achieve nothing, yet will likely provide a sufficient excuse for those who lift every offer regardless of cost to send the market to A. Joseph Cohen giddyness levels (at least if our own experience with stress testikng is any indication). Needless to say, we fall in the latter category, and would be more than happy to deconstruct these tests, if only the criteria were publicly known in advance! So for those who actually do pretend to care, here is a Q&A with Goldman Nick Kojucharov in which the Goldman analyst discusses the ins and outs of the Stess Test. And since it has been leaked that the only bank which will fail is Germany's permabankrupt Hypo (even as the Cajas, Landesbanks and Greek aluminum shacks with a backyard vault and a repo line to the ECB, all pass), the only part of the Goldman report that caught our eye was the following: "There is obviously the risk that if too many banks pass and do so with a comfortable margin, the test may be judged as too easy to have actually been informative about the strength of the banking system, and markets may not draw any new comfort or optimism from the exercise."

Instead of listening to the idiots on TV, we will instead keep a close eye out on LIBOR, Euribor and EONIA: these will present a far better picture of true state of affairs in Europe than any farce of a test ever could.

From Goldman Sachs: "On the eve of the bank stress tests"

 

 


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Thu, 07/22/2010 - 15:51 | Link to Comment NOTW777
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"There is obviously the risk that if too many banks pass and do so with a comfortable margin, the test may be judged as too easy"

yeah but those who believe the tests are "too easy" dont control the markets 

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 15:58 | Link to Comment Tarheel
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interesting to see how the big boys get info sooner than the rest of us. I think thats what happened at 3:25pm today

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 17:20 | Link to Comment carbonmutant
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 It's the kind of thing that give trailing stops a bad name...

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 15:59 | Link to Comment NOTW777
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enough to save 1088; eurobanks will be fabulous

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:14 | Link to Comment Boozed
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Unfortunately for all of us, the banks will pass the tests and of course the markets will move higher. The last few lemmings in this market will pay the ultimate price for their folly by not knowing when to get out. When the first dominoe falls the chain reaction will be evident. As long as Bernanke Bucks are free, the illusion continues.

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 22:24 | Link to Comment barkingbill
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so which is it then? continued illusion or falling dominoes?

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:28 | Link to Comment wiskeyrunner
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This is such a fraud. Look folks the banks are ok, see we tested them.

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:34 | Link to Comment PlausibleDenial
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Thu, 07/22/2010 - 18:09 | Link to Comment Goldenballs
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All the banks have passed the stress tests,the Faroe Islands will win the next World Cup,President Obama is a good President,the Depression is over,Elvis works in our local Supermarket,etc,etc,etc,...................

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 18:33 | Link to Comment Youri Carma
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RECAP STRESSTEST: Who got stressed? The stressed “little Timmy” Geithner stressed that his stress test wasn't about bank nationalization. Still the stock owners got stressed.

Although “Stress test” may seem an interesting term but boiled down it’s nothing more than a biding time gimmick. Even Bernanke himself said: “The outcome of the stress test is not going to be fail or pass." Bernanke’s testimony on Fed’s monetary policy http://www.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE51N3Q520090224?virtualBrandChannel=10480&sp=true

The U.S. banks are insolvent and that was the main reason why the stress test definitely couldn't be "a solvency test." The U.S. was the big pot calling the kettle black in urging Europe for a "stress test" which in fact, in the American version, was merely a biding time - jurist mind - word gimmick. Geithner cunningly was able to avoid the "bad bank" ditch in which the Germans, be it shortly, seem to be digging themselves. The Germans took this "stress test" far too seriously (as Germans always take everything very serious) and they were about to actually expose themselves with this "bad bank/slush fund" idea which was immediately rejected by Geithner after he discovered that this would expose them to as much as $4 trill in the public eye. But the Germans together with Europe  discovered this "bad bank" ditch too and also opted for the same biding time "stress test" word gimmick which, again, was "no solvency test" in the Timmy Geithner version.

Quote From Max Keiser: "Remember that if you are at a Poker table and you don't know who the chump is, you're the chump!"

"Bad Bank idea would would probably be "very expensive," costing as much as $4 trillion", 4 February 2009, by Robert Schmidt (Bloomberg) http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=adjCyH0MJKQk


Goldman’s Hatzius Says Fed Balance Sheet Could Hit $4 Trillion, 25 August  2009 by Thomas R. Keene and Liz Capo McCormick (Bloomberg) http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=awWsNf0zRkYY

 

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 21:19 | Link to Comment metastar
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Lets get China to stress test the European banks! We need a non-western stress tester.

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 21:29 | Link to Comment scratch_and_sniff
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Its like this. If euro banks fail the ST's then we dump for same old fears, at the same time if most euro banks pass then we dump because test was too easy. So paradoxically, the only way out of this is if a convincing amount of banks fail, and if Brussels already know this is the case in advance, then long euro it is... so long euro it is then.

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 22:15 | Link to Comment Privatus
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Ponzi pudwhackery.

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 23:56 | Link to Comment Pez
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Hurry, hurry, hurry! Step right up and see:

We will not see the likes of this orchestrated event since the Pay per view steel cage match that pitted Hulk Hogan against Randy "Macho Man" Savage (with the lovely Elisabeth). Jim McMahon are you behind this?

Fri, 07/23/2010 - 06:54 | Link to Comment wiskeyrunner
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This should put to rest the big head & shoulder top formations in the indexes. Get ready for much higher indexes as we near the fall elections. Yes folks it's all a rigged show, don't sit this one out make some free money BUY SP 500 INDEX FUTURES.

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