Fitch Cuts Greece To Triple Hooks From B+, Off Rating Watch Negative, Blast Lack Of Any Clarity

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Wed, 07/13/2011 - 12:50 | 1452488 camaro68ss
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Bullish, I bet this "Tradition" of down grading Greece is just "Transitory".


Netflix to the moon bitchz

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 14:05 | 1452800 ratso
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The implication of this downgrade of Greek debt is that the bag holder banks in Europe are quickly turning into Zombie Banks.  They are viable only to the degree that the ECB and individual countries guarantee that these banks will be kept liquid.  It took Japan 20 years to get rid of their Zombie Bank problem.  China is well on the way to creating its own version.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 17:53 | 1453815 knukles
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Grecian Ratings Drama in One Act


Fitch: We downgraded you to CCC, Greece.

Greece:  What?  Fuck you mean?

Well, there’s no clarity surrounding this whole financial problem

Whaddya mean?  The EU, IMF and somebody else whoever it was had a meeting about it.
We know there was a meeting, we read everything they wrote about it, and there’s no clarity.
Well, you shoulda gone to the meeting.

What?  We’re not invited to the meeting.
We’ll tell you about it.
No, you’re a conflicted party; we have to hear it from somebody else.
Whaddya mean conflicted?

The meeting’s about you, you dolt.
No, it’s about them.
Whadda mean about them?
We’re the ones owes them money and we can’t pay, so why worry about us?  Everybody knows. (Leonard Cohen singing “Everybody Knows” in background)
Guess you got a point there.
So maybe you should be more worried about their ratings, eh?

Now that’s a thought.

So there ya’ go, leave us alone and go play with their ratings. Would you like to play with my rating?
Put that thing away.  That’s disgusting!  You perv.

Here, bend over.
Are you crazy?
No.  You know the old saying; “When in Greece, take it as the Greeks do.”
Lemme go.
Lemme outta here. Lemm… mufbbl ghh upphhhhhhhh
Zorba, get the olive oil, we got a new one! 

(Closing scene… serene field, flowers, butterflies, unicorns shitting rainbow colored Skittles, morphing into face of young man originally from Fitch, now behind desk with plaque stating “Director, Greek National Ministry of Ratings, with silly ass grin on face)




Wed, 07/13/2011 - 12:50 | 1452499 The Axe
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who the fuck cares...just buy nflx or amzn    cash your profits in to buy gold....then buy a greek island on sale....

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 12:50 | 1452500 vote_libertaria...
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CCC...that means ching ching ching MONEY BABY!!!!



Wed, 07/13/2011 - 13:05 | 1452576 Dick Darlington
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When Italy drops to BB it's gonna be "bunga bunga" all night long!

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 12:50 | 1452501 misterc
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I drop my pencil.

Rating agency comes around the corner, says "You dropped your pencil."

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 13:23 | 1452633 Globalist Slayer
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LOL.  Indeed.  The fact that you dropped your pencil highlights the need for new measures to be implemented to address the possibility of the event from reoccurring.  No further clarity was forthcoming regarding the steps that you are prepared to take to prevent such an occurrence from taking place.  Any third party involvement in bringing this event to your attention reflects the vulnerability of the pencil to further impairment.  Thank you, "Captain Obvious", Fitch, for your useless insight.  Oh, by the way, here's to a job well done with the mortgage backed securities fiasco.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 13:29 | 1452667 karzai_luver
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someone dropped a pencil?????



Wed, 07/13/2011 - 13:31 | 1452677 Max Hunter
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Where were they 5 years ago when you were jabbing a pencil in my eye???  :)

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 16:07 | 1453335 boiltherich
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You mean they still do not have control over gravity?

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 14:55 | 1453017 kapillar
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I think that you totally underestimate the contagion risks resulting from further pencil dropping. Once the ramifications of the fall of the pencil is fully understood by the financial community and central banks have exhausted their means of providing accomodative measures to pencil droppers, rating agencies across the board may feel obliged to consider any measure as an event of def .. definitive action required by ... Mom? Mom?

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 12:51 | 1452507 swissinv
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Well I have to say, Greece is now definitely fucked... the EU will now let them go and all the sales and efforts were for the birds...

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 12:55 | 1452531 GeneMarchbanks
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At this point, the goal is simply torture anybody interested in this issue until you simply say: I give up! Then they can promptly default and nobody will care.

Wishful thinking... at best.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 12:55 | 1452532 Version 7
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Not to worry. The EU Justice Comissioner Viviane Reding has already promised to shut down or desmantle, or both, all the US rating agencies. For the sake of democracy.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 13:01 | 1452555 Dick Darlington
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From Fitch's website:

Fitch Ratings and Fitch Solutions, as well as Algorithmics, a leader in enterprise risk management solutions, are part of the Fitch Group. The Fitch Group is a majority-owned subsidiary of Fimalac, S.A., headquartered in Paris, France.


How did the song by Alanis Morrissette go? Lalalaa, isn't it ironic. Or something like that. =)

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 13:09 | 1452591 Version 7
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They'll be dismantled anyway. For working for the enemy.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 13:28 | 1452658 Dick Darlington
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Very true.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 16:14 | 1453368 boiltherich
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People will get their information from somewhere about the creditworthiness of debtors, or they will not invest, onthe one hand you have instead of the ratings firms the financial net like ZH which will tell them all they need to know; fiat is a ponzi scheme and there are no longer any investments that can reward you for the risks you are taking.  On the other hand without independent ratings agencies who in their right mind would would put a dime into these debt markets?  In fact, a lot of invested money is required to be invested only in topp notch rated bonds, with no rating it would be illegal to invest in these sovereigns.  Trust me, you don't need S&P or Fitch, I am Enron, would I lie to you?

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 13:30 | 1452673 karzai_luver
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well that's nice , but it's 10 years (at least) too late.


Wed, 07/13/2011 - 13:30 | 1452675 knukles
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A couple of days ago some wise seer in the upper reaches of the distinguished geniuses in the EU plutocracy demanded that there be an EU entity established to provide ratings on an independent, non-biased, undistorted, non-conflicted, professional, timely, thoughtful, rational (blah blah yada stfu alrady) manner.


(drum roll, flyover by borrowed American jet)

The Ministry of Ratings

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 12:57 | 1452541 sabra1
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and...............tonite china downgrades USA to get even, for the china bought useless bonds!

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 12:58 | 1452542 SDRII
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Spanish Finance Minister Elena Salgado said the nation might need to endure even deeper spending cuts next year than those approved by Parliament yesterday as it battles to stave off Europe’s debt crisis

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 13:04 | 1452571 Dick Darlington
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So far only thing that has come out of her mouth is hard and cold denial. Doesn't matter whether it's abt the deficit, "growth",  banks or whatever, the only thing she has said is "we have no problems, nada.".

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 13:03 | 1452546 carbonmutant
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Current Black Market prices in Greece.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 13:01 | 1452556 papaswamp
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Greece will never be able to repay. European countries are pouring money into a black hole. BDIY down almost 2%. HARPEX has rolled over and never recovered anywhere near precession levels. Being one if not their main industry...shipping is in a decline.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 13:33 | 1452688 karzai_luver
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None of them can "repay" including the nbr 1 deadbeat , usa.

You drop the mil out of the mix and this joke would collapse overnight.

Only the gun props it up now.



Wed, 07/13/2011 - 13:05 | 1452563 qussl3
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Almost all suckers onboard.

Once they sell the QE3 is here BS to the sheep, fun and games will follow.

Beware your paper PMs too.

Banana Ben made it pretty clear QE3 only considered if there is the threat of deflation, oil at 98 is not deflationary.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 13:08 | 1452585 john39
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that seems about right.  last big head fake, then the floor drops out.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 14:34 | 1452932 Saxxon
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That's what I think john39; and right soon.  I took advantage of today's 5% plus jump in Ag to finally exit my AGQ which has gone a long way in easing my adjida (Italian: stomach ache) over conditions.  IN cash now, debating ZSL but will probably stay my hand shorting Ag just now).  Good luck.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 13:05 | 1452577 Cognitive Dissonance
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Gpap - "Damn those scurrilous rating agencies. Damn then to hell."

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 13:14 | 1452606 GeneMarchbanks
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I read your article. I was wondering if have ever read the work of one Ernest Becker? Just curious.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 13:23 | 1452634 Cognitive Dissonance
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I do not know this author......yet.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 13:30 | 1452671 GeneMarchbanks
Wed, 07/13/2011 - 13:34 | 1452690 knukles
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I lost it.
I forgot.  Who just got downgraded?
Greece, Italy, Ireland, Iceland, Spain, Portugal or all of the African MENA region, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Somolia, Egypt, Yemen, France, the EBC or the IMF?

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 13:51 | 1452747 Cognitive Dissonance
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It does get confusing sorting out the losers from the losers.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 14:09 | 1452816 slewie the pi-rat
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was it a ratings agency got downgraded?  not buffett-moody's, i'll betcha!

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 13:10 | 1452592 carbonmutant
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Greece needs additional 71 billion euros in new EU aid

WASHINGTON: Greece needs an additional 71 billion euros ($100.6 billion) in European Union aid and 33 billion euros from private creditors to weather its debt crisis, the IMF said Wednesday.

Market sentiment has sharply soured against Greek debt, the IMF noted, pushing back its estimate for the eurozone country's return to the debt markets to the second half of 2014. The prior estimate was for early 2012.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 13:54 | 1452760 Jonas Parker
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So Obama and friends cancel the August Social Security chrecks and send the money to Greece instead! Oopa!

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 13:11 | 1452599 Neezer
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In other news, Fitch has just assigned a AAAA sovereign debt rating to US equities after the Bernanke testimony.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 13:12 | 1452602 coppertop
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Greek needs another olympiks

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 13:17 | 1452613 qussl3
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SNB and BOJ about to have fits soon.

With Banana Ben saying that the USD is less of a safe haven their export industries will just LOVE the handicap.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 13:21 | 1452624 JSD
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Long EUR/USD.  Very Long.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 13:26 | 1452646 Hansel
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Fitch had to wait until Greek debt yields 30% to downgrade.  Timely.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 13:51 | 1452749 scratch_and_sniff
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Exactly, a joke. I think they only do it to sound impartial and objective, "oh, look at the wise sages doing things thoroughly, they might be a bit eccentric but they sure are objective".

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 13:28 | 1452659 citta vritti
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whew, at least they’re off that Rating Watch Negative list 

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 13:37 | 1452694 carbonmutant
Wed, 07/13/2011 - 13:42 | 1452719 knukles
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Pronounce "CCC"

cee cee cee

Sounds like somebody being arse bunged if I've even heard it.
Poetic justice a la Pellican Bay or Greece...
Oh never mind.
Piis on it, I'm gonna to a Lions Club lunch and taunt everybody who told me a year ago that I was a punk for owning gold, silver, munis, commodities and non-US dollars.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 13:43 | 1452720 knukles
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Never mind.  They all passed away.  Old age.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 13:55 | 1452762 Lord Welligton
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Does this not come a day or two after the ECB said they would still accept Greek debt in Repo as "not all" the ratings agencies considered it junk?

Who's next?




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