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Forget the irrelevant inventory accumulation... pardon... GDP number. The real news today is coming from Egypt, where history is currently being made and a regime is in the process of being overthrown despite the unprecedented country-wide internet shutdown. The fallout from today's riots will be momentous. Follow all the news in real time from Al Jazeera.

 

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Fri, 01/28/2011 - 20:18 | 915011 kaiserhoff
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A corrupt government with its balls in a vise..., how satisfying.

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 20:34 | 915038 Aristarchan
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That fucking Mubarak.....I bet my wife a hundred bucks that the treacherous old bastard would be gone by Dawn in Cairo......then the asshole sandbags me by showing up in Egypt and giving that asinine speech. I hope he ends up like Mussolini.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 14:35 | 916327 Rick Masters
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And then who would replace him? Did you think of that? ElBaradei. No. Democracy. wrong again. The Muslim Brothers: yes, that is correct. But I think Mubarek is far from finished. Let's wait and see.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 16:11 | 916560 Aristarchan
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Who ever replaces a dictator? somebody. Not likely the Muslim Brotherhood, and maybe not El Baradei...there are other opposition leaders that could form a coalition government. But, It is not up to me, it is up to the people rioting in the streets - and it is their country.

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 20:41 | 915047 born2bmild
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Fave quote of the week Alexander Cockburn on Counterpunch this AM

President Gasbag

 

After watching President Obama’s state of the union, plus the first Republican response to it by Rep Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, and the second response by Rep Michelle Bachmann of Minnesota, chair of the Tea Party caucus in Congress, it‘s  hard to avoid the conclusion that if nations survive and prosper by realistic assessment of their problems,  America really is finished.

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 20:56 | 915078 mcarthur
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A near future flash point- South Africa.  After visiting a few times I concluded that there were only two things keeping this nation together- World Cup soccer and respect for Mandela.  The first is over and the second will be soon.  Look for escalating violence to chase the whites out of the country followed by an economic collapse.

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 21:14 | 915096 YHC-FTSE
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Prospicience:

1. When the smoke clears, there are going to be 1000's injured and hundreds "missing" (x10 if this goes on longer than 7 days) 

2. If not already, there will be Israeli interference to support Mubarak. One Israeli cabinet minister, according to the Washington Post, snidely remarked, "(Egypt is) well rooted in the military and security apparatuses. They will have to exercise force, power in the streets, and do it."

3. Mubarak's government will fall.

4. El Baredei will be the interim president before new elections this year. Ayman Nour will probably take a strong role.

5. Loads of MSM Islamophobic bullshit on "The Muslim Brotherhood", but they will eventually have the power base they deserve in the new govt.: Tiny. Remember, this uprising was started by smart young people using facebook and twitter, and the MB only deigned to join in late yesterday.

6. Leaders of countries will fall over themselves to congratulate the new government - saying they supported the people of Egypt all along, especially the US despite supporting, training, and funding ($1.3B!) the security forces that trampled them for 30yrs. 

7. Thousands of hours of brutality and murder captured on mobile phones in Egypt will be uploaded to Youtube as soon as the internet is restored, giving second thoughts about insurrection to all the nutjobs who think armed riots and fighting the government would be fun.

8. Holiday destination of the year 2012: Luxor.

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 21:15 | 915125 Reese Bobby
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Stalin-like sensitivity from the cheap seats...

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 21:37 | 915178 Bringin It
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Looks like a pretty realistic assesment/projection to me, except for the Luxor bit at the end.  I predict declining vacation travel into the foreseeable future.

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 21:53 | 915210 Reese Bobby
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The most objectionable, insensitive thought was: “…giving second thoughts about insurrection to all the nutjobs who think armed riots and fighting the government would be fun.”

You assume Egypt will arrest all protest leaders and torture them to death like Iran, which is controlled by satanist extremists.  Yes, I think satan is real…have a field day…

If you want to learn something read:

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=41246

There is no solution on the horizon.  But we don’t have to lose our humanity…

 

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:12 | 915435 Bringin It
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RB - Pat Buchanan almost had something to say a long long time ago.  The only reason he's still around is that he knows what he can not say.  My aged parents love the guy though.

re. the quote - “…giving second thoughts about insurrection to all the nutjobs who think armed riots and fighting the government would be fun.”

I see the quote saying insurrection is difficult, not that it is unnecessary.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 10:56 | 915852 YHC-FTSE
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+1

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:28 | 916026 Reese Bobby
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Well I do doubt you two are bad people; just young.  But I am old enough to know I can't speed up your journey.  And to some degree a person's humanity does lag behind during the jouney.

Today reminds me of the 1960's when I was barely out of short pants: an important youth movement that was ultimately corrupted and darkened by laziness and low-life hanger'ons. Everything is faster in the internet age.  ZH often makes me wonder if the 1960's-like journey of young people today has skipped quickly to the dark hanger'on phase.

Best of luck.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 14:38 | 916335 Rick Masters
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The conclusions people are reaching on this topic are starting to become way to influenced by western thought and if you think for a second that the Al-Ikwan (the Brotherhood is tiny; you are clearly not getting your facts right). In one election they won 20 percent of the seats. Hardly tiny. And that was rigged.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 04:09 | 917536 Bringin It
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I support self-determination.  Muslims stopped attacking the West 400 years ago.  As Ron Paul once famously said said words to the effect that We're over there

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 21:28 | 915156 Misean
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So will the West German government take on the task of reunification, now that the wall is comming down...Oh, wait, wrong decade, wrong empire...

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 21:44 | 915195 Dr. Gonzo
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Yesterday RobotTrader commented about his view that the silver shortage was a scam and marketing trick and and he cited his dealer in California that appeared to be amply supplied since their inventory posted on-line was listed "In Stock".  I don't dispute that to be true....Yesterday. But it's today now and shit changes. My guesstimate for silver coin and bars in stock, for sale, and ready to deliver in this country is around 1 to 2 million oz. My point is that in stable times this could be considered adequate. These are not stable times and these paltry supplies (28 to 56 million) could vanish quickly or become not for sale. Same for gold. How many potential paper and physical buyers got their hands forced today when they saw oil rise 4% and the stock market drop. Those were my thoughts about PM's and oil when I saw film footage of the situation in Egypt. People wake up real quick and start to think about what is real when shit like this happens. I'm no Turd Ferguson but my feelings are that this was a visceral game changer for the PM's. If I am a rich citizen with lots of paper assets I want to own gold or silver right now in a really bad way. 

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 21:58 | 915219 born2bmild
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You make a good point Gonz'. It is time for folks to get practical (not just w/ Au). There have probably been enough posts on ZH about what kinds of guns and ammo to own but the rest of it seems a little under addressed. I thought the following was a pretty impressive tool to get us through the near future, I hear it's spreading like wildfire in Australia lets start one here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qZPwBPAqks

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 22:45 | 915303 Bringin It
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I have a fish pond.  Today, I'm pumping the nutrient rich water from it on to my wheat, garlic and soy. 

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 22:52 | 915309 born2bmild
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I have a biologist/farmer friend that is looking feverishly for spot to do that in SanFrancisco or Oakland. Seems like a winning idea and a very timely one too. What kind of fish do you have?

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:20 | 915447 Bringin It
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Here it's called bpla nin.  Where bpla means fish and nin comes from ... Nile --> Nile River Fish.  What a coincidence!  Here, a trailing 'l' sound becomes an 'n'.  Someone told me the other day where I can find trout minnows.

re. in SanFrancisco or Oakland - I know there's an RE melt-down underway in the US, but that's still mighty expensive turf for farming isn't it?  Why not go out towards Davis where they grow rice?  You could float the produce down river to the Bay Area.

Wow! Maybe I sould do that?

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 19:09 | 916879 Cathartes Aura
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you guys may be interested in what they're doing in Detroit with urban farming, including aquaponics - there are some good vids and links here:

"Self Sufficient Detroit? Urban Food Revolution in Motor City"

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/08/self-sufficient-detroit.php

and: "Growing Power: Urban Aquaponics, Vermiculture and Sustainable Agriculture"

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/05/growing-power-urban-aquaponics.p...

while the Bay Area might be too pricey, for now, Oakland warehouses could be "available" soon. . .

here's a fave link of mine:  Forage Oakland

http://forageoakland.blogspot.com/

community, it's what you make of it.

 

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 04:13 | 917537 Bringin It
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Thanks CA.  I will check these out.  I'm looking for information on better ways to grow organic rice, in case you want to recomend a source.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 14:35 | 918077 born2bmild
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Not sure what your climate is but a youtube search for "rice permaculture" brought a few up. I always start with permaculture until I find something better.

Mon, 01/31/2011 - 03:26 | 919542 Bringin It
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Tropics.  Thanks amigo.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 11:19 | 917715 YHC-FTSE
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+1 Bookmarked thread.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 15:00 | 917981 born2bmild
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Hey Cathartes, those links are pretty cool and the growing power one is the same as the one I posted (ha ha).

I love the urban hunter in detroit selling 'coon meat and pelts. I live right by Golden Gate park and every night you would think Noah's ark is boarding up the street, coons, possum, skunk, foxes. My nurse friend works nights and she says she's seen deer in the city. I also love the idea of the text barter network on the Forage link you posted. They moved. http://forageoakland.tumblr.com/ They do that live on the air over the radio in Humboldt, "Larry in Shively will trade a '79 toyota pickup bumper for a case of Anderson Valley."

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 21:45 | 919010 Cathartes Aura
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*oh snap* on the double linkage born2bmild - maybe they're meant to get some traffic, eh?

the urban hunter story was brilliant, I agree - tho' I'd have to be mighty hungry to eat some of those furry critters. . . sadly they're being forced out of their more "natural" habitats as nature gets paved over/disturbed. . .

as to the Humboldt trade networks. . . uh yeah, Garberville alumni here, heh. . . probably why the aerosoling programme is so intensive up in NoCal - those folk were sooo outside the system the only thing left was spraying, sigh. . .

The regional testing for aluminum began over claims that the exhaust trails consist of aluminum, barium and strontium. Since May, 2008, over 40 samples have been collected, with the majority showing high levels of aluminum. “This rain water is essentially poisonous,” said Frances Mangels,  one of the citizens involved in the sampling.  Mangels has expressed his concerns to local governments and state and federal agencies but has heard no responses to his inquiries.

http://www.mtshastanews.com/news/x844655939/Citizen-concern-lingers-over...

we are indeed living the "interesting times" curse. . .

happy fishin'

Mon, 01/31/2011 - 04:27 | 919547 Bringin It
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CA - that's awful.  Not NorCal!  Not Humbolt! 

Agent Orange is still deforming life in VN. 

Edit -------------------------------------------------

CA I have a question.  I don't have chemtrails where I live.  There's one flight a day out of the valley.  Outside of occasional military helicopters no other craft in the sky.

Here's what I don't get.  Where does this stuff come from?  What fields are they taking off from.  Who are the actors?  Gov. or contracted private cos.?

There's so much wealth in America, do people ever get up in private planes to film or follow?

I ask because the article in the Shasta newspaper says the existance of these things is not firmly established.

If any of this is known, then affected people can vist the actors and via the democratic processes, make their objections known.

Thanks.

 

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 21:56 | 915215 Charles Wilson
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I know it's tough to read 500+ just to rate this post as *JUNK* but, as Joseph Heller once said, "Something Happened".

Proclaimer: I use Linux by choice - PCLOS - but have had to access the Int-net via a Windows Laptop lately.  So I'm scrolling via the touchpad thru ZH and as I pass over "Follow the AlJazeera feed", the touchpad decides it wants to follow the link and I find that I'm looking at a frozen screen, IE is locked up solid and I have to completely reboot.

Any other IE people have this problem?  Are we being watched?  Is Al-J being monitored?  Is there really a tooth fairy?

 

CW

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 22:10 | 915233 Captain Kink
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thread killer.

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 23:20 | 915344 gwar5
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We're all being watched right now, but don't get paranoid about....

You have a 12 hour head start before your IP GPS finder locater is reported to the proper authorities....

 

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:26 | 915452 Bringin It
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For now, you disappear into the haystack with all the other needles.  The danger arises when you become a person of interest and they see all the electronic footprints you've given them over the years.  I think a lot of the internet security companies are now Israeli, eg. RSA.  Surprised?

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:56 | 915588 Dapper Dan
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SUBVERT THE DOMINANT PARADIGM!

 

(To "subvert the dominant paradigm" means to not go along with the commonly held belief. To think outside the box. Trying to come up with other viewpoints.)

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 08:46 | 915750 Head for the Hills
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 “The Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself" -FDR

People worried about being detected for thought crime are already imprisoned.  So unplug your interrnet and hide back under the bed.

 

 

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 22:23 | 915239 Salinger
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Fri, 01/28/2011 - 22:33 | 915288 born2bmild
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Hey Salinger what happened w/ yr post? I refreshed the window a few times.

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 22:39 | 915298 Bringin It
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WTF your excellent slag of Wiki went away.

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 22:46 | 915305 Yen Cross
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Well January has been event-full to say the least. My yen trade worked out well, buy could have been much better. Don't get too hyper over oil. There is a under-utilized pipeline, in the event of a Sueskanal Canel slowdown. I'm still long USD. This pullback is healthy.

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 22:57 | 915316 Yen Cross
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Also for all you forex and commodity traders. Don't forget month end flows!

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 23:14 | 915335 gwar5
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Amb. Bolton:

"We're not on our way to the age of Aquarius if the demonstrators get their way, it's a lot more complicated than that. The Muslim Botherhood is watching this closely and this is a dangerous situation."

The other Bolton:

"When a ma-an loves a Wo-man..."

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Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:07 | 915428 Misean
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Bolthead's such a tool. I wonder what "investments" he has in the region are threatened...

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 02:04 | 915597 Rodent Freikorps
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Why don't you research that and report back?

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 15:24 | 916443 Randall Cabot
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Anything Bolton wants, I want the opposite. I hope the Muslim Brotherhood takes over in Egypt and sends these hysterical supremacist jews like Bolton and Weiner and Malzberg fumbling for the Xantac.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 19:30 | 916911 Cathartes Aura
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I'm hoping they'll reach for something "more effective" than antacids.

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 23:37 | 915372 chindit13
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Ain't no Tea at that Party.

We should learn how it's done.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 10:04 | 915792 tip e. canoe
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indeed chindit.

will be interesting to note when & how the pyramid structure tries to rebuild itself within the amorphous organism and whether the organism will be successful or not in resisting the virus.

this article brings up some fascinating points, especially when one considers the audience for which it is written ----

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-achieve-peace-digitally-driven-asy...

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:08 | 915868 Salinger
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by audience I assume you are referring to BI's HuffPooinan roots and audience

 

Now, let me (Henry Blodget) begin by saying that I am friends with Ken Lerer and Arianna Huffington (co-founders of the Huffington Post) and that Ken Lerer is an investor in Business Insider.

 

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/This-Huffington-Post-Lawsuit-siliconalley-...

 

 

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 23:52 | 915398 walküre
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The real problem is the power vacuum that opens after a revolution.

Biggest threat is the Muslim Brotherhood. Should they emerge as the new regime, I predict worst case scenario for the entire region. Muslim Brotherhood are students of the Taliban.

 

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:10 | 915432 Misean
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Seriously? Such deft back of a postage stamp analysis...you get your marching orders from Sean Insannity or the oxycotin addled hyppocrite Bush Dimbulb?

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 02:06 | 915598 Rodent Freikorps
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Good planners plan for the unlikely. This seems less than unlikely.

Got anything other than ad hominem attacks?

Mises would be ashamed of you.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:17 | 915443 CPL
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There is no threat from the Muslims speaking as a Catholic.  The biggest threat you are looking for right now is ruling you slave.  It's a good thing that you enjoy the cock you suck in terms of taxes, removal of rights and most exclusively of any westerner.

 

The INABILITY TO RUN A BUSINESS WITHOUT HELP FROM THE GOVERNMENT.

 

One more week in egypt and europe is hosed, then the US will understand there is zero "texas tea" and it was off shored.  Then the banks break.  Shortly after the US and Canada will have understood they should not have sold their spare food reserves during a bad winter.

 

So.  It's less about religon even if the kikes want it to be about that.  This will be about food by July 2011.  Just not in time for harvest in Sept.  Not sure how long people can live without food but I'm pretty sure it's around 3 weeks.

 

Good luck folks.  The Suez isn't just about gas.  Israel threw the road block up last time and people starved at 2.3 billion.  It's nearly 7 billion and the nuclear club hasn't been determined since the cold war ended and ...well.. nobody gave a shit.  The Suez also feeds your sorry asses.

Nobody is pulling crap from point a to b right now.  That crap is what you drink in the morning, eat, smoke, wear....blah blah blah.  NYC is going to have huge lay off notice in around three weeks because of empty boats.  England should have riots.  Ireland should be just fine as should the Nordics.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:52 | 915584 pton09
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Don't you think the riots will die down this weekend?  Early Saturday AM and it looks like it's all calm in Egypt already. 

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:30 | 915464 Bringin It
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Re. Biggest threat

Biggest threat to who?  You maybe.  Not me dude.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:26 | 916019 TonyV
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Muslim Brotherhood are students of the Taliban.

Where did you hear that, CNN, FOX?

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:36 | 915474 Aristarchan
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Mubarak's defiance has just ramped up the heat. His speech has drawn him closer to the edge of the abyss. The army is sitting around watching looters, waiting for instructions from somebody. Mubarak is keeping his escape plan finely tuned, Obama is rubbing his temples wondering why his mush-middle bullshit is not flying with the Egyptians (hell, it knocked 'em dead in Peoria....), Prince Bandar is pleading with Obama to not abandon Mubarak (he knows his country will be next), Israel is concerned about the loss of a more-or-less friendly leader of the largest military in the region, and are bending Clinton's ear to either back Mubarak or arrange a viable transition to somebody not bent on driving them into the sea. The Egyptian police have shucked their uniforms and are blending in. The Syrians are quietly positioning plain-clothed secret police in strategic areas, Bernanke is rubbing his pudgy little hands in glee at the panic move to US bonds, and I am handing my wife a crisp, green 100 dollar fiat bill for losing my bet that Mubarak would be gone by dawn in Cairo. That pretty much sums up the strategic geo-political situation as it stands now....seems my wife and helicopter Ben are the only winners.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:21 | 915541 Misean
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By way of your final point, your wife should not gloat much...

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:27 | 915550 Aristarchan
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I agree....but she is laughing her ass off anyway.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:40 | 915481 BigDuke6
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i think we should not forget that our egyptian buddies have helped get gold up out of that scary $1320 support level....

we're all saved!!!

 

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:44 | 915485 Aristarchan
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Yep...we all love the smell of $1320+ gold in the morning.:)

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:56 | 915501 BigDuke6
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Napalm and water-cannon really brings out the shine.

 

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:00 | 915507 Aristarchan
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I can remember a time when I fucking loved napalm...it meant I could flop down in the mud and sleep.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:09 | 915521 BigDuke6
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Vietnam huh?

Up the Nong river ... near the Doh Long bridge?

Now it'll be up the Nile river , near the Aswan dam.  

i don't rate egypt cos its hard to spell.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:22 | 915543 Aristarchan
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I spent most of my time in the Delta, ass deep in water.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:30 | 915555 Aristarchan
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Guess I would have run into rehab-sheen's old man if I had been up around the Doh Long bridge:)

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 16:09 | 916554 11b40
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LRRPs & night ambush w/101worst out of Camp Evans - up & down the hills all over I-Corp.  Welcome home, Dudes!

Who would have thought our "leadership" could have learned so little in the past 40 years?

Get in, do the deal, get out - or don't go in.

We have TOTALLY screwed up the ME and it's now our tar baby.  Remember, if you break it, you own it.

There are so many things that could go badly wrong for us happening there right before our very eyes, and any of our central planners who think they can control the dogs of war once they have been let out...well, they just have not met those dogs.

The Vietnamese did not hate us for our freedoms, and the Muslims don't either.  They hated us for the repression we supported.  We were domed to lose there, and we are doomed to lose in the ME - both for the same 2 simple reasons.

First, we don't have a clue what victory even looks like or means.

Second, a free (or relatively free) populace does not have the stomach to do what it takes to repress another country or region long enough to change a culture.

Now, the match has been lit in North Africa and the ME, and the dogs are on the run.  The Domino Affect so prominently used to justify our aggression in VN just might come true Throughout that region.  How ironic that we played such a big part in setting it in motion.

Round & round she goes, and where she stops, nobody knows.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 16:48 | 916634 Aristarchan
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9th Infantry, Dong Tam with the Navy MRF on S&D in the Big Brown.

You know...we also have the thought that just because people like to come to our country for various reasons, they automatically want their country to be like ours.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 18:01 | 916759 11b40
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Float your boat up Cambodia way?

We also have this automatic belief that our culture is 'superior'.  The older I get, the less sure I am of that.  America seems to be running in reverse.

We go in and turn a country upside down with no idea of how to improve the life of the average citizen.  You and I know that the average VN villager could have cared less if the rulers were in Saigon or Hanoi.  They lived with the rhythm of the seasons and the fruits of their labor in a centuries old system that worked for them.  But the Western influences arrived and turned it upside down...much like in the ME.

It's gonna be a wild week.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 18:22 | 916802 Aristarchan
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Closest I got was the Plain of Reeds. Spent most of my time in the Rung Sat, U-minh Forest and in the heart of the Delta around Dong Tam. Went boating with the Navy....we had to get out and walk or swim while they kept dry. I went on a lot of insertions with PRU's and VN Marines, and although they claimed to hate communists - and certainly didn't mind killing them, I don't think they gave much of a shit who was running things.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 18:27 | 916812 Aristarchan
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Did you ever get a chance to go back to Vietnam?

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 19:20 | 916896 11b40
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No, but would love to.  Actually thought I might when I retired. 

Of course, 5 years ago, I thought I might be ready to retire about now.  multiple snafus have changed those plans, and I will probably work until I die.  Downsizing is a bitch, but since I am also the owner, I gues I'll be last to get a pink slip.  Should have taken a government job ;-)

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 20:29 | 917015 Aristarchan
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If you ever get the chance, I think you would really like it. I lived and worked in Asia for years, so had the opportunity to go there several times. I toured all of the old places I had been, But, one jungled shoreline looks pretty much like another. I did find a place in the U-Minh forest that I will never forget. We had been doing our  routine "draw-fire" runs in a PBR when we got ambushed going through a narrow neck in a canal. A B-40 rocket hit the starboard side of the boat just below the sheer line, it penetrated that and hit the forward .50 tub and blew up, killing the gunner and driving his helmet at high-velocity right into my chest, knocking me off the boat and into the water. I was not wearing a vest, so one pretty decent Navy guy dove in and dragged me back to the boat as the crew was blowing everything in sight to shit with the rear 50, the starboard-side M60 and the Mk-19 grenade launcher. That one got me a fractured breastbone and broke 5 ribs...and some R&R! BTW....We did not spend long in the water, but both of us got covered with red leeches, I even had one on my fucking tongue.

I know what you mean about changed plans. Just try to avoid issuing that last pink slip:)

 

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 17:11 | 918527 11b40
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Freaking leeches...we had them up North, too.  Leeches, boils, trench foot, being wet for weeks at a time - literally.  Cold and wet in the monsoon season and no cover to get dry.  Try living outside in the rain 12/7 for a couple of weeks, subsisting on MRE's.  I have not been camping or slept on the ground since I got back, and hope I never do.

That wasn't a guy named Kerry who pulled you out of the water, was it? ;)

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 18:33 | 918709 Aristarchan
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HO HO HO! No....and if It was, I am not sure I would admit it. Hey dude, MRE's didn't come around until the 1980's.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:53 | 915496 born2bmild
Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:57 | 915502 Aristarchan
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Lets see....riots in Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Yemen - not forgetting Tunisia, and rumors of upcoming riots in Syria. This could get interesting.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:59 | 915504 Bringin It
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Wowa!  Here's some good news.  Rand Paul wants to cut aid to Israel!  My prayers are being answered.  Let go of the Evil Entity.  Have Americans finally come to their collective senses?

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:07 | 915517 jomama
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when all our selected officials and their bankster puppetmasters pretty much all work for direct and indirect israeli interests, there isn't a snowballs' chance in a supernova of cutting aid off.  

you're still dreaming, and no.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:08 | 915515 michigan independant
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http://www.dfa.gov.za/foreign/Multilateral/inter/nam.htm

Since its inception in 1961, the Movement has played a crucial and highly visible political role in representing the interests of developing countries, particularly in the eradication of colonialism, supporting struggles for liberation and self-determination, the pursuit of world peace and the search for a more equitable and just global order.

Wrong...

This example highlights quite a disturbing fact - Western World (EU and the US plus their allies and developed partners) gain power and wealth by violating the basic human rights and freedoms. Such a miscarriage of justice is exactly what the Non-Aligned countries stand against and the example given above was no more that a simple reflection of the organisation’s core principles in fighting for fairness and against imperialism. There are, however, thousands of examples to reveal what NA countries are fighting against - starting from the cheap laptops that we buy (the materials for many of which have been produced by using child labour - like the plastic boxes that come from China) and ending with the expensive Diamonds on 5th Avenue in New York.

http://www.nonaligned.org/

There lemmings... The issue is always between the ears.

Who is responsible for the Division of labor?

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2008/04/06/47925.html

Sun Oct 31, 2010 Egypt has for decades provided cheap bread for the poor because it enables millions to survive on low salaries and wards off political discontent. But bread lines have lengthened in recent months as costs of other non-subsidized Egyptian staples soared.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:08 | 915519 Yen Cross
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Am I the only one watching 60 minutes?

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:17 | 915534 BigDuke6
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G'day Yen,

i like rare earths but if these riots spread to the idle, underemployed saudi arabian population it will be the black gold that will be the big play.

Very big.

Look at your local producers - i increased my holding in local aussie WPL yesterday.

there is an interesting producer in louisiana called golden gate petroleum - check it out - not a big player but growing and if saudi goes up in smoke it'll be off to the races.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 02:01 | 915595 Dapper Dan
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Is it Sunday already?

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:13 | 915525 Aristarchan
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If the Mubarak situation (and many other despotic assholes in the past) is not a valid  argument for Congressional term limits in this country, I don't know what is. Yeah, I know...let a constituency pick who they want, as many times as they want...but the longer a human holds power, the more corrupt they become. Pulling in the pork to a congressional district is not, to me, a valid reason to re-elect some fucking greed-head. When it comes to humans/power, change is almost always a good thing, as time is poison.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:29 | 915554 Misean
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I blame it on air conditioning and mosquito abatement...well mostly. I think everytime they weild power they should have to shove a hot 110V 20 amp unfused copper wire up their ass.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:35 | 915564 Aristarchan
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I get where you are coming from, although my own tendency is to blame everything on the interstate highway system. Every law passed requires a mass anal electrocution of the lawmakers. Ok...hard to argue with that logic....but what ya gonna do with Barney? he might enjoy that.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:42 | 915573 Misean
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Yeah, every plan has its flaws. Hell, it might even improve the vitality of some of the more decrepit senators...though most of the undead have left the building recently.

As to the interstate, it's just an update to Lincoln's railways...so yeah, I agree with that. I'm gonna go rant at the local overpass for a few, now...

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:46 | 915579 Aristarchan
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Not saying your plan is flawed at all....could just up the voltage per Barney, at some point you are gonna get flames and flying colon parts....on second thought, you might want to contract that out.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 02:16 | 915608 Rodent Freikorps
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All you have to do is get rid of the seniority system in congress. One simple rule change and everything is possible. Committee assignments by lottery.

No Constitutional impact at all.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:17 | 915533 Long Duck Dong
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Scuse prease.  I think I come to wrong website.  I looking for new style american girlfriend who likey to shave bald.  Apparentry that site is zerohedges.com  Can some one prease tell me whaty zerohedge.com is?  Tank you very much.  

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:26 | 915548 Aristarchan
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You might be looking for www.eroticracingstripes.com, or if you are really anti-hirsute, www.baldpimpledcunt.com

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 02:20 | 915611 Rodent Freikorps
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Good to know the internet is still up for Nork dick-taters.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:24 | 915536 michigan independant
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Wheat rust is a fungal infection. Its most devastating form (Puccinia graminis) attacks the plant’s stem, forming lethal, scaly red pustules. It has plagued crops for centuries. The Romans deified it, and believed that sacrificing dogs warded it off. It was the worst wheat disease of the first half of the 20th century, killing about a fifth of America’s harvest in periodic epidemics.

Sad but economic is about the natural world. The rest is agenda...

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:20 | 915539 michigan independant
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http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2008/04/06/47925.html

Old news, same as it was...

Egypt's bread lines are largely fuelled by urban inflation, which hit 12.1 percent in the 12 months to February. Prices for dairy goods are up 20 percent, vegetables 15 percent and cooking oils 40 percent, Egypt's statistics agency said.

To help cope, Egypt last week waived import duties on rice, dairy products, edible oils and types of cement and steel. Trade Minister Rachid Mohamed Rachid told a London newspaper Egypt had to act against inflation because of the danger it posed to its liberalization program.

 

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:51 | 915582 Aristarchan
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What they should have done (if they had the money) was emulate Kuwait's social stabilization plan....give every Kuwaiti citizen thousands of dollars in cash, and pay for their food for a year. When it comes to off-the-wall attempts to buy their citizens loyalty, the Kuwaiti Government is unmatched.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 02:23 | 915612 Rodent Freikorps
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It seems to work pretty well in the Western nations.

And the emir is going to save money by avoiding the West's costly bureaucracies. Sounds like he may be smarter than us.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:31 | 915556 Arkadaba
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Yes, been looking at this stuff for years:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkmEZs_Kcms

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:45 | 915574 roymunnson
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Much better than the Bangles

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjFs9CPGhts&feature=player_embedded#

Good luck to the people of Egypt.

 

 

 

 

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:54 | 915586 Yen Cross
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Some one mentioned old Van Halen. Smokin! Now I need another Hit and Run (Def Leppard ) Sunday open. Another hit and run!

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:58 | 915589 roebernsw
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Have you read Reveille for  Radicals, by Saul Alinsky?  Basically he said,

"That once the  revolution arrives, the freedom has already dissolved."

That means that once they new folks take power, they must reproduce

the beauacracy to maintain their power and thereby, becoming the old regime,

again.  Such is life. 

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:59 | 915592 Aristarchan
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Same thing happened here in the US...the writers of the Constitution made sure the citizens of the new country could not do to them what they did to the British.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 02:29 | 915617 Misean
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I get most of my history off the back of cereal boxes, but my read was that the Constitution was an uneasy alliance between large fish protecting their rule of their small ponds. Jefferson's acquisition of the Lousianna Territory upset the balance and led to Lincoln's final solution. Paper boundries to government power are only as effective as those willing to enforce those boundries...

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 02:28 | 915605 CD
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There are plenty of interesting images coming out of Egypt:

http://twitpic.com/3u6gvc#jan25

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sarahcarr/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xWiBCIxjIk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esLp_Bymwg8

It is also always fascinating (to me, anyway) how malleable the facts on the ground are, depending on your viewpoint:

"Egyptians of all ages have taken to the streets to protest Mubarak's government. Sabri Amin, a 41-year-old musician, was amongst the demonstrators that congregated outside a television complex.

"We don't know if the army is on our side or on the police's side," Amin told Haaretz. "So many people have been killed today so we have to be careful. We have told the army that we will not budge for them either- this is not a demonstration, this is a revolution."

All around Amin, the crowds shouted "Mubarak! Mubarak! They are waiting for you in Saudi Arabia!" This was in reference to the former president of Tunisia who fled Tunisia amidst the riots that inspired the current Egyptian upheaval and found refuge in Saudi Arabia.

Rachmi Haidi, a 60-year-old Egyptian school principal told Haaretz "What is happening now is the result of Mubarak and his gang plundering the nation for 30 years. They represent the interests of the United States and Israel, not Egypt."

http://www.haaretz.com/news/international/egyptians-defy-curfew-this-is-...

Israeli Foreign Ministry Passed evening special instructions Egypt ministry officials, including representatives of the diplomatic corps. Workers received instructions and save the personal safety of their families. The Foreign Ministry is considering the situation at this time, a Ministry said Monday that "if the situation continues to escalate, we will not hesitate to evacuate diplomatic staff from Egypt."

 

Even the world watching closely the riots in Egypt. President of the United States, Barack Obama, convened the senior advisers to discuss developments in Egypt. American foreign minister, Hillary Clinton, called the Egyptian government evening to allow protests and block the networks.

She says that reform is crucial for Egypt, but the United States believes that the Egyptian government should conduct a two - Message to the people. German defense minister also expressed concern mm Bantam contagious "in the Middle East following the demonstrations in Egypt Vahamapgiah Tunisia.

 

Earlier U.S. State Department announced that the reforms published are essential for stability in Egypt. "The events in Egypt, troubling. Must respect fundamental rights and refrain from violence", said Foreign Ministry spokesman PJ Crowell

http://news.nana10.co.il/Article/?ArticleID=776451

http://twitter.com/#!/Anon_VV/status/30399052776472576

http://www.youtube.com/citizentube

 

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 02:15 | 915606 Yen Cross
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Alright time for a Individual Response. I Just get caught up in the super good input here. Egypt has been a tinderbox for many years. The slight pullback in the Equity markets is, partially Egypt bases. I Saw no massive moves in soft commodities, or even the metals. But! We all trade different margins. Anyhow. Things feel soft. Why? The XLF is soft and The baltic is a joke. Even the spike in the VIX is right around 20. The market is insanely overbought right now. Funny money infusions and all. Give it a breather. I have my levels in DOW and SPX  and NQ100 Marked. A healthy pullback is good. I can go into stochstics,RSI, and oversold moving averages. Let it pullback and add. Best wishes.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 02:31 | 915619 Rusty Shorts
Sat, 01/29/2011 - 02:52 | 915637 fedspeak
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I just want to say thanks to Zerohedge - always on the cutting edge of reporting.  I was able to watch the action erupting well before CNBC was tuning in to it on Jan 28, 2011.  In fact they were indeed broadcasting the totally irrelevant GDP numbers from 8:30 EST while I was watching the link from Zerohedge.  It was not until after the Market opened on Jan 28 did CNBC start to talk about the Egyptian problem in detail. 

Nice moves in commodities Jan 28 with an intersting move in Lean Hogs hitting contract highs and Oil blasting off due to the uncertainty of Oil flowing thru the Suez canal...  Here is a slideshow of all the Carnage..

http://chart.ly/9p3lcxj

 

 

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 03:47 | 915673 tellsometruth
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I agree, ZeroHedge always a great real time source of the ZeitGiest.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:20 | 915885 JonNadler
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my worry is that it will be shut down one day. How long will they allow ZH to expose them. I know they got the sheeple watching Dance with Stars, but anyway one day they will at least try to shut it down?

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 18:04 | 916771 Crisismode
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Hey Jon,

Will that happen before or after gold hits $200./oz.?

Mon, 01/31/2011 - 06:57 | 919643 JonNadler
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he he

i chaned my prediction to 199 actually, per pound though not ounce

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 11:23 | 917720 snowball777
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How'd that work out when they tried it with WikiLeaks? You can't shut down a single site without shutting down the entire internet...it would be the most lopsided game of whack-a-mole you've ever seen.

 

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:11 | 915877 jomama
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no no no, we WANT commodoties to continue to be manipulated to artificial lows.  as much time as they can literally buy us, the better, imho.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 03:05 | 915647 CD
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Can anyone else besides me see the 180 degree difference between the contents of this WikiLeaked cable:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/8289698/Egypt-protests-secret-US-document-discloses-support-for-protesters.html

"Most opposition parties and independent NGOs work toward achieving tangible,

 

incremental reform within the current political context, even if they

may be pessimistic about their chances of success. xxxxxxxxxxxx

wholesale rejection of such an approach places him outside this mainstream of opposition politicians and activists.

 

And the subsequent Daily Telegraph article that was crafted from it?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/8289686/Egypt-protests-Americas-secret-backing-for-rebel-leaders-behind-uprising.html

"The American government secretly backed leading figures behind the Egyptian uprising who have been planning “regime change” for the past three years, The Daily Telegraph has learned."

 

They gave the guy a plane ticket to NYC to attend an activist meeting, stoked his hopes by arranging meetings with USG officials, but upon debrief and further consideration they decided he was a fringe loon and left him to dangle in the wind... Yup, sounds about par for the course in USG involvement in popular uprisings against oppressive regimes.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 05:24 | 915691 hero HNL
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The Arab World is tired of many of its govt's that are really just puppets of the US. This Egyptian crisis can mark the beginning of the 3rd Oil Crisis if things get out of hand....just like 1974 and the Iranian hostage crisis..

 

 

hero

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 11:09 | 917708 optimator
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We made a choice in 1967.  Be on good terms with the world or support Israel in their war of Mid East conquest.  Looks like what we're seeing now "Isn't good for Israel". 

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 08:26 | 915742 Geronimo66
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Egyptian Exchange closed Sunday Jan 30 acc. to stock market source. Central Bank: all banks will be closed too @
Sat, 01/29/2011 - 09:46 | 915777 Aristarchan
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Al-Jazeera is reporting that preparations are being made by Israel to take in Mubarak...after the Saudis refused him entry.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 09:47 | 915778 ColonelCooper
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That'll really ease overall ME tension.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 09:53 | 915781 Aristarchan
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Yeah...oh well, Mubarak has been on Mossad's payroll for years....just coming in from the cold, I guess.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:40 | 915919 ColonelCooper
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Nothing like fessing up to screwing your buddy's wife.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 11:25 | 917722 snowball777
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Worked out okay for Gavin Newsome.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 10:01 | 915790 onlooker
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TYLER  good work==== thanks

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:08 | 915865 rookie
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Support the Egyptian people at US events. . .

http://www.eacusa.org/

 

 

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:11 | 915876 JonNadler
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If they shut down the Internet in the US is there a service that would bypass the censors and give one access?

 

Does anybody know?

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:22 | 915889 Salinger
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dialup to offshore server

(you should have kept a couple those AOL trial discs)

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 11:39 | 917735 snowball777
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That would depend on how they accomplish the shutdown. If it was implemented at your ISP, you could probably get access to the backbone some other way, but the corps controlling the backbone(s) are in their pocket (ATT + NSA, eg).

Other alternatives include not using their fiber at all and relying on packet radio networking but that requires a fancy radio modem, non-windows OS, and skillz.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:11 | 915878 ciscokid
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This should actually happen In the USA by the people

being raped by debt and the FED.

WE THE PEOPLE.

Enough is enough.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 14:51 | 915881 JonNadler
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How long will it be before they shut ZH down?

 

I bet they won't shut Kitco down though, he he

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 18:13 | 916783 Crisismode
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When gold price hits $200./oz.

Refresh my memory, what was your predicted date for that?

 

Mon, 01/31/2011 - 07:00 | 919645 JonNadler
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ah Cris

 

You don't seem to understand the nature of my predictions friend

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:20 | 915884 JW n FL
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Egypt Unrest: Video of police killing teen protester, riots aftermath

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzMOkrfv0uQ&NR=1

 

all 5 protestors... against a line of 30 or 40 police... and one kid still gets gunned down from 150 yards away.. live fire, you were warned. not for the kids.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:30 | 915899 Salinger
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compared to a kid on a bike in Tampa getting tazed and then run over and subsequently dying

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGh7LKgUbKs

(I wonder if that fits into GW's latest article here on ZH and the gini index)

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:49 | 915933 JW n FL
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kill a kid, then dad should have the right to kill who ever killed his child.

 

but hiding behind the badge, becuase HR let soe idiot thru the door...

 

that whole, it was an accident... well accidently run his ass over. and eye for an eye..

 

Like Timmy said, Old Testiment Justice Bitchez!!!!

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:25 | 915893 YHC-FTSE
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Egyptian army chiefs have recently returned from Washington. The police are now off the streets, and the army is in charge. How the army reacts to the protesters during the curfew tonight will tell you the truth about whether Washington supports this popular, secular uprising against a despot, or the despot himself. 

 

My thoughts and prayers are with the Egyptian people protesting against tyranny tonight. I hope this chaos does not last long.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:26 | 915894 JW n FL
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Watch the People run the fucking banker puppets out live here... http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:38 | 915916 Aristarchan
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Suleiman as VP - and possible Mubarak successor, is acceptable to Israel, since he is a known quantity. Doubt people will accept that though.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:45 | 915923 JW n FL
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VP Sillyman needs to get double tapped too.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:46 | 915926 JW n FL
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Fuck the FED!

 

Fuck Inflation!!

 

Free Egypt!!!

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:46 | 915928 downwiththebanks
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If the Rafah crossing gets stormed in either direction - from Gaza or from Egypt - this thing gets a whole lot bigger.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=355252

SINAI PENINSULA, Egypt (Ma'an) -- Palestinian sources say 12 people including Bedouins and Egyptian police officers were killed Saturday in clashes in the Sinai Peninsula, in what appeared to be an attempt by tribes in the region to take control of the swath of land south of the Egypt-Gaza border. 

Once Apartheid Israel has to act to preserve its anti-Semitic agenda of systematic ethnic cleansing, this could get a lot bigger.

Meanwhile, keep an eye on Jordan ...

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:17 | 916000 Suisse
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Gee, Israel, a country populated essentially entirely by semitic people is somehow anti-semitic?

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:23 | 916009 downwiththebanks
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The only thing that makes them semitic is your voice.  Propaganda.

First of all, Apartheid Israel is populated chiefly by PALESTINIANS!  And insofar as they are Semitic, I guess you're right.

But Apartheid Israel is run by white immigrants from Europe - Poles and Russians.  In what universe are they semitic?

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:45 | 916037 Suisse
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The majority of Israeli Jewish people are Sephardic and Mizhari, Ashkenazis comprise a minority. You could only be Jewish if your mother was, even the Ashkenazi from Europe are descendants of the Israelites. Please take a look at genetic tests performed on the Ashkenazi populations, they are middle-eastern in origin. The Palestinians are Arabs, Arabs are from the Arabian Peninsula squatting in a country that is not theirs.

 

http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts-jews.html

 

Considering Israel is one of the only countries in the Middle East that allows Muslim Women to vote in a democratic fashion, it most certainly is not an apartheid state. Good thing you must be Ethnically Jewish to immigrate to Israel, we wouldn't want idiots like the U.S. lets in or people like you getting into the country.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:50 | 916072 downwiththebanks
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Sure thing.

Apartheid Israel has been a 60 year WHITE, EUROPEAN project of imperial land theft carried out by the United Nations to prevent Arab unity for reasons that are clear to anyone with any sort of understanding of geopolitics.

All the rest is just bullshit about Invisible Men in the Clouds.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 13:07 | 916095 Suisse
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You're just another person who displays blind hatred to the Jews. Being Jewish can have nothing to do with invisible men, but an ethnic relationship.

Of course Israel is "White", Jewish people are derived from a Near-Eastern population and thus Caucasoid. Israel doesn't prevent Pan-Arabism, Israel is not an Arab state. Zionist ideas have been around for centuries and have nothing to do with the UN. 

You're just another conspiracy loony who helps discredit zerohedge. It's ashame financial sites attract fools like you.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 13:11 | 916122 downwiththebanks
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You support the genocide of Palestine, so I'm hardly hurt by your silliness.

The last 6 decades of real history reveals Apartheid Israel as a well-armed WHITE, EUROPEAN proxy - funded with Uncle Sam's welfare checks - to act as a Murder, Incorporated in the Middle East. That's it's raison d'etre.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 13:26 | 916166 Suisse
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Nonsense, I support Avigdor Liberman's plan of allowing a separate entity of Palestine governed by it's Arab majority.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 13:36 | 916178 downwiththebanks
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Too bad it's not for that fat, bloodsucking White Russian fascist to allow.  The next INTIFADA may allow Lieberman's torched ashes be scattered in his home - MOLDOVA!

I support Nasrallah's plan to annihilate Apartheid Israel's cowardly little army of remote-control baby killers.

Were he alive in the 1930s, no doubt Lieberman would have been one of the MANY Zionists who tried to collaborate with Hitler and served as his lackey.

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