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Fitch Finds US Worst Of The AAA-Rated Best, Sees QE2 As Stoking Inflation Expectations

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Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:10 | 887948 Cdad
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Lol!  Fitch.  Good one, Tyler! 

I suppose next you are going to tell us what Moody's said,  or something?  Fun times here in the Banana Republic Tree of America.

Here comes the Stud Man USD.  Everyone grab your video cameras 'cause this is going to be hot, hot, hot.


Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:09 | 887950 Dick Darlington
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And from the same worthless agency we were entitled to hear today that the yields on Portuguese government bonds are way too high in the light of "fundamentals". Again, why do we still have these same 15-years behind the curve agencies that still can't tell the difference between a ponzi scheme and a banana.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:13 | 887967 lieutenantjohnchard
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often i wonder what goes through the mind of people such as geithner and bernanke when testifying in front of committee. is it possible they believe their own words? and, given the assumption they don't who is the target audience since by and large only a few million folks actually watch or read their testimony, and certainly these latter folks understand the situation of usa insolvency.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:17 | 887984 A Man without Q...
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My guess, Geithner's thinking about the video of him with a Thai ladyboy that's sitting in Blankfein's safe...

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:16 | 887976 A Man without Q...
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"This despite the expected boost to U.S. GDP this year and in 2012."

If the deficit is 10% of GDP and GDP grows by 4% and since technically inflation is about 1%, your deficit is growing at twice the rate of your economy.  Can you not see why that might be a problem?

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:19 | 887992 NOTW777
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cant be bothered with this, the so-called "leaders" are getting ready for dinner and talking "cooperation." the MSM are breathless

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:29 | 888016 lunaticfringe
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Excellent snark. The MFM will wax all slobbery...while the Chinese are muttering the U.S. can go fuck themselves. Such theatre.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:25 | 888007 lunaticfringe
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The only credible rating agency, the one that is not bought and paid for is Dagong. And ya know what gives them further credibility? I think they have our debt rated A.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:34 | 888031 hedgeless_horseman
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Translated from Mandarin, A+ is indeed, "quite sucky," especially for the printer of the world's reserve currency.

“The general market perception is that there’s a risk that the Chinese rating agency is playing a bit more political game than providing independent analysis,” said Ian Lyngen, a government bond strategist in Stamford, Connecticut, at CRT Capital Group LLC, in a telephone interview. “I don’t think it has the same ramification as a downgrade by mainstream rating agencies such as S&P and Moody’s."


Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:30 | 888020 Gloomy
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Defaults by Cities Looming as U.S. Mayors Say Deficits Hinder Debt Payment

The mayors of Los Angeles and Chicago said the financial strains still weighing on local governments in the wake of the recession may cause cities to default on their bonds.

Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, a Democrat, said municipalities are being squeezed as states move to balance their own budgets, a step that can involve taking more funds that would otherwise be sent to towns and cities.

“There’s no question you’ll see some cities in default,” Villaraigosa told reporters today at a press conference in Washington, where the U.S. Conference of Mayors is meeting. “The difference between us and the federal government is they can print money. The states balance their budget oftentimes on the backs of cities, counties and school districts. We actually have to balance a budget.”

Speculation about local governments defaulting has weighed on the $2.9 trillion municipal market, where returns tumbled during the last quarter of 2010 by the most since 1994. Last week, yields, which move inversely to prices, hit the highest since the depths of the financial crisis in December 2008, according to the Bond Buyer 20 Index, a gauge of 20-year bonds backed by general tax revenue.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:31 | 888027 SunSword
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I'm going to ask what will (I think) appear to be a really, really stupid question. But I will preface it with a "what if".

Suppose the Fed continues to monetize the debt. Suppose further that other countries (like oh say China) sell off their US debt holdings in the open market and the Fed buys that also. To simplify, let's assume the Fed ends up buying most of the outstanding US debt as well as all the new issue. (I am stating this to simplify the case).

Now. At some point in the future, the simple case is: the US issues debt instruments, and the Fed buys all of them. In this hypothetical situation -- what will happen? I mean -- the US doesn't have to default on its debt because it can pay interest on the debt forever -- simply by issuing new debt -- which the Fed will buy. And it can issue new debt to pay off the old debt -- which the Fed will buy. Now obviously this will continue depreciation in the dollar but that's been going on for almost a century so -- so what?

What will happen in this scenario?

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:43 | 888073 flaunt
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Essentially that gives the treasury the printing press.  Credit rating will (or should) be dismal, and nobody will want U.S. treasuries since the Fed is the only buyer.  "Safe haven" status goes out the window.  Fed can't sell treasuries back into the market to "soak up liquidity" and keep price inflation in check.  I think that path would lead to full-blown worse-case-scenario hyperinflation.

In that situation lots of dollars could come home to roost from overseas which would exacerbate the effect.  The Yuan would continue appreciating and stem inflation in China while increasing it in the U.S. where it rightfully belongs.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:45 | 888083 hedgeless_horseman
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Most Americans will not be able to afford oil, or any other import.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:48 | 888095 lieutenantjohnchard
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my view is that your scenario is weimer redux from 1921/2/3. i think the wealthy in this country in your scenario would transfer all their holdings to gold/silver bullion and leave the country. it seems pretty clear to me.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:34 | 888035 Stuart
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Fitch, S&P and Moodys have all jumped the shark... in full bore Evel Knievel style too. 

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:35 | 888040 flaunt
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These kinds of analyses always hinge on the dollar being the global reserve currency.  Well, it's not exactly breaking news anymore that China is opening up the Yuan in anticipation of becoming a competing if not "the" reserve currency.  If it isn't the Yuan it will be something else.  Since the markets are supposedly forward-looking, it makes one wonder why we aren't seeing a full-blown panic out of the dollar and into something more "real." 

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:39 | 888054 Drachma
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"...due to the higher-than-expected deficits and debt levels expected..."


That's some mighty fine linguistic masturbation.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:40 | 888056 gibbs
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I met a fairy today who said she would grant me one wish, "I want to live forever," I said.

"Sorry," said the fairy, "I'm not allowed to grant wishes like that!"

"Fine!" I said, "I want to die after the Congress gets their heads out of their asses!"

"You crafty bastard," said the fairy.



Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:32 | 888324 johny2
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Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:18 | 888251 John Law Lives
Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:25 | 888288 AnAnonymous
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Comical.  Those guys have a bucket load of grades.

And they will want to sell people a story as stupid as it is the worst AAA they ever seen in their life.

Their measurement excludes comparison between same grades.

AAA is as AAA as AAA can be. There is nothing between an AAA and another AAA.

Still, the money must be good. So...

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 20:50 | 888855 t0mmyBerg
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"...which according to CNBC is great, but according to Weimar Germany is sucky to quite sucky..."

i have been sporadically laughing for 5 minutes now.  god damn the writing here is good.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 22:04 | 889030 Buck Johnson
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Those rating agencies should be gone and done with, but that won't happen.

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