Feds Try To Confiscate $7 Million In Silver Liberty Dollars

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Mon, 04/04/2011 - 15:01 | 1133631 tallen
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Looks like they need to seize another few billion ounces to cover JPM's short


Mon, 04/04/2011 - 15:02 | 1133693 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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The war has escalated.  They are fighting fire with fire.  Their shorts are no longer functioning, we won that battle, but we need to keep the heat on!  Buy silver!

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 15:19 | 1133770 American Dissident
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Whats this, Government's afraid of system avoidance and consumer empowerment that challenges their enumerate collectivist Ponzi pledging idiocy.

S H O C K I N G 

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:35 | 1134222 Holodomor2012
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Dont like gefilte fish?  EXTREMIST!


Mon, 04/04/2011 - 14:52 | 1133632 Strider52
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There is no more Silver, Bitchez

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 14:53 | 1133634 SheepDog-One
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Mon, 04/04/2011 - 15:15 | 1133749 DoChenRollingBearing
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OK, he should not have written "dollars" on his coins, but why are they targeting him rather than the criminial banksters?

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 15:49 | 1133960 Hero Protagonist
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Looking at (Title 18 USC 486)  http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/718/usc_sec_18_00000486----000-.html, it appears that it doesn't matter whether you try to impersonate a coin or not.  Bottomline: You can't create a coin to compete period.  Is that possible?

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:07 | 1134036 Anonymouse
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Agree he was foolish in how he did it.
But one thing I never heard the feds explain was how a "counterfeiting" scheme of buying silver at $38 and coining it for us as a $1 coin was going to be sustainable for long. If infiltrating the coins into general use to confuse the public was the concern, that implies they would be used for exchanges worth $1.
Who would do that?

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:20 | 1134143 Sheikh Djibouti
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I remember seeing Von Nothaus on a promotional video clip in the 'early days' of internet video clips, circa 1999.

In the segment he spends some of his silver coins at local merchants who seem downright confused, but end up accepting the coins (at least, the ones that made it into the clip did).

I remember thinking at the time that it was sort of strange trying to spend them as legal tender, as at the time the new Sacagawea dollar coin had just came out and I was trying to get more people to use it (alas, they are rusting in vaults now).

While his ethics were in the right place, the Feds targeted him for other reasons and although I think he should simply be reprimanded and fined, there are clearly alternative motives to their bringing a case against him.

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:57 | 1134343 Bagbalm
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The dollar sign first showed up on pieces of eight. They have dollars in Canada, Australia, Bahamas, and a bunch more. Don't bring any back from vacation unspent now or you may be a rightwing terrorist...

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 19:42 | 1134921 mick_richfield
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And why not?

They don't own that word.

We do.

I will outlive the United States of America.


Mon, 04/04/2011 - 19:47 | 1134935 mick_richfield
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Before the United States existed, there were Americans.

After the United States ceases to exist, there will be Americans.

And after the tyranny is dead, we will lead the world again.



Mon, 04/04/2011 - 20:51 | 1135153 FIAT_FixItAgainTony
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amen brother mick!  the word "dollar" has many different meanings and is used by many different countries.  i call bs on this alleged terrorist conviction.  it is extremely difficult to avoid use of banks and credit cards but it can be done.  did they have plastic cc's in 1776?  don't think so!

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 00:59 | 1135748 throwitontheground
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You two got it covered!  The law is a whore but the anarchists would rather see Geitner and all the Gov Saks (and all government SACKS OF sheet) with their heads on the chopping block rather than this disaster.  I couldn't agree with you two more..

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 01:01 | 1135749 throwitontheground
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You two got it covered!  The law is a whore but the anarchists would rather see Geitner and all the Gov Saks (and all government SACKS OF sheet) with their heads on the chopping block rather than this disaster.  I couldn't agree with you two more..

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 19:48 | 1134943 destiny
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Oh sh...t, the guy did'nt make it on the bilderbergers list... wrong caste.

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 15:18 | 1133763 Kobe Beef
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Yep. The feds can bring home a case against a guy minting silver, but haven't indicted or prosecuted anybody related to the banking meltdown.

The cops are bought. Banana Republic USA.

Disgusting, ain't it?

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 20:52 | 1135159 FIAT_FixItAgainTony
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yes, especially when we grow no bananas in the ol' u s of a!

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 01:03 | 1135755 throwitontheground
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well we can confirm what it feels like to live in a third world nation...very soon if not already.

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 14:53 | 1133635 The Axe
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Long Silver Long Ammo

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 14:57 | 1133665 Infinite QE
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Need silver bullets to take down vampires.

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 18:51 | 1134761 long juan silver
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Yours are bogus

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 15:08 | 1133729 Clampit
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Yeah, what is the legal velocity limit for compliance with a confiscation order?

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 20:57 | 1135173 FIAT_FixItAgainTony
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from answers dot com - "In armor and projectile testing, the lowest possible velocity at which any one of the complete penetrations is obtained; since the limit velocity is difficult to obtain, a more easily obtainable value, designated as the ballistic limit, is usually employed."

so, the correct question (still unanswered) appears to be what is the legal ballistic limit for silver projectiles in a confiscation order.


Mon, 04/04/2011 - 15:13 | 1133638 Clampit
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I still think Robert Kahre for POTUS...

"Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism..."

States as terrorists?

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 14:57 | 1133641 SwingForce
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Is there no mention that each "DOLLAR" is worth $38.50 today? Only a moron would try slip these into US circulation. How do you front-run stupidity?

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 15:03 | 1133692 Clint Liquor
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That is irony, isn't it. The Counterfeiter was minting coins of increasing value. Meanwhile the legal tender FRNs are headed to ass-wipe status.

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 15:16 | 1133752 DoChenRollingBearing
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+++ you guys

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 15:34 | 1133867 Clampit
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"How do you front-run stupidity?"

Start a government?

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 15:34 | 1133880 DosZap
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No, and no reason.

He was simply trying to sell Bullion to J6P for the crash.

Where he screwed up was using incorrect wording on the coins.

And trust me, his 7 mil is gone, he was convicted of a Felony, so all his earthly property is now the Feds.

No appeals, screwed.

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:28 | 1134181 DivisionBell
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How are these fake mints still in business?  They are making exact replicas of the $50 Gold Buffalo, sans gold.  Bernard had a unique design on his coins, these people are blatently copying official coinage and plating it in gold.  Is the difference that Liberty Dollars actually have value?


Mon, 04/04/2011 - 17:53 | 1134596 JoeSexPack
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Great point, he might walk based on this.

The fake Buffalo nickels have the govt's name & the word 'cents'.

Much more evidence of counterfeiting than Liberty Dollars, or Ron Paul Dollars.

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 17:58 | 1134606 tmosley
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Exactly.  I don't know what the exact opposite of counterfeiting is, but I'm pretty sure liberty dollars fall under that category.

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 18:26 | 1134693 rosiescenario
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....right you are....that's my take on it...passing off something of lesser value for something of greater value...his crime appears to be more like uncounterfeiting...passing off something actually of greater value than what is recieved in exchange for it....


...and then there is the other very obvious fact: his coins bore no resemblence to anything actually in circulation....our government once again makes itself look stupid.

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 14:54 | 1133643 scratch_and_sniff
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Heidelberg GTO, bitches.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 01:09 | 1135762 Problem Is
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Heidelberg Speedmaster 102vp or a row of Miehle 77" 6-colors, judging the Bernank volume...

Hell, the Bernank should go Heidelberg heatset web...

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 14:56 | 1133644 famousamos
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Silver - to the moon - bitchez!

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 14:54 | 1133645 HamyWanger
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"Not everyone believes in the purity of von NotHaus' motives: "NotHaus' group has been followed for years by the Southern Poverty Law Center, a group that tracks political extremism. Long before the government began its investigation into von NotHaus, the group was raising concerns about the popularity of Liberty Dollars among fringe groups on the far right.

I've always said that bigot, nerdy libertarians were dangerous and racist. 


Mon, 04/04/2011 - 14:57 | 1133667 The Axe
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I resemble that remark!!!

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 15:09 | 1133722 Bastiat
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Commies hate real money -- unless it's theirs.

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 15:18 | 1133780 DosZap
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I would believe BERNANKE before the scum sucking pigs a SPLC.

THe SPLC Makes UP shit about any group that is not ultra left wing.

They are worse than the ACLU.

You own a weapon, have a Concealed carry permit,go to a house of worship,do not agree with ALL the Gov't is doing, against illegal immigration?,you believe in the Constitution?.

Your their ENEMY,just like you are to the DHS.

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:15 | 1134108 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ Dos Zapos!

The SPLC is a leftist bunch of troublemaking scum.  THEY are internal enemies, just like CAIR and many others.

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 17:03 | 1134384 Clueless Economist
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Mon, 04/04/2011 - 15:23 | 1133812 trav7777
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SPLC is jew-run and funded

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:05 | 1134035 Andy_Jackson_Jihad
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I believe the extremist thing to do is start taking hostages/blowing up innocents until NotHaus is released from prison.  Worked for the PLO didn't it?


Mon, 04/04/2011 - 19:49 | 1134944 mick_richfield
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Worked for Israel.


Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:43 | 1134255 SheepDog-One
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Southern Poverty Zionist Unlawful Center. 

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 14:56 | 1133648 Careless Whisper
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i hope no one confiscates my farmville dollars.

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