Federal Magistrate Decision Renders Twitter Privacy Obsolete

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Fri, 03/11/2011 - 16:50 | 1041990 NOTW777
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hope and change

just imagine what would be said if this was a Bush DOJ

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 16:54 | 1042015 alien-IQ
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they would have probably called it "the twitter" because it's on "the internets".

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 17:18 | 1042117 NOTW777
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so alien, r u happy with all this hope and change?  all this emphasis on throwing privacy under the bus for everyone, except terrorists

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 17:27 | 1042159 malikai
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You sound like Sarah Palin.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 17:36 | 1042190 Raynja
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In B.B. we trust!

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 19:03 | 1042536 Papasmurf
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She is Sara Palin.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 17:29 | 1042169 alien-IQ
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no I'm not at all happy with it...In fact, it sucks big time. but I'm not surprised either. It's the same shit we had with Bush and Clinton and Bush and Reagan and on and on and on and on.

The only people that are surprised are those stupid enough to think there is any difference between republicans or democrats.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 19:18 | 1042599 Guy Fawkes Mulder
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When you realize that all the same kinds of information available to "law enforcement" / "national security" organizations about the common man can (in theory, for now) also be used by the common man to monitor his lawful governors, then the solution becomes obvious.

They are building a panopticon, but we need not fear it or fight it. We need only make them apply it to themselves as thoroughly as they say it needs to be applied to us.

Funny thing about hypocrisy: no one in the world -- no matter what creed or religion -- seems to think it is legitimate.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 23:37 | 1043275 Lets_Eat_Ben
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+1 excellent post

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 16:52 | 1041993 AldoHux_IV
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Always been watching-- looks like the veneer of American values and individual rights is slowly cracking to reveal the beast of totalitarinism.

Fink must be happy with that, no wonder he's bullish.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 16:52 | 1041994 gangland
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privacy bitchez!

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 16:53 | 1042000 Mercury
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So Wikileakers only want other people's information to be free?

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 16:52 | 1042001 alien-IQ
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paper, pencil and a box of matches = the required tools for safe and private communication. all else is suspect.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 17:26 | 1042155 RichardP
Fri, 03/11/2011 - 17:30 | 1042178 alien-IQ
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yeah but it's a bitch to smoke in those things.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 16:54 | 1042005 SDRII
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Fri, 03/11/2011 - 19:07 | 1042552 Papasmurf
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When you vacuum up everything, all you get is mouse turds.  You can automate sorting, but in the end you still have mostly turds.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 16:56 | 1042020 AN0NYM0US
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yet ZH requires users to register... just sayin

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 17:21 | 1042131 reading
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You dont have to register to read...

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 17:55 | 1042277 AN0NYM0US
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and your point is???

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 18:46 | 1042440 Azannoth
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All you have to provide is a 'fake' email account, I take this as 99% privacy, of course they could trace your IP address and so forth, so yes they could sooner or later arrive at your door step, just keep that in mind before you post something about 'holocaust denial'(ironicaly one of the few thing that are illegal and not protected under 'free speach') for example

In Germany you must show your passport when buying a SIM card, one of the reasons I don't use a cell phone here, and in my appartment have no TV, Radion nor Internet

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 17:22 | 1042142 NOTW777
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not "required" and very little info requested

you sound guilty

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 18:09 | 1042304 AN0NYM0US
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email is required if you wish to post so unless you use a one off email when the courts come a looking for NOTW777 their job is a whole lot easier, now of course if you have nothing to hide than it doesn't matter.... until it does


Eric Schmidt likely shares the persepctive of quite a few on this thread


CNBS in a December interview with Dr. Goog Schmidt

"If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place, but if you really need that kind of privacy, the reality is that search engines including Google do retain this information for some time, and it's important, for example that we are all subject in the United States to the Patriot Act. It is possible that that information could be made available to the authorities."


Fri, 03/11/2011 - 17:00 | 1042030 bob_dabolina
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Big fuckin' deal.

If you're doing stuff you don't want revealed....don't talk about it on the net, especially twitter/facebook. In fact, depending on the level of secretness don't even talk about it on the phone.

Do people not read the news and watch T.V?

People are so stupid it pisses me off. Like Tiger Woods texting all those bitches...wtf, did he think that was a wayyyy good idea?

Just excersize some common sense for Christ sakes.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 16:59 | 1042040 Misean
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Well, the issue isn't the transmission of info. That's public. Transmitting on the internet is the equivelent of talking on a street corner. The issue is the account itself. See my post below yours for that.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 17:06 | 1042062 bob_dabolina
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All I'm saying if you're trading on some hot insider tips don't talk about it on facebook/twitter, I mean it's common sense. If you plan on disclosing national secrets don't facebook your besties about it.

If you're a celebrity and cheating on your wife excersize some discretion by not texting/emailing/even calling them from your phone. Hire someone to use their phone/email, anything but this stupid shit I read about everyday in the paper.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 17:12 | 1042100 Misean
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Oh, I agree with that. But you should not expect privacy there. Thing is, people expect that account info to be private. Used to be that the government needed a warrant to look at your phone bill. (BTW, the private telephone circuit for land line calls is considered private. The internets not).

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 17:22 | 1042135 bob_dabolina
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Under the Patriot act nothing is private.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 17:01 | 1042044 101 years and c...
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Amen.  dont want big brother to know what you think, dont put it out there for everyone to see!!!


Fri, 03/11/2011 - 17:34 | 1042185 alien-IQ
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is that the "I don't mind if they tap my phone, I'm not doing anything wrong" defense of this matter?

or do you simply not feel that privacy is a right?

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 18:20 | 1042372 bob_dabolina
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I feel that privacy is a right absolutely.

However, I am realistic enough to know that in these times everything is trackable, tapable, traceable, recordable, observable, savable, etc.

Do I like it?


But thats just the way it is. I mean just look @ google earth and thats something available to everyone. Imagine the shit they have they have we dont even know about. Of course with that type of power there will be parties trying to exploit it.

You have to adapt with the times.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 16:57 | 1042032 Misean
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Yep...disclose your information to someone else and the government claims it has access to it because the information is no longer private and the person/entity you disclosed to has no expectation of YOUR privacy. It's nice when sophistry trumps logic and reason.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 17:05 | 1042057 velobabe
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i am quite new to twitter, but i like following certain avatars or characters. what can they do if they don't have real names. does twitter require a real name besides what you call your self? i am sure zerohedge didn't give real names.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 17:08 | 1042073 Misean
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I'm Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 17:08 | 1042076 johnQpublic
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best not speak above a wisper

better not see this

better not tell

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 17:41 | 1042204 LukeWorm
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We can't trust anything American anymore.

By the way, are there still idiots who register with their real name and info? Geesh.


Fri, 03/11/2011 - 18:08 | 1042334 Dr. Porkchop
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None of this should be surprising. The constitution was replaced with the USA Patriot Act years ago.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 18:14 | 1042355 Marc45
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I can't imagine any credible wikileaker not knowing how to anonymously get around the internet.

Anyone who gets caught, probably doesn't really know anything.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 18:18 | 1042360 Sokhmate
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This news confirms my simple needs to happiness: healthy food and good sex. All else is superficial

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 18:36 | 1042422 Azannoth
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Any1 giving theri REAL private information on the Internet is a dumb@ssssss ! learn to ABUsE the anonymity !

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 18:41 | 1042438 Bagbalm
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Hand delivered one time pad for encryption. Hand delivered hand written notes by a trusted courier. Figure anything else the government knows before you do.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 19:04 | 1042531 g3h
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This is completely legit.


Look, China has done it.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 21:29 | 1042706 Guy Fawkes Mulder
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Twitter is still cool. As is the LAPD when it comes to Charlie Sheen. Plans to lock him up failed last night.


"#fastball: all good here on homefront. all reports are false. I'll explain more very soon. #Dogspeed c"



"#fastball; the LAPD were AWESOME. Absolute pros! they can protect and serve this Warlock anytime!!! c"



"#fastball; 101 and on the black. 50 cops in my home. they all left. I'm still here. WINNING? 24/7 c"

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 21:11 | 1042879 Widowmaker
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This happens all the time, and not to mention law enforcement and investment banks pay handsomely for data mining. Hell even selective service registration puts your name on bank lists for credit cards, and a free razor.  Uncle Sam leads the charge selling out every American when it comes to privacy (among a long list of things).

Ever wonder what happens to all the auto-save information in gmail, that too hot to send but still saved?  Ever notice Google wants your phone number real bad all the sudden?

There is no privacy after the patriot bullshit - bullying and crotch scans for your protection and their profit (aggregating and selling your data is EXTREMELY profitable).  It's all about money and USDOG is a high paying customer and routine.

Your money is tracked even more closely, and hence the mark of the beast and demolition of a cash society.

Your privacy is being abused like a 10 year old Catholic alter boy for a buck and non othr than Uncle Sam's hands entrenched under your robes.

Queue the surprise.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 23:56 | 1043302 Species8472
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Tor, Mix Master?

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 01:12 | 1043423 PulauHantu29
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Sounds like every message sent via internet should simply cc: DOJ.


Sat, 03/12/2011 - 02:25 | 1043524 Scorpio69er
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"You're out of order! You're out of order! The whole trial is out of order!

You, you sonofabitch, you! You're supposed to stand for somethin'! You're supposed to protect people! But instead you rape and murder them!"


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