Of Fake "Bogeymen" And Artificial "Security"

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Racer's picture

And the more real dangers..  cigarettes and driving in cars is not addressed in the same vigorous way at all.

How many people are killed by terrrorism compared to cigarettes alone?

Oh regional Indian's picture

Cars, yes.

Cigarettes, you just might be surprised.

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2010/10/03/and-tips/

 

And what a raw analysis. 

This week has all the makings of "Fear Days" redux.

Buy the dips because they are only going higher.

ORI

nmewn's picture

Everyone has their whipping boy...I guess yours is smoking & driving?

I'm pretty sure smoking...be it hashish or tobacco is a voluntary thing aligned with the freedom...as is the freedom allowed by driving oneself from point A to point B on their own schedule.

Terrorism asks for no volunteer victims, they just make them. 

i-dog's picture

You are right that they are not "volunteers" ... unless, like good citizens of democracies, they were to accept some responsibility for installing and supporting their own governments!

Most "victims" of terrorism are in fact victims of their own government's (or their co-conspirators') false flag events ... from Archduke Ferdinand in 1914, to the citizens and servicepersons in Pearl Harbour in 1941, to the guests and staff in Jerusalem's King David Hotel in 1948, to the inhabitants and first responders in the World Trade Centre in 2001. ALL of these were killed or seriously incapacitated at the hands of their own governments to further political agendas.

nmewn's picture

Sigh.

Here we go again...i-dog I respect your opinion on a lot of things...but this ain't one of them.

"to the inhabitants and first responders in the World Trade Centre in 2001. ALL of these were killed or seriously incapacitated at the hands of their own governments to further political agendas."

Were the "charges" in place before the AQ hijacked jets struck them? If so, how was this physically accomplished? You do realize the number of people who would have had to be in on it don't you? Where are they now? Why has no one come forward?...the guilt & shame would be excruciating for anyone involved. It would have taken a lot of people for something this size. The amount of C-4 to do the "job" could also not go undetected for long...let alone it's placement.

Furthermore, I recognize shock when I see it...W was genuinely shocked & shaken when he was informed while reading to those kids. So you must be saying he is a much better actor than everyone on the left gives him credit for (no I'm not saying you are on the left). Of everything else he was and is (including his fiscal faults which I condemned him for constantly) he is a Christian...this is something he would not have done or allowed against his own people. As a Christian he knows he would rot in hell for eternity.

Atta was seen (camera & witness's) boarding the flight. Cell phone calls to family were made by the victims to their families before the impacts. Voice technology cannot work when the computer doesn't know who or has no recording of, the victims voice to fake cell calls. Out of 300 million Americans there is no way to know who would be on those flights...and some called who were last minute boarders to boot.

So it was Arabs...specifically Saudis.

To believe any of it one must believe the US government hired Atta & co. to hijack the jets, to slash the throats of crew & passengers...this would be a rather suspicious proposition when viewed from Atta's point of view don't you think?

i-dog's picture

"I respect your opinion on a lot of things"

Thanks. I also respect yours, yet often disagree on political issues.

"Were the "charges" in place before the AQ hijacked jets struck them?"

Yes. First responders were greeted by explosions in the lobbies while aircraft were still burning 90 floors above them. The perpetrators had many months to plant the necessary charges. Planning for 9-11 started in 1998, though the charges were probably only installed during "renovations" in 2001.

"W was genuinely shocked & shaken when he was informed while reading to those kids."

To my reading, his reaction was more "bemusement". Maybe he was thinking "OK. Now I've got lots of extra work to do. Am I up to it?"

"he is a Christian"

His membership of Skull & Bones and the higher levels of Freemasonry also mean that he has indulged in some distinctly un-Christian activities. The Inquisitors were Christians ... Hitler was a Christian ... Jack The Ripper was a Christian ... Jim Jones was a Christian ... most Mafia hitmen are Christians............

"Atta was seen (camera & witness's) boarding the flight."

The "underpants bomber" was also seen boarding his flight. His CIA handler, who managed to negotiate the bomber's boarding -- without a passport or visa -- was less obvious and not reported at all.

"So it was Arabs...specifically Saudis."

You may believe the party line ... I don't. I came late to 9-11 "truth". For 6 years, until 2007, I simply mimicked what the mainstream media put out and therefore derided friends who pushed a conspiracy theory. Then I was pushed to do my own independent research by a business partner, "starting with Building 7". Recent video and audio releases, gained from NIST under court order, simply confirm my original findings: that the US government was fully informed and deeply involved ... irrespective of any Israeli and/or Saudi involvement.

As I said "governments (or their co-conspirators)". I stand by that. We will possibly soon know which of us is correct, when a proper public inquiry, with full Federal Grand Jury powers to compel witnesses to testify under oath, is conducted.

chopper read's picture

i'm a big fan of both you guys.  great exchange.

nmewn's picture

"Were the "charges" in place before the AQ hijacked jets struck them?"

"Yes. First responders were greeted by explosions in the lobbies while aircraft were still burning 90 floors above them."

If this is true it is the smoking gun you seek. The explosives would have left trace elements as to their composition & country of origin on those affected by the blast. The problem of course, is no first responders were injured by explosions in the lobby. I have read nothing or been presented with no evidence that paramedics, firemen, or police had any concussion injuries or burns associated with any blast. As you know many went up & down the stairwells while the towers were on fire. I find it unlikely after being confronted by bombs in the lobby they would have been ordered to press on by superiors & of course their union stewards would have been throwing apoplectic fits if true.

"W was genuinely shocked & shaken when he was informed while reading to those kids."

"To my reading, his reaction was more "bemusement". Maybe he was thinking "OK. Now I've got lots of extra work to do. Am I up to it?"

It's not what I saw.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na600UB-bG0

"His membership of Skull & Bones and the higher levels of Freemasonry also mean that he has indulged in some distinctly un-Christian activities."

Skull & Bones...well maybe. Mason's no.

I know many who are Mason's. I myself was "invited"...but I'm not much of a joiner, outside of AAA & an NRA lifer I belong to no other private organization...LOL...but I know who Mason's are and they are not evil and they are, for the most part Christians who stand head & shoulders above most on the integrity & morality scale...as to the rest...clearly they were psycho's. (Let's not get sidetracked).

"The "underpants bomber" was also seen boarding his flight. His CIA handler, who managed to negotiate the bomber's boarding -- without a passport or visa -- was less obvious and not reported at all."

Link please.

"As I said "governments (or their co-conspirators)". I stand by that. We will possibly soon know which of us is correct, when a proper public inquiry, with full Federal Grand Jury powers to compel witnesses to testify under oath, is conducted."

And I have no problem with that whatsoever.

 

i-dog's picture

"I have read nothing or been presented with no evidence that paramedics, firemen, or police had any concussion injuries or burns associated with any blast."

The explosions were associated with shaped charges set on the internal support columns. They weren't trying to do an Oklahoma City and blow the whole freaking building in one big blast!! If you did your own investigation, rather than just believing the WSJ and NBC, you'd find plenty of reports. Here is one to get you started: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGGP20137SA

"I know many who are Mason's."

So do I. And well above the first 3 levels of those who do the charitable work and social gatherings and have no knowledge of the power structure. BTW, Masons can be Christians, Muslims, Jews, whatever ... as long as they believe in a deity. Only atheists not admitted.

"Link please."

I'm sorry ... you'll have to do your own research [or not ... we are all free to make choices]. I don't keep track of all the links I visit when doing my own cross checking of media reports. Maybe you could start here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73tZlkkxjts (start @6:30).

Anyway, I'm not going to debate this 'synthetic terrorism' (as Webster Tarpley calls it in his own book on 9-11) any further. You are free to believe whatever you like ... but, please, make sure it is based on reasonable investigation of both sides of any story.

nmewn's picture

Well I had a long rebuttal all typed out and realized I'm not wanting a big ass debate with you on this either...I think our positions are pretty well hardened.

I'm also not a big fan of geopol (Tarpley) either...it's been a long day for me anyways i-dog.

Gentlemen can agree to disagree on any issue and still keep their eye on what counts most.

SeeYa

cyclemadman's picture

Cigarettes and driving in cars are personal choices. When participating in those activities you accept the dangers.

Ripped Chunk's picture

junking puss bags out in force today.

GoinFawr's picture

Driving cars, a choice, right. Say, which country do we get a lot of oil from? Saudi Arabia? Interesting...

 Are all you in the GWB/Dick Cheney fan club beginning to see how this 'bogeyman' thing works yet?

(Please tell me at least one of you are, please)

Al Gorerhythm's picture

And the more real dangers..  cigarettes and driving in cars

The mind works in mysterious ways. An article based on the unraveling of the economic  norms and how the playbook is applied in trying to maintain the status quo and your surgical disassembly of the topic:  cigarette and automobile deaths? 

In regard to your concern about cigarette and automobile deaths, you did not address the most incredible fact that Barbie the doll, made her debut in 1959 at the American Toy Fair in NYC. Shame on you!

chopper read's picture

centralized money planning and fractional reserve counterfeiting with fiat money are both highly immoral and favor insiders at the expense of little old ladies scrubbing toilets.  

these scumbags will never let go of their positions of power until either it fully collapses under its own fraudulent weight, they consolidate even more power under a one-world currency (SDR), or we take back our right to trade freely in a bloody revolution.  

those who are direct linear beneficiaries, such as David Rockefeller, view these systems as their feudal birthright, everyone else can eat cake.

when is the focus going to turn towards the exact individuals, such as David Rockefeller, that this system favors most? 

http://www.zerohedge.com/forum/how-do-we-arrive-eve-our-collapse

Cognitive Dissonance's picture

....it was universally reported as a North Korean attack or assault on South Korea. The condemnation was instant, unanimous and choreographed.

Any time I see and hear the mainstream media speaking as one, I always assume I'm being propagandized. I have yet to be dissapointed.

E_pluribus_unum's picture

I love truth with the same part of myself that so adores beauty. You know it when you see it.

You just exposed a truth that people fear for much the same reason as so many shockingly beautiful Women wear make-up.

It is insecurity coupled with lovely, and appropriate self doubt, modesty.

If we can't rely on 'them' we would need to rely on ourselves.

That time has come.

honestann's picture

I'd say it came at least 97 years ago.

At this point, I'd say it might be "too late".

blindfaith's picture

made up truths don't lie.

 

think about it.

dark pools of soros's picture

correct ..  and then in between they split and bicker to their target audience until the next marching order is sent

Highrev's picture

Transparently ridiculous statements of this nature are par for the course. They are indulged in by the powers that be in every nation on a routine basis. They are blandly offered to the news media and equally blandly and unquestioningly reported.

It's not propaganda. They're incompetent morons. That’s the majority of the press. It’s not that they don’t question, it’s that they don’t know how to reason in the first place. And that’s not just the case with the press. It’s pervasive everywhere. It’s the Peter Principal taken to its logical extreme. Everyone has risen to their level of incompetence and there is no longer anyone competent in any leadership position regardless of where you look (well, almost – I know there’s an exception or two out there … we’ve got Tyler). And where do we go from there? I can assure you it’s not up.

honestann's picture

First, they are bought and paid-for by the predator class.

Since they only publish what the predators want them to, they no longer need intelligent, insightful, rational researchers and reporters.

Bob's picture

 . . . rational researchers and reporters, the great majority of whom have been axed in the last 20 years of corporatization, mergers and downsizing in the MSM.  Most--but not yet all--idealistic journalists are no longer interested in working for the MSM, which has been largely reduced to a Ken and Barbie talking head and filler industry.  Which is good, since the jobs are no longer there for them in any case.

Thanatos's picture

What Do We Have To Watch For?:

I'd say Bill Buckner is a good start.

Lndmvr's picture

Scroll on the news said something about " 20 wesites were closed down due to misinformation" and that Wikileaks was under a denial of service attack( by whom I wonder)?  Checked Zero, and all is well,  will it last the night?

cosmictrainwreck's picture

"MISINFORMATION"?! My God are we in deep doo-doo. Orwell's black=white has done arrived........

Things that go bump's picture

Thanks for that comment, it just reminded me to look up the IP address for zerohedge and save it to my favorites that way.

honestann's picture

188.126.66.68 --- write it down, everyone.

Paul Bogdanich's picture

Gold standard - please.  look art the danm un-mined reserves.  Russia and South Africa.  Yeah sure go on the gold standard.  Between the two of them they could easily mine a billion + ounces a year.  Given we can't control the supply there is no way that gets to be the standard. 

CrockettAlmanac.com's picture

If you're going to unequivocally state that Russia and South Africa could double the supply of all the gold mined in the history of the world in a five year period, I'd like to see some data backing you up. Otherwise it's like saying you could screw 10,000 supermodels a year if you really wanted to.

Paul Bogdanich's picture

Too numerous to mention.  Go google "Russian alluvial gold" and see what you get.  Similarly go Google "South Africa gold deposits" and see what you get.  In my original list I also forgot mexico which has huge undeveloped reserves.  Russia is particularly interesting.  I count at least five mines in development each with an annual production capacity of 600 to 700 tonnes of refined gold.      

dnarby's picture

Alluvial gold?  Yeah, that will be easy to get to.  Spread out across millions of acres.

Gold deposits?  Yeah, those will be easy to get to.  Miles below the surface, grams secured in tons of rock, I'm sure oil will remain cheap and plentiful to supply the mining machinery.

You write about gold like it's just lying around on the surface in shiny, refined piles.

AUD's picture

Hah! You obviously haven't heard the old adage; "a gold mine is a hole in the ground with a liar at the top".

As for Russian alluvial gold, do you have any idea how much alluvial gold was 'mined' from the Klondike in the late 19th century? From various places in Australia, from California?

Did it make gold worthless & the gold standard inoperable? No.

Bay of Pigs's picture

This isn't gold amatuer hour around here. Google something else like "gold mine developement and production costs". It takes millions/billions to bring new mines into production. Not to mention the TIME involved on permitting, mapping, drilling, etc...

Free Radical's picture

As with oil, coal, etc., there is a difference between deposits and reserves, the former being (presumably) extant, the latter being economically extractable.  Mr. Bogdanich does not appear to appreciate the difference.

Hook Line and Sphincter's picture

Maybe, but Boggy has convinced me to head to Russia with my trusty sluice box.

Rusty Shorts's picture

Cowry Shells Bitchez

 

Shell money is a medium of exchange that was once common. It consisted either of whole sea shells or pieces of them which were worked into beads or otherwise artificially shaped. The use of shells in trade began as direct commodity exchange, the shells having value as body ornamentation (much like gold). The distinction between beads as commodities and beads as money has been the subject of debate among economic anthropologists.[1]

Shell money was not restricted to any one quarter of the globe, but in some form or other appears to have been found on almost every continent: America, Asia, Africa and Australia. The shell most widely-used worldwide as currency has always been the shell of the cowry species Cypraea moneta, the money cowry.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_money

RockyRacoon's picture

I can see it now:  a fractional shell banking system.

Problem with shells is the infinitely divisible problem.

honestann's picture

And the predators-that-be are too adept at "shell games".

chopper read's picture

i'm fresh out of shells, but i do have a handful of sand.  will that do?

RafterManFMJ's picture

Been collecting shells for some time now. Have quite a selection in .223, .40 and 6.8 mm...

nmewn's picture

Ya know...it takes a lot of brass for you to come on here and say something like that.

Welcome aboard ;-)

honestann's picture

This is the just about the most small-minded and simplistic notion I have ever heard.  It is simply utter, pure nonsense.

This is the same argument that says "a gold standard is not fair because some countries have more gold in the ground".  Duh.

!!! That does not matter !!!

Listen up.  If you (or any country) is able to efficiently manufacture  ANYTHING  you can trade it for gold.  In other words, a gold standard does NOT favor those who have deposits of gold (which must be found and mined at very substantial cost in the vast majority of cases).

Instead, the gold standard favors  EVERYONE  who efficiently produces  ANYTHING  --- whether they trade those goods for gold or anything else.

It is stunning how utterly and completely so many people misunderstand an honest "gold standard".  Sheesh!

StychoKiller's picture

I posit that the misunderstanding is somewhat intentional -- after all, what is "fair" about someone having more Gold that someone else?  Socialists/Progressives abhor "unfairness!"

honestann's picture

Whoever believes this madness about "gold in the ground" should simply go out into the boonies, grab the gold "lying around", and get rich.  Wow, that was easy, huh?

NOT.

Even if you are amazingly lucky and find a good piece of dirt to mine, you need to invest hundreds of millions of dollars and many years to start up your mine.  Fact is, gold mining isn't a very good investment, no matter where in the world you happen to be.

Youri Carma's picture

(LEAD) South Korean artillery mistakenly fired on DMZ, 28 November 2010, (Yonhap) http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2010/11/28/0200000000AEN20101128005300315.HTML

PAJU, South Korea, Nov. 28 (Yonhap) -- South Korea mistakenly fired an artillery shell toward the southern side of the Demilitarized Zone (DMZ) on Sunday afternoon and soon sent a message to North Korea that the firing was accidental, military officials said.

No casualties occurred from the accidental discharge that took place at around 3 p.m., the officials said.

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