The Fascinating World of Municipal Bonds

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Fri, 11/05/2010 - 10:38 | 702530 Whatta
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smells to me like any holder of government debt has a real risk of getting a partially fleecing in the future. no way the FED can print enough playdough to pay off all obligations everywhere. and, we the sheeple aren't getting paid an amount that we can afford much more in the way of taxation. add those together and it smells like restructuring and/or defaults coming at least for some.

Fri, 11/05/2010 - 10:27 | 702502 JimboJammer
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Good  job  Zero Debt..   I  am  glad  you  could  find  that  info..

Greece  and  the  other pigs  are  very  upset...

it  will  spred  to  england   and  usa..

Fri, 11/05/2010 - 10:09 | 702452 technovelist
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Municipal bonds are excellent if you want to lose your money. Defaults by the large insolvent issuers are inevitable.

That is, unless they are bailed out by the US government and/or the Fed, which is of course possible.

In that case, you will get the "dollars" you are promised, but they still won't be worth very much, if anything.

Anything denominated in "dollars" cannot be more valuable than the "dollars" themselves.

Fri, 11/05/2010 - 10:38 | 702532 Popo
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So the default is inevitable, unless there's a bailout in which case it's possible?

...which pretty much makes default 'not' inevitable.

Fri, 11/05/2010 - 09:22 | 702323 Zero Debt
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ECB Rejects Request for Greek Swap Files, Citing `Acute' Risks

More horror is coming out of europe at this very hour. We discover that ECB has piles of undisclosed credit dirt on its books.

The European Central Bank refused to disclose internal documents showing how Greece used derivatives to hide its government debt because of the “acute” risk of roiling markets, President Jean-Claude Trichet said.

So much for the new transparency and clarity of policy that was supposed to bring stability and peace. And, as if it wasn't obvious enough that ECB does not think very highly of the market's ability to value information:

“The information contained in the two documents would undermine the public confidence as regards the effective conduct of economic policy,” Trichet wrote in an Oct. 21 letter in which he rejected the appeal."

Fri, 11/05/2010 - 09:18 | 702311 Stuck on Zero
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QE 3 will most certainly be the Fed buing two trillion in munis.

Fri, 11/05/2010 - 08:41 | 702230 junkhand
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high yield munis (or junk bonds as your broker calls them when you aren't around) are a great play!

Fri, 11/05/2010 - 08:37 | 702218 Grand Supercycle
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Daily and weekly overbought charts are now at an extreme level. Similar extreme conditions were detected before the correction started in mid 2007.

Fri, 11/05/2010 - 08:32 | 702193 apberusdisvet
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But But But............Californicators of their own minds are entitled to American taxpayer dollars; there will never be a default;  Barbara "call me Senator, please" Boxer will ensure it; until, of course, the inevitable happens.

Fri, 11/05/2010 - 08:18 | 702169 JimboJammer
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Sometime  the  bond  holders  will  get  a  haircut  (  30 % )

anywhere  in  the  world..  not  just  calif..

Fri, 11/05/2010 - 03:10 | 702042 pussfeller
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Cali is now 1/2 to spend, and 2/3 vote to get, with the People's and Union's Chosen one in power. How is that not going to cause the complete destruction of Cali's credit?

Fri, 11/05/2010 - 09:50 | 702402 praetorian
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Madhedge didn't even bother to read the propositions to understand this fact, before spouting off on the ramifications of the CA election.


Makes you wonder about the rest of his analysis, doesn't it?




Fri, 11/05/2010 - 02:16 | 702010 rotsevni
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"The risk of an outright default on this paper has been vastly overblown by the media. California’s $70 billion in general obligation debt, which is used mostly for infrastructure spending, is at the very top of the seniority structure, followed by $150 billion in retirement benefits debt. These claims are untouchable."

Ask the GM bond holders how that worked out for them.

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