First Person Account From Inside The China Protests

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Fri, 04/22/2011 - 08:49 | 1195692 66Sexy
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Powder Keg. Look for drastic economic action. China government cannot affford to have union style protests over wages.

Try buying gold or silver in CHina... it's much more expensive than in the U.S.

The peg is what's killing 'em. About that rumor of Yuan upward valuation this weekend? Possible....

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 09:02 | 1195724 SheepDog-One
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Yuan revaluation seems to have a bit more legs in light of trucker strikes and riots over pay and taxes. Well this clownshow can only go on so much longer, its getting real flaky. 

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 10:30 | 1195961 MarketTruth
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Have went to buy gold and silver in China, the rate is about 3% over spot for standard bars. Would not call it huge premium as go try buying gold in Vietnam where premiums are higher as the people are smart and truly value gold over paper currency. The USA is the cheapest, as you can get kilo bars @ spot price and 10 oz Pamp Suisse bars in the USA for only $18/oz over spot. Was in Austria and their Philharmonic 1 oz coin is available at normal banks; about four years ago it sold for about $30 over spot and odds are it is probably a bit higher premium nowadays yet have not been back to check.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 14:18 | 1196805 reader2010
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I heard some of the gold bars sold by the Chinese banks in China are actually fake. Buyers Beware!

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 21:57 | 1198138 TGR
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I think there is an additional 17% sale/VAT tax you have neglected to mention. Last time I bought physical in China (which is why I dont buy here) ICBC - a key bank - tacked on the 17% VAT, which you could call it a premium.

When you negotiate/price physical at gold outlets in China, they give you the spot price plus in-house premium. When you actually buy it though, the mandatory 17% surcharge is tacked on.

I will confirm it this weekend.

Did you actually go through with the purchase? I am guessing not as then you would have had the surcharge added.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 22:36 | 1198234 Tail Dogging The Wag
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"Investors need to diversify, they need to own some real estate, they need to own some farmland, they need to own some equities, some cash, and some precious metals..."   Marc Faber —Investment analyst

Got real estate and farmland outside your home country yet?

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Fri, 04/22/2011 - 08:48 | 1195694 tmosley
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Tyler,

I might remind you that truckers DID protest in 2008: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23903144/ns/business-oil_and_energy/

I can only speculate as to the reason they aren't protesting again.  My guess would be that all the independent truckers have gone out of business, and those working for companies don't pay for their own fuel.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 08:52 | 1195700 cat2
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Yes, I think your reasoning is sound.  There are few independent truckers left.  (As there not much anything free market left in USA, just big government assisted/blessed business left.)

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 08:59 | 1195715 SheepDog-One
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The independant trucker I know sold his truck and said to hell with it, he's going fishing. He said his last 2 months of trucking were pointless and he made no money at all.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 09:04 | 1195727 tmosley
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Yeah, we had a number of friends of the family who were truckers.  Some of them have disappeared, one joined the Army, and one is driving a dump truck (lots of road construction going on in Lubbock).

I only know one person who is still an over the road trucker, and she isn't independent.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 09:32 | 1195791 LawsofPhysics
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I can confirm more of this as well.  I know one big-rig repair shop that was picking up trucks abandoned on the side of the road by independent truckers.  All their work is now coming from large corporate trucking.  The independent _____________ is dying in this country.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 09:33 | 1195795 LawsofPhysics
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I can confirm more of this as well.  I know one big-rig repair shop that was picking up trucks abandoned on the side of the road by independent truckers.  All their work is now coming from large corporate trucking.  The independent _____________ is dying in this country.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 09:33 | 1195798 farmer1
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Similar to what our independent truckers went through 30 years ago.  Now bought and paid for.  We got us a convoy...

http://youtu.be/T5RI30RJIPk

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 09:40 | 1195816 farmer1
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Similar to what our independent truckers went through 30 years ago.  Now bought and paid for.  We had us a convoy...

http://youtu.be/T5RI30RJIPk

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 09:43 | 1195820 farmer1
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Similar to what our independent truckers went through 30 years ago.  Now bought and paid for.  We had us a convoy...

http://youtu.be/T5RI30RJIPk

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 09:43 | 1195821 farmer1
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Similar to what our independent truckers went through 30 years ago.  Now bought and paid for.  We had us a convoy...

http://youtu.be/T5RI30RJIPk

Mon, 04/25/2011 - 18:45 | 1205605 tomster0126
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Sad to hear so many similar stories...American truckers are some of the most hard-working men in our great country, it's horrible that independents have been forced out of the industry.  i thought about becoming a trucker as a kid, but now kids today see the profession as something lower than what it should be seen as.

 

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Fri, 04/22/2011 - 09:25 | 1195776 JailBank
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Independent truckers like Lincoln Hawk of "Over The Top" fame?

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 08:49 | 1195697 hognutz
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If it becomes to serious, look for a Tiannamen style event.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 09:05 | 1195714 Sudden Debt
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1 guy that ignored the red traffic light and who was confronted by a oncomming tank that was just barely able to stop in time?

And instead of being thankfull to that driver, he compained a waived a flag sho the thankguys couldn't get home in time to watch The Simpsons...

 

 

All I know is that if something like that made the news, it only means that traffic must be real safe in China.

I've walked through a red light many times... and here in Europe, I didn't make the news because I did so.

 

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 09:06 | 1195728 66Sexy
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"it only means that traffic must be real safe in China"

kidding, right?

Traffic in china is suicidal.... its who blinks first.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 11:56 | 1196337 dogbreath
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bullshit.   I've seen a guy on a bicycle (la la la) cross a major intersection diaganolly, stopping all traffic.  It was astonishing for me the westerner that there were no blaring horns and him not getting run over.  Afterwards I thought the guy on the bike had a great sense of humor.

Mon, 04/25/2011 - 18:47 | 1205613 tomster0126
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traffic is great in China compared to New York City...considering Beijing is like a can of sardines compared to the Apple I'd say they've done a pretty good job of facilitating their transportation infrastructure.

 

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Fri, 04/22/2011 - 09:53 | 1195835 Ethics Gradient
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I've told you before about the traffic in Belgium! Traffic lights merely indicate suggested behavior.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 10:14 | 1195884 duo
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I got the riot act for jaywalking in Belgium from a cop.  Kortjik, IIRC.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 12:33 | 1196465 msamour
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The Simpsons were not out during the incident at Tianamen Square in 1989, unless you are referring to The Tracy Ulmann Show, where they first appeared, then i'd say perhaps.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 13:10 | 1196583 Sudden Debt
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There's always one smartass...

 

 

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 08:52 | 1195699 Ivanovich
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Sorry to interrupt this important bulletin, but did anyone notice a $1, 10 second jump in silver just a moment ago or is my seemingly screwy feed broken.??

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 08:53 | 1195701 tmosley
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I don't think silver is trading right now.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 09:07 | 1195731 66Sexy
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they are just getting ready to post those 8's and 9's next week.....

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 09:18 | 1195761 breezer1
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oh yes it is and its moving...

http://www.bullionvault.com/gold-price-chart.do

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 08:51 | 1195702 Sudden Debt
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It's broken. Markets are closed.

 

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 08:56 | 1195711 Ivanovich
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That's what I thought.  I'm in a forex platform, and just happened to look at XAG/USD and it showed a $1 spike up.  So it must be bogus.  I'm hoping it's real, but oh well.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 08:59 | 1195719 Sudden Debt
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Today is a fucking boring day...

27 degrees outside...

All the smart people took the day off and I'm sitting here like all alone at the office...

I didn't do shit today...

Markets are closed today...

Tyler is sleeping it off...

And I still need to "work" 1 hour before I can take off...

 

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 09:17 | 1195757 Hephasteus
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Don't worry about the boredom. Things are going to get fully fucking barnum and bailey real quick.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 09:25 | 1195769 pazmaker
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tell me about it sudden....I'm sitting in a 630,000 sq ft warehouse with only 2 other people here....(on the other side of the warehouse at that)

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 09:19 | 1195762 breezer1
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markets are open in asia...

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 13:14 | 1196588 Sudden Debt
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I was talking about the grown up world.

 

 

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 09:19 | 1195763 pazmaker
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It went from 46.81 to 47.71....it is now back down to 47.28

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 09:15 | 1195758 pazmaker
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yes I saw it on oanda platform

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 08:54 | 1195709 SheepDog-One
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Still just a BIT too comfortable in america right now, 50 million still eat a bit due to food stamps and mass numbers of fired can contribute to their parents grocery bill and house payment since they moved back in with their whole family...for now. 

But give it another $1 buck up in gas prices and things will start to get squirrelly. 

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 09:08 | 1195734 66Sexy
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And that $1 up is coming.... hard and fast.

It still hasnt sunk in yet. $4.00+ gas here in nevada is already armaggedon. We're in the middle of nowhere, and now we aint GOING anywhere.... let alone people coming here!

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 13:55 | 1196696 FullFaithAndCretin
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I speet on your $4.00 gas. Try the UK where it equates to about $8.16. Ow

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 10:05 | 1195860 j0nx
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Don't count on it. Americans are neutered and petrified of their government. They will piss and moan on the internet just like they have been doing for the past 3 years and that will be the extent of it.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 10:31 | 1195954 alien-IQ
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If ever Americans do rise up to protest...it will be a flood not a trickle..

But I ain't holding my breath.

Things would need to be OBVIOUSLY (to all not just the informed) well beyond the point of no return and no hope. Then MAYBE people will get it together. MAYBE.

You can always count on Americans to do the right thing...but only when it's too late.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 11:06 | 1196127 Vendetta
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yep.  They'll vote in the next globalist republican or democrat and think it is going to get better.  Fact is US govt wants to be totaltarian like China and China wants what was America's wealth production.  The two govt's are totaltarian whether communist or fascist ... flip sides of the same coin

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 09:12 | 1195753 downwiththebanks
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When people protest for basic economic rights here in Babylon, Tyler, they're vilified on ZeroHedge.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 09:20 | 1195767 Tyler Durden
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Are people protesting for change or for retrenchment of encroaching communism?

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 09:26 | 1195772 alien-IQ
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"Just who are these goddamn reds, anyway? A goddamn red is anyone who wants 30 cents when I am paying 25." -- John Steinbeck

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 09:53 | 1195832 downwiththebanks
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Your comment was that people in 'America' do not protest.  The material basis of their demands is irrelevant to this thread.  People on Uncle Sam's Plantation DO protest against the economic warfare launched against them.  

From your little perch, you just ACT like they don't because you actually support the attack of liquidationist capitalism when it happens "here".

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