Fast-Reading Computers Are About To Drink Your Trading Milkshake

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Mon, 06/21/2010 - 15:28 | 425340 TraderMark
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as you wrote - it would be fun if you were a press release writer to write the prose in a way that completely screwed these machines.

 

i.e. analyst expectation $0.65, company reports $0.42.

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"We were very pleased with our results, BEATING previous year and almost breaking record levels of profits.  By almost we mean within 40%.  All in it it was a GREAT year and we are BULLISH about our prospects despite the little manner of litigation that might mean GREAT RESULTS for our competitors." 

 

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 15:50 | 425383 Cursive
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LOL.  I would love to see this.  Out of work Wall Street analysts are a cagey bunch.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 18:25 | 425674 ZerOhead
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Out of work senators and congressmen would be even better!

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/forum/how-peacefully-overthrow-oligarchic-klept...

I challenge anyone to find a flaw in this plan to 'democratically' overthrow the U.S. government. Seriously it will work!

Na na na na naaa... I'm smarter than you guys! You guys are so stupid! Blah blah blah blah blah blah...

Listen 2,000 hit's already and my boat is still floating... come on... sink me Bitchez!

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 16:23 | 425455 CPL
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you know...it's not a bad idea....muhahahhahahaha.

 

We would need anonymous' help to do it though.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 15:28 | 425342 wagefreedom
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"........try to determine what the subtext of a given PR narrative is and trade it accordingly." ha ha ha ha--you are good, man....

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 15:32 | 425350 George the baby...
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Me too... I haven't laughed so hard since my dad fell off his bike.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 15:30 | 425344 Internet Tough Guy
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So we can help algos pick stocks? Blue horseshoe loves Bre-x minerals.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 15:31 | 425348 wagefreedom
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yeah, where do I submit my narrative? I can nar-rate with the best of 'em

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 16:25 | 425459 CPL
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Go long BreX! 

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 16:46 | 425519 Canucklehead
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Remember, helicopters and Bre-X don't mix...

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 16:58 | 425557 CPL
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Just don't forget to write a suicide note on the way down that way it's legit.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 15:30 | 425345 wagefreedom
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let's see what they do with a sub-1110 narrative, assuming the ppt doesnt do something with it first...

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 15:30 | 425346 mikla
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Not a surprise, but, "Oh, crap."

We thought it was bad when investment decisions were shifted to mere speculation based on short-term leveraged plays, as opposed to the "olden days" when investment firms actively sought to understand future growth and development plans within the company, deciding whether a company's stock (valued based on expected dividends) was worth the price.

Now, we've gone ALL the way to buying and selling a stock based on a HEADLINE.  You know, that cute grammatically incorrect phrase of a few colorfully chosen words constructed entirely for the purpose of grabbing attention, and often is actually opposite to what the article claims to state (in further bad grammar with poor spelling using industry-specific words incorrectly).

Heaven Help Us All.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 16:27 | 425466 CPL
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Wutlol!  The Elitez Mazzez of peeps are HARD on for the Mad Skillz uv de Citigroup (NYSE:C).  OMGWTFCOPTER!  LOL LOL!

 

Something like that?

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 15:30 | 425347 Ragnarok
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We hope these binary librarians learn to avoid the pages of Zero Hedge early on.

 

Bahahaaha.  Great, now I'm going to start running into robots in the coin and gun stores.  Ammo is already expensive enough.

 

If there are any artists out there who draw political/financial cartoons, please draw one of a bunch of paranoid gold bug robots in a coin shop or gun store.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 15:31 | 425349 themosmitsos
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Skynet cannot become self-aware without a bullshit detector

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 15:37 | 425356 firstdivision
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Hopefully the algos place greater weight behind Cramer's picks.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 15:38 | 425357 scratch_and_sniff
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How do we beat them, you ask? ...lead them to this baby and watch them melt.

http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/

 

 

Tue, 06/22/2010 - 05:56 | 426383 StychoKiller
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Gad, I swear that some people use 50-cent words to masturbate to.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 15:41 | 425361 TooBearish
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Old game, new board - Cramer used the CNBS talkin heads to float a rumor on a stk that he had accumulated a position in, usually one that was heavily short by the HFs....o bother...

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 15:41 | 425362 Cognitive Dissonance
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We can always hope the robots are as freindly as Walle and Eve.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 15:50 | 425384 mikla
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Eve will kill you.  On sight.

Wall*E is a likeable guy, and probably good to have over for dinner, but he seems to enjoy leaving muddy tracks on your carpet.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 15:57 | 425401 Cognitive Dissonance
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Eve has been deprogrammed by Walle and is now a lover, not a killer, unless you're messing with Walle. What's really scary is that I know this stuff. :>)

Part of our continuous movie and TV predictive programming is to humanize robots in order to make them likable to us cattle. Put a weapon on Johnny 5 or that troop carrier and paint a smile on the bullet proof cladding and we'll move along a little quicker when ordered....er....asked to. 

"Oh look, isn't that remotely controlled anatomically correct mass murderer cute as a bug. I'm sure it's harmless."

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 18:49 | 425708 Marla And Me
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Boston Dynamics makes some scary robots.  Just youtube some of their more recent prototypes.  And what is it with the Japanese and robots?  They are an interesting bunch on so many levels.  What is it about their culture that they prefer the company of robots to the company of other human beings?  Insanity...

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 15:43 | 425369 Boilermaker
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My money is on V.I.N. CENT from The Black Hole.  Sure, he's beat up and old but he can shoot like the dickens.  Plus, he's charming and loveable.  Awwww, getting cornholed by computers is so much more acceptable when it's cute.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 15:44 | 425371 What_Me_Worry
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Can we start a donation fund to put out "hypothetical" press releases on companies through sites like PRnewswire?  Would seem like money well spent.

 

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 15:48 | 425378 Cyan Lite
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So we can now destroy the machines by putting out junk press releases... 

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 15:57 | 425399 Dr. No
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I think we need guidance from JohnConner on this one.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 16:24 | 425457 seventree
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Junk press releases? Was the redundancy intentional?

Actually, the same guys that promise to push your website to the top of Google will get into this in a Wall Street second.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 15:49 | 425380 Amish Hacker
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That settles it. I'm opening a trading account with Evelyn Wood.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 15:56 | 425394 Gold...Bitches
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Double post... grrr

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 15:55 | 425395 Gold...Bitches
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And people still try to say buying gold is a bad idea.  You'd rather have your 'money' in pieces of paper that Skynet determines the value of?

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 15:58 | 425403 chet
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I"n other news, the market is now no longer about forecasting, predicting, and, generally, investing"

I can't believe that great swaths of our country have all their savings in this fucker. 

By the time this is done, the market will be completely dispised.  Arguably, that would be the time to buy, except that it will still be run by robots programmed to screw you over.  At the bottom of the market, you'll be the only human trade and at any sign of movement the algos will jump all over you like a pack of hyenas.  Whatever stock you pick will dive 15% the minute you buy it.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 16:17 | 425404 Ruth
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Did they forget how well those AI Automated Underwriting Systems worked?!  Can't we just jail these guys for criminal programming?!

Ya know what happens when they get caught don't ya?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ-Xbfbd3WA

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 16:31 | 425474 Cognitive Dissonance
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You're an especially bad girl today Ruth. Bad girl!!

Now go to your room and no Internet for you for 24 hours. :>)

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 16:35 | 425489 Ruth
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I just couldn't resist, can I now have my spanking?

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 15:59 | 425405 optimator
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Didn't LTCM, Long Term Capital Management have a foolproof system too?

Haven't heard much about them anymore since they were bailed out a decade ago.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 16:02 | 425412 dark pools of soros
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frontrunnin the frontal lobes...

 

but the same thing has happened in news..  the AP puts out a story and then 4000 blogs/zines/papers print the same exact story.  There is just a handful of any analytic thought anywhere anymore so why trade that way?

 

but once we are all borg, how do you frontrun the collective?

 

 

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 16:33 | 425480 CPL
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4chan Anonymous is how we do it.  We pick a target and flood the world with a total piece of horseshit.  Like nuking a unfortune 500 company.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 16:03 | 425414 AnAnonymous
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Of course, GAI is the solution. Always reported that traders are outdated. They are no longer needed. Lets make room for GAI and stuff will improve.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 16:11 | 425415 carbonmutant
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 You have no idea what's coming

And how close it really is...

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 16:06 | 425419 Dr. No
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This makes perfect sense.  In an age where analyists are typically late to publishing news (i.e. downgrading of Greek after the fact along with countless other examples), this new re-org by the the algos will read the analyist publications and then trade accordingly.  This in effect will put the analyists back in front of the curve, making them look like heros when they "accuratly" "predict" the future events.

tip of the cap goldman!

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 16:08 | 425421 lbrecken
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And that explains how the media manipulates the dopey traders.............

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 16:09 | 425422 Joe Shmoe
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I, for one, applaud this.  There are lots of things that machines can do better, and this is and will be one of them.  Oh, and I thought Katherine Ross was much hotter as a Stepford wife.  

Think of all the time we'll save.  We can just deposit our chits at the beginning of our lives and then sit back and let the CAGR run.  Bring on the love!

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 16:10 | 425428 lbrecken
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And why the market is up seemly based on nothing cause the media is trying to spin...and why it crashes all at once as the lies get exposed.....yes it explains alot.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 16:15 | 425437 lbrecken
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and oh i can jsut hear the bankers now when we start hearings on who was manuplating the markets and why and they blame it on the algo's...........

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 16:17 | 425440 Margin Call
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Well the time horizon on profitable trading is going to have to get a whole lot shorter once these machines gain sentience and start nuking us.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 16:26 | 425461 gs_runsthiscountry
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Can this program read "greenspeak"? Compile all of Alan Greenspan's comments, verbiage and vernacular in front of congress in his 20 year tenure? If it can dissect and disseminate "green speak" you might have something.

"Backtest" that, why dont ya.

 

 

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 16:31 | 425476 Bankster T Cubed
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hahahahahahahahahahaha!   morons

the whole premise upon which it is based is faulty

ufb how stupid some "investment pros" are

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 16:34 | 425484 4shzl
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I have always believed that a random number generator is the most efficient price discovery mechanism of all.

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