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The Fed's 30 Minute Agency Monetization Window

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Much has been said on Zero Hedge about the Fed's monetization of Treasuries, usually via the NY Fed's POMO activities, which on occasion buys back Treasuries as promptly as 5 days after any one given auction. Yet we were dumbfounded by this piece of information, presented to us by Jim Bianco, which demonstrates that the Fed's monetization of Agencies is far more blatant than anything even encountred in Treasuries.

Below is the 10:00 am announcement of a new $5 billion auction of 2 Year Fannie Agencies:

A mere half hour later, the NY Fed announced that as part of tomorrow's "Outright Agency Coupon Purchase" precisely this CUSIP would be one of the securities repurchased:

These shell games are getting tiresome. A half an hour turnaround time between issuance and buyback? Really Ben?

As Jim Bianco comments, some answers are far overdue, when trying to explain this most blatant example of monetization to date.

1. Who bought these securities at auction? The potential for foul play here is high if the news of such a buyback accidentally leaked to a few individuals in the market

2. Who does the Federal Reserve think it is fooling by monetizing in such a roundabout way?

Perhaps it is time for another probing interview by administration darling Steve Liesman of Tim Geithner. Hopefully this time he won't lie as blatantly as he did last time when he claimed: "The Fed is absolutely not monetizing debt" (9 mins, 9 seconds into the clip)

 




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Thu, 10/08/2009 - 16:46 | Link to Comment SWRichmond
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They're just replacing lost tokens, it's ok.

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 16:50 | Link to Comment MikeNYC
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Sometimes the tokens fall out of the ring onto the floor, and you have to crawl under the desk to find them.

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 23:43 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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Ya those tokens were value neutral at IPO. ALL ipo's are at 0 dollars these days.

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 16:48 | Link to Comment Careless Whisper
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He's lying to us for our own good. Get with the program.

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 17:11 | Link to Comment Harbourcity
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Unfortunately, this program is in syndication.

 

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 17:12 | Link to Comment ZerOhead
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He must really love us.

However a 30 minute turnaround on $5B is amazing.... I can't even get pizza delivered that quickly. These guys should run the post office.

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 19:11 | Link to Comment Bear
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ZeroHead, I think you stumbled on a great idea. Take the CUSIP's 5B and give it to the Post Office. They wouldn't have to close offices, many jobs saved, instant shot in arm to local economies and all the time Obama could take credit for the jobs that his actions saved. Much better than Fed 'returning' it to BAC, C, WF and GS. Oh ... I guess 5B is already gone

 

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 06:01 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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Yes, the $5 B is gone. But that's OK. Just like Lay's potato chips, go ahead and spend it, they'll just make more.

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 17:20 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 10/08/2009 - 23:54 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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Translation. We're furisiously trying to get the IMF off the ground and get enough payday loans out to the poor countries to keep this running.

IMF Member Country            Govenor            Altnernative Governor   

United states                Timothy Geitner                Ben Bernanke          

By the time we get this enron thing off the ground. We'll be causing brownouts at every elecrtical grid on the planet beause we have some complex derivitave investment in a block of electricity that allows us to pull the plug and "negotiate" through blackmail.

 

                           
Thu, 10/08/2009 - 16:55 | Link to Comment Don Smith
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How does one short the dollar in reality?  Seriously.  How does the average person effect a carry trade, like USD/AUD? Anyone?

What kind of account do I need to open and with whom?

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 17:17 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 10/08/2009 - 17:34 | Link to Comment Bonesetter Brown
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Better yet, max out every line of credit possible and use the proceeds to gold.  Dollar carry trade baby!

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 17:40 | Link to Comment Steak
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+ 1000  For those who truly have nothing to lose I can't imagine a better way to protect oneself and stick it to the banksters at the same time.

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 17:58 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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That's the play, but don't be too obvious about it.

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 18:12 | Link to Comment pinkboxtrader
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a little birdie told me that if you're going to do this start withdrawing the cash from the cards in small increments and frequently. come up with a plausable story about hardship/addiction etc which matches up with your cash withdrawals. pay your first few minimum card payments and interest to make the record show you are trying but failing to manage your debt spiraling habits. no use of any credit within 6 months of filing for bankruptcy. also check your state specific laws to see what suprising things creditors may go after in your particular location and act accordingly.

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 18:44 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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Then for the final piece of the puzzle, take a month off and go into rehab to validate the addiction you've been faking to explain the cash withdrawals.

Like chess, you must think the moves all the way to the end. :>) 

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 19:19 | Link to Comment SV
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Unfortunately, doing 30 day stint in "detox" may cost more than your asset's appreciation, not to mention it reminds me of this:

The key to faking out the parents is the clammy hands. It's a good non-specific symptom. I'm a big believer in it. A lot of people will tell you a good phoney fever is a deadlock, but you get a nervous mother, you could wind up in a doctor's office--that's worse than school. You fake a stomach cramp, and when you're bent over, moaning and wailing, you lick your palms. It's a little childish and stupid, but then so is high school.
Fri, 10/09/2009 - 08:45 | Link to Comment aldousd
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Good point. I knew Ferris would come in handy again someday.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 09:56 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 10/08/2009 - 23:56 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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Shorting just means selling.

You can't naked short something unless you get hedge fund privelages which allows you to use a central banks deposits like they were your own.

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 17:18 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Thu, 10/08/2009 - 18:04 | Link to Comment Herr Morgenholz
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So if I get you correctly, gold goes up when the dollar goes down? 

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 19:00 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 10/09/2009 - 01:47 | Link to Comment cocoablini
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That's true in inflation but not true in deflation panic. See Feb. 2009 for a USD and GOLD parallel run up. If the banks and credit crash, both will ZOOM

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 05:20 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 10/08/2009 - 17:23 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 10/08/2009 - 17:26 | Link to Comment jesus_quintana
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spread bet

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 18:03 | Link to Comment ghostfaceinvestah
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The "average person" does not effect a carry trade, because the average person cannot borrower at near zero.

But, if you currently hold dollars in a bank account that is earning zero, if you convert those dollars into, say, AUD, and put them into an instrument that earns a return, you are effectively performing the same trade.

In the past many here have posted ways in which a US resident can open bank accounts in foreign currencies.  Worth looking into.  Earning nothing in a bank account is for idiots (and dollar deflationists).

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 19:01 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 10/09/2009 - 07:42 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 10/08/2009 - 16:55 | Link to Comment ghostfaceinvestah
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And we wonder why the dollar is collapsing?

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 17:00 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 10/08/2009 - 17:59 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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Yep, nailed it.

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 17:02 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Fri, 10/09/2009 - 08:00 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 10/08/2009 - 18:46 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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The old "I know that you know that I know that you know that I know that you know" scam.

Yeah, that's the ticket.

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 17:04 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 10/08/2009 - 17:05 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 10/08/2009 - 17:10 | Link to Comment Harbourcity
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Hey!!  Imagine what would happen if we KNEW what they were doing!!  Good thing the Fed keeps these things secret...

 

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 17:21 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 10/08/2009 - 17:54 | Link to Comment TumblingDice
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Thought provoking posts.

Quick correction: it is public fact that the Fed owns zero gold; it only owns claims to all the gold that the Treasury owns.

But yea if this is public knowledge then the secrets must be juicy.

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 18:47 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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Maybe it would be a good idea to bring in outside auditors and check the books?

Just a thought.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 00:02 | Link to Comment Argos
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What's the old saying?  Possessing is 9/10 tenths of the law.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 07:58 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 10/08/2009 - 17:11 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 10/08/2009 - 18:04 | Link to Comment ghostfaceinvestah
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Yup, we keep rewarding failure.  And then are surprised when we get more failure.

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 18:59 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 10/08/2009 - 17:11 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 10/08/2009 - 17:11 | Link to Comment Bruce Krasting
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When does Ben make the connection that POMO=weak dollar/strong gold?

He already has. He must be worried stiff tonight. His whole plan is blowing up on the price of gold. The market will outplay him on this chessboard.

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 17:23 | Link to Comment deadhead
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The market will outplay him on this chessboard.

I would love to see an article by you on the evolution of this chess game.

I always read your stuff and enjoy your insights.  Thank you, Bruce.

Sat, 10/10/2009 - 20:22 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 10/08/2009 - 17:28 | Link to Comment ghostfaceinvestah
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He should be especially worried given that he can't stop buying agency MBS.

New issuance net of Fannie portfolio securitization is 1.22T YTD.  Fannie has another 93B in portfolio securitizations, so issuance has been 1.31T YTD (Fannie+Freddie).  Bernanke has bought 900B of MBS, 90% of that has been Fannie/Freddie.  So he has been buying about 70% of the market since he started in January.

No way he goes from 70% of the market to 0% of the market in six months.

This alone will kill the dollar, along with America's standard of living.

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 17:54 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 10/08/2009 - 19:25 | Link to Comment ghostfaceinvestah
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Thanks for the compliment.  Sorry, my wording was a bit awkward.

What I meant was the inevitable continuation of MBS purchases would kill the dollar, not the stopping of purchases.  If he really stopped purchases in March, he might slow down the death of the dollar (somewhere around 68DXY and $1500 gold).

But it is my thesis that he will be forced to continue to purchase Fannie and Freddie MBS, as there are no other buyers to step in.  This continued money printing will kill the dollar.

In case you missed it, below is a repost of a link I posted in another thread (you may have to register - it is free).  Many good explanations of why the Fed will not be able to stop buying agency MBS in March, barring full faith and credit backing, which is extremely unlikely to happen (unless maybe on a go-forward basis only - it would be interesting to see them thread that needle).

 

http://www.americanbanker.com/issues/174_194/fed_moves_will_shape_gses_f...

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 17:15 | Link to Comment Rama V
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Democracies vote for what they get.

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 17:22 | Link to Comment phaesed
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Really? How can any rational human being at this point think that it actually matters who is in office? The only difference between Obama and McCain is that with McCain we would have already begun a full scale invasion of Iran rather than a covert war through proxies.

We "vote" much like the Iranian's do... for no fucking purpose.

ps... Great work ZH, if not for you we'd truly be blind (or long, who knows :))

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 17:53 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 10/08/2009 - 19:51 | Link to Comment I am a Man I am...
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He said Democracy NOT Democrat.

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 18:03 | Link to Comment I need more cowbell
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I'm sure he can speak for himself, but he has a point. We truly do have a completely perfect democracy, IF WE CHOOSE TO PARTICIPATE. Ahem, sorry about the shouting.
- we get to vote. Of course, we in the aggragate have no clue what constitutes adequate qualifications; we don't really monitor our "representatives" voting record after we elect them; we have zero clue what we want or why in goverment policy; this apathy and ignorance allows for lobbying to exist ( they are inefftual and GONE, tomorrow, if we paid attention )
- we also vote with our dollars every day. And our every purchase, again in the aggregate, is followed very closely. If we cared about real reporting, real information, real discussions of issues, and let media and more importantly their sponsors know "toot sweet" when what was delivered was not to our liking, we would very quickly get the goods. But we in the aggregate get what we get, 'cuz well be be idiots.
- In this true democracy, if the masses overcame the apathy and ignorance, we could change direction tomorrow. The internet allows instant communication, and if we told our dear reps, these are the new rules, you WILL audit the Fed; you WILL tell us where all the money went; you WILL do what is best for the constituency, not all the special special so very special interests, or you WILL be replaced, again, toot sweet, well that would be something would it not
- alas alack, not a chance in hell. Not when 25% of the man on the street can't find Mexico and Canada on a map.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 07:42 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 10/09/2009 - 00:09 | Link to Comment Argos
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McCain would have had a major heart attack by now, and Mrs. Palin would be in charge.  Doesn't that scare you?

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 18:25 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 10/08/2009 - 17:23 | Link to Comment Project Mayhem
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"These shell games are getting tiresome. "

 

You can say that again.

 

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 17:24 | Link to Comment Oso
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this made me vomit a little into my throat.

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 17:29 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
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My cynicism is rewarded once again.

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 17:39 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Thu, 10/08/2009 - 18:20 | Link to Comment Herr Morgenholz
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Look out Latvia!  We're on your ass!

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 19:43 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 10/09/2009 - 00:38 | Link to Comment chindit13
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This list is nonsense.  Do some homework on your own.  For example, Austria has the equivalent of 75% of its GDP in Austrian bank exposure to emerging market debt, most of that in a combination of Latvia, Hungary, Ukraine, Czech Republic and the former states of Yugoslavia.  The major Swiss banks have 40% Swiss GDP equivalent in exposure to EEM, and both UBS and CS have total assets which are 4x the total Swiss economy.  (The largest US bank, BAC, has assets totalling about 14% of US GDP).  Deutsche Bank has leverge of 40:1.  Chinese banks are lready wards, or instruments, of the State.  And all the big banks, US or international, have huge derivative books OBS (it's just that Chinese Banks are officially allowed to renege on losers).

Bottom line:  with the possible exception of Norway, they're all f**ked.

 

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 17:47 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 10/08/2009 - 19:29 | Link to Comment Stevm30
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Imagine how a sane, reflective person would feel in Germany in the 30's while everyone is chanting at a Hitler rally/military parade... something along the lines of "Ohhho shit" 

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 20:49 | Link to Comment Plainview
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LOL! Exactly, you'd be thinking "hmmmm, time to get out of ze dodge"...

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 17:50 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 10/08/2009 - 17:56 | Link to Comment perpetual-runner-up
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There isa reason for this...and I mean in the geopolitical space...the obvious thing is to sell dollars...and for folks overseas to sell dollars...the question is why?

It is so obvious, and we are so nasty (good) in our ability to control things, I cant help there is a chips in the middle wager going on here to collapse Russia and China again...

 

That is clearly our objective, butI dont know if we are going straight up financial war, or trying to destabalize and cause internal revolt...

 

All of this action, from our own spending, to the position of the dollar with our debt, that something else is afoot...

 

It could be bet that collapsing the dollar and sticking it to russia and china, despite the carnage at home, would be cheaper than a war...betting that the american people and our history is such that we will pull ourselve out of it....

 

doing all of this now is better than doing it in ten years when our military isnt hardened and their militaries are built back up...

 

that is my optomistic side shining through...If I am right, I envision a "you just got punked" moment from the US to the rest of the world...

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 18:27 | Link to Comment Bonesetter Brown
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Here is how I think of it in simple terms.

There are three blocs -- dollar, euro and resource.

Different countries are members of one or more blocs.  When geopolitical/economic pressure rises (and it really hasn't yet), countries will have to choose the block with which they will ally, and blocs will go to financial war (low grade I hope) with one another.

Today the dollar bloc has members like US, Japan, China, Korea, etc.  You would also include the Gulf states, and probably UK, Canada, Australia.  Stephen Jen wrote some time ago about the de facto US dollar currency union; that's basically what I mean.

The euro bloc includes all the explicit Euro members, but you could also throw the UK in there, and maybe Russia and some former Soviet republics.

The resource bloc includes the Gulf states, Russia, Canada, Australia, etc.

While there are the potential for strains within the US dollar bloc, particularly along the Sino-US axis, I think it is a ruse.

We (the US) have already split a big part of the resource bloc, with alliances/invasions in the Sunni Arab world.  Canada and Australia are reasonably predisposed to remain within the dollar bloc.

Watch for the real pressure to fall between the dollar and euro blocs.  Could the end goal be a break-up of the euro?

I think the "tell" comes when QE 2.0 gets announced.  Under QE 1.0, the Chinese and Japanese (big holders of US mortgage debt) have an incentive to keep quiet until they complete rotation out of MBS/agencies into Treasuries.  When that's complete they have more incentive to complain about devaluation.  If the Chinese/Japanese don't complain (or just jawbone), I'll take that as a sign they are firmly in the dollar bloc.  They will also be well positioned in the short end of the Treasury yield card, so that is a pretty good trump card they will hold for the future, if and when they need it.

For the life of me, I can't see the motivation for Asia to bet on the future of Europe over the future of the Americas.  But maybe it just escapes the narrow mind of this short-sighted, US-centric American!

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 18:45 | Link to Comment perpetual-runner-up
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I hear ya on that, but I dont see a "Why"...

What are we trying to accomplish- just reset our debt?  Look at Japan....There is something more here and I dont have a handle on it...I am trying to look outside of rational conclusion drawing to see if I can see a picture...

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 18:52 | Link to Comment Bonesetter Brown
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The "why" would be to extend and considerably strengthen (even formally) US dollar hegemony.

Think of debt in a different context.  What if "net" debt of the US dollar bloc (not aggregate debt) were viewed in the context of the total GDP/income of the US dollar bloc?  View it also in the expected growth of the GDP/income of that US dollar bloc, and how that growth could be counted on to service the debt.  Would the debt be viewed differently?

Compare it to how we think of the United States.  Certainly there are states that run trade or current account deficits with the rest of the Union -- do we care?

If more nations (read economies) can be pulled into a given bloc (which means pulled out of another bloc), the future income of that nation can be used to service the liabilities of the bloc as a whole.

It is an admitedly simple view!

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 17:56 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 10/08/2009 - 18:33 | Link to Comment lizzy36
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I have 2 issues with your thesis:

What differentiates the Fed from Zimbabwe is that we will eventually drain the liquidity and sell those back on the market. Zimbabwe has no intention of doing this. In fact it has nothing to sell.

1.what makes you think the fed will have something to sell (have you seen their balance sheet?)

2. if in fact they do have something to sell, whay make you think they would have a BUYER? In your exampe isn't a buyer necessary to drain liquidity?

 

 

 

 

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 19:29 | Link to Comment ghostfaceinvestah
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The Fed will never be able to sell its MBS back to the market at anywhere near face value without full faith and credit backing of the USG.  In their current form, with the owner of the MBS facing two failed GSEs, there is no buyer at today's prices.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 15:30 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 10/08/2009 - 20:52 | Link to Comment Plainview
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Hey Ben, didn't expect to see you 'round here, how's tricks..?

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 01:19 | Link to Comment chindit13
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So the Fed "has the intention" of selling it back in the market?  And I have the "intention" of playing point guard for the Boston Celtics.  Now if I could only still dunk it like when I was young.....

You think PIMCO is going to buy this stuff?

"What's that Ben?  You've got $1.25 trillion of FNM and FRE paper on which you paid a 2% yield equivalent?  Sure I'll quote you a two pip spread on those fine goods.  I've got a spare trillion or so lying around collecting dust."

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 15:36 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 10/08/2009 - 18:01 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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How much profit did GS make on the deal?

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 18:12 | Link to Comment glenlloyd
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the sound of his voice makes me angry

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 19:00 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Thu, 10/08/2009 - 19:56 | Link to Comment Cheeky Bastard
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i can't shake the feeling that those people REALLY think that they are performing a messianic duty when they print like a crazy Wiemar banker on blow. I mean, there is no sound explanation ( except they have a purpose and a goal in destroying the world and getting nothing out of it; bad trade me thinks ) why would they do the things they are doing for the past 100 yrs. If its the preservation of the mono-super-power status, they are doing a piss poor job for generations now, if its to save America, also. Their madness is truly one for the textbooks; just not sure which one.

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 20:08 | Link to Comment TumblingDice
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control, plain and simple... whatever the cost.

They are certain that they know best whats good for us and they are mandating upon us through the act of socializing the liabilitites and privatizing the money supply (theres a good article about it I read today but cant recall who worte/posted it). Also through specific taxes they can control spending and behavior (for example the obama science czar proposed taxing the snot out of baby products such as powder, diapers or cradles if the peasants ever got too populous;along the same lines they can tax alcohol/guns if we get too rowdy; tax the internet if we start talking too much).The fact that the control is extremely inefficient and costly doesnt bother them.

That said govt policy towards ISPs is the thing to watch here. Maybe they know that a direct tax is too controversial so the move I would expect is some policy that indirectly taxes the consumer of the internet by increasing the ISP costs.

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 20:27 | Link to Comment Cheeky Bastard
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yes, but control here is not a deterministic transition from one domain into another; it is more stochastic, so i see no point to do the shit they are doing just to gain or preserve control; we know both parties are bought and paid for; but what is the end game of those who own them;pure control ( see above, not very likely ), massive accumulation of wealth into the arms of the few ( again, not likely, given that the money by itself is practically worthless ), is it just a game which they play. I really dont know, it all just seem pointless and without any goal OR they are crazy enough in their thinking that they have adopted the paradigm of One World Government ( which would necessarily need to be a government based upon Marxs writings; meaning; one religion,one ideology, one currency,one set of laws and a merging of cultures ) which is highly impossible given the number of variables which tell us that is impossible to achieve. Really, this whole shit is pointless when you know EVERYTHING eventually dies due to disequilibrium which necessary rises after some time period. Maybe its my nihilism, but i just dont see the point in not even one action they did.

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 20:49 | Link to Comment TumblingDice
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ok well you're assuming that those seeking control can grasp the meaning of your first sentence. (in fact I have a hard time with it on my own) There are various different plans out there and each person in th oligarchy wants to mould the world to their own model. They could care less about the number of variables (they let the social simulation software at the CIA take care of those). Never before has there been such concentrated amount of control an power. These bastards have really leveraged themselves something awful in respect to our society. The point is to use that lever so they can live like gods in this upcoming period of resource scarcity.

I mean its pretty simple here Cheeky, just because you can picture the impossibility and absurdity of it all doesnt mean they can. The power, leverage and control has been concentrated in few hands before (never quite like this I would venture) and the goal has always been more power, leverage and control. when it comes down to it these are simple minded people. Nevermind the fact that theyre cunning like a fox.

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 20:59 | Link to Comment Cheeky Bastard
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so, it my nihilism and nothing more. Damn it, and i was counting that those who are in control have some brain power; but yeah; i get it now; just plain old greed greed and more greed. 

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 21:52 | Link to Comment TumblingDice
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speaking of nihlism, have you ever seen the Big Lebowski?

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 21:58 | Link to Comment Cheeky Bastard
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i doubt that The Dude is a nihilist, more of a " i-don't-give-a-shit-ist "

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 22:26 | Link to Comment TumblingDice
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not the Dude, but the nihilists that randomly show up. anyways, the word nihilism brings the association and hence a healthy chuckle about, which in turn gives people the impression that I'm insane.

IDK why but had to share...

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 00:01 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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They have to destroy the individual countries and bring the IMF into existance. People are bitching at thier public representatives which is why all the power has to go into a divorced completely uncontrollable completely free of all moral and legal and ethical limitations global IMF so that representatives of each country can just tell their constituents. The IMF made me do it i have no power or control over them.There's nothing in the laws that lets me do anything. I'm powerless. We have to live with it and accept it.

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 20:48 | Link to Comment aztrader
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I bet the brokers are making a fortune off of all this churning.  Who cares as long as the taxpayers are eating the losses...............

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 21:37 | Link to Comment Lndmvr
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Each morning I wake and expect to hear of the first actual shot to be fired wether it be from or against the american people. Seems alot of terrorist plots being found these days. Not only have I found a part time job after 3 months but friends in FL say work there is picking up. I just wait for the next shoe to drop but can't for the life of me figure out what it will be.

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 21:40 | Link to Comment Cheeky Bastard
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CRE, dollar brake, Debt, Healthcare Reform, new bailouts, Iran-Israel war ( think oil price ); cashing in on the gains etc. etc. i mean you chose.

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 22:02 | Link to Comment Bruce Krasting
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I just got this from the folks at Fannie. This is the final terms on the deal under discussion.

A little help here please. Can we get a breakdown of the price/yield that the Fed bought this 30 minutes later?

I am sure that the price paid was issue plus. But seeing it would make me feel better.

Bkrasting@gmail.com

http://www.fanniemae.com/newsreleases/2009/4823.jhtml?p=Media&s=News+Rel...

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 01:17 | Link to Comment ghostfaceinvestah
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Bruce, I am pretty sure the Fed buys this directly when it is issued, just like any buyer of new issuance (through their agents like Blackrock, of course).  There is no intermediate transaction.

The Fed came out a few weeks ago and said they would be buying new issuance.  I can't find a link right now, but it was in the news recently.

 

 

Thu, 10/08/2009 - 23:26 | Link to Comment D.O.D.
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The werewolf is at it again, Grayson Vs. Fed via CNBC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnJ6ayqrmTQ&feature=sub

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 00:05 | Link to Comment What_Me_Worry
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The majority of the masses have believed in the major organized religions for thousands of years, even though it is obvious to any rational, free-thinking person that they are all made-up stories.  As long as everyone else is willing to pretend it is real and play along, so will they.  Because, in theory, they have something to gain from believing it.

This is basically how the world is treating the USD.  Pope Bernanke II just needs to preach to the masses for a few more years before they can rid themselves from enough of their asset burden to claim victory against the non-believers.

In inflation we trust.

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 01:50 | Link to Comment cocoablini
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Folks-Feb 2009. Look at the charts. both dollar and Gold went up together. In a credit crisis, cash is hard to get, and gold is the money of last resort. FEB 2009. It just happened. Whats bad for dollar is not exactly good for gold and vice versa. Before you flip out-look at the charts. FEB 2009. Banks were crashing-flight to money. gold is money not a dollar hedge in a deflation

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 01:55 | Link to Comment cocoablini
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So let me get this straight-All those lovely,member, toxic banks manage the sale of those agency bonds. The mother ship(FED) buys them 30 minutes later?

You think the FED could sell secondary offerings for Martha Stewart Omnimedia too. A miracle!

Fri, 10/09/2009 - 09:37 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Fri, 10/09/2009 - 17:11 | Link to Comment mkkby
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Amazing how the whole real estate market is gov subsidized.

1. Down payment paid by $8k tax credit.

2. Teaser rate courtesy of 0% fed funds.

3. Tax deduction on interest.

4. Agency buys all mortgages, and fed buys all agency paper.

5. Banks paid to rewrite delinquent loans.

Imagine the devastation in real estate if all these props ended. What's next? Personally, I'm waiting for free lawn care and maid service before I'll buy.

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