Fear of Terror Makes People Stupid

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Tue, 06/21/2011 - 16:37 | 1390154 eddiebe
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As long as we can't hold the people perpetrating 'the war on terror' accountable, there is no help for moving ahead in a sane way.
When it comes to the leaders in this country it appears to be a greater offence to get caught with your pants down, than with a smoking gun.

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 16:38 | 1390145 Bubbles
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goldnguns,

The fact that you happen to be acquainted to two friends who lost their lives on 9-11 is sad, but it also exactly irrelevant to the truth value of the statistics quoted in the post.  Logically, it has no place in evaluating a rational course of action to prepare, respond to, or avoid terrorist attacks.  The risk of terrorist attacks were an entirely predictable consequence of the imperial policy pursued by the Pentagon/Washington/Military-industrial complex in the Middle East, and analysts warned us of exactly that.

The point is that the federal gov has shown itself to be expert at (1) setting up the preconditions that will maximize fury among Middle-East populations (2) funding and supporting dangerous radical factions (Al Queda & Mujahadeen, for instance) that later turn on us (3) ignoring impending attacks (Wilson's communique to Rice in 2001) or even setting up future attacks (remember the Underwear Bomber?).  Then, when the attack occurs, public fear is whipped up and the most extreme anti-liberty, unconstitutional countermeasures are forced through congress riding on a shock wave of flag-waving lunacy.

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 16:39 | 1390161 dexter_morgan
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ah fer f$%ks sakes.......

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 16:09 | 1390013 stant
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neutron debt bomb , gets rid of the people leaves empty streets and buildings

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 16:05 | 1390012 stant
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neutron debt bomb , gets rid of the people leaves empty streets and buildings

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 15:43 | 1389923 goldnguns
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Dear George

Get a grip.  Bull Run could have been prevented, Pearl Harbor could have been prevented, the Chinese invasion into Korea could have been prevented, Viet Nam could have been prevented, Grenada, Beirut, Desert Storm, etc, etc.  All preventable.  Along with Obama-care, the failure to design/build fuel efficent vehicles, a safe nuclear power industry, $5 billion a year ethanol subsidies.  So tell us something we don't know.  Stupid people still lead stupid people to stupid decisions.

 

And as far as your statistics on death by terrorism, well I'm just a little on the opposite side having lost two friends in the Pentagon attack.  You, OTOH, are probably well insulated from the effects by at least 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon. 

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 15:55 | 1389967 George Washington
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Dear goldnguns,

Initially, I am sincerely sorry for your loss.  There are a lot of good folks who work at the Pentagon, and some good people at the accounting offices in the Pentagon were horribly murdered on 9/11.

 

I sure wish Cheney hadn't mucked things up ...

Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta testified to the 9/11 Commission:

"During the time that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President … the plane is 50 miles out…the plane is 30 miles out….and when it got down to the plane is 10 miles out, the young man also said to the vice president “do the orders still stand?” And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said “Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary!?"

(this testimony is confirmed here and here).

So even if 9/11 wasn't foreseeable before 9/11, it was foreseeable to Dick Cheney - the man in charge of all counter-terrorism exercises, activities and responses on 9/11 (see this Department of State announcement, this CNN article and this essay) - as the plane was still 50 miles away from the Pentagon.

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 16:41 | 1390149 dexter_morgan
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George, there is probably a lot of truth to what you say, but I really hope your not dumb enough to think this all started with Bush/Cheney. Sometimes it seems that way. Those 2 ass clowns are either 2 of the most brilliant men in the US to have pulled this off, or, more likely, they are puppets as have been most of our last several presidents.  It reminds me of the Reagan years - he was allegedly the dumbest president we ever had until Bush II came along, yet he was responsible for literally everything bad that happened and none of the good. C'mon, this has been planned, by the Bilderbergers or whoever, since shortly after the end of WWII. IMHO.

 

I'll throw this out there, probably for no other reason than to get junked, but here is a list of the 10 worst presidents IMO from worst to less worse:

Lincoln

FDR

Carter

Obama

Bush II

Wilson

Harding

Grant

LBJ

A. Johnson

Roughly in that order, though many so closely bad hard to rank.

Tricky dick Nixon is not on my list for one reason only - he got us out of Vietnam so he will never be on a 'worst' list of mine.

 

 

 

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 17:02 | 1390235 George Washington
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Of course I DON'T think it started with Bush and Cheney. And - in many ways - Obama is as bad or worse.

As to "playing dumb" ...


Are Our Leaders Really Incompetent ... Or Just Pretending?
Tue, 06/21/2011 - 18:50 | 1390643 Reptil
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Pretending is the #1 industry now.

Quick get your carreer on the road!

(please excuse my cynical mood?)

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 15:42 | 1389918 centurain
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When you start a thread with "Time Magazine, Keith Olbermann and the Washington Post have all said"... you will lose people because those 3 named sources are opinion based and not at all credible.  

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 15:59 | 1389971 George Washington
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Tom Ridge doesn't know anything ... he was just the Secretary of Homeland Security.

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 15:38 | 1389909 Shell Game
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The first half of this Republic's life, people had a better understanding of shouldering the burden of security.  Incrementally we began giving up on the true responsibilities of the 2nd Amendment and milita service and handed the issue of security over to an expanding government.

In so many issues of governance we've evolved from a self-reliant culture to a soft and dependent culture, making grand assumptions that .gov will show the way and come up with reasonable answers.  We now have the government we fully deserve..

 

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 16:46 | 1390184 dexter_morgan
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It all started with Lincoln. He got the ball rolling for this monolithic all encompassing government. Slavery had nothing to do with it or he'd have emancipated them day one, not 3 years in to the war so they'd have more troops. All about the power and the money.

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 16:59 | 1390212 Shell Game
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Agree on Lincoln. The war of northern aggression was one of our largest and saddest steps in the wrong direction as a country.  Amazing how many have bought the propaganda of slavery/emancipation as the moral motive for that war..

Wed, 06/22/2011 - 01:18 | 1391032 Fish Gone Bad
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The big banks were trying to make Lincoln tow the line.  They got their marching orders from the big European banks.  The banks plan was to split the United States in two with Spain getting the south and England getting the north.  Lincoln fought back with the greenback.  Anyone remember our 12th president, Andrew Jackson?  This is from Wikipedia:

The Second Bank of the United States was authorized for a twenty year period during James Madison's tenure in 1816. As President, Jackson worked to rescind the bank's federal charter. In Jackson's veto message (written by George Bancroft), the bank needed to be abolished because:

  • It concentrated the nation's financial strength in a single institution.
  • It exposed the government to control by foreign interests.
  • It served mainly to make the rich richer.
  • It exercised too much control over members of Congress.
  • It favored northeastern states over southern and western states.
  • Banks are controlled by a few select families.
  • Banks have a long history of instigating wars between nations, forcing them to borrow funding to pay for them.

Lincoln was just an obstacle on the banks road to recovery.  Our current president would do well to remember Jackson.

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 16:00 | 1389975 George Washington
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+1,000. Do you know that Freud said the same thing? That handing over our defense to a central government meant giving away our power?

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 16:09 | 1390008 Shell Game
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And as warned as far back as some of the anti-Federalist papers.   I firmly believe our culture of fear can find its oldest roots in our giving the responsibility of our security to a centralized entity.

An excellent read on the history and the demise of the American citizen soldier:
http://www.saf.org/LawReviews/WhiskerCitizenSoldier.htm

It could form the basis of a very interesting lightening rod, err, future post...

 

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 15:37 | 1389907 Ag1761
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There is no terror threat, just mind control. Wake up. A good start is Prometheus Rising by Robert Anton Wilson, essential reading to start setting the mind free. Give it a go, you can read it in two nights and save yourself a lifetime of worry and shrink fees.

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 15:37 | 1389903 Caveman93
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Let NATO kill a few more hundred civilians and lets see what happens. We are just asking for a false flag now.

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 15:20 | 1389858 dxj
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Where did you get the odds of death by terrorist act? Can't find it on the referenced chart.

Wed, 06/22/2011 - 12:46 | 1392178 Urban Redneck
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What were the odds of a German citizen dying of a terrorist arson attack after March 1993, versus dying at the hand of the State and its security apparatus before the end of the ensuing war?

 

What are the odds of an American citizen dying of a terrorist plane attack after September 2001, versus dying at the hand of the State and its security apparatus before the end of the ensuing wars?

 

 

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 15:19 | 1389853 topcallingtroll
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How many american civilians been killed in terrorist attacks in the last twenty years versus automobile deaths?

We should be more afraid of our cars, but politicians manipulate the stupid people who keep voting for the politicians who promise to take away more of our rights.

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 15:32 | 1389897 Hugh G Rection
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You're right, we need a war on cars!

 

We need more restrictive legislation making it nearly impossible to get a license.  All vehicles must be colored brightly pink to be more visible, and outfitted with governors, limiting top speeds at 30mph.

 

C'mon DC, don't you care about our safety?

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 15:20 | 1389845 falak pema
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"Fear makes people stupid"...

Not if they are already there! Whatever the reason. But fear is an aphrodisiac of the bigoted and introverted. It brings out their best knee jerk from a fear infested left foot!

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 15:18 | 1389837 DogSlime
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I really disagree with the title.

Fear of Terror doesn't make people stupid.  People are susceptible to being made disproportionately afraid of Terror because they are stupid.

People are stupid, which makes it easy for corrupt powers to control them.

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 17:20 | 1390332 Azannoth
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Yes, even on ZH some blame the evil bankers, the evil speculators, the evil politicians, the evil jews, however all evil is preventable as long as you have a head on your shoulders and know how to use it and most people don't

This system would have never come into existence without dumb/naive/stupid/ignorant masses allowing it, and no simply pointing out the facts to them isn't going to change a thing, if they are not smart enough to identify the problems than nothing will save them

You don't need ZH to tell and show you what's wrong with the world, just look out the window if people are soo blind than they are only so blind because they want to be

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 17:37 | 1390391 Tenma13
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 Excellent observation. We get the the government we deserve. 

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 14:52 | 1389749 Contura
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Why doesn´t Obama just hire John Rambo instead ?

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 14:32 | 1389694 Herd Redirectio...
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The choice is fear vs love.

You can be afraid of your fellow man, or you can love them.  Note, however, that I do not include psychopaths among my fellow man, because they literally cannot feel empathy.  If they can't relate to me, how can I, or why should I, relate to them?  Psychologists have still never found a cure, or even a treatment, for psychopaths.  Counselling only makes them more cunning, as they study the counsellor, and what behavior is expected from them, and how the counsellor attempts to get them to exhibit the expected behavior.

Check out the latest from the Capital Research Institute "0% Interest Rates - Who Benefits?":

http://www.capitalresearchinstitute.org

" If the Central Banks refuse to act (by exchanging US dollar reserves for physical gold) then eventually they will become obsolete, their fiat holdings worthless.

Now, if we see that we are on this road to currency destruction, then why is nothing done about it?  The solution is to raise interest rates, not to 1 or 2%, but to atleast 6%, the CRI’s rough estimate for inflation over the last 3 years.  Although the rationale can not be fully covered right here, right now, it is a human one.   The richest, most powerful people on the planet are also among the most highly leveraged.  Raising interest rates would significantly weaken the dollar value of their assets, as well as increase the ‘operating costs’ (interest on their debt) of their speculative activity.   To take it a step further, our analysis indicates that the crucial consideration may in fact be not the wealth of those at the very top of the pyramid, but the wealth of those immediately beneath them, the bureaucracy of the oligarchy, as it were.  The hands and feet of the ruling class, the ones who administer, supervise, and direct day-to-day operations at the world’s largest financial firms, energy companies, media firms, think tanks, military industrial complex, intelligence agencies and so on.  Their overlords promised them vast riches, and basically guaranteed them investment success by lending them money and telling them how to spend it (in a more honest time this was referred to as insider trading and was even considered a crime).  The overlords promised more than they could deliver  (that is, after all, what they are good at, and what keeps them in power) and now find themselves between a rock and a hard place.

The decision to sacrifice the US dollar was made, rather than financially ruining the ruling class’ bureaucracy.  Sorry America, and sorry savers!"

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 16:25 | 1390091 Bartanist
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The two population control mechanisms are Fear and Hope.

Obama came in as the savior preaching hope and as soon as he got into office he flipped the switch and it became all about fear, just like Bush.

How can Obama preach hope, when all of his actions support fear and the goal of the globalists is to destroy America so that is not strong enough to resist integrating into a global communist order run by them?

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 15:20 | 1389846 Hugh G Rection
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Great, now im terrified of cars, trains, weather and vomit.

 

Maybe I should just hand over all possessions to big brother and he can keep me safe in a camp somewhere?

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 16:58 | 1390209 dexter_morgan
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all in due time..........

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