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Everything You Need to Know About Torture
Here is a succinct executive summary of everything you know about torture:
Yes, Waterboarding IS Torture
- President Obama, Attorney General Eric Holder, Malcolm Nance (an advisor on terrorism to the US departments of Homeland Security, Special Operations and Intelligence), Lt. Gen. Michael D. Maples
(the director of the Defense Intelligence Agency) and many other
interrogation experts and high-level politicians say that waterboarding
is torture
- The United States has always considered waterboarding to be a crime of torture, including when the Japanese did it in WWII (and see this)
- Everyone claiming waterboarding is not torture has changed their tune as soon as they were exposed to even a small dose of it themselves. See this, this and this
It Wasn't Only Waterboarding
- Major General Antonio Taguba: Photos Show Sodomy, Rape and Sexual Assault With Wire and Various Blunt Instruments
- "The
Sexual Humiliation Of Iraqi Prisoners…Was Not An Invention Of Maverick
Guards, But Part Of A SYSTEM Of Ill-Treatment And Degradation"
Children, Too
No, Torture Does NOT Make Us Safer
- One of the Military's Top Interrogators Says Torture Cost Hundreds 'If Not Thousands' Of American Lives
The Insanity of What Actually Happened
- One
of the Main Sources for the 9/11 Commission Report was Tortured
Until He Agreed to Sign a Confession that He Was NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO
READ
- 9/11
Mastermind: "During ... My Interrogation I Gave A Lot Of False
Information In Order To Satisfy What I Believed The Interrogators
Wished To Hear"
- The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) - who led the 9/11 staff's inquiry - recently said: "The CIA tapes of the interrogations were destroyed. The story of 9/11 itself, to put it mildly, was distorted and was completely different from the way things happened"
Other Relevant Facts
- Former Navy Judge Advocate General Admiral John Hutson said that "Torture is the technique of choice of the lazy, stupid and pseudo-tough"
Should We Prosecute?
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You'll never see that. It doesn't fit the agenda.
nmewn,
I will change yesterday's post. You should know, however, that it will take me about 10 minutes, because I have to manually add breaks between every paragraph every time I revise anything ...
George,
The time to edit it, was when you say you edited your blog or this morning or last night when it was still at the top of the ZH page or even before you "found time" to post another article.
And I do understand it is sometimes difficult to hold oneself to the same standard that is set for others...it really doesn't matter now does it, until someone points it out, huh? ;-)
"Whose woods these are I think I know.
His house is in the village though;
He will not see me stopping here
To watch his woods fill up with snow.
My little horse must think it queer
To stop without a farmhouse near
Between the woods and frozen lake
The darkest evening of the year.
He gives his harness bells a shake
To ask if there is some mistake.
The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.
The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
Robert Frost
nmewn
You really know how to make a mountain out of a molehill.
Well if George won't come to the mountain, I'll bring the mountain to George ;-)
I thought I was being helpful to the former adjunct professor turned private eye...he did say he would change it when "he got time" and then didn't when he did have time...still, he apparently had time to gather up material for another post to drive a little more traffic to his site.
I would have thought one whose stock & trade is posting about law, ethics & morality would have taken care of prior commitments first...I didn't respond to him there for a reason...I gave him the benefit of the doubt, first.
He flunked his exam.
By the looks of it, he also used some of that "time" to ring the class bell for "former students" to come to the junk-a-thon that followed on here.
And quite a class of bots it is, if I must say so myself.
Whadya say we keep the party going...the nano explosives were planted in the lobby by Mrs.Peacock while talking on a cell phone to terrorists working for the CIA who are nothing more than SEIU shape shifter double agents for Mossad...that about cover it?
What a bunch of moonbats...LOL.
SeeYa
nmewn
Correction you brought the molehill to GW. Just for the record I have never junked you or anybodyelse except the guy that advertises watches, handbags, ect.. Terrorists working for the CIA, oh that has never happened.
petty much?
"petty much?"
Yeah, he's a Fla. boy...LOL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUTXb-ga1fo
Typical and over used shit from the Idiot... trying to be funny.
Need a new shtick...9/11Moron!
DP,
I guess the Hudna between you and I is over...you should understand what this word means...and I mean really means, it does not mean peace.
We've been over this already...the only thing over used is your copy/paste BS.
Everything you truthers have said about 911 is a lie...unsubstantiated bullshit driven by an agenda...this is what happens when you start with a premise and try to build a conspiracy & the facts to support it...it falls apart.
At first truthers jumped all over the meme the Arabs spouting that it was Mossad suicide pilots...which was easily debunked and ridiculous on it's face.
The victims calling to people on the ground using cell phones describing muslims slitting peoples throats on the planes was real...truthers said they were faked...again by Mossad...starting to see a pattern here?
The buildings collapsed due to damage done by the planes impact and it started right where the planes hit...truthers said first it was C4 planted in the lobby...then throughout the buildings. When it was pointed out how much C4 it would take and how such quantities would be discovered in daily activities, they invented nano explosives as their answer. It still doesn't hold because amatuer jihadis pilots would have to have hit precisley where they were planted...another lie.
As support for these theories evaporated...it was WT7..."two planes three buildings". WT7 had back up generators for emergency power and fuel lines to feed them that had ruptured and were burning and had been for some time...firefighters could not go in because it to was damaged by debris...and finally it to collapsed.
Truthers said there was no plane that hit the Pentagon...yet eyewitnesses saw a passenger jet hit the Pentagon.
Finally...over a field in Pennsylvania Todd Beamer and others told us and showed us and our enemies how this type of attack would never happen again because if everyone on board is resigned to the 90% probabality they are going to die anyways they will take the only option left available.
You are a nutcase DP...a certifiable crackpot.
Your brain is hardwired to first believe the most outlandish hypothesis presented and then, when the facts accumulate against it to shift positions until you are cornered like a rat instead of re-thinking what you have been told or read.
You never stop to think who or why these theories are put forward. Is it to keep us at each others throats or is it the revenue from this specialized cottage industry that has sprung up around these conspiracies? I think it's the latter, all done on the backs of the dead and their surviving families.
Either way, you are a useful idiot.
Ciao.
I guess you've covered everything then. It's likely that nobody will ever know what happened that day. Didn't they take most of the wreckage from the towers and cart it off for recycling?
I'm sure that alone put a damper on anyone trying to investigate the scene from a forensics standpoint.
There is something in the way the towers fell that doesn't seem right to me. I can't say I know what happened either way though. We don't have enough solid evidence to prove anything. That is the problem that 'truthers' have to deal with (the term 'truther' is a wonderful example of newspeak in action: Truth is bad; freedom is slavery, war is peace; etc).
One thing is for sure: 9/11/01 will forever be a day shrouded in mystery, hooded in inscrutability, wrapped in ambiguity, and wearing a scarf made of bullshit.
All that concrete from THREE (3) buildings turned into a fine cloud of Talc dust! Must have been due to TheGravity of that magical day.
{Bull Shit... what you will find under nmewn's hat.}
And yet...you can't refute a thing I say, because it's all true.
Right down to the stunted and twisted little neurons in your skull trying to make some...any...connection with reality.
Good luck with that DP...LOL.
WTC 3,4,5,6 were still partially standing while WTC7 disintegrated into rubble, because of fuel tanks and lines in the lower floors according to you, yet it started imploding at the very top first and freefell in 6.5 seconds.
The 9/11Mor0n doth protest too much!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_umeCKLIU8&feature=related
It is now edited. You're welcome.
You're still a dishonest poster ... and a smug jackass to boot.
ad hominem
George is great you drunk fag now shut it!
GW is like the Bureau of Labor Statistics that releases great economic numbers and sneakily revises it downward a few months later in a press release that comes out at 3AM
Huh? Example, please?
"The likelihood of one individual being right increases in direct proportion to the intensity to which others are trying to prove him wrong." ~ James Mason in Heaven Can Wait (1978)
Keep doin what you are doin George.
I always thought waterboarding was something like a facial cleaning thing...
so you guys mean...
that after the waterboarding...
those guys are STILL not clean??!!
Lol. Its all part of exporting democracy and freedom.
New Zealand and Canada are both nice countries in which to live; depending on your climate tolerance; this is not a nice country.
Darwin, bitches.
What's the matter? R U untough?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKdck1OOM0
"I'm at piece, I'm the man
Buying stocks on the day of the crash
On the loose, I'm a truck
All the rolling hills, I'll flatten 'em out, yeah
It's herd behavior, uh huh
It's evolution, baby"
Having a conscience is much more difficult than being a sociopath. I'm guessing you'll just have to trust me on that one.
No climate is as hard to deal with as the people pretty much everywhere
Nuthin like the looking glass self up close and personal.
"...the looking glass..."
1915:
The crucial role of Hollywood in creating the web of illusions, delusions, fantasies, propaganda and outright lies which most Americans believe to be reality gets off to a perfect start with D.W. Griffith's blockbuster, The Birth of A Nation.
The Ku Klux Klan, in their white sheets and pointy hats, are the good guys, and sex-crazed black slaves are the bad guys.
In order to keep the inferior races out of the movie biz, the sex-crazed "niggers" are portrayed by right thinking honkies with boot polish on their faces.
President Woodrow “Making The World Safe For Hypocrisy” Wilson was a big fan of the Klan and of Griffith’s racist propaganda.
Wilson wrote in his History of the American People, "The white men were roused by a mere instinct of self-preservation....until at last there had sprung into existence a great Ku Klux Klan, a veritable empire of the South, to protect the Southern country."
After seeing Birth of a Nation at a special White House screening, Wilson gushed, "It is like writing history with lightning, and my only regret is that it is all so terribly true."
A Jew, Leo Frank, is accused of the rape and murder of a girl who worked in his factory in Georgia.
As usual, sensational newspaper accounts incite racist hatred and inflame public opinion against Frank.
After he is convicted at a dubious trial, Frank's appeals all the way to the Supreme Court are denied.
When the governor of Georgia commutes Frank's death sentence, a mob calling itself the Knights of Mary Phagan kidnaps Frank from prison and lynches him.
Try to guess how many of Frank's killers were tried for murder.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTl3IFgRr20
You mean listening to the Jacksons is torture?
Yes, but you must admit once you get past the subject matter it has a catchy beat.
Yay! More GW tripe for ZH.
When Bush and his team of sociopaths are put on trial for their war crimes this nation can begin to regain its moral and legal footing.
Thanks for trolling by!
And thank you for your implicit support of torture by calling this excellent post tripe.
Torture is depraved and evil.
The use of torture by the United States HAS TO STOP and the scum who approved it and did it punished.Severely punished.
The damage they have already done is incalculable...the manics have to be stopped!
The damage they have already done is incalculable...the manics have to be stopped!
THEN GET OFF YOUR ASS AND GO STOP 'EM.
They have shamed and done irreparable damage to this country by their depraved use of torture. That being said, I would make one time limited exceptions for people like Bush, cheny, Chertoff, Wolowitz, Richard pearl, a few notorious Goldman sachs alum and current employees - i want to know the truth on issues like these foreign wars, 911, the economic meltdown and general corruption on Wall Street -
double post for your double standards?
They have shamed and done irreparable damage to this country by their depraved use of torture. That being said, I would make one time limited exceptions for people like Bush, cheny, Chertoff, Wolowitz, Richard pearl, a few notorious Goldman sachs alum and current employees - i want to know the truth on issues like these foreign wars, 911, the economic meltdown and general corruption on Wall Street -
Savy, I'm fascinated with this point of view. "depraved use of torture" you say, then you say you'd torture selected individuals.
Didn't you read GW's posts? Or that expert GeofferyT? Don't you know that "torture" doesn't work. All of the experts say so, except for McCain (in his book), Doss, other denizens of the Hanoi Hilton.
- Ned
{if it weren't for your double standards, you'd have no standards at all}
You don't torture to get information, you torture in order to terrorize.
So waterboard them before trial and execution?
Hah! NO ONE expects the American Inquisition! :>(
Actual torture is a horrible and evil thing which I do not endorse. Waterboarding is NOT torture.
Every 8 year old who learns to swim gets to experience 'waterboarding'.
Grow up. The real world requires tough decisions sometimes.
Oh and GW's anti-american, liberal crap is in fact, tripe.
"Every 8 year old who learns to swim gets to experience 'waterboarding'.'
...and how about vaccinations killing children?...
http://seenoevilspeaknoevilhearnoevil.blogspot.com/2011/03/vaccines-cause-4-deaths-of-children.html
oooh oooh. let me follow through on this logic....
every woman that has had sex has been raped.
LOL @ HellFish - who has clearly never done SERE.
Every 8 year old gets held on their back and has water forced (under gravity) into their sinuses? You must have gone to a swim school run by Opus Dei or the Dominicans.
Everybody who has experienced 'friendly' waterboarding - even former skeptics like fucktard Hitchens and 'Mancow' Muller - knows how terrifying it is.
Note - in case you think that Mancow's waterboarding was a 'hoax': it started out as a publicity stunt, but the guy called it off after SIX SECONDS. And it was administered by a non-professional torturer.
Hitchens was done by pros, was softer than they do it at SERE, and Hitchens was a mess after eight seconds; funny how fucktard windbags change their minds when they confront the thing for real - you feel me, fake-boy?
Srsly dude - if I waterboarded you, you would be in mortal terror after five seconds, and you would die from cardiac arrest after a minute and a half (that's why the process has to stop every 45 seconds per the manual).
Take your hackneyed tropes-for-cowards and ram them up your ass so hard that your anal mucosa rip and you bleed out, you fucking waste of ejaculate. Or suit up and go play soldier with the rest of the economic refugees.
Cheerio,
GT
Every 8 year old who learns to swim gets to experience 'waterboarding'.
Now that's ignorance folks. Let's all give him a hand for sinking to new lows.
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