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F-35 Takes Inaugural Production Flight

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And now, we have a working F-35. Defensetech reports: "A new chapter in the history of U.S. Air Force fighters began
yesterday when the service’s fist production model F-35 Joint Strike
Fighter took to the skies at Lockheed’s Fort Worth, TX., facility for
the very first time. Yes, the program’s had its troubles and the
Marines’ B-model is nowhere near ready for production but this marks the
beginning of the program becoming an operational reality. This flight
paves the way for Air Force instructor pilots to start flying the jets
at Eglin Air Force Base, in Florida starting this May. This means,
believe or not, we’re finally going to see operational F-35s. Still,
it’s gonna be a while. The IOC date for the Air Force remains 2016." Luckily, it can now be deployed tomorrow... if need be.

And the official Lockheed Press Release:

The first production model of the Lockheed Martin F-35
Lightning II made its inaugural flight today in preparation for delivery
to the U.S. Air Force this spring. The jet will head to Edwards Air
Force Base, Calif., to support developmental testing shortly after the
Air Force takes delivery.

“The aircraft was rock-solid from takeoff to landing, and
successfully completed all the tests we put it through during the
flight,” said Lockheed Martin Test Pilot Bill Gigliotti. “The Air Force
is getting a great jet that represents a huge leap in capability, and
we’re looking forward to getting it into the hands of the service pilots
in just a few more weeks.”

During the flight, the conventional takeoff and landing (CTOL) F-35A
variant, known as AF-6, underwent basic flight maneuvering and engine
tests. Test Pilot Gigliotti took off from Naval Air Station Fort Worth
Joint Reserve Base at 3:05 p.m. CST and landed at 4:05 p.m. The jet will
continue flight tests in Fort Worth for about a month before it is
accepted by the Air Force.

The F-35A CTOL variant – designed to meet U.S. Air Force requirements
– is also the primary export version of the Lightning II. The air
forces of Italy, the Netherlands, Turkey, Canada, Australia, Denmark,
Norway and Israel will employ the F-35A.

Deliveries of the F-35B short takeoff/vertical landing variant to the
U.S. Marine Corps also begin this year, while deliveries of the F-35C
carrier variant to the U.S. Navy start in 2012. Seventeen F-35s have
entered testing since December 2006, and have logged more than 650
flights and numerous ground tests.

The F-35 Lightning II is a 5th generation fighter, combining advanced
stealth with fighter speed and agility, fully fused sensor information,
network-enabled operations and advanced sustainment. Lockheed Martin is
developing the F-35 with its principal industrial partners, Northrop
Grumman and BAE Systems.

Headquartered in Bethesda, Md., Lockheed Martin is a global security
company that employs about 132,000 people worldwide and is principally
engaged in the research, design, development, manufacture, integration
and sustainment of advanced technology systems, products and services.
The Corporation’s 2010 sales from continuing operations were $45.8


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Sat, 02/26/2011 - 16:12 | 1000170 snowball777
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This is you. This is you in a ball of fire. Any questions?

Lightnin', bitchez!

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 16:28 | 1000210 Azannoth
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Will they be used against American Partisans(living in the hills) or Tea Party demonstrators?

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 16:52 | 1000258 Pure Evil
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I dunno, lets storm Washington D.C. with our torches and pitchforks; all the while demanding that the corrupt criminals at the Eccles building be thrown out on their arses.

It seems we're only capable of re-electing criminals to the House, Senate and Presidency, but who elected the asshole in charge of the FED.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:16 | 1000317 Fish Gone Bad
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The plane is probably in full production in China.  Opium War III: The Payback.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 18:56 | 1000498 Harmonious_Diss...
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"Assembled" in the good ole' USSA

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 19:47 | 1000559 BigJim
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Bah. A cut-price, cut-feature F-22. So what?

Sun, 02/27/2011 - 00:25 | 1001044 Oh regional Indian
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Over-priced, over-engineered, over-hyped piece of engineering.

Was India's big Aero Show two weeks ago. Largest presence was USAUSA, f-18 doing loops for the audience. Eurofighter was there, Ruskis.... and all there wares looked the same and sad. 

No one can see that this paradigm of "war" machines is at it's limit... every incremental gain in "capability" is just plain EXPENSIVE.

Very interesting too, to look at salesmen selling killing machines, talking about kill zones and strike efficiency and spreads and  containment.

Oh, after the US, largest pavillion was the Israeli's. Know their largest display? Predator Drones. I saw at least 50 models. No surprise eh? Coward nation leads in making drones to kill.


Sun, 02/27/2011 - 03:17 | 1001262 Papi_Al-Mahdi
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spot on. The true purpose is exposed. 1984~ " The essential act of war is destruction, not neccessarily of human lives, but of human labor.... materials which might have otherwise be used to make the masses too comfortable, and hence in the long run, too intelligent. Even when the weapons of war are not actually desroyed, their manufacture is still a convenient way of expending labor power without producing anything that can be consumed.... Ultimately it is scrapped as obsolete, never having brought any material benefit to anybody.. the consequence of being at war, and therefore in danger, makes the handing-over of all power to a small caste seem the natural unavoidable condition of survival. War it will be seen, not only accomplishes the neccessary destruction but accomplishes it in a psychologically acceptable way. In Principle it would be quite simple to waste the surplus labor of the world by building temples and pyramids, by digging holes and filling them up again, or even by producing vast quanities of goods and then setting fire to them. But this would provide only the economic and not the emotional basis for a hierarchical society."

Sun, 02/27/2011 - 10:58 | 1001543 Flakmeister
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Tell us what you really think.. Don't suger coat it.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 16:52 | 1000262 snowball777
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We just wanted them to see their tax dollars at work, honest.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 21:08 | 1000656 Judge Judy Scheinlok
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Now that you saw it you must agree that they are a little dated. Let's manufacture 300 of them and send them to Israel so we can roll out the F-36. Makes sense.

All in favor say Ai.

Ai che wa-wa!

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:43 | 1000378 pacu44
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No, no... That is what drones are for...

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 18:06 | 1000416 snowball777
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Just for "stragglers".

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:50 | 1000392 A_MacLaren
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Depends if they are being flow by:

A.  Puppet Pilots, or

B.  Patriot Pilots.

Sun, 02/27/2011 - 11:29 | 1001572 FeralSerf
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Sat, 02/26/2011 - 16:33 | 1000223 Yen Cross
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COOL! In a smokin HOT way!

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 23:23 | 1000928 Zero Govt
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America is a 'safer' place for the F35 ...the rest of the World likely not!

Let's hear it for "democratic government" that bombs places abroad with murderous regularity just because it can and can get away with it.

I notice the United Nations and its Human Rights Dept has its nickers in a twist over Kadaffi bombing a few of his own citizens, how noble of these diplomatic useless wasters... strangely mute for these windbags about what's been going on in Iraq and Afghan for oh, about 10 years???  

And Obumma has said any elite killing its own citizens should "leave". Presumably bombing other peoples citizens is alright then. Have you met your foreign policy yet Mr Obumma? 

Sun, 02/27/2011 - 01:38 | 1001141 Bolweevil
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No junking without a coherent (or ad hominem) response. +1 ZeroGovt

Sun, 02/27/2011 - 17:41 | 1002176 BigJim
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You seem to get junked even when you talk sense. Strange.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 16:15 | 1000177 gwar5
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So, is Charlie Sheen going to be an F-35 instead of an F-18 now? Can't hardly wait.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 16:44 | 1000244 snowball777
Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:49 | 1000393 Yen Cross
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That extremely long fuselage would be helpful. He needs to install hi-bipass turbofans though.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 18:50 | 1000493 Real Estate Geek
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From the article:

The cases are being prosecuted in a New York federal court because some of the cocaine was supposed to have been sent to the United States.



Sun, 02/27/2011 - 11:59 | 1001599 Antipodeus
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DC 2 1/2


Sat, 02/26/2011 - 16:18 | 1000181 duo
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"Negative Ghostrider, the pattern is full."

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 16:41 | 1000238 snowball777
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I thought that's why we made the STVOL version.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:57 | 1000406 New_Meat
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"Yes, the program’s had its troubles and the Marines’ B-model is nowhere near ready for production..."

IOC="Initial Operational Capability."  That is years away in practical sense (deployable units).

Marines no fools.  They'll let the zoomies crash and then make sure the bird is actually flyable before trying to do unnatural acts with the STOL version.

- Ned

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 18:14 | 1000435 snowball777
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These are the same Marines that are okay with 'copters that fall out of the sky weekly?

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 19:10 | 1000515 New_Meat
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OK, now ya gotta go into the corner and fuck yourself.  There is no OK, and yes, real recognition that flying crowd killers are just that.

but don't worry, while you're in the corner, no one in the world will be interested to watch.  eeewwww.

Where did you get weekly?

- Ned

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 21:29 | 1000680 snowball777
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If I could do that, would I be here? ;)

Weekly is hyperbole, but you can find pages upon pages of Google hits on the accidents...the only difference being the number killed in each crash.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 20:45 | 1000633 DosZap
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Yep, same tough SOB's..........wanna ride?

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 20:18 | 1000596 Yen Cross
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V-STOL. Thanks 777. Always a respectful player.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 21:34 | 1000690 snowball777
snowball777's picture OV transposition was a result of my stellar typing skillz.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 16:21 | 1000187 Rodent Freikorps
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Bring back the F-22.

F35 is what you'd expect of an aircraft made by committee.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 16:52 | 1000263 Pure Evil
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I agree, the F-22 Raptor would out fight the F-35 any day of the week.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:06 | 1000287 Jasper M
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Agreed. It's a "Gary Hart" fighter. Stealthy, and (relatively) cheap, but badly outmatched if found. I have heard it referred to as a "bomb truck".

Oh, well, our forefathers managed with P-40s for awhile. 

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:30 | 1000347 Pure Evil
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And, we started the WWII with Shermans against German Panzers and Tigers.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:40 | 1000366 Flakmeister
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umm... more like Grants and Lees against PzKw IVs

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:42 | 1000375 Cpl Hicks
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We started with Grants! We ended with Shermans. A Tiger or Panther was thought to be worth 10 Shermans; the Allies usually had 11 or so Shermans around when it counted.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:46 | 1000387 Flakmeister
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Quibble: SOP was 5 Shermans to a Panther

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:53 | 1000401 PY-129-20
Sat, 02/26/2011 - 18:15 | 1000436 Flakmeister
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Always had a weakness for the Jagdpanther

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 22:59 | 1000881 optimator
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And I'd have guessed it would be for the Virblewind (Whirlwind).  You know, the Panzer IV rebuilt with the quad 20mm rapid fire AA cannon?

Sun, 02/27/2011 - 18:52 | 1001103 Flakmeister
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Yeah...I could see how you might ;-)     Gimme an 88 though

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 18:15 | 1000438 66Sexy
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corpral.. your just a grunt... no offense

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 19:15 | 1000520 New_Meat
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"just a grunt"

+0311 and 11B

66, you might be messing around in zones where your posts, well, get you in Dutch.

- Ned

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 22:34 | 1000831 Terminus C
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Actually it was air superiority that made the Sherman "somewhat" useful as a tool of war.  My grandfather was a tank commander in Normandy and he said that the only advantage the Sherman had over the Tigers and Panthers was that you could shoot while moving and they had to stop to shoot.  When they stopped you got the fuck out of there.

Shermans were good infantry support, particularly against fortified positions but it was air power that broke the panzer's back

Sun, 02/27/2011 - 12:25 | 1001626 Antipodeus
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And 1/11 when it finished? Britain used your Lee/Grants, espedially in N. Africa, before Pearl Harbour.  Inadequate riveted armour, poor cross-counyrt performance (compared to something like the Panther, radio in the hull (along with extra crewman, limited-traverse sponson-mounted main gun, high silhouette.  A fairly poor bastard of a design, but a very welcome addition to the 8th Army's firepower.


Sat, 02/26/2011 - 18:02 | 1000411 New_Meat
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"It's a "Gary Hart" fighter."

Actually Boyd and gang.  Hart was aboard "Monkey Business" with Donna Rice and telling the press "catch me if you can."

They could and did.

P-40s?, SBDs?, Torpedo 8?, Bombing 8?, well, those forefathers sorta' didn't manage very well.

- Ned

Sun, 02/27/2011 - 01:51 | 1001156 Dave
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I wonder where Donna is now?

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 16:20 | 1000188 user2011
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I thought F-35 sucks.  Isn't there an evaluation report from Australian saying " it can't run, it can't climb and it can't fight", when they mock dog fights with latest Chinese and Russian fighers ?


Sat, 02/26/2011 - 16:30 | 1000217 Dagny Taggart
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But it looks really cool taking off and landing.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:19 | 1000325 user2011
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The original X-35 can take off and land vertical.  There was a PBS documentary about the X-35 development program.   Boeing were competing with Lockeed Martin for the F-35 program.    But now when I look at the latest spec's,   only one version of the F-35 will be landing vertically and take off with short runway .   All version will need runway for both landing and take off.  

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:32 | 1000350 Pure Evil
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Not the Marines. The Marines have a requirement for vertical takeoff and landing and that is why the report said "the Marines’ B-model is nowhere near ready for production".

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 20:42 | 1000626 nonclaim
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But it [f-35] looks really cool taking off and landing.

Now compare to the magesty of this f-22 take-off ... [26 sec]

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 22:18 | 1000802 Dagny Taggart
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Yes, that is far more cool. Thanks.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:27 | 1000343 b_thunder
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U R 100% correct.  This plane is at least  0.5 "generations"  behind F-22.  Since US AF is going to the cheapest bidder for everything (from aerial refueling tankers, to fighter planes, to outourced IT help), they've decided to kill F22 program in favor of this cheaper "pig" of a plane.

F-22 was the only fighter that seriously worried Russians, and by extension everyone else who was getting Russian surface-to-air misslis (China, Iran, Syria.)

Not only Russians are 100% confident they can bring down any variant of F35 that is/going to be built, but their own 5th Generation fighter planes are vastly superior.  So, from being the undisputed leader in terms of air power with F22, and at least 1.5 decades ahead of everyone else, from now on the US AF is going to be 3rd-rate...

Oh, and by the way, those F35s will be delivered waaaaaayyy over the promised budget.   But i bet some retired 4-star general who pulled some strings and got the AF to switch to this pig will have very nice living as non-executive chairman of some defense contractor that makes parts for this "pig."



Sat, 02/26/2011 - 18:05 | 1000415 New_Meat
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"Since US AF is going to the cheapest bidder for everything..."

'twere always this way: "10,000 parts flying in loose formation, each one supplied by the low bidder."

and, please, stop insulting Pigs with this A/C.  Thank you in advance.

- Ned

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 19:10 | 1000514 user2011
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Hmmm..... I read it somewhere that F-22 is not that much better off per sey.    F-22 has a very short range.    It requires ten's of hours of maintainence for every 1 hour of flying.   There is a problem with the anti-radar coating of the plane that need very frequent maintainence.    To minmize the radar signature, the material on F-22 can't stand much of the damages.   Once you got hit, F-22 may be in more trouble than other fighters.

   People are raising doubt about the practicality of the F-22.   It has never seen any military action for more than 10 years of productions.  

   Search youtube for "F-22 or F-25 sucks" video. 

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 23:03 | 1000902 optimator
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No more dog fights, air to air will be decided by beyond visual range missiles.  Stealth will eventually be overcome by newer radars.  Performance is reduced by stealthly designs.

Sun, 02/27/2011 - 18:34 | 1002303 Andre
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OMG. You just channelled Robert McNamara giving the rationale for the design of the F4.

A rationale that got a lot of good aircrew killed by MIG-17's and MIG-21's.

Sun, 02/27/2011 - 18:41 | 1002321 RECISION
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And you know nothing about the current state of air to air combat, let alone new missile tech or ground to air systems.

The game has changed. 

I would keep my mouth shut if I were you.

Sun, 02/27/2011 - 21:50 | 1002663 Andre
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1. As I said, we have made this decision before,  and it got a lot of people killed.

2. NOBODY knows the real state of major power vs major power air combat. All we know is what we think. There has not been a real fight where both sides had considerable ECM/ECCM resources since the Cold War.

If you have something you know, say it or provide the links. Appeals to "authority" don't work very well on thinking people. If it did, ZH among many sites would not exist.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 16:21 | 1000191 cossack55
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But can it engage UFOs hiding behind the moon?  Al Quaida my ass.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:04 | 1000284 knukles
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Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:35 | 1000357 Pure Evil
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Yes it can.

But, I seriously doubt it can engage the one's hiding behind Mars.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 16:22 | 1000197 Lord Vader
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I'm guessing the bill for the F35 was paid with fiat money?  Let me get this straight - money is created out of thin air and then used to buy real stuff to kill people with?  Amazing.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:45 | 1000381 Cpl Hicks
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Oh, and you paid for your Death Star with gold and silver, right?

Meaning no disrespect, there, Lord Vader...

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 20:33 | 1000615 Math Man
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You can't eat an F-35.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 16:30 | 1000214 Atomizer
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Nice plane however, better shit will be released soon. This model is to sell to other nations. MIC likes aftermarket sales.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 16:33 | 1000224 Rodent Freikorps
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Like the F5? I seriously hope we don't pollute our military with too many of these dogs.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:02 | 1000281 Atomizer
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Old design anew. Can you see?

Harrier Jet Demostration

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:48 | 1000390 Cpl Hicks
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Harrier was basically a proof of concept; no legs, no loiter, low load. Typical British product.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 16:37 | 1000229 mrdenis
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OK now lets have a fly by over Madison ........make my day sukahs '

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 19:38 | 1000548 ZakuKommander
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Thank you, Governor Walker.  Love your avatar!  

(sarcasm tag for mouth breathers)

Going to go OT.  A post earlier also suggested they would be used against tea party demonstrators, and now someone suggests that WI demonstrators might be cowed with these jets.  Tea party and WI demonstrators are by and large regular people who are struggling to make ends meet.  As have Tunisians, Egyptians, Libyans, etc., recognized, and Americans are slowly but surely learning, it's the People, not parties, not the rich, not the pols, and not the big bucks, that should lead the country.  Dividing the People into warring factions is the oldest trick in the book of TPTB.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 16:40 | 1000237 bingaling
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Do they fly in space ? For $200 billion I hope so .


Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:51 | 1000396 Cpl Hicks
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No but they have a very advanced suction mechanism to empty out the pockets of the US taxpayer ( those of any foreign military sales population)

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 16:42 | 1000241 Misean
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Ah, a flying horse's ass designed by a group of pork swilling nest featherers. Obviously needed to combat the air threat from Al-Quessadilla.

They're just putting the bill for this on the tab right?

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 18:39 | 1000479 johnQpublic
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Sat, 02/26/2011 - 20:25 | 1000604 Cathartes Aura
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lol, great post Misean. . .

for dessert, they'll be ordering up the new Boeing mid-air refueling tankers. . . comes in handy when you want to carpet bomb a far-away nation, and the neighbours won't let you use their bases to refuel.

The Air Force has awarded a $35 billion contract to build the next generation of air refueling tankers to Boeing Co.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 16:47 | 1000248 Dr. Porkchop
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Our moronic Canadian govt. has been talked into buying these fucking things. Lots of complicated systems and probably expensive to maintain, probably not very reliable...sounds like a British luxury car.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:09 | 1000286 robertocarlos
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It would only cost 1 billion to cancel the contract. Think of it, buying the 35 planes or whatever we agreed to, as a tribute payment to our over-lords.


Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:54 | 1000403 Cpl Hicks
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We'll keep the 1 bil and you keep your mozzys up there in Frostbite Falls, thank you very much.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 19:43 | 1000554 robertocarlos
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We don't have any Mozzys up here. Just Muslims and peaceniks with family values. They escaped the old country to freedom.

I have no problem with buying some US protection. We could use a couple of nuclear powered subs and a dozen Raptors. We can pay in clean electricity or dirty oil. Or paper. I think we can afford 5 billion a year in hardware.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 20:32 | 1000613 Cathartes Aura
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is BC still under contract to send their water to California?  last I looked NAFTA meant that was non-negotiable. . .

Now that the GATT has been superseded by NAFTA, however, Americans are given the same rights as Canadians to our water. NAFTA cancels our right to tax water exports to the U.S., overrides the constitutional right of the provinces to control the water within their boundaries, and accords U.S. corporations the right to sue the federal government if it--or a province--fails to respect the terms of NAFTA.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 22:48 | 1000865 Terminus C
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The federal government controls water in Canada.  Rights to it have never been granted to any private company to harvest or otherwise collect.  Public use only.  Now, Canada has gone into the grey area of allowing municipalities to sell their water to private companies but municiple water supplies, though in some cases quite large, are not enough to quench California's thirst.

Thus, because water is not a privately tradable commodity in Canada it does not fall under NAFTA.  If that were to allowed even once, however, the water would no longer be under Canada's control.

That assumes Canada doesn't just flip the U.S. the bird on this issue... for payback on the softwood lumber dispute.

Sun, 02/27/2011 - 11:42 | 1001584 FeralSerf
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Buying some protection?  Like the fox guarding the hen house?

Baa, baa, black sheep,
Have you any wool?
Yes sir, yes sir,
Three bags full.

One for the master,
One for the dame,
And one for the little boy
Who lives down the lane.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 16:47 | 1000249 Spalding_Smailes
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Also the FA-22

A soldiers perspective 

The Aircraft flying along with the FA-22 in the last of these photos is the F-15, which will be replaced by the FA-22 which is several times better. In Actual In-flight (simulated) Combat Operations against the F-15, two FA-22s were able to operate without detection while they went head to head against (8) F-15s. The FA-22s scored Missile Hits (Kills) against all the F-15 Aircraft and the FA-22s were never detected by either the F-15s or Ground Based Radar.

They're a titanium and carbon fiber dagger. They're so advanced that if their on-board locator is switched off even our own satellites can lose track of them. They're the first military aircraft ever built that is equipped with a 'black-out button'. What that means is this: The best conditioned fighter pilots are capable of maintaining consciousness up to in the vicinity of 15+ G. The Raptor is capable of making 22+ G turns. If someday an adversary builds a missile that is capable of catching up to one of these airplanes and a Raptor pilot sees that a strike is imminent, he hits the 'b.o.b.' and the airplane makes a virtual U-turn, leaving the missile to pass right on by.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 16:49 | 1000253 Dr. Porkchop
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Look, Tom Cruise perfected that move over twenty years ago.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 16:55 | 1000268 Pure Evil
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But, he lost Goose in the process.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:02 | 1000279 Misean
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I thought Rebecca De Mornay was in Risky Business?

Sun, 02/27/2011 - 01:33 | 1001135 Pure Evil
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No, she ended up doing theater in Libya with Qaddafi Duck.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 16:59 | 1000275 Spalding_Smailes
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Raptor F-22 High-Performance Display


Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:04 | 1000285 Rodent Freikorps
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That is just pure fucking awesome.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:34 | 1000352 b_thunder
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they don't make F22s anymore.  F35 is significantly inferior to F22 (and therefore cheaper to make.)  IF you're Russian, Chinese or Iranian air defence chief, you are very exited about that.


Sun, 02/27/2011 - 11:51 | 1001594 FeralSerf
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The Chinese especially are excited, since they're the ones that ultimately get to pay for them.

Admiral Mullen, sir.  There's a ChinaRepoMan here that says he's come to get those F-Somethings that you haven't paid for.  What should I tell him?


Sat, 02/26/2011 - 23:10 | 1000919 optimator
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Not the first with a 'black out button', 70 years ago the Ju-87 Stuka had a dedicated autopilot system that automatically brought it to a dive when the pilot dropped the dive brakes and then automatically pulled the aircraft out of the dive and back to level flight when the bomb was dropped.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:03 | 1000280 grunk
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It seems to me that we skipped a whole bunch of F's before we got to the F-35.



Is it going to be like the Super Bowl where we use Roman Numerals?

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:08 | 1000294 knukles
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Nope.  Roman numerals reserved for annual bronze covered chocolate filled Paulson Memorial Coins to mark the the decline of Empire. 

Sun, 02/27/2011 - 01:37 | 1001139 Pure Evil
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You're fucking nuts there knukles.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:11 | 1000304 Misean
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A lot of those little F'ers are still born. Not enough thought went into spreading the pork.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:07 | 1000295 trav7777
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I've heard this plane is junk...the F22 was great but this is supposedly a dog so far compared to competition out there

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:33 | 1000351 Joeman34
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And I've heard it gives great massages and will even give a happy-ending if you're nice...

Trav, your comments are usually intelligent and well informed.  I won't hold it agains you becuase you're probably just hung over from Friday night, but you can do better...

Sun, 02/27/2011 - 23:35 | 1002932 RECISION
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And you can probably spell better - but we wont hold it against you.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:56 | 1000408 Atomizer
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One starts with a drawing. The team conducts failure mode and effects analysis. Plane is built and flight tested. Upon approval, the stacks of FMEA documents reach the Sales & Marketing department. Based on the planes obsolescence cycle, aftermarket sales revenue is computed.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:16 | 1000316 Bansters-in-my-...
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I think to strirke a joint,would be much more appropriate for the USA ,than "joint strike"

Ps.......Is it paid for .?

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:33 | 1000354 Joeman34
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C'mon, this is America.  We don't really pay for anything....

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:20 | 1000323 dick cheneys ghost
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for those you have not seen it, Secret Government: Constitution in Crisis. topical given todays environment.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:25 | 1000329 Cognitive Dissonance
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Inaugural production doesn't mean what you think it means. These are the first planes to come out of the initial low rate production run. Emphasis on low rate production. These are being built even though many of the subsystems are not fully developed. It's not like Boeing is rolling out the new 747-8I and doing a year or so of flight tests. Much of the software running the plane and sub-systems is not even 50% complete.

Gates just ordered the remaining development period stretched out over nearly three more years in order to allow the plane's software and electronics to mature. This plane isn't anywhere near ready to do what it's advertised to do and isn't a match for even a modern F-16 because it's counter measures, radar, even the helmet display isn't near complete.

Many miles (and billion$) to go before the military brass sleeps well over the F-35. 

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:33 | 1000356 Rodent Freikorps
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The most expensive military in the world is the one that is second best.

Sun, 02/27/2011 - 11:48 | 1000555 GoinFawr
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Allow me to finish that for you 'Sun Tzu':

"The most expensive military in the world is the one that is second best.

America's milk-it-ary: case in point."


junkers, my bad, I forgot: "Mission Accomplished" in 2003

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:46 | 1000385 b_thunder
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I t will never "do" what it was advertised as capable of doing.  And it will cost a lot more than was promised.  The US AF have switched to the lowest bidder for everything.  This plane, as well as Boeing's aerial refueling tanker program are the best (or worst depending on if you directly benefit from the government/military-industrial complex corruption on a 100-billion dollar scale) examples of GWB and Rumsfeld's era of runniong the country and the DoD.

As I already posted higher in this thread, the Russians, the Chinese and the Iranians are extreamely pleased that F22 program has been aborted and the existing F22s will be mostly collecting dust in some remote hangar in the middle of the "heartland."  And they'r elooking forward to the next Yugoslavia-type conflict when they expect to shoot down a lot more F35s than they did F117s  back in the 1990s  (only one F117 was brough down.)

American air (as its economical, financia, moral, etc) superiority is  ending.



Sun, 02/27/2011 - 18:46 | 1001248 RECISION
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“The Air Force is getting a great jet that represents a huge leap in capability, and we’re looking forward to getting it into the hands of the service pilots in just a few more weeks.”

A great leap huh???

Just a few weeks huh???

No, it is going to be years, and however 'great' the leap, planes have a Long gestation. Where as missiles can go through generations in a couple of years, if desired. It used to be that a missile was limited in the tech  that could go into them, by space, weight and power considerations. But now, the same nano tech that goes into your iPhone could be put into a missile in months.

The F-35 is supposed to be around for several decades. Let me assure you it wont be viable against future anti aircraft missile defenses in five years time. And an F-35 is looking like costing north of $80-100 million. While a future Stinger equivalent could be fielded for less than a million unit cost. The cost/performance gap is only going to grow.

A manned plane will never again be competitive against the robots/missiles (including their C3). Even back with the Soviets in Afghanistan, MANPADS were hugely disruptive and dangerous, and they have come a long way since then baby. By the time the F-35 is fully fielded, missile tech could be 3 generations further forward from now and growing.

... Oopps  :-(

** edit **

So, is that "Black out button" alongside the ones for the phasers and photon torpedos???



Sun, 02/27/2011 - 04:31 | 1001318 RockyRacoon
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Greetings, CD.   Thanks for the realistic assessment.  Wonder if we'll last long enough to see this plane in full regalia.  I worked on the F-4 and F-105 during the Vietnam war and they sure were workhorses.   Talk about your battle tested.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:40 | 1000370 Malibu
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While impressive the F-22, F-35 and even F-18 models are worthless in practical applications.  There has been maybe ten air to air engagments since Vietnam.  However the Admirals and Generals in military aviation all come from fighter backgrounds and within those communities 95% of their thought and training is air to air and because of that they are always looking for a new toy to bring to the merge.  It really reminds me of kids pimping their cars out on a grand scale.  Meanwhile an A-6 from forty years ago can do what the majority of military fighters do and do it better.  Close air support and bombing, just like the A-10 platform is doing right now.  A F-18C has to refuel on every 45 minutes with a combat load on average and are always on ladder, the pilots are always screaming for more gas.    

We have never had superior aircraft.  What keeps the US at the top is the amount of hours of training pilots receive.  Average Chinese pilot is still scared to fly at night and gets an average of fifty hours a year, an American on deployment will see that and more in one month.  

Also there was a reason why the A-4, A-7, A-8s are not in the Naval forces anymore and it goes beyond simple aging and tech getting better.  Flying a single engine jet at the boat is scary.  It is why all follow on aircraft had two.  They say this engine is so reliable that losing an engine will not be a problem.  I'd like to hear what the first who has to ditch at two in the morning in the middle of a black ocean will have to say about reliability.  

Finally, when the F-22 was initially brought to the table it had zero air to ground capibilities, now it can hold two one thousand pound JDAMs or similar munition (GW Bush made that happen, he wouldn't sign off on it without air to ground).  The F-35 is just as bad.   Are they impressive? Of course.  Would I like to take one to the merge? you bet your ass.  But does it fit in with our current threats and warfare enviroment?  Not in any way.  Do we need them? A few to knock out the stray MiG that might be flying around in the future however that type of air warfare has been marginalized with stealth bombing.  We get into a fight with a country, the B-2s and B-1s come in and wipe out all runways and airforces as well as any SAM sites.  Now their pants are around their ankles and the smaller boys come in to support the troops on the ground.  That has been our gameplane in recent years and outside the actual outcome of the war itself...from an aviation standpoint at least, it has worked perfectly.  

The technologly of warfare brings us to a frightening moral hazard, eventually UAVs will comprise all of the military and without a pilot sitting there sweating the threats it makes it that much easier to lob a bunch of bombs at some poor bastard.  

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 18:11 | 1000427 New_Meat
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+F-86, which might have been superior to its MIG-opponent in all of the important pieces-even if not in the pure numbers.

Good post.

- Ned

Sun, 02/27/2011 - 02:26 | 1001204 Dave
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The F-85 was an Oldsmobile.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 21:34 | 1000692 nmewn
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Add to it.

Pound for pound...sittin in a warthog bathtub is the best air to ground platform ever far.

Sun, 02/27/2011 - 14:49 | 1001839 optimator
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What we need is a "Colonial Bomber" for the type of wars we currently fight.  Our Government says there is no inflation, so why not re-start production of the original Lightning, the P-38.  We can buy 200 for the price of one F-35.  One 20 mm cannon, 4 each .50 cal in the nose it has more than enough firepower to impress the current batch of tribesmen we're up against.
Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:48 | 1000389 whatz that smell
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beautiful yes but btchz nothing but a teflon penis in the sky.

blessed be the F-35! may it meet production goals for a thousand years!

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 19:10 | 1000517 Yen Cross
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Eat an orange you wanker! Better yet, go cliff diving into a quary, and learn to spell on your way down.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 19:50 | 1000563 GoinFawr
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narf narf

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:53 | 1000404 falak pema
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The russians already have it beat in speed  and the chinese are a step ahead in stealth. Only the french and the british are pissed off. Normal amongst allies. Hold your enemies closest has become...hold your allies closest. Who cares about enemies. The competition is french and british. They have the electronic technology, as the plane is now a sophisticated,  flying computer optimising parameters for different situations (jamming, decoy, recon, armaments). Even if the chinese have stealth and the russians have speed and maneuverability. Can't win em all.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 18:03 | 1000407 bob_dabolina
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So this is what's replacing Bernankes helicopter?

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 18:13 | 1000429 Atomizer
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Bernanke has been outsourcing the Antonov 225. The payloads are far too large these days. LOL

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 18:16 | 1000437 bob_dabolina
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In the 21st Century you need to get there quick and with this upgrade he can now get money to the nearest failed institution faster then ever before.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 18:13 | 1000432 Cpl Hicks
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Great idea, FRN dispensers in the weapon bays.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 18:27 | 1000460 ZackAttack
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$336 billion fucking dollars for this program.

Easy low-hanging fruit in the coming austerity.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 18:46 | 1000465 GoinFawr
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The Canadian version will be equipped with dual .22 calibre, bolt action rifles, for shooting gophers, and a Remote Ignition Interrupter that can be employed stateside should they continue to resist adopting a US style private health care system (Don't fret, that's just a precaution; Harper's Conservatives are 'on it').

@comment above : 336 billion? Isn't that more than CA's total debt? Perhaps we should cut the pilots' benefits? Oh, I know: let's save money on the ground crews by hiring migrant workers, best if they are 'illegals'. Then when we are done with them we can demonize them and send them packing to, wherever, with no benefits, severence, or respect.  You know, The American Way.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 19:00 | 1000501 ZackAttack
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Oops, can't wait around in these inflationary times.... looks like it's now risen to $338b:


Cost estimates have risen to $382 billion for 2,443 aircraft, at an average of $92 million each.


Sat, 02/26/2011 - 19:49 | 1000562 robertocarlos
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We're, Canada, buying 65 of them. Who else is on the sucker, I mean friends, list?

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 20:47 | 1000636 savagegoose
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us aussies are in for 100 of em.

Mon, 02/28/2011 - 01:47 | 1003201 Ivan the Russian
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Wurd! Don't fly U.S airlines after I saw an ad out of Washington for a local college that trained ex-crackheads living in cardboard boxes to maintain passenger aircraft as a poorly paid living.

Tue, 03/01/2011 - 10:43 | 1006819 GoinFawr
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If ex crackheads are anything like the ex smokers I know  that does sound risky

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 18:45 | 1000490 linrom
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Awesome piece of junk. I sure hope that someone can develop $100 laser beams to shoot down all this flying military crap so we can start building hospitals and clinics instead.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 18:48 | 1000492 GoinFawr
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A billion or so right winged loonies just willed you to "bite your tongue!"

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 21:40 | 1000703 Yen Cross
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Coming from a goober like your self.? A complement is in order.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 22:30 | 1000793 GoinFawr
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Whatever that means, slave.

If you think that was a 'complement' (sic) you should feel like the sun shines outta your ass by the time I'm done with you. Which will be nice, 'cause then you will have some light by which to see exactly where you're heading.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 22:36 | 1000835 Yen Cross
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Lets Tango!

Sun, 02/27/2011 - 03:31 | 1001267 GoinFawr
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I prefer the jig and reel.

Wait for it...

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 19:03 | 1000502 ZackAttack
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I'm sure it will be very helpful against all those teenagers with AKs that we seem to be unable to defeat now.

Meanwhile, granny gets to take a big bite of the austerity shit sandwich so the military can have 2500 gold-plated fighters.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 19:13 | 1000519 Korbin Dallas
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Hello Mohammed, throw a shoe at this.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 19:38 | 1000550 GoinFawr
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Personally I don't think they are quite cowardly enough when pitted against footwear... is there an RC model?

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 22:39 | 1000847 Yen Cross
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Foot wear and Remote Control models. You must work at Macy's. Please tell me so Mr. Sun Shine?

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 19:20 | 1000530 Drag Racer
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I was stationed at Eglin. Absolutely beautiful area around Ft. Walton Beach. I hope the bay and beaches recover from the oil mess.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 19:23 | 1000531 almost_have_a_name
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Honney, I think the US is going to invade _____.

Dear, do you think they will rescue our oil !


Sat, 02/26/2011 - 19:32 | 1000541 skunzie
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The F-35 is a flying POS and will be shown as such.  The US has the best fighter on the planet right now in the F-22 Raptor.  After we get this flying pig shot down a few times, maybe they'll get some common sense kicked up their asses and start funding it once again.

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 20:05 | 1000582 XenOrbitalEnginE
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Possibly an F-35 is good for jamming signals between ground and sats?  Any-how, I didn't see any z. comments about the (obvious) catfight betwixt congress-critters.

It's not partisan!  No, it's regional.  The contract to build engines is a beach-ball between different groups at this point.  Why, they might consider it so important as to mock (sorry, make) some compromises.

On a personal aviation note - the XOE figures that heavier than air ballistic vehicles are not as good as zeppellin technology.  Helicopters are good enough for other towing a blimp along.

Oh, the humanity!

Sat, 02/26/2011 - 20:29 | 1000608 zebra
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taxpayers only support this if we use this on Wall St.

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