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FBI Busts Mastermind Criminal For Issuing Silver Currency, Demanding Repeal Of Fed And IRS; Faces 15 Years In Prison
The FBI, which apparently has no major criminals to pursue, is now busting those who are preparing for the dollar's imminent destruction. Bernard von NotHaus, head of the National Organization for the Repeal of the Federal Reserve and Internal Revenue Code, commonly known as NORFED and also known as Liberty Services (his website can, or rather could, be seen here), which since 1998 has been issuing silver coins as a replacement for the relentlessly devaluating US currency, was convicted today by a federal jury of
making, possessing, and selling his own coins. "
Following an eight-day trial and less than two hours of deliberation,
von NotHaus, the founder and monetary architect of a currency known as
the Liberty Dollar, was found guilty by a jury in Statesville, North
Carolina, of making coins resembling and similar to United States coins;
of issuing, passing, selling, and possessing Liberty Dollar coins; of
issuing and passing Liberty Dollar coins intended for use as current
money; and of conspiracy against the United States." The devious scheme for which von NotHaus faces up to 15 years jail time: "NORFED’s purpose was to mix Liberty Dollars into
the current money of the United States. NORFED intended for the Liberty
Dollar to be used as current money in order to limit reliance on, and
to compete with, United States currency." In other words make the US currency less credible. We are confident the Chairsatan will take this shining example of what happens to "counterfeiters" of US currency to heart, and promply proceed to release another cool trillion in green 75% cotton/25% linen products, forcing US jails to promptly fill up with millions of subversive elements who no longer wish to interact with the former reserve currency.
Defendant Convicted of Minting His Own Currency
STATESVILLE,
NC—Bernard von NotHaus, 67, was convicted today by a federal jury of
making, possessing, and selling his own coins, announced Anne M.
Tompkins, U.S. Attorney for the Western District of North Carolina.
Following an eight-day trial and less than two hours of deliberation,
von NotHaus, the founder and monetary architect of a currency known as
the Liberty Dollar, was found guilty by a jury in Statesville, North
Carolina, of making coins resembling and similar to United States coins;
of issuing, passing, selling, and possessing Liberty Dollar coins; of
issuing and passing Liberty Dollar coins intended for use as current
money; and of conspiracy against the United States. The guilty verdict
concluded an investigation which began in 2005 and involved the minting
of Liberty Dollar coins with a current value of approximately $7
million. Joining the U.S. Attorney Anne M. Tompkins in making today’s
announcement are Edward J. Montooth, Acting Special Agent in Charge of
the FBI, Charlotte Division; Russell F. Nelson, Special Agent in Charge
of the United States Secret Service, Charlotte Division; and Sheriff Van
Duncan of the Buncombe County Sheriff’s Office.
According to the
evidence introduced during the trial, von NotHaus was the founder of an
organization called the National Organization for the Repeal of the
Federal Reserve and Internal Revenue Code, commonly known as NORFED and
also known as Liberty Services. Von NotHaus was the president of NORFED
and the executive director of Liberty Dollar Services, Inc. until on or
about September 30, 2008.
Von NotHaus designed the Liberty Dollar
currency in 1998 and the Liberty coins were marked with the dollar sign
($); the words dollar, USA, Liberty, Trust in God (instead of In God We
Trust); and other features associated with legitimate U.S. coinage.
Since 1998, NORFED has been issuing, disseminating, and placing into
circulation the Liberty Dollar in all its forms throughout the United
States and Puerto Rico. NORFED’s purpose was to mix Liberty Dollars into
the current money of the United States. NORFED intended for the Liberty
Dollar to be used as current money in order to limit reliance on, and
to compete with, United States currency.
In coordination with the
Department of Justice, on September 14, 2006, the United States Mint
issued a press release and warning to American citizens that the Liberty
Dollar was “not legal tender.” The U.S. Mint press release and public
service announcement stated that the Department of Justice had
determined that the use of Liberty Dollars as circulating money was a
federal crime.
Article I, section 8, clause 5 of the United States
Constitution delegates to Congress the power to coin money and to
regulate the value thereof. This power was delegated to Congress in
order to establish and preserve a uniform standard of value and to
insure a singular monetary system for all purchases and debts in the
United States, public and private. Along with the power to coin money,
Congress has the concurrent power to restrain the circulation of money
which is not issued under its own authority in order to protect and
preserve the constitutional currency for the benefit of all citizens of
the nation. It is a violation of federal law for individuals, such as
von NotHaus, or organizations, such as NORFED, to create private coin or
currency systems to compete with the official coinage and currency of
the United States.
Von NotHaus, who remains free on bond, faces a
sentence of up to 15 years’ imprisonment on count two of the indictment
and a fine of not more than $250,000. Von NotHaus faces a prison
sentence of five years and fines of $250,000 on both counts one and
three. In addition, the United States is seeking the forfeiture of
approximately 16,000 pounds of Liberty Dollar coins and precious metals,
currently valued at nearly $7 million. The forfeiture trial, which
began today before United States District Court Judge Richard Voorhees,
will resume on April 4, 2011 in the federal courthouse in Statesville.
Judge Voorhees has not yet set a date for the sentencing of von NotHaus.
“Attempts
to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a
unique form of domestic terrorism,” U.S. Attorney Tompkins said in
announcing the verdict. “While these forms of anti-government activities
do not involve violence, they are every bit as insidious and represent a
clear and present danger to the economic stability of this country,”
she added. “We are determined to meet these threats through
infiltration, disruption, and dismantling of organizations which seek to
challenge the legitimacy of our democratic form of government.”
The
case was investigated by the FBI, Buncombe County Sheriff’s Department,
and the U.S. Secret Service, in cooperation with and invaluable
assistance of the United States Mint. The case was prosecuted by
Assistant United States Attorneys Jill Westmoreland Rose and Craig D.
Randall, and the forfeiture trial is being prosecuted by Assistant
United States Attorneys Tom Ascik and Ben Bain Creed.
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but we are going to lock your ass in jail because you are a thorn in our side. democracy makes me barf.
The fucking crooks don't like it when your money has more legitimacy than their funnybux.
From the Coinage Act of 1792 -- I've read that this has never been repealed.
SEC. 19. And be it further enacted, That if any of the gold or silver coins which shall be struck or coined at the said mint shall be debased or made worse as to the proportion of fine gold or fine silver therein contained, or shall be of less weight or value than the same ought to be pursuant to the directions of this act, through the default or with the connivance of any of the officers or persons who shall be employed at the said mint, for the purpose of profit or gain, or otherwise with a fraudulent intent, and if any of the said officers or persons shall embezzle any of the metals which shall at any time be committed to their charge for the purpose of being coined, or any of the coins which shall be struck or coined at the said mint, every such officer or person who shall commit any or either of the said offences, shall be deemed guilty of felony, and shall suffer death.
Lmao! If this is true, every Fed governor since 1913 should have been put to death.
Except that laws only apply to the little guy, not the Pigmen.
Learn it, love it, trade it.
" . . . every Fed governor since 1913 should have been put to death. "
Works for me.
Let's dig up the dead ones and hang them, too!
first post hamy that i don't think you are completly out of your mind. gonna have to reevaluate my opinion of you.
He broke character, this post wasn't his usual parody.
Personally I find most of his posts hysterical, but not everyone can handle pure, 100% uncut sarcasm. You have to work your way up from, say 20% sarcasm, before you do the hard stuff.
It was nullified by LBJ by the Coinage Act of 1965, reversing the original 1792's stipulation that debasement of U.S. Currency was punishable by death.
According to Wikipedia's page:
The Coinage Act of 1965, Pub.L. 89-81, 79 Stat. 254, enacted July 23, 1965, eliminated silver from the circulating dimes and quarter dollars of the United States, and diminished the silver content of the half dollar from 90% to 40%. This act was in response to coin shortages caused by the rising price of silver.
In addition to the above provisions, for which it is best known, the act:
Yes, this is technically still the law, as the principle Void Ab Initio states that any act or law that is passed which conflicts with the Constitution doesn't need to be repealed, but simply ignored as 'void from the beginning.' Since the Constitution still states that nothing but Silver AND Gold coin can be legal tender in any state (& Social Security Act says DC is treated as a State for SS), the only legitimate later Coinage Acts were those that changed the gold/silver ratio, not any acts that moved the US to monometallism or nonmetallism as it were. There is no legal basis for an Executive Order to override the Constitution for generations. In fact, since the President's primary Oath is to uphold the Constitution, if he tries to subvert it with an Executive Order, it is Congress' responsibility to impeach him and restore the Constitution. This is my legal proof for the fact that the USA is a an unconstitutional dictatorship. If anyone has the time and guts to sue their State for 'gross dereliction of duty' for accepting FeRNs as legal tender, go for it.
Unfortunately, the Constitution states that no STATE shall make anything but gold and silver legal tender. It does not expressly forbid the Federal Gov't from making something other than gold and silver legal tender.
You're also overlooking the fact that the constitutional federal government was declared bankrupt in 1920 thereabouts and taken into receivership by the Fed acting in proxy for international bankers, meaning the Constitution you refer to and rely upon is null and void, it no longer applies, all 50 states are viewed the same way as the District of Columbia which Congress has always had full legislative authority over with no constitutional constraints.
It's why FRNs are legal tender in all 50 states, not just in DC. It's why the FBI has jurisdiction in all 50 states, not just in DC. It's why unconstitutional federal laws, which were always valid in DC, are now valid in all 50 states. It's why federal income tax is collected in all 50 states, not just in DC. It's why all this federal stuff applies in all 50 states, not just in DC. It's why original state constitutions are null and void, all 50 states are now federal territories just like DC, no difference. It's why every state name has been replaced by a two-letter federal territory code. It's why your residence has a 9 digit federal residence ID number just like you have a 9 digit federal citizen ID number. The list goes on.
It's why "illegal aliens" who haven't become federal citizens yet and don't have a 9 digit federal citizen ID number are given more respect and treated better. It's a sales pitch to sucker them into becoming federal citizens. Once they elect to become federal citizens and get their 9 digit federal citizen ID number, they're just as fucked as we are.
I find it difficult to follow all the laws that the federal reserve have gotten passed for THEIR benefit. BUT i did find a book from the 1930's that had an appendix with some of the Federal Reserve Act and there was a part that said that the Federal Reserve could charge interest on currency in circulation that is not backed by gold and silver-- so it was self interest fulfilled for this privately held corportation to push for a currency not backed in gold and silver.
It is known that all "profits" get returned to treasury from the private federal reserve corp, but 6% on 1% of all excess reserves is a price kept as their expense for operation--isn't that funny, since our 2008 crisis expecially, their balance sheet has blown up several times, so you know what happened to their government sanctioned "expenses".
Seigniorage is a significant profit center for The Mint / Bureau of Engraving and Printing.
Don't look to see a dollar coin effectively replace the paper bill unless Crane Paper stops its lobbying.
As Ron Paul has pointed out: the Fed is the counterfeiter.
The coinage act of 1792 also states that persons may bring gold and silver bullion, to be coined free of expense. If this condition is not met by the treasury then I doubt there are constitutional grounds for the charges.
from the same state...
Legislator says the state needs its own currency http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/03/17/1059132/legislator-says-the-state...
the url is correct. wasn't loading when i clicked from the comment link. just hit refersh.
What an idiot. I hope he's not surprised!
He was an idiot for doing it the way he did. He could have made his Ron Paul coins and printed anything he wanted on them except "dollar" etc. Either dumb, shockingly naive or self destructive matyr complex.
Simply "grams" would have been a good idea.
What an idiot.- What the other sheep always say about the first ones to attempt escape.
Minus any type of conflict there can be no change..
Unless there are legal challenges for the status quo, the status quo will continue un-checked.
I thought there was just a story about the guy in Las Vegas who handed out $300m to his family in gold.. the IRS wanted its piece but the JUdge said no go becuase Gold and Silver are not money.. so whether or not the Gentleman has fashioned Gold or Silver into the shape or with markings likely recognized as money.. the Fact that Gold and / or Silver Can Not be Money per the U.S. Law / Tax Code should weigh heavily.
The Department of Justice (what a fucking joke that term is as a description) will more than likely want to say this Gentleman was trying to replace the dollar / money.. I dont know of anyone.. un-educated, ignorant and / or stupid who are un-aware of the fact that precious metals are worth more than paper / linen.
So proving that a group of people were stupid enough or maybe more easily wanted to partake in the plan?? maybe an issue.. how many people.. Gold or Silver bug or not.. would not rather have precious metals money.. so the easy sale arguement will come up.. which opens a whole new conversation inside the Courtroom.. Look for this to be a media blacked out case.. maybe not right at the start and maybe not even for a long time.. but I would assume some portion of the testimony will be not made available in real time.
I could try this case (I am not ans esquire) and win easily. I stayed at a hoiday inn express last nite.
In May 2009, von NotHaus and others were charged with federal crimes in connection with the Liberty Dollar and, on July 31, 2009, von NotHaus announced that he had closed the Liberty Dollar operation, pending resolution of the criminal charges.[3] US v. BVNH, Case #5:09-CR-00027, began March 7, 2011.[citation needed] The trial is over and he was found guilty.
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Currency reform
Liberty Dollar's original name was "National Organization for the Repeal of the Federal Reserve and the Internal Revenue Code" (NORFED). Since its founding, the organization has asserted that the Federal Reserve is unconstitutional and harmful. The company is now in a series of legal battles both defending their exchange service and challenging exclusivity assertions made by the US Mint (see Legal issues).
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Dollar
Nothing for Nothing.. but this sounds a lil Hinky too me..
Liberty Dollar base values, discounts, and commissions
Liberty Dollar is based on the Liberty Dollar "base value" created by Bernard von NotHaus. As of 2009[update], the base value of Liberty Dollar was $20 Liberty Dollars to one ounce of silver.[7] At the time the Liberty Dollar operation was closed, one ounce Liberty Dollar gold pieces were denominated $1,000 with a maximum charge of 10% over spot price with membership. The previous base values were $10 silver ounce, $20 silver ounce and $500 gold ounce. Non-members pay full face value for all currency except for certain Special and Numismatic items. Members' discounts range from 0% to 50%+ (actually, for short periods during crossovers it is possible that even members cannot buy Liberty Dollars at cost or less).
I am all for killing Terrorists.. but can we kill Go-Daffy, Goldman, JP Morgue and so on first before we hang the Paper Gold guy along with the C+ Guy who posted info on Google (http://code.google.com/u/saleyn/updates)?
Would'nt this cause any of these coin's still in circ. to instantly increase in value?
The one mistake that NotHaus made was getting too pro-Marijuna and setting up that church based on it. Not that I have any qualms with anything natural that God made, but under the circumstances, it was a poor choice to rattle their cages just a little too much.
With today's incredible ignorance of just what money is, I suspect marijuana coins would fare far better.
Hemp instead of cotton is doable.
doable and durable! I'd trust hemp over cotton any day in rope form JW
that Hemp Rope could hang more than one Banker at a time.. we may get done in our life time if we could double up?
Hey great idea, then instead of saying 'eat my shorts', we can say 'smoke my shorts'. mmmmm.... good shit!
LMAO... funny.
You don't smoke iNdustrial Hemp to get high though -- there is no real measurable amount of THC in it. It can be consumed though (seeds, protein power from stems, etc) I think you got it confused with the other Cannabis Strains ....
"Cannabis sativa L. subsp. sativa var. sativa is the variety grown for industrial use, while C. sativa subsp. indica generally has poor fibre quality and is primarily used for production of recreational and medicinal drugs. The major difference between the two types of plants is the appearance and the amount of Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) secreted in a resinous mixture by epidermal hairs called glandular trichomes, although they can also be distinguished genetically."
They just busted our local currency attempts and gave the man hard time....the BoyZ are getting worried we won't wipe our asses with their toilet paper currency anymore.
Liberty Dollar fake currency creator convicted in federal court - Asheville Metro, NC Local News
****** "has been found guilty by a federal jury of conspiracy against the government in a case of “domestic terrorism.” ******
Liberty Dollar fake currency creator convicted in federal court - Asheville Metro, NC Local News
So Gold and Silver are NOT and Can NOT be Money.. but shaping Gold or Silver in a similar way to resemble money is being a Terrorist!!!!
Everyone posting here.. is a Terrorist! Home Grown more than likely and all of you should be jailed..
1st Amendment... NOPE!! Not for you fucking Terrorists here!! just for the pigmen.. you fuckers need Getmo in ya'lls Lives!!!
The "Department of Justice" is coming for all of you Terrorists!! this is your notice!!! welcome to the new normal.
" . . was found guilty by a jury in Statesville, North Carolina, of making coins resembling and similar to United States coins; of issuing, passing, selling, and possessing Liberty Dollar coins;"
Found guilty of "possessing" Liberty Dollar coins?
FBI has a history of targeted prosecutions, black ops, coverups. May be the reason they have such a hard time keeping new recruits--not so many people willing to become goons for TPTB.
Indict Bernanke under the following: “Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism,”......
No wait, that's what they convicted the other guy with. Oh well, guess Bernanke gets off the hook again. How about charging Hank Poulson with lying to congress about TARP?????
Yep...guns are the currency of the South and a new movement may be brewing of busing us good folk up to Wall Street, Greenwich, Westport, etc to release us from racism and slavery to corruption and ponerology.
Preach Brother!!! Preach It!!!!!
You're plotting against the government of the US! These people ARE the government of the US!
double post
L-etat? C'est moi. -- Loius XIV
Mais je suis innocent! -- Louis XVI
US Constitution, Article 1, Section 8 and 10 make clear that the US government is the currency monopolist, with limited powers granted to the states. This outcome was inevitable without a constitutional amendment.
And in an interesting (if somewhat ironic) development:
State Rep. Glen Bradley wants North Carolina to issue its own legal tender backed by silver and gold
http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/03/17/1059132/legislator-says-the-state-needs.html#ixzz1H4O1SAqz
Silver cameraless photographic prints made in Asheville....great Art !
Great Art depicting Death of Dollar
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They'll be next.
Soon as HBGary figures out how to confiscate their binaries.
Not a great store of value when you can generate them yourself using a high-powered processor. The quantity is not fixed.
FBI's mandate is to preserve the status quo. Justice is not a concern.
While these forms of government activities do not involve violence, they are every bit as insidious and represent a clear and present danger to the economic stability of this country. I'm determined to meet these threats through infiltration, disruption, and dismantling of governments which seek to challenge the legitimacy of the People.
Do you hear me, Anne Tompkins? We're coming for you. And Hell is coming with us.
I am Chumbawamba.
So conspiracy against a foreign owned corporation is conspiracy against the U.S.?
Axel Foley says what's the charge for being thrown out of a moving car....Jaywalking?
+90210
+90210.....Rollover bitchez!
NC, UT, VA to name 3 states that I know of that have pending laws concerning legality of bullion as money in their states
I'll tell you what we need to do...I think it is NDakota that has a STATE BANK? The whole state PROSPERS because all interest paid to it remains in the state and supports the GENERAL FUND, if I recall correctly.
Make a citizen owned bank where the profit goes to the CITIZENS. Not a few UBER RICH SCUMBAGS AT THE TOP.
So kick the FUCKING BANKERS out of the USA, along with the UN child molesters, and institute state owned banks with REASONABLE interest rates and CONSUMER FRIENDLY policies. Allow private local banks & credit unions with a good track record to COMPETE against it.
Watch prosperity flow as bonds of tyranny are released without the necessity of gunfire & explosives.
You Sir are a Home Grown Terrorist... may the FBI be a plague upon your home for such truth telling.
why JW...sniff sniff...I haven't been complimented like that in a coons age...sniff snuffle
You Sir are a Threat to the Lies spread by the Population Management Department that is the U.S. Goobermint as a whole..
May You be Water Boarded on board a plane with no origin or flight plan filed!
Hear, hear!
Things like this make me dislike the American Eagles. Philarmonics, Maples and Krugerrands should be bought instead.
Everyone should cringe with anything associated with the words "backed by the full faith and credit of the United States government".
Exactly,if push came to shove, you get FACE value of the coin.
$1.00 FRN.
$50.00 Gold= $50.00 FRN.
Hell of a deal huh?.
Is it still possible to get a liberty dollar. I want one or maybe 100.
Is it still possible to get a liberty dollar. I want one or maybe 100.
The government is taking this seriously enough to make a big splash with it. I would guess this shows that they are getting a bit worried. I wonder if it meant to be a warning to Utah and other states thinking of going with the P.M.'s as legal tender.
I believe certain Islam nations are starting to consider a gold dinar as well.
I also believe that the U.S. will at some point want to link the $ to the P.M.'s again, but they will do it when they are good and ready and will not allow a major power/currency to front run them. I expect this to happen at much higher gold prices and much higher interest rates.
I agree, but you will not get to keep your PM's, and certainly not at the prices of today, or whenever.
Gv't say's 1oz Gold is $42.xx
Want to swap yours for face value of $50 frns?.
J.S G Bogg's got away with it with paper
Our own Congress has passed laws and for a century given carte blanche to the cartel undermining our currency since it's incepterion-- note the following definition:
The Constitution of the United States, Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort. This offence is punished with death. By the same article of the Constitution, no person shall be convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
Instead, patriots are getting prosecuted?
How many millions of witnesses do we have that money was taken from the US coffers and GIVEN to back bets made by the TBTF...and with this loss of money, our own national security is weakened, thus strengthening our enemies....is this not an act against our own country?
An here lies the problem?: The Teabagger adhering to their neocon and fascist BS (e.g.: only prporty owners should be able to vote, support of the illegal wars) and the Progrssives adhering to their (e.g.: socialist public unions, tax the rich). And never the two sall meet?
Brings up some thoughts in my mind regarding ampedstatus.com
Orginally, I thought ampedstatus was gpoing to be a good experiement in cat hearding and collaboration against the top 1/10 of 1% eleites and teh keltacracy lead by corporate global banking and financial firms.
After reading alot of the posts on ampedstatus and looking at some of the groups formed - I am not so certain.
Being a libertarian at heart or at least and anarco-capitalist I think people should be allowed to find their own way forward without central planning -- having said that individuals that seek to forge legal and monetary weapons to combat the machine need to find common ground to coordinate resources and efforts. Is ampedstatus a social networking tool to enable this, or will it be another failed fringe forum?
END THE FED
Thoughts?
Anarco-capitalist? You may want to learn the correct spelling, and then spend some time studying living conditions in Somalia.
From what I understand, survival-of-the-fittest, anarcho-capitalism creates a really chaotic, merciless, hell-like environment that might well qualify as the single WORST social structure on earth.
On the other hand, if you're fond of hell, it might make sense.
Fascist Socialism doesn't appear to be working too well for the 40 million surviving on food stamps in the US. Esp. when they get pulled off the tit.
The kleptocracy that this country clings to, fueled by Fed money-as-debt, and make-believe corporate earnings, will be the exact hell you refer to, when it all comes unglued. With every social program created, and every new billion of fiat printed, its just climbing more rungs on the ladder of debt to enable a final swan dive deeper into hell.
The POMO won't save your sorry ass fiat money forever. Your only hope is an even more controlling global currency dictated by the IMF and BIS banks directly. So if that's for you, pucker up and kiss the ring of your Masters, bitch.
Anarcho-Capitialism is at least honest (you know what you getting) and leans more toward an Austrian style Free Market Economy, and Libertarian Constitutional framework established by the founders of the U.S. Republic.
LOL... ancap is "merciless"?
WAKE UP. The state is utterly merciless to the millions who are terrorized into turning over half their income. Don't pay? Get locked in a cage. Where is some mercy for all of them?
THAT is the default you are endorsing.
Ancaps leave everyone alone to live as they see fit. Just don't agress.
Let go of the indoctrination.
Somalia! PULEEASE! Somalia is simply a tiny country whose government collapsed, and which continues to suffer interference from larger established countries like Ethiopia and the US. Let's look at a country that is anarcho-capitalist because that is what the people intended based on their tradition and values. The closest example was America under the Articles of Confederation, during which America made a great leap forward.
Damn it.
They can't find a single wall street person to put in jail but they found this guy and the goldman sachs code stealer which just happens can be used to maniulate the market (thank god we never have to worry goldman would do something like that).
Our justice system is being used like
Russia's. I keep telling you they know revolution is coming and like every good kleptocracy they need examples tomake people afraid.
"Our justice system is being used like Russia's . . . "
Yep.
How appropriate this took place in Buncombe County.
(In case you didn't know this is where the term bunk or bunkum originated)
Wow a terrorist! I feel so much safer...thanks FBI (sarc off)
They also got his silver...
I'm curious how the prosecutor/FBI agents involved feel when they go home at night. I mean do they suffer any sort of pangs of conscience...you know that little voice that says "hey Harold, sure you got the trophy wife and a big fat paycheck and get to carry a gun...but that old man REALLY wasn't guilty of anything except of being a crank...maybe you shouldn't have been so aggressive in prosecuting him...no he's lost everything and may go to jail where he'll die surrounded by no one, not even his family..."
I wonder if Dr. Paul may be able to intervene on his behalf and get the old man probation?
"Don't steal, the government doesn't like the competition."
I feel so much safer now.
I wonder if the FBI got the ATF Wingnuts involved for a little adrenaline and some photo op's?
I'm certain that little old ladies, kids running lemonade stands, and boyz in the hood are much safer now because they could NEVER tell the difference between coins and currency of the realm (Kleptocracy) and ones made by a man in his garage.
Why, if it weren't for the crack troops of the FBI poor innocent civilians would be taking Monopoly money as real currency!
Just don't tell the FBI accolytes that Federal Reserve dollars are little different than Monopoly money or they might start questioning their masters.
I want the guy on the horse and I won't play if I have to take the thimble!
I'm gonna show my age - my fave's were the colored wooden ones - a lifetime ago, back when Monopoly was just a game...
Huh?
“Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism,” U.S. Attorney Anne Tompkins said. “While these forms of anti-government activities do not involve violence, they are every bit as insidious and represent a clear and present danger to the economic stability of this country.”
She should be going after Ben and Tmmeh.
Exactly! How can you defined the FRN as "the legitimate currency." How is this undermining? Because as a result someone might become confused and think an FRN was actually worth something?
...an eight-day trial and less than two hours of deliberation...
Hmmm..
"We are determined to meet these threats through infiltration, disruption, and dismantling of organizations which seek to challenge the legitimacy of our democratic form of government.”
With a mandate like that..appears there's LOTS of work to be done...
Statesville, NC is right up the road from me. I'd heard about the Liberty Dollar and that he'd been shut down.
I think he tried too hard. He should have just stuck with silver rounds. But he had $7 million worth of silver (2005 prices?). The JP Morgue will be happy to take it off his hands now.
The new consumer protection agency run by the federal reserve, for the federal reserve, is the new citizen nightmare agency. They can track your individual transactions in real time and limit credit lending to banks, thereby eliminating small private and family lending --- all for our protection.
It won't be long now before that's all people will want. Silver or Gold. it will be interesting to see the Feds trying to prosecute State Governers for creating alternate form of currency in the event of a dollar collapse which is immanent as far as I'm concerned!!
Funny thing about the currency laws of the U.S., they were originally intended to prevent others from debasing or destabilizing the U.S. currency, through counterfeit or reduction of metal content. Now they are being used to prevent others from preventing the debasement.
There is one problem in the World,people became disconnected each with other and International govrnment and FED fighting us country buy country(it would be impossible without FED printed funds to do any military operation untill making order in own country instead making Chaos world wide continuely bumping commodities prices into our bills) making us slaves of their wishfull thinking mashines,people,unite on our blog and vote for FED existence,tell it yur friend or co-worker,it looks like every one hate FED,but in practice makes nothing to stop it from doing chaos in the world,take 5seconds and tell to the friend:
http://trendybull777.blog.com/2011/02/21/hello-world/
http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20050601083007/http://www.libertydollar...
It would be interesting if this guy find god lawyer and fight back to FBI and whole american printing press system,its enough with govrnment monolpolies on our hard earned money,its not enough that they regulate left and right markets,not enough that they pumping inflation,no enough that they devalue our values,they also want to be monopoly on all what man can-our lifes,people must unite with such guy and stand with protesting against FED going by 10000s into the court,there was on guy whom whole World was shut up watching:Chodorskovsky,the second world capitalisation company and no one gave a word to protest excluding some small groups of people in Russia.You are people deserve what you get,because you would be shooted one by one as rats,under the "idea" of total power domination,they will tell:"He is terrorist","he is money launder","he is intervine into FED printing","He is.........."-whatever,you are all very very single and untill you people get together regardless your nationalities and ask God for help from the Chaose which your governments costs us then may be Heavens will listen,but i hardly believe that with attitue like now you can achieve something,but slowly inlslavement one by one
This is such a sham case. Recall how long the Treasury tried to get the public to accept the Susan B. Anthony coin, but the public wasn't fooled. Nobody who has seen a Liberty Dollar coin confuses it with the counterfeit money issued by the Treasury or Federal Reserve Corporation.
“Article I, section 8, clause 5 of the United States Constitution delegates to Congress the power to coin money and to regulate the value thereof”
So I guess it’s OK for the fed a privately owned central bank to coin money.
Double standard bitches
Another joke! His lawyer probably sold him out. He should have counter claimed. The are letting a monopoly by a private party.
There is also another flaw (possbily) in the stautes . No currency is explicitly banned. The statute only affirms what the will recongize as legal tender it's not a prohibition.
legal tender means legal offer and there are a multude of "legal offers".
What is exactly "in the United States" factually speaking?
Where was the ACLU on this?
If BOTH parties FREELY and VOLUNTARILY choose to exchange Liberty Dollars in a financial transaction - where is the problem?
The FED and the IRS need to go bye bye asap...
I don't know this case in detail, but what I don't understand is why anyone would want to denominate a "real currency" or "real money" in anything but grams?
Honest money should not be denominated in dishonest, fictional terms like "dollar", "peso", "yen" or anything else.
Honest money is grams of gold, or grams of silver.
I wonder why anyone would want to mess with anything partly honest and real, and partly fiction.
Dollar is actually defined as a quantity of silver in the US constitution.
How much silver is one dollar, according to the US constitution?
So let's see.
You can play all sorts of online games which have their own internal digital money used to buy things within the game. That money can be bought using FRN or it can be earned in-game (meaning the game developer is creating it out of thin air). Therefore, the digital alternative currency is directly competing against FRN to buy in-game goods and services (to the extent that the developers create the currency in-game and allow it to be "earned").
So my question to the FBI is simple. Regarding liberty dollars, HOW THE HELL IS THIS ANY DIFFERENT?
When are they going to start arresting game developers?
Jury Nullification
Learn it, Love it, Use it...
Haven't any of you jurors heard of jury nullification?
When dealing with a tyrannical government, Fed Bureau of Idiots and "Empty Suit" Holder worthless moronic prosecutors...
Nullify these ridiculous charges.
You lemming sheeple jurors buy every piece of bullshit the Feds shovel at you? Wake the fuck up.
Don't steal - the government hates competition!
“Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism,” U.S. Attorney Tompkins
Um. Federal Reserve Notes aren't legitimate currency of this country. They are illegally and unconstitutionally issued by bankers.
It should be noted that the Federal Reserve bank and other bankers illegitimately issuing the currency of our nation is global terrorism and should be tried by Tompkins.
Heh. The first thing I thought was "The FBI arrested the Utah legislature."
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/51349269-76/bill-tax-currency-alternative.html.csp
Ironic :
Legislator says North Carolina needs its own currencyRead more: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/03/17/2147318/legislator-says-the-state-needs.html#ixzz1H7rTZ3Ln
This puts the desperation of Uncle Scam to perpetuate the Ponzi known as the US dollar into stark relief. A conviction truly worthy of a banana republic.
There are two videos, an interview of Bernard von NotHaus from 2007 and one of Ron Paul from December 2010 in the article at WTF Finance.
http://www.wtffinance.com/2011/03/founder-von-nothaus-of-liberty-dollar-...
This recalls the final times of the French Assignat.
Nothaus should have never put a dollar denomination on his ingots. He was getting some free publicity a few years back on another popular website and despite my warnings about this issue my content got scrubbed. Apparently it was too important to push the guys wares then it was to give him some grassroots common sense. If you have subordinates listen to them once in awhile. You might save some money and a great big hassle.