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FBI Translator Submitted Report Entitled "Kamikaze Pilots" to Bureau 5 Months Before 9/11 Warning of Al Qaeda Attacks on U.S. Cities

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According to newly-declassified documents (and see this),
an FBI translator filed a report with the Bureau entitled "Kamikaze
Pilots", warning of an al-Qaeda plot to attack America in a suicide
mission involving planes within the near future.

As Sibel Edmonds (herself a former FBI translator) wrote last month:

 

The memorandum [prepared by the 9/11 Commission], after establishing [Former FBI translator Behrooz Sarshar's] credibility and vaguely referring to his documented and witnessed testimony regarding specific tip(s) provided to the FBI in April and June 2001 regarding planned imminent "Kamikaze Pilots" attacks targeting major cities in the United States, leaves out the entire testimony. This testimony was also entirely left out of the Commission's final report released in July 2004.

Behrooz Sarshar worked as a GS 12 language specialist with Top Secret Clearance at the FBI Washington Field Office. After leaving the FBI in 2002, he provided his testimony on "Kamikaze Pilots" to several Congressional offices and investigators, including staff of the Senate Judiciary Committee and the Committee's leading Democrat at the time, Senator Patrick Leahy, and the Justice Department's Inspector General Office. The congressional sources familiar with Mr. Sarshar's case and briefing found him and his report credible:

A former Grassley investigator says he found Sarshar credible, too. "We thought he was a pretty credible guy," said former Senate Judiciary Committee investigator Kris Kolesnik.

In April and June of 2001 a long-term FBI informant told two FBI agents from the Washington field office that his sources in Afghanistan had provided him with information regarding a terrorist plot to attack the US in a suicide mission involving airplanes. Mr. Sarshar acted as an interpreter at both meetings after which the case agents filed a report (on 302 Forms) with their squad supervisor.....

 

 

 

 

 

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The 9/11 Commissioners had initially refused to interview Mr. Sarshar. He was one of several witnesses from the intelligence and law enforcement organizations with relevant testimonies and reports who were denied access to the commission (the ones that we know of). It was only after pressure from members of the 9/11 Family Steering Committee and memorandums from the congressional offices that the commission reluctantly agreed to interview Mr. Sarshar. However, his entire testimony was omitted from their final report. According to a Chicago Tribune investigative reporter even FBI Director Mueller appeared baffled by the Commission's lack of inquiry into this particular case:

FBI Director Robert Mueller, who expected to be asked about the case during an appearance before the commission in April, was surprised when the commissioners never raised the question, according to aides.

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During my short tenure with the Bureau, I was briefed about this case by not only Mr. Sarshar but other firsthand witnesses, and I saw the actual 302 forms filed with the unit's squad supervisor (FBI language specialists get to keep a copy of their reports/forms).

 

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I believe not only the families of the September 11th attacks but every American has the right to know about this case. They need to know that this significant report was completely censored by a quasi commission, that this is one of many cases that were omitted from this staged and rehearsed show to pacify the public's need to know, and that there never was any real investigation into this horrific event used in reshaping not only our country, but the entire world.

Sibel Edmonds herself has been deemed credible by the Department of Justice's Inspector General, several senators (free subscription required), and a coalition of prominent conservative and liberal groups.

Edmonds says that the government was provided with information about the planned attacks, including the fact that the attacks would be carried out using airplanes ("I saw papers that show US knew al-Qaeda would attack cities with airplanes"), and some information about date ranges and targets.

But two FBI translators' claims cannot possibly discredit the claims of the Bush administration that terrorists crashing planes into buildings was not foreseeable, right?

Corroborating Evidence

In fact, according to MSNBC, "There have been a slew of reports over the past decade of plots to use planes to strike American targets".

In 1994, the government received information that international terrorists "had seriously considered the use of airplanes as a means of carrying out terrorist attacks" (see also this article).

According to the New York Times, "The F.B.I. had been aware for several years that Osama bin Laden and his terrorist network were training pilots in the United States ...."

In 1998, U.S. officials received reports concerning a "Bin Laden plot involving aircraft in the New York and Washington, areas." Officials received reports that al Qaeda was trying to establish an operative cell in the United States and that bin Laden was attempting to recruit a group of five to seven young men from the United States to travel to the Middle East for training in conjunction with his plans to strike U.S. domestic targets.

Indeed, the report concluded that "a group of unidentified Arabs planned to fly an explosive-laden plane . . . into the World Trade Center".

A 1999 report for the National Intelligence Council warned that fanatics loyal to bin Laden might try to hijack a jetliner and fly it into the Pentagon.

There were extraordinarily high terrorist attack threat levels in the summer of 2001, involving threats of attack within the U.S., and the U.S. government knew there were Al-Qaeda cells within the U.S. (or watch the video here).

In July 2001, a briefing prepared for senior government officials warned of "a significant terrorist attack against U.S. and/or Israeli interests in the coming weeks. The attack will be spectacular and designed to inflict mass casualties ... (it) will occur with little or no warning.".

Shortly afterwards, the Attorney General stopped flying commercial aircraft within the United States based on a threat assessment by the FBI.

FBI agents recommended to FBI headquarters, in July 2001, an urgent nationwide review of flight schools regarding terrorism, and mentioned Bin Laden by name.

2 months before 9/11, intelligence services believed that Bin Laden intended to crash airplanes into the G8 Summit in order to kill President Bush and other world leaders. Condoleezza Rice was very focused on this threat to President Bush.

A pre-9/11 National Intelligence Estimate was entitled "Islamic Extremists Learn to Fly", and was apparently about Islamic people taking classes at U.S. flight schools.

The Federal Aviation Administration “had indeed considered the possibility that terrorists would hijack a plane and use it as a weapon,” and in 2001 it distributed a CD-ROM presentation to airlines and airports that cited the possibility of a suicide hijacking.

President Bush was told in August 2001 that supporters of Bin Laden planned an attack within the U.S. with explosives and that they wanted to hijack airplanes.

A month before 9/11, the CIA sent a message to the Federal Aviation Administration warning of a possible hijacking "or an act of sabotage against a commercial airliner".

"Israeli intelligence officials say that they warned their counterparts in the United States [in August 2001] that large-scale terrorist attacks on highly visible targets on the American mainland were imminent."

The August 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Brief was entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US".

According to National Public Radio, the former CIA Director had warned congress shortly before 9/11 "that there could be an attack, an imminent attack, on the United States of this nature. So this is not entirely unexpected".

U.S. intelligence officials informed President Bush weeks before the Sept. 11 attacks that Bin Laden's terrorist network might try to hijack American planes, and that information prompted administration officials to issue a private warning to transportation officials and national security agencies.

It was widely known within the FBI shortly before 9/11 that an imminent attack was planned on lower Manhattan.

An employee who worked in the Twin Towers stated "How could they let this happen? They knew this building was a target. Over the past few weeks we'd been evacuated a number of times, which is unusual. I think they had an inkling something was going on".

And a guard who worked in the world trade center stated that "officials had recently taken steps to secure the towers against aerial attacks".

On September 6, 2001, Condoleezza Rice was warned that a terrorist attack inside the United States was imminent.

Also on September 6th, author Salman Rushdie was banned by US authorities from taking internal US flights; the FAA told his publisher the reason was that it had “intelligence of something about to happen”.

The National Security Agency and the FBI were both independently listening in on the phone calls between the supposed mastermind of the attacks and the lead hijacker. Indeed, the FBI built its own antenna in Madagascar specifically to listen in on the mastermind's phone calls. The day before 9/11, the mastermind told the lead hijacker "tomorrow is zero hour" and gave final approval for the attacks. The NSA intercepted the message that day and the FBI was likely also monitoring the mastermind's phone calls. (The NSA claims that it did not translate the intercept until September 12th; however, the above-mentioned FBI translator said that she was frequently ordered to falsify dates of translations regarding 9/11).

Newsweek stated "On Sept. 10, NEWSWEEK has learned, a group of top Pentagon officials suddenly canceled travel plans for the next morning, apparently because of security concerns" (pay-per-view; cached version of article here).

9/11 family member and "Jersey Girl" Patty Casazza was told by whistleblowers that -- before 9/11 -- the government knew the exact day, the type of attack, and the targets.

The Military Had Drilled for Attacks Such as 9/11

Indeed, the military had actually drilled for aerial attacks with planes.

The North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), the military air defense agency responsible for protecting the U.S. mainland, had run drills for several years of planes being used as weapons against the World Trade Center and other U.S. high-profile buildings, and "numerous types of civilian and military aircraft were used as mock hijacked aircraft". In other words, drills using REAL AIRCRAFT simulating terrorist attacks crashing jets into buildings, including the twin towers, were run.

And the military had conducted numerous drills of planes crashing into the Pentagon. For example, see this official military website showing a military drill conducted in 2000 using miniatures; this article concerning a May 2001 exercise of a plane crashing into the Pentagon (see also this article and this one); and this article about yet another drill of a plane hitting the Pentagon from August 2001.

The military had also run war games involving multiple, simultaneous hijackings (first paragraph), so this aspect of 9/11 was not as overwhelming as we have been led to believe.

See this short excerpt of a Peter Jennings newscast on 9/11 (excuse the music and subtitles).

There are literally hundreds of further examples of facts which tend to show that 9/11 was foreseeable (see this timeline for additional information).

If It Wasn't Foreseeable Before, It Was Then ...

Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta testified to the 9/11 Commission:

"During the time that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President … the plane is 50 miles out…the plane is 30 miles out….and when it got down to the plane is 10 miles out, the young man also said to the vice president “do the orders still stand?” And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said “Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary!?"

 

 

(this testimony is confirmed here and here).

So even if 9/11 wasn't foreseeable before 9/11, it was foreseeable to Dick Cheney - the man in charge of all counter-terrorism exercises, activities and responses on 9/11 (see this Department of State announcement, this CNN article and this essay) - as the plane was still 50 miles away from the Pentagon.

But What Do High-Level Officials Say?

In addition to the former CIA director and other credible witnesses discussed above, many high-level officials have gone on record raising questions concerning the foreseeability of the attacks:

Former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland said "As each day goes by, we learn that this government knew a whole lot more about these terrorists before Sept. 11 than it has ever admitted" (he also said, when he resigned from the 9/11 Commission: "It is a national scandal"; "This investigation is now compromised"; and "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up".)

The former head of the Department of Homeland Security (then a top justice department terrorism prosecutor) said "As of Sept. 10th, each of us knew everything we needed to know to tell us there was a possibility of what happened on Sept. 11th . . . We knew the World Trade Center was a target . . . We knew an airplane could be used as a weapon."

Then-ranking Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee and a member of the joint intelligence committee that investigated 9/11 stated "They don't have any excuse because the information was in their lap, and they didn't do anything to prevent it"

Then-current chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee was "not surprised there was an attack ...."

Pentagon Papers whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg said "very serious questions have been raised about what they [U.S. government officials] knew beforehand." See this, this and this.

Former White House counsel John Dean stated "It seems very probable that those in the White House knew much more than they have admitted . . . After pulling together the information in the 9/11 Report, it is understandable why Bush is stonewalling. It is not very difficult to deduce what the president knew, and when he knew it [Dean is echoing the questions asked by Watergate prosecutors]. And the portrait that results is devastating."

A British member of Parliament said "It is known that at least 11 countries provided advance warning to the US of the 9/11 attacks . . . . It had been known as early as 1996 that there were plans to hit Washington targets with airplanes. Then in 1999 a US national intelligence council report noted that "al-Qaida suicide bombers could crash-land an aircraft packed with high explosives into the Pentagon, the headquarters of the CIA, or the White House.'"

A 24-year Air Force veteran and former Vice Chancellor for Student Affairs at the Defense Language Institute said "Of course Bush knew about the impending attacks on America. He did nothing to warn the American people because he needed this war on terrorism".

U.S. General, Commanding General of U.S. European Command and Supreme Allied Commander Europe, decorated with the Bronze Star, Silver Star, and Purple Heart (General Wesley Clark) said "We've never finished the investigation of 9/11 and whether the administration actually misused the intelligence information it had. The evidence seems pretty clear to me. I've seen that for a long time".

Former Federal Prosecutor, Office of Special Investigations, U.S. Department of Justice under Presidents Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan; former U.S. Army Intelligence officer, and currently a widely-sought media commentator on terrorism and intelligence services (John Loftus) says "The information provided by European intelligence services prior to 9/11 was so extensive that it is no longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert a defense of incompetence".

The Group Director on matters of national security in the U.S. Government Accountability Office said that President Bush did not respond to unprecedented warnings of the 9/11 disaster and conducted a massive cover-up instead of accepting responsibility.

Obviously, given the above, terrorists crashing planes into buildings was foreseeable.

 

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Fri, 02/18/2011 - 21:46 | 976361 SuperRay
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The world has never been the same since the presidential coup of 1963. 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm1u6qZyQ4w

 

 

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 11:54 | 974223 DOT
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I am priveledged to live in an area that enjoys a connection to

what is real. I can go outside on those special days when farmers

haul-out and spred. Smells like freedom.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGazkrOXPR4&feature=related

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 11:20 | 974035 falak pema
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One fact escapes you all : 9/11 occurred after 9/10. On previous day, Osama phoned Obama and told him nose to nose he had been programmed by OZ of Shamtanistan to become George in George's place. Of course Dubya got his lines crossed. He knew he was George as son of George...so how could another George be programmed to replace him. He forgot that George had replaced George when GW replaced George III. It's a shame when you don't know your history. George was reading his history book in kinder class when he found that out. Osama knew  George from Gorge as he ball gazed into OZ after saying 'achtung' to twenty oddballs in their flying machines. But then Osama is no fool to mistake one George for another. Only GW of ZH does that. He thinks he should be in George Obama's place. We'll find out come Nov 2012...if the Tea pot hasn't called the kettle black by then.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 11:20 | 974031 Pee Wee
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Bankers and Al Qaeda are one and the same -- government sponsored terrorists.

Mission Accomplished!

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 12:14 | 974313 palmereldritch
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Al Banksta = 91oba1i$m

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 11:09 | 973983 Jim in MN
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We had already declared war (de facto) both by stationing troops in Saudi and by Enron/Unocal and US agents telling the Taliban they could have either a carpet of flowers or a carpet of bombs (B-52s, nice old school tech there) in the context of their Afghan pipeline.  Then there were those little cruise missles......

Maybe Clinton 'forgot' to tell Bush we had declared war on them?  Or maybe he didn't.

What's the diff?  The Enron-9/11 connection tells you all you need to know about the global elite. 

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 11:02 | 973954 DOT
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The Beast gathers information without discernment

and in its haste discards what is important.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:47 | 973910 Mad Mad Woman
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They wanted to let the terrorists attack us for their own nefarious reasons. Bastards!

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:39 | 973884 Madhouse
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Rice was to Bush as Robin was to Howard Stern.... except that I would trust Robin any day of the week over that lying bitch Rice....she lied for eight years...zero shame...

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:39 | 973883 Shylockracy
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MIHOP, bitchez.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:39 | 973881 RocketmanBob
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GW,

I'm a lttle surprised to find out that you're a trooooofer.

1) The information gained during the session where the interpreter translated was sketchy at best, no specific cities, dates, or any other details; heck, it didn't even specify whether the US or Europe would be the target!

2) I'm amused that you find the US military training for a contingency, yet unable to act before the planes hit the tower, to be proof of a conspiracy.  In the first place, there was no way that aircraft could have been scrambled from nearby bases in order to stop the first jet from hitting the tower.  As someone who has spent time manning the "Alert 7" fighter in the Navy, I can say that even aircraft prepared to respond need at least a few minutes to start up and get into the air.  Second, among all of the traffic in the skies, and all of the "unknowns" of that morning, how were the authorities supposed to sort through this to determine which aircraft they should be worried about?

Contrary to the oft repeated meme I have heard over the years, just because a transponder is switched off doesn't mean that an aircraft as large as the airliners in question dissapears from view of the air traffic controllers.

And GW, it's standard operating procedure for the military to practice responding to many contingencies, no matter how outlandish they may seem.  Without knowing it's impossible to say with certainty, but, I'm pretty sure most of their wargames had assumed they would know which aircraft had gone rogue, instead of what actually occurred, and the exercises most likely centered around the protocols for firing on the hijacked ship.

So in view of these considerations, and since there was only approximately 15 minutes between the WTC impacts, and also a lot of airspace to protect, including Washington DC, I think that it hasty to see some shadow of conspiracy in the confluence of these events.

3) One of the more important things to remember is that at the time of the 9/11 attacks, terrorist threat were still being handled as matters of exclusively law enforcement,  like Mr Holder, Mr Obama, and many others seem to think they should be being handled to this dayas opposed to being dealt with via the national security apparatus.

4) I especially liked the one liner about "Darth" Cheney you threw in near the end.  Cheney may be many things you and a number of folks dislike, but a grand orchestrator of the 9/11 conspiracy?  That's pretty rich!

 

There are a great number of threats are recieved, and investigated daily.  According to some accounts, the "smoking gun" you speak of, the interview of the Iranian ex-pat, was both vague and from a questionable source regarding heresay.  It's not surprising that it would not have been paid much attention at the time.

Hindsight is 20/20, as the aphorism goes, so it's easier to see that this tip was more credible than it may have appeared.  But regardless of the clarity of hindsight, to read any more into this than, at worst, an intelligence failure by law enforcement, is a stretch, in my humble opinion...

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 11:05 | 973961 GreenSideUp
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re: #3 Military jets were and have been scrambled on numerous occasions for rogue aircraft.  Golfer Payne Stewart's rogue aircraft comes to mind.  

On 9/11, jets were scrambled but not from Andrews AFB; instead from distant bases such as Langley. I live close to Langley and distinctly remember hearing the news report and thinking, "WTF???"

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/norad/#scramble

 

 

 

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:37 | 973877 Madhouse
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Immediately following the attacks, President George W. Bush stated that "nobody in our government at least, and I don't the think the prior government, could envisage flying air planes into buildings" and National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice claimed no-one "could have predicted that they would try to use an airplane as a missile". An Air Force general called the attack "something we had never seen before, something we had never even thought of."[1] Soon after the attacks, FBI Director Robert Mueller announced "there were no warning signs that I'm aware of that would indicate this type of operation in the country."[1]

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:34 | 973859 cranky-old-geezer
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That does it, GW has destroyed what little credibility he had.

"Al-Qaeda". What a fucking joke.  Dumbass Americans believe any bullshit govt spews out.

I don't know why TD allows this trash on ZH.

I don't know why anyone believes anything govt says anymore.

9/11 was a(nother) blatantly obvious inside job.

Iraq was a(nother) blatantly obvious American imperialistic invasion and occupation.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:28 | 973855 falak pema
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High Plains drifter : u a cigar smoker too?

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:26 | 973847 lincolnsteffens
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I give up. Today is a very sad day for me. I had only thought it was only through stupidity or errors this happened. All I had heard that was credible was a single FBI agent had reported unusual activity at a flight school. All else I had dismissed as the usual conspiracy crap.

Perhaps we will learn something from the Arab world rising up to lead the world by example.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:26 | 973844 High Plains Drifter
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Such discussion is ad hoc. There were no Kamikaze Pilots used in the 911 attacks so why even go into it. Supposedly these "Arab hijackers" were trained to fly big jets over a few months period down in Florida , on simulators and Piper cubs at a flying school that is connected to the CIA, give me a break already. Yeh we get this information that is "newly declassified" and fed to the information starved 911 truth seekers. Thanks. and thanks a lot. Not buying a word of it. It is disinformation. We have traitors in the land, traitors that must be dealt with in a most harsh manner.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:23 | 973833 falak pema
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one of them happens to be in GW's chair! 

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:22 | 973832 GreenSideUp
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GW,

I assume you've read about Project Bojinka?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bojinka_plot

And the PNAC doc, Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategies, Forces, and Resources For a New Century (pre-planned runup to War in Iraq--difficult to do "absent another Pearl Harbor")

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/NAC304A.html

When I heard Condaleeza Rice on teevee saying (paraphrasing) that the admin couldn't imagine aircraft being used as weapons...(hello?  Had she ever heard of Pearl Harbor?), I knew something wasn't quite right.

And then, they dusted off the Patriot Act, written well before 9/11, and passed it with only a handful of nay votes...And look who got prosecuted:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig12/lindauer1.1.1.html


Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:42 | 973895 Bob
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Wow.  RIP Tea Party--beware of billionaires (the Koch brothers) bearing gifts, folks.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:06 | 973781 Twindrives
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The only difference between Obama and Osama is the method they each use to destroy the United States.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:26 | 973848 GreenSideUp
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Yes but it's all terrorism.  The biggest difference is that we don't see the bodies in the streets...yet...

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 09:59 | 973751 falak pema
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@notadouche : One point needs historical clarification. The First Iraq war in 1991 involved through operation desert storm seen world-wide, "only on CNN!" remember!, 500000 armed US personnel on 'sacred' Islamic Saudi soil. As the shit had hit the fans when 'spear carrier' Saddam having failed to capture shia Iran for US/Saudi sponsors, reneged by taking Kuwait to pay himself some hard needed xtra cash. When Saudi panicked, US landed. This created extreme indignation amongst the fundamentalist Saudi clique who had been financing rabid Islam in Algeria, Sudan and Pakistan (Taliban vs USSR in Afghanistan) for decades.

US arrogance during this stint and subsequent permanent presence of troops on 'sacred' soil created the Frankenstien monster we hunt today somewhere around Peshawar. So 9/11 was indirectly fueled by this US presence in Saudi in 91-2000. Clinton had no interest in foreign policy. When Dubya came to power he was big into taking out 'that shit Saddam' who humiliated his dad. So he and Cheney knew...as they were deep into US/Saudi lovey-dovey as THEY were BIG OIL, not hilly billy Monica's cigar lover...

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 09:53 | 973735 gwar5
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Because the blame covers two administrations -- Clinton and Bush -- it's no surprise they try to make the government blameless.  They continue to want the public to believe the government is the answer to everything.

Al-Qaeda declared war on the USA long ago in the Clinton administration was ignored for years as Americans were targted arouund the world in escalating attacks and carnage.

 

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 09:52 | 973733 New_Meat
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Jamie Gorelick could not be reached for comment, e.g.:

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2008/09/jamie-gorelick-mistress-of-disa...

- Ned

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 09:40 | 973674 notadouche
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The thing I question about the idea that all the information was ignored because Bush/Cheney wanted to go to war is that the information had beenignored going back to the late 1980's and through the Clinto era.  It seems a systemic failure of our government from both parties for more than a decade.  How do we explain that.  Maybe, just maybe our government was too arrogant, too smug, too elitist to ever believe we would be attacked on our own soil.  Bush certainly didn't know anything because you can't fake that befuddled look he had on his face with the kindergartners that morning.  He's actually got an alibi as for pre knowledge.  I think we give our govt way too much credit for it's intellectual,analytical and creative abilities.  They may have all the info but that doesn't mean they know what to do with it, much like a dog chasing a car.  Or maybe even more to the point, they get the information and instead of asking what's the best action to take now to safeguard the country, the first machinations are about the politics of it and the angles that can be played instead of just doing the right thing at the right time reguardless of the politics of the thing.  In fact we have evidence the government at all levels think that way from an economic standpoint so why wouldn't that type of thinking permeate all topics, including defense.  And that is where Americans of all political affiliations need to be frightened as that type of thinking is why we continue to circle the bowl.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:00 | 973757 Bob
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Anybody can fake that befuddled look.  Most practice it from childhood.  Picture yourself getting stopped by a traffic cop.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 09:43 | 973703 johnQpublic
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OR, you can believe what some of the 911 commisioners said after the fact, which was that it was all part of a thirty year ongoing plan

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 09:59 | 973749 notadouche
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But then I would have to believe that the Arab world doesn't just hate us because of GW Bush and that's what the NYTimes, the paper of record tells me that is the problem.  And we all know the media wouldn't lead us down the wrong road.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 09:33 | 973665 DOT
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Pretending to be all things for all people= The great Satan

Get past the emotion and the metaphor works quite well

 

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 09:25 | 973643 Monday1929
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While this post will attract endless theories, the main point beyond dispute it that after the attacks there was an official cover-up and that whether or not the U.S. govt was behind this particular attack, they are certainly capable of this much evil, and are not allied with the American People.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 09:27 | 973633 DOT
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Even without a philosophical lens to sift through the mess that pretends

to be governance on behalf of the People, it is clear that as the bureaucracies

grow larger, error will expand rapidly.  The People have been conditioned to

believe shit  smells like freedom.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 09:22 | 973629 robobbob
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Why are so many of you so hung up on Bush?

What is happening is a conspiracy of vast proportions. Do you think Bush and Cheney were out shredding documents and burying evidence? They were only in office for eight months. The only way any of this could be possible would if there was an ongoing network already in place, and is STILL IN PLACE COVERING UP EVIDENCE.

 Do you think an election some how replaces the entire government apparatus, and isn't just a change of spokesman?

You can vote for American Idol all you want and change who is on stage, but you can't change the rules, you can't change the judges, you can't change the stagehands, and you absolutely CAN'T CHANGE WHO OWNS THE SHOW. 

And as long as you keep playing Team Red Team Blue, you will never understand what's happening

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 09:51 | 973729 Yes_Questions
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+1

Not Bush himself, but the key members of his administration, their entrenched positions, and vision for American economic dominance in the 21st century. 

Page 63:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf.

 

These were the opening credits of this show.


Fri, 02/18/2011 - 09:57 | 973719 Bob
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I missed the part where people are hung up on Bush here.  You make a good point about the bigger picture, though.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 09:40 | 973690 johnQpublic
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my man ,you are spot the fuck on

 

take a look at baby bush at the school that day reading the goat story....notice the cover....american flag, and hes got the book upside down, the unversal distress signal

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 09:28 | 973650 stev3e
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+100

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 09:15 | 973614 VicariouslySelf...
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Maybe Raskolnikov's theory was right

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:08 | 973784 mrhonkytonk1948
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When God is dead, everything is permitted?  I forget.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 09:11 | 973608 johnQpublic
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they could have paid attention to these various sources, or bill hicks, or alex jones, or the tv movie 'smoking gun', or some of their own activity....i've seen pictures on the net of 'them' gathered around a mockup of the pentagon with a little busted jumbo jet in the middle

 

OR...

they looked at all of it and said, "now theres an idea, we should try that and blame it on....."

 

odd how the tv reporters nailed down who was responsible for the attacks within minutes

oh, why do i even bother?

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 09:14 | 973612 johnQpublic
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once more for those who havent seen it before

 

we are one shape shifting reptilian distributing ameros at roswell away from every single conspiracy theory known to man being proven true

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 09:23 | 973631 Zero Govt
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who needs conspiracy theories when realities like Washington-Wall Street is so in-your-face corrupt?!!

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 09:46 | 973716 Bob
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True.  It reminds me of the fool who pretends he's gonna go violent against somebody, yells "hold me back" and then theatrically struggles against his restraints as if he was really going to do something.

We know far more as incontrovertable facts than we need to know to justify taking this whole fucking charade down. 

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 09:55 | 973744 Zero Govt
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yep, the criminal members of Club Parasite are walking around in broad daylight committing illegal wars, robbing society, ruining the property market... presumably we're all waiting for a small boy to shout "the Emperor's wearing no clothes" to trigger something?

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:09 | 973788 Bob
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Yesterday Ratigan suckered Senator Issa onto his show ostensibly to talk about his Countrywide subpoenas and then hammered him over and over with pointed demands to know when anybody in Government--including him--is going to investigate and prosecute banksters.  Issa hemmed and hawed and could only end in agreement that he too "hopes somebody is going to seriously look into it." 

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 09:14 | 973592 Zero Govt
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Oh Dear, the 'intelligence' service got the data in and went dumbo. The 'security' services left the goalposts wide open. Where have we heard that before?

Ah yes, the Madoff whistleblowers gave the 'safety' regulators SEC clear evidence. They ignored the risk and carnage resulted.

And yes, the police are crap at dealing with real criminals but they're great at bullying legit society with 100's of petty fines.

Roll up, roll up for the greatest Clown Show on Earth: Government.

Everything Govt says is a lie. Everything they promise to achieve they will deliver the exact opposite. Every rule they make they will break a hundred times over. Everything Govt touches turns to crap. Enuf already, time for a fuking scenery change

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 08:17 | 973527 falak pema
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US Govt has one big fish on agenda : get Julian Assange, the Wikileaks archangel to US soil. Pronto...That should start playing out soon...

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:25 | 973841 oldmanofthesee
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Whatever happened to the "list of names", given to Assange, by the Swiss banking guy, showing all the high level US players, with secret Swiss bank accounts? Just askin'.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 08:34 | 973547 dick cheneys ghost
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assange is a gov. plant or tool, im convinced of it. all this crap is about OIL and CHINA and US insolvency..

 

http://nakedempire.wordpress.com/

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 09:34 | 973666 Hernando
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Dead on!

OPEC have been planning on replacing the USD as their reserve currency with an OPEC currency of their own.  If change takes place in the Gulf states (e.g., Bahrain, UAE), will this derail the currency movement?

 

Massive rapid change in the ME is dangerous for the regional Oligarchy, Israel and for the world economy.  However, we cannot ignore that the timing of this has been planned to create the chaos of a magnitude, which cannot be repaired, except by American and NATO forces.

 

This is the start of another ME war.  More working and lower middle class American kids are headed to war.  Bring back the draft so that everyone's kids get to die and be wounded.

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