FMX Connect Afternoon Gold Fix: "Yesterday’s Sell Off From The 1415 Area Seemed Almost Orchestrated"

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asdasmos's picture

Not to worry, Marc Faber is here to save the day.....


Marc Faber McAlvany Interview 23 February 2011.


Fred Hayek's picture

Thank you very much for providing that link.

Faber was interesting, as always, but the two hosts were also good.

SilverRhino's picture

Ya think??

Silver 36 end of next week as reality and squeeze catches up.

DoChenRollingBearing's picture

Friend of a friend of mine (FOAFOM?) reports from the north coast (Atlantic) of Florida that his local coin shop is ALL OUT of any bulk / coin silver (non-numismatic).

pgarner's picture

Tell me this has happened at 500 coin shops, and I'll pay attention.

Pool Shark's picture

It happened today at the US Mint:

Got my order in yesterday (thanks to Rocky Racoon).

Good luck getting any silver from the US Mint now...


Turd Ferguson's picture

"We won’t use the word manipulate"


SilverIsKing's picture

Anyone who thinks that the silver drop beginning at approximately 2:15pm on Thursday, February 24, 2011 is not manipulation is a stupid fucking asshole.  EE fingerprints all over that move.  Textbook.  Alright, maybe they aren't an asshole but they sure are stupid.

RockyRacoon's picture

Got my order in yesterday (thanks to Rocky Racoon).

Glad you were able to snag a few.  There are 2 possibilities:  1. They are sold out, or 2. They are seeking a price increase which takes a while.   The "temporary" nature of the unavailability leads me to believe that they are seeking a price increase.   I'd expect to see them again at $42 or so per set.   There are some dealers selling the sets at a markup over spot but that changes with the spot price (duh).   Paul Sims has an ad in Coin World offering 40 silver Statehood Quarter sets at $1,085.  That's $50 face in quarters.   Not bad if you can get 'em.   Silver in bullion rounds or perhaps ASEs are cheaper but nobody is going to confiscate your "numismatic" coins!

topcallingtroll's picture

Coin shops charge outrageous prices.  best buy and sell spreads I have found.

I have been dealing with them since 1997 even though I am now mostly out of precious metals and looking for the next big thing (probably slumlord management).

If you ever want to sell your precious metals it is fast and easy with and you get the best prices.  They will even tell you the rules on when they have to report transactions.  Just ask!

Now that the new 1099 $600 limit has been overturned you can buy and sell online without any problems.

dumpster's picture

I have been dealing with them since 1997 even though I am now mostly out of precious metals and looking for the next big thing (probably slumlord management).


top calling troll


look no further than precious metals

you really are really clueless.. about the monetary shape of the world ,

and have no clue about the up of gold or silver

in my opinion

a slum lord ,,

do your just fly with head in sand



Drachma's picture

Unfortunately another vague and ambiguous analysis. Could skyrocket or could tank. That's genius.

Gene Parmesan's picture

God forbid indeed.

Misean's picture

TBTF can't fail. The Feral can never run out of money!

SwingForce's picture

Connect the dots, you don't think swings in stocks are timed to options expirations?

You don't know, what you don't know. H.m.m.m.m. 

Waterfallsparkles's picture

What I find interesting is that stocks trade a lot around option prices during the day.

It appears to me that the exchanged have become option sellers.  The more they trade just above and below an option price the more options they sell.

It also seems like it has become like a Bribery scheme.  The more options you place, the more the stock will move in the direction you want.  Option makers are saying pay me enough money and I will move the stock in the direction you want.

ZeroPower's picture

The truth. Options move the underlying (ironic isn't it).

Its a lot easier to move the options due to less capital employed.

A_MacLaren's picture

You write this as if you thought these were honest markets...

Gene Parmesan's picture

The most troubling part of this manipulation, not to mention the rest of the bullshit being pulled by the banks and the .gov, is the fact that it's all so blatant. Nobody cares about the repercussions, or of getting prosecuted or having their name dragged through the mud at some later date. It's a frenzy of lawlessness. What we should be asking ourselves is "why don't they care?" The easy answer is that they realize that, soon enough, none of it will matter. We'll all be pre-occupied with frying bigger fish before this rat's nest of bullshit can be untangled.

Threeggg's picture

Looks like Gasparino from fuax news will have to eat his own shit !

All his Merideth Whitney bashing is going to come back to bite him!!

From AIG just out

Just a heads up, Silver going ballistic into the close.

$33.39 up 96.5 cents

johnQpublic's picture

them thar theys seem to be playin a little red, a little black, and even a little bit of green 0 00


so get your bets down and lets spin that wheel


meanwhile i'm buyin 1000 face of pre '64 in the morning for 22,500....below spot again woohoo

topcallingtroll's picture

ugh.  I remember paying $5800 for it and worrying I was making a mistake.  Are you sure you aren't a mo mo invester?

dumpster's picture


so you have been in precious metals since 98  and bought 716 oz of silver for 5800..


when 2900 would have bought the sack at 4.00

your blowing wind

Amish Hacker's picture

"The world is no longer pricing statistical probabilities, it is chasing after black swans."

Great line. And one reason why trying to predict what the market will do based on technical analysis, fundamentals, and past market behavior no longer seems to work. 

Quintus's picture

"Almost orchestrated".  

Ya don't say.

Does nothing else about the way the PM sector trades strike you as slightly unusual?  Maybe the astonishing concentration of short positions, unlike any other market, hints at there being something 'Different' about the objectives of the big players in Gold and Silver?  No?

RockyRacoon's picture

From Patrick Heller, his latest:

As the December 2010 COMEX silver contracts approached maturity, a higher than normal number of contracts were not closed out before the first day of notice for delivery.  In theory, potentially all of these open contracts could have ended up being called for delivery.  While a number of short sellers absorbed their losses by purchasing an offsetting long contract, the amount of silver that was needed for physical delivery did stress available COMEX inventories.

As a result, in November and December 2010 the price of silver jumped more than 30%.

This same pattern looks like it will repeat for the maturing March 2011 COMEX silver contracts.  This time, however, the potential supply squeeze is much larger.

February 28 is the first day of notice for delivery of the March contracts.  Normally, parties not wanting delivery would have closed out their contract long before then.  At the COMEX close on February 22, there were still 50,848 open March 2011 silver contracts, representing a potential liability to deliver 254.24 million ounces of silver by the end of March.  The COMEX registered silver inventories available to cover deliveries totaled only 41.91 million ounces.  Even including customer inventories that are stored at the COMEX, which are only eligible to deliver against COMEX contracts if the owners so choose (and most do not), the total is only 102.35 million ounces.

During COMEX trading hours on February 22, there were 124,000 March 2011 silver contracts traded—almost 2-1/2 times the number of open contracts!  This is almost unprecedented volatility!

Here’s what I suspect happened to cause such a huge trading volume that day.  The price of silver had been rising significantly for the past several trading days, reaching successive 31-year high price records (ignoring inflation).  The US markets were closed on February 21 for Presidents’ Day.  In trading in Asian and European markets early on February 22, the price of silver passed $34.00.  If this price were maintained, then a large number of short sellers would get margin calls when the COMEX market opened on February 22.  That could have forced leveraged short sellers to put up additional cash, physical silver, or to buy long contracts to close out their short positions.  Any of these actions would likely have the effect of pushing silver prices up even higher.

It appears that a massive effort was mounted to drive drown COMEX silver prices on February 22 in order to avoid or reduce the margin calls to leveraged short sellers.  This strategy was successful to a degree in that the price of silver dropped to just below $33.00 at one point on the COMEX.  The temporary drop encouraged some owners of long positions to liquidate and take profits, further helping to push the price down.

However, the price suppression effort was not successful at pushing down the silver price below the February 18 COMEX close.  Once it became clear that the manipulation was losing steam, buyers jumped back into the market on February 23.  During COMEX trading hours, the price of silver reached as high as $33.75.  Trading was extremely volatile, with 1% swings up and down occurring within a matter of minutes.

Several hedge funds, seeing how easy it was to make a short-term profit in silver squeezing COMEX short sellers last November and December, are likely to repeat the tactic with the maturing March contracts—but on a greater scale.

If the price of silver from now through the end of March were to rise by 30% again, that would put the price around $43.  But, if there is a larger supply squeeze underway, the price could go much higher.

Already we are seeing several physical silver wholesalers using a two-tier silver spot price system.  If you want to sell to them, they are using spot prices derived from COMEX and other markets.  On the other side, if you wish to purchase physical metals from them, they are quoting a selling spot price that is 5-10 cents higher than their buying spot price.

The mainstream media is reporting that stock market prices and most commodities (with the exception of gold) fell on February 22 as a result of concerns about unrest in countries in the Middle East and North Africa that could lead to reduced supplies of petroleum.  The unrest is sparked in part by soaring food prices (which the US government pretends is not occurring) in addition to political factors.  But this news does not give you a clear picture of what is really going on in the silver (and gold) markets.

Expect both gold and silver prices to become much more volatile in the coming weeks.  Don’t be surprised if silver prices move across a $2-3 range within a 24-hour period.  In the past week, our company has enjoyed a significant increase in demand for physical silver.  Thus far we have been able to make immediate or short-term delivery of most forms of silver.  That could change quickly.  At last report, the Perth Mint was telling buyers that they would have to wait until at least April to receive delivery of newly manufactured silver ingots.

Even though silver prices are now near 31-year highs and gold is near its highest prices ever, I still consider both of them to be at bargain levels compared to what I expect to see by the end of March.  Silver will outperform gold, but both will do well versus the US dollar and all currencies.

John Law Lives's picture

Look at those commodity prices soar today (mostly aside from Gold):

I wonder if Chairsatan-Psychopath will keep shoveling out $$$ until nothing is affordable.

trav7777's picture

his bank's product is built on a foundation of does everyone expect him to do, let the compound interest consume the entire money supply?

The erosion in confidence WRT the dollar is due to achievement of collective point of recognition that, as a debt instrument, its NPV must be discounted to reflect the reality of a future of contraction.

John Law Lives's picture

The Fed is supposed to fight inflation.  It is not supposed to monetize debt and fan the fires of inflation and drive more people into abject poverty in the process.

Chairsatan-Psychopath = The enemy

MrBoompi's picture

If you pay with silver instead of $$$ maybe you'll be able to afford it.

John Law Lives's picture

Take an ounce of silver to your nearest grocery store and see if they accept it in exchange for food.

gwar5's picture

At least look now for retailers of the future.

Show them a silver Eagle and establish barter buddies now.


Richard Head's picture

Done!  If you're in front of me in line, I'll swap my green paper for your ounce of silver so you can get your food.

John Law Lives's picture

If things become that dire, the most valuable possession of mine would probably be my gun.'s picture

Fiat currencies fail all the time. Folks get upset but I don't think you'll necessarily want to be shooting people. Such behavior would likely create far more problems for you than it might solve.

John Law Lives's picture

I never suggested I intended to shoot anyone, brainiac.  People use guns to hunt for food.  I don't hunt people.

RockyRacoon's picture

I can trade a silver quarter or a Franklin half for nice veggies at my local farmer's market.

You might want to get out in the real world and see how things get done.

John Law Lives's picture

I did not say that merchants would not take silver coins, brainiac.  I told the other poster to take an ounce of silver and try to buy food at a grocery store with it.

You might pay attention next time instead of trying to throw a verbal dart.

RockyRacoon's picture

I say again:  Real World.   Long supply chains and pre-packaged TV dinners and fake mac-and-cheese are not the real world.   If things get bad the habit of shopping where the common folk shop will pay off.

dumpster's picture

just stop by the coin shop on the way to the store ,


your out of metals now,, and blowing smoke all over the place

retail investers  like you .. lol

you mean day traders like you .. a dime a dozen

Kobe Beef's picture

Exactly. We the readers of the Zedge can establish silver as a circulating, competing currency.  Can't End the Fed until we've replaced their debt/tax ponzi with something better.

If you own a business, quote your prices in Silver, Gold, or dollars. Give the people an option to debt & taxes.



Long-John-Silver's picture

I always stop by a Pawn shop on Fridays and look for Silver he's pulled from the back room and displayed for sale. I usually pick up a Silver coin or two. Imagine my shock when he told me he will no longer sell any Silver and Gold he takes in. I called him a Hoarder and we both laughed.


camoes's picture

Market manipulation bitchez!

John McCloy's picture

It is all orchestrated and right out in the open. The market was heading toward a major correction and then "The Rumors" and then the margin hikes.

    They have unlimited money and political,media protection and evidently judicial immunity to rig the game.This is the most disgraceful I ever could have imagined..legalized mafia like Wall Street cosa nostra cartels. 

   Push down the commodities, push down metals, push down oil, ramp up rumors, move all shorts out over and over and over again and then push the markets up with the sole belief they can never go down again. Shameful excuse for a free market. I wish everyone could come together on this for the orchestrated flash crash in May meant as a financial terrorist attack to our legislative system. We have had far more plausible catalysts than the Greek riots and in the end you have to come to the conclusion that the market fell 1000 points only because it was intended to as a message.

huggy_in_london's picture

Totally agree.  It was laughable how the BS rumour came and the margin hike came.  And exactly as you say, just as the market was getting into gear for a meaningful correction.  When S&Ps trade down 15 handles its a battle all day, a genuine ebb and flow.  When it rallies 15 or so, like today, it's one way trading, gets to the highs and sits there.  At the end of the day though, you can't hold markets forever.  


John McCloy's picture

"At the end of the day though, you can't hold markets forever"

   And that is the exact belief and mentality of logical folks that they are trying to challenge now incredibly. How can they not realize that by lulling everyone into a state of complacency we are compounding the problems of the past busted bubbles into a scenario where even more wealth is lost than before? The scenario they are cooking up is one none of us would have believed 2 years ago..

As the market crashes into oblivion and the positions are liquidated the citizenry will hold their stocks providing a temporary level of support of which there will be no return. All of this has been done as a psyop to once again theive money and wealth for the insiders. And the chumps will buy into the collapsing ponzi ALL THE WAY DOWN to Dow 2,000. That is what makes the Fed so criminal.

huggy_in_london's picture

Yep, you're right.  And I gotta tell you, i got short this week as technicals (amongst plenty of other things) stink and after seeing what happened in the last 24 hours (rumours, margin and todays rampathon) even I am asking myself "why bother - this thing isn't allowed to go down?".  We went up 29.3% in pretty much a straight line, and when we pull back 2.5% its made out to be a disaster.  It's rigged.  I am better off spending my time finding a hole in the ground to hide in!!

topcallingtroll's picture

Yeah I sold my spxu for a lousy one percent gain. This market is tough to short, but everything says buy bonds and short stocks. It has to bounce the other way eventually.

Bastiat's picture

It screams at you -- it's epic to watch them fail in spite of all the extra-legal machinations.  Physical trumps and NOTHING can stop it.