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Follow London's Biggest Demonstration In A Decade As 300,000 Protest Austerity And Public Sector Cuts
After leading to the collapse of the Portuguese government, anti-austerity anger is now ramping up at the very heart of the old continent, where the biggest demonstration in over a decade has struck in London. Per the Guardian: "More than a quarter of a million protesters against public sector cuts are expected to flood central London today in the biggest political demonstration for nearly a decade. Police sources, normally cautious about estimating numbers, said last night they were braced for up to 300,000 people to join the march – far higher than previous forecasts from TUC organisers. More than 800 coaches and at least 10 trains have been chartered to bring people to the capital from as far afield as Cornwall and Inverness. The Metropolitan police, under fire for their use of kettling in previous protests, said "a small but significant minority" plan to hijack the march to stage violent attacks. Organisers, however, insist it will be a peaceful family event. Union members are expected be joined by a broad coalition, from pensioners to doctors, families and first-time protesters to football supporters and anarchists. Ed Miliband said the government was dragging the country back to the "rotten" 1980s. Labour is calling today's event the "march of the mainstream"." Some of the protesters, already pigeonholed as "anarchists", have already become unruly as a splinter group has formed on the iconic Oxford street where it is engaged in altercations with the Police, including throwing smoke bombs, lightbulbs filled ammonia.
The protest can be followed in real time on Sky News below.
The Guardian also has a live blog of the protest that can be followe here:
Some of the most recent entries:
1.44pm: Richard Evans has been talking to PA News about his 166 miles trek from Cardiff to join the march.
Evans, a PCS union rep who was interviewed by the Guardian about his protest earlier this week, said the walk was worth it although his feet were "very sore".
"I wanted to encourage people to get on a bus. I think the best way to do that is to go a step further.
"The
whole point of this is the government looks again at the cuts. I'm
hoping there is enough people here to make them realise when you're in
the position you're in - in the coalition government - you need to think
again. With this number of people, the government have to take notice. "
1.39pm: Paul Lewis has just tweeted about police penning in protesters outside Downing Street.
1.39pm: Paul Lewis has just tweeted about police penning in protesters outside Downing Street.
Reports of "light kettle" at Downing Street and rolling shop occupations at Picadilly #march26 #26march
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Paul Lewis
paul__lewis
1.31pm:
Activists from Ukuncut, the peaceful direct action group that has
closed down more than 100 high street stores accused of tax avoidance,
are moving into position on Oxford Street. They are planning 14
different occupations of high street stores accused of tax avoidance,
Matthew Taylor writes.
A spokesman just
said there were about 200 people moving towards their various targets
with more expected to join in the next half an hour.Meanwhile
the main march just gets bigger. People are still streaming across
bridges to join from south London while others are making their way from
the north.
Bernard Goyder, a veteran of last year's student protests, said he had been "blown away" by today's turnout.
"This
couldn't be any better. I have never seen such a wide diverse group of
people together. It dwarves anything I have seen before. It is much much
bigger than any of us were expecting"
1.15pm: Tom Wills, a student journalist based in Brighton, has posted a set of photos from the march on Flickr, which give a sense of the mass turnout.
1.10pm: EastLondonLines, a news website run by the journalism department of Goldsmiths, has posted this Twitpic, which shows the protesters marching past police lines near Parliament.
Paul Lewis Photograph: Sarah Lee
1.04pm: Paul Lewis has sent through an update, describing the wide range of groups who have joined today's protest.
"Standing
here watching hundreds of thousands of people stream past, you get a
real sense of the broad coalition against the government. I noted down
every banner that past through over a couple of minutes."Somerset
Teachers Association, Vulnerable Chinese Migrants Association, Society
of Radiographers, Prison Officers Association, Don't Cut Out The
Disabled, Southend On Sea Unison Branch, Ipswich Labour Party, Cut
Trident, Nurses Uncut, Met Police Group PCS Union, Calderdale Division
of the NUT, Chelsea Anti Cuts Alliance, Colchester NHS SOS, South Ribble
Children, The Bohemian Storm is Rising, Parents Alliance of Community
Schools, Isle of Wight Uncut."
1.02pm: Matthew Taylor says thousands of people are still joining the march, with the total number estimated at around 400,000.
"I
am now on a footbridge overlooking the Embankment and people have been
streaming underneath us for about an hour. People are queuing as far
back as I a can see and tens of thousands more are still arriving from
side streets. Organisers are suggesting there could be as many as
400,000 here today. That is impossible to verify at this stage. But it
is clear that this is a very big demo."
1.00pm: While this photo from Mary shows crowds gathering at Embankment.
12.58pm: This photo by Mary Hamilton pokes fun at undercover police officers - whose activities have recently been investigated by the Guardian.
Undercover police assembly point on the anti-cuts march in London. Photograph: newsmary/twitpic
12.45pm: Journalist Mary Hamilton - aka newsmary - has been posting photos of the march on Twitpic.
12.35pm: The Public and Commercial Services Union has set up its own live blog of the march.
12.30pm: Here's a map of the march route
View March for the Alternative Route in a larger map
9.15am: Good morning and welcome to the Guardian's live coverage of the mass protest in London against the coalition government's public sector cuts.
Around 300,000 people are expected to join the March for the Alternative organised by the TUC,
the biggest union-organised event for over 20 years and the largest in
the country since the protest against the Iraq war in 2003. More than
800 coaches and 10 trains have been chartered to bring people to the
capital from as far afield as Cornwall and Inverness.
Union
members are expected to be joined by a broad coalition, from pensioners
to doctors, families and first-time protesters, to football supporters
and anarchists. My colleague Matthew Taylor has written a guide to all the organisations - both official and unofficial - who will be taking part.
The
Metropolitan Police believe a small minority will try to hijack the
anti-cuts march to stage violent attacks on property and the police. The
TUC organisers of the event say they have organised a family-friendly
demonstration with brass, jazz and Bollywood bands. But there are
concerns that unofficial feeder marches, sit-down protests and a takeover of Trafalgar Square could turn from peaceful civil disobedience into stand-offs with the police.
The march assembles on the Embankment from 11am but it will still be leaving at 2pm and possibly even later. The TUC has drawn up a set of tips for those planning to join the march.
The protest will culminate in a rally in Hyde Park. Guardian reporters
Matthew Taylor and Paul Lewis will be out on the streets covering the
protest as it happens.
If you're at the demo and want to send me
any comments - or share any pictures, audio clips and videos - you can
contact me either on david.batty@guardian.co.uk or on Twitter - @David_Batty
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And back to Syria.
Activist says Syrian protesters set fire to party building in divided city of Latakiahttp://www.washingtonpost.com/world/activist-says-syrian-protesters-set-...
Oh, and two hours later we get the Syrian breaking news update. Yeah, the Syrian's tend not to take so kindly to protesters.
Either do the Bahrainians:
Hospital razed for treating protesters
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/171607.html
No, protesting in London isn't quite protesting in Syria or Bahrain where you must consider your own mortality before even thinking about discussing an uprising in whispers.
Heard in London protests earlier: "Veggie Burritos, veggie Burritos $10, tee-shirts $25..."
Let's have austerity measures for the corrupt banksters. I hope it goes violent big-time. I've been waiting for the revolution for a while now.
Fuck that, the place to be today is Putney for the annual Oxford-Cambridge boat race as well as lots of drinking and womanizing! All ZHers in London should join the party!
http://www.theboatrace.org/
Oh yes, fuck Ben Shalom, Kermit, Mr Balls to the Wall and all of CNBC (except for Rick Santelli!)
Whose ahead?...I went to that light blue place..
Think value - http://www.online-betting-guide.co.uk/oxford-cambridge-boat-race.htm
light blue favorites with the books..SO WHO WON THE RACE???
Key note speaker for the crowds will be their Patron Saint: George Soros!!!
He's always loved the £ to death! True sportsman...the kind the Brits love...puts his money were his ass is..Loud ass...louder money...does it talk!
Love yourself, your PMs, guns & bullets -
despise everyone who doesn't have your position....
Ehh, Zero nothingers...?
Eureka, go back to your bong. How are the ozarks treating you these days? I know all of you starving artists must be dying on the vine up in them hills...
Careful there Tater, some of us moved to the Ozarks with graduate degrees and own businesses. When TSHTF I would put folk here up against most on surviving.
When does Obama start bombing London?
Why is Q-daffy already there?
Rebels need air support
I thought Soros was his man on the spot.
BNP
Here's your chance, Scotland. Wales?
Ireland?
I'd feel better if Bank Bondholders and Bank CEOs shared in the austerity.
But I suspect these lads enjoy seeing their pension money being pissed away over Libya. I read each Tomahawk Millile costs over UD$1 Million.
It's all a matter of priorities, eh?
Right at the bottom of this giant pyramid scheme are private sector working class employees who actually do something productive.
Right at the top are the financial 'elite'.
Unfortunately for them, public sector workers are somewhere in the middle.
The guys at the bottom have already been squeezed about as far as they can. It's the middle section's turn now.
monkey, I agree. I have one neighbor who is a doctor and his office (of 5 doctors) laid off three of 35 employees and cut salaries by 10%. The lawyer down the street bascially didi the same. In contrast, I know of zero public employees who have taken a pay cut or been laid off.
I know of no one "at the top" in the financial kingdom who has lost a job or a bonus payment.
Stupid computer.
Login before you post.
@ tater salad -
it's true, marxists believe religion is opium...
"You cannot serve two master, God and money"
First, we have Grameen Yunus of Bangladesh who was awarded a doctorate under the liberal Fulbright Scholarship program at Vanderbilt. After being given his degree, he started a "bank" for microfiance in giving money to people who had no money in order to make money off of them.
Now before you tune out in poor folks are not sexy, I will bring in the rich folks of .............well I will let Wikipedia do the quote to lay out the indictment process:
Quote:
Bankers Ron Grzywinski and Mary Houghton of ShoreBank, a community development bank in Chicago, helped Yunus with the official incorporation of the bank under a grant from the Ford Foundation.
End Quote.
For those who do not know what ShoreBank is or forgot what this blog exclusively exposed, ShoreBank is one of the chief money dry cleaning operations which Barack Hussein Obama was utilizing for his campaigns and it was the bank which was the choice of Chicago gangsters for funding.
Oh that ShoreBank, and that 300 million dollars in Obama counterfeit terrorist funds from the Middle East which Americans got stuck with the bill for in the TARP funds which disappeared into the credit card industry as this is where that money came into America illegally.
So now to review, we have Shorebank setting up Grameen Bank, and by direction, once again Tim Geithner and Stanley Ann Dunham show up with the Ford Foundation.
If you want to add a list of crooks, this microfinance was awarded the Nobel Prize and a World Habitat award.........sounds a great deal like Obama and Carter predatory propaganda again now doesn't it in Nobel Prizes to both and habitat projects for poor folks like they are sheep for the pen.
We are speaking here of billions of dollars on loans to people who do not have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out. This is money which is welfare state enslavement literally in people are selling their souls for what they will never have.
Another Wiki quote:
The Bank today continues to expand across the nation and still provides small loans to the rural poor. By 2006, Grameen Bank branches numbered over 2,100. Its success has inspired similar projects in more than 40 countries around the world and has made World Bank to take an initiative to finance Grameen-type schemes.
The bank gets its funding from different sources, and the main contributors have shifted over time. In the initial years, donor agencies used to provide the bulk of capital at very cheap rates. In the mid-1990s, the bank started to get most of its funding from the central bank of Bangladesh. More recently, Grameen has started bond sales as a source of finance. The bonds are implicitly subsidised as they are guaranteed by the Government of Bangladesh and still they are sold above the bank rate.
This is another Ponzie Scheme as this blog warned of in which the money flowing is now backed by the World Bank, which means America is being looted in this for billions which it will not recover, but these Microfinance banks and Obama governments will seized property and soul when these poor people can not pay back the loans.
I spoke of this in Indian in Rothschilds loaning money to Indian farmers so they could purchase hybrid crops, which did not produce in India, so they had the debt and the Rothschilds grabbed up all the land cheap............and then planted that ground into crops to sell to the poor, and in other cases the land was so full of contaminates that the grains were all heavy metal laden and they ended up in other countries.
Do you suppose America was another country full of imported poison grain?
Meanwhile back at the bank, here are some people who agree with what this blog warned of was coming:
Quote:
Sudhirendar Sharma, a development analyst, claims the Bank has "landed poor communities in a perpetual debt-trap", and that its ultimate benefit goes to the corporations that sell capital goods and infrastructure to the borrowers.
Former Prime Minister of Bangladesh, Sheikh Hasina, who commented, "There is no difference between usurers [Yunus] and corrupt people."Hasina touches upon one criticism of Grameen Bank: the high rate of interest it demands from those seeking credit. Similar to all microfinance institutes, the interest charged by Grameen Bank is high compared to that of traditional banks, as Grameen's interest (reducing balance basis) on its main credit product is about 20%.
The Mises Institute's Jeffrey Tucker has criticized the Bank,[47] asserting it and others based on the Grameen model are not economically viable and depend on subsidies in order to operate, thus essentially becoming another example of welfare. They disregard Yunus' claims that he is working against subsidized economy, giving borrowers the opportunity to make business. Another source of criticism is that of the Grameen's Sixteen Decisions.
David Roodman[49] and Jonathan Morduch disagreed with a statistic once often cited by Yunus, that “5% of the Grameen borrowers get out of poverty every year.” Reanalyzing the underlying study, they obtained opposite results. But they did not interpret these to imply that lending to women made families poorer. Rather, the negative causality may go the other way: women in richer families may borrow less.
Maulana Ibrahim, a reactionary Imam in Bangladesh attacked the Grameen bank in 1993 for fostering "un-islamic ways", alleging that women were chanting slogans taking a vow not to obey their husbands and not to live in poverty anymore.
In 2008 France 24 broadcasted a documentary of their journey to Bangladesh to find out about real condition of how Grameen Bank is helping poor but found that the bank is not really helping poors but instead poor is becoming more poor if they take microcredit loan from the bank. The documentary available to watch online.
In February 2011, a documentary broadcast by the Swedish public service television channel SVT1 criticized Swedish and Norwegian support of the Grameen Bank. The investigating documentary Uppdrag granskning presented case studies where microloans from the Grameen Bank were linked to exploitation and pressures on poor families to sell their belongings leading to humiliation and ultimately suicides.
Ka Ching! Mama Obama banking by Barack jr. out of Chicago criminal money laundering is destroying Muslim families, causing people to murder themselves and yes children, all at loan shark rates of 20% interest, which is being SUBSIDIZED BY YOU THE AMERICAN DONOR.
How's that hopey changey thing treating all you Americans now that Obama has you involved in 3rd world slavery, Ponzie schemes and you now have blood on your hands in people committing suicide over Stanley Ann Dunham from beyond the grave finance.
I warned all of you, and this is the criminal indictment for Barack Hussein Obama as none of this could be going on without Obama and his benefactors.
OK, Lame Cherry broke this story, tied it all up for you Darrell Issa frauds and all of you cute Michelle Malkin types, all which will bring Obama down like a 20 stone rock.
nuff said.
agtG
http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2011/03/stanley-ann-dunham-beyond-grave.html
Has micro finance ever worked anywhere..? It's practiced in many 3rd world countries, notably in Africa. This is a terrible indictment of Grameen and his US 'sponsors'.
First they came for Fred,
and I didn't speak out because I was not Fred...
"A baboon known for raiding cars and attacking tourists in Cape Town has been captured and will be put down, South African officials say." - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12869928
Free Fred!!!
Fred's made his own bed.
I blame society.
He is a victim of the Man.
Up the revolution
The Revolution was canceled due to lack of interest.
The revolution hasn't started yet
Which island nation should citizens be more determined to get the fock out of, Japan or Great Britain?
Excellent question. I would argue GB. I would rather rebuild amongst a people who generally take care of themselves with strong traditions of self reliance, farming talents and strong family unity. Even with a reasonable loss of some % of real-estate to radiation. This vs. a GB population that is exactly the opposite where the majority have no clue how to farm, can't take care of themselves without big everything and will blame one another for all their ills as they raid each others camps attempting to survive.
Yeah, odds of evolutionary success are probably greater on radiation tainted Japan.
Come back and talk when you have lived in both.
I have not lived in either and did conclude my decision based on decades of reading and stereotypes. Can you elaborate on your position? I happen to agree with your above posts pertaining to everyone leaching off of the productive. I suspect if you're on ZH, and if you're posting quasi-intelligently that you probably are self reliant and can care for you and your own family quite well. No offense meant to you personally, but I think if you net out the behaviors of both cultures I'm not sure how someone could come to an alternate conclusion. In the US I don't believe the % of the population that is incapable of fending/taking care of themselves any much more than is in GB. Maybe it's an eastern envy of a culture that seems to value/pride work/productivity and self reliance that just seems more attractive than what our western environs have crumbled into.
No offence taken, on the topic of which country will be most likely to put your money on in the future then you would
think that the Japanese hard working nature would be enough to get them through. However before the problems of the last couple of weeks
Japan was the biggest time bomb on the planet. Demographics are not on their side, Japan has been stuck for 20 years not knowing what to do, just keep building roads, bridges or the unemployment rate will rocket, it was more important to have maximum employment building things using borrowed money from the peoples savings accounts, the game is up, external funding will start this year, the debt to GDP is north of 200%
All the hard work and politeness in the world may not be enough. Japan still does have a good manufacturing base which is keeping them going for the time being, however with China and Korea next door and Japans population being 130 million they need more than a few factories, their technological advantage has also diminished.
There is less crime in Japan, the people are nice, the government is as corrupt maybe more so than any western nation, there has been a price to pay in Japan for covering up the truth of what really happens, sometimes it felt like you were living in communist China, the people are not free, they have to do as they are told or risk the disapproval of the elders, they have to tow the line. It sometimes feels like all that matters is how the outside world sees them.
The UK has a large educated sub 25 y/o generation that are able to think on their feet,
able to innovate, you can see them on the streets of London right now standing up for their rights. They do not need to be told what to do. The UK has lots of problems
but I worry less when you talk to the young people. They are as sharp as they come.
Which country will come out on top? none of us know, however the argument is not as clear cut as it seems.
As for me, I choose to live in Spain, could be the weather or the pretty girls, not sure. Certainly not because of the vibrant economy.
As Tyler says: “The protest can be followed in real time on Sky News,” i.e. Murdoch News.
Rupert Murdoch’s enlarged News Corp – with its recent buy of the whole of satellite broadcaster BSkyB (including Sky News) - has created a media superpower with the financial muscle to gradually steamroller all rivals – a media power one step closer to State media.
Murdoch this month fused together into one British media giant “the most powerful newspaper group in the UK which controls more than one-in-three newspapers sold every day, with the biggest broadcaster “ - along with access to its vast international cash flows. It’s called monopoly.
Already possessing State message management in the U.S. (witness Fox censorship of Ron Paul messages and the misinformation of Paul’s challenge to the Fed), it makes one wonder how much Fed money Rupert receives for his “purchases.”
Fed money (taxpayer money via inflation and devaluation) is given out in secret; why would one not suspect that a favored recipient would be able to curtail Fed criticism?
According to the UK Mirror: “In the future, by the time of the next general election, his (Murdoch’s) interests in the UK will be double that of the BBC. And that is one man and one company who is deciding which political party to support…”
Corporate plutocracy = free market economy, like Caeser's legions ruled over 'civilization'. As long as you were a true 'roman', not like that scum Spartacus. He wanted freedom. Not free market slavery; where he went to highest bidder, but freedom! Now that's not cricket ...imagine having to plow one's own fields or to hire PAID workers. WOW...what is the market becoming...if THOSE guys have their word to say. Don't they realise...they're JUST COMMODITIES? on the free market! Geddaks, Entitlements to the plebes...! End of Empire!
How did that turn out for old Spartacus?
Died under Crassus's sword. But he defeated three roman armies with his slave rabble in his flight from Italy. Great film with Kirk Douglas.
I read books and stuff. History from movies leads to Oliver Stone type fantasy.
Meanwhile, Spartacus turned around and headed towards Sicily, planning to escape on pirate ships, which he had hired, not knowing that the pirates had already sailed away. At the Isthmus of Bruttium, Crassus built a wall to block Spartacus' escape. When the slaves tried to break through, the Romans fought back, killing about 12,000 of the slaves, while losing only 7 of their own.
Slaves vs. 3* Roman ArmiesWhen Spartacus learned that Crassus' troops were to be reinforced by another Roman army brought back from Spain, he decided it was time to make a break for it. He and his slaves fled north, with Crassus at their heels. Spartacus' escape route was blocked at Brundisium by a third Roman force recalled from Macedonia. There was nothing left for Spartacus to do but to try to beat Crassus' army in battle. The Spartacans were quickly surrounded and butchered, although many men escaped into the mountains. Only a thousand Romans died.
Six thousand of the fleeing slaves were captured by Pompey's troops and crucified along the Appian Way, from Capua to Rome.
Spartacus' body was not found.
http://ancienthistory.about.com/cs/slavesandslavery/a/spartacus_2.htm
oliver Stone : Platoon, WS 1 & 2, + Nixon + JFK...not bad as resumé. Alexander was not so hot.
Not bad?! As a spectacle maybe, but content wise, complete propaganda.
http://www.thedailybell.com/1398/Oliver-Stone-Central-Banking-Apologist....
+1
It's been a matter of public record that during the Blair years, the 3rd most powerful man in British government was Rupert Murdoch. I kid you not, whenever there was a government policy written, the 3rd person consulted after the PM and Chancellor was a bloody foreigner. It's infinitely worse now. We'll never hear anything real anymore.
8 corporations own all the magazines, newspapers and radio stations in the U.S. and U.K., bitchez.
8. Bitchez.
When I travel to Europe (non U.K.), I am astounded at how HORRIBLE the U.S. Media is in comparison.
The U.S. has the most incompetent, lazy, superficial, and in many instances, corrupted media compared to just about any other part of the world, and definitely moreso than any other developed part of the world.
Americans are like mushrooms; fed shit and kept in the dark.
Begging for cake is like masterbation. Overthrowing the fascist government, even if we do not know what we will put in its place, that is the answer. People are often scared of new things- new ideas, new ways of acting. The interesting thing is nothing is new; we have done everything before now. We have run every type of government imaginable. We have already tested ourselves.
We are done testing ourselves: it is time to move forward. We do this by remembering; do you remember?
Junking is masterbation.....
I've masturbated..never masterbated...or master baited either...although the latter is not without it's charms...Rupert of Foxow...come get your come-uppance...
The age post enlightenment is pretty much nothing but people wacking off to themselves in a mirror. Ask yourself, 'what has this accomplsihed?' Other than advancing the demise of culture....
A periodic resurgence of testosterone on the mirror?
In Samsara, we are all Kings and Queens! So we drive in cars; we are so fucking awesome. Clubbing; we are so fucking awesome! 'But the point of life is to have fun.' So what is fun? Games? Is hard work not fun? Is dirt not fun? See the children laugh, 'And HAHAHA!' What do they know that we forgot? I guarantee, they know something we have forgot.
And then the children grow up. Get drunk, fence in some deer and blast 'em dead. No one hunts anymore. No one participates anymore. There is no dialogue because everyone is caught in a false dialectic. 'If we spend money now, then we will all be fucking millionaires; that solves all our problems!'
NEVER BEEN TO SAMSARA...sounds like hell on earth...not quite Fukushima..but very much like where I live...
Austerity: let the working poor tighten their belts while the banksters make record profits. And people still believe "hyperinflation" is coming straight ahead?!? Austerity will ensure more debt deflation ahead!
Austerity vs. hyperinflation is a lame try at an arguement. Neither has anything to do with the other. Hyperinflation has to do with the fact that there is far more debt than wealth. Austerity is a simple term used to describe the beheading of individuals among the working class.
What will Ben do with his trillions of fiat? Hide it under his mattress? Use it as a carrot to lure the working class back to the gulag? Ha! Bernanke vs. the world! Or is he the pied piper? Haha!
Hehe. While Wall Street was taking its eye off Libya, ignoring Syria, Yemen and Bahrain..............the chickens come home to roost in broken England. Unlike in the days of The Iron Lady, the quiver is very low on arrows, the gun belt is extremely low on bullets and the collective central bank and government insanity prevails as her very policies have run their course and are coming back to haunt.
The only way these mindless fucks can take over, is by means of declaring you bankrupt. Welcome to the new normal.
12:00AM BST 12 Sep 2000 - Britain fights EU rights charter
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1355154/Britain-fights-EU-rights-charter.html
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6902986.ece
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Lord have mercy...what is Britain coming to...from the playing fields of Eton...to anarchist mayhem... Is this the England that was? Or is this the England that will be? Time for the people to ask themselves...how are we different from those who suffer...in Tahrir square..or in Bahrein?....That question WAS NEVER SUPPOSED TO BE ASKED...AS LONG AS BRITANNIA RULED THE WAVES...The very fact that we ask this question...means something has changed in the fabric of Britain...oh my, cricket will never be the same again...But who won that boat race?...Lets go back to basics...
If you missed it, the special on Fox News last night about Freeloaders is a must see. Just don't have anything handy that might get thrown at your TV as you'll be pissed.
Some of the highlights:
How GE can make $5 billion is US profits and pay no taxes.
How the rich pay less taxes than anyone else, including huge tax breaks for celebrities setting up "organic honey bee farms" and then paying little or no property taxes on their huge estates.
Also when some black farmers sued, claiming discrimination, the USDA agreed to pay $50,000 to every black person who was discriminated against.
According to the census, there were 18,000 black farmers in the country when the lawsuit was filed. But 97,000 black “farmers” have applied for the money. Our stupid govt is giving away BILLIONS to people who wouldn't know which end of a shovel goes in the ground.
It starts off with Stossel panhandling for money, so watch beyond that for the real corruption going on by the rich.
Must see TV! It will make you want to march on DC after watching.
FOX News Special re-airs today at 3pm, Sunday at 9pm & midnight ESTAdd to that the FT piece on the regulators pushing the "cash for keys" program to give deadbeats up to $21,000 to leave a house that they've already stopped making mortgage payments. I'm sure Fannie and Freddie will be footing the bill(i.e. the US taxpayer).
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9dd9a394-5672-11e0-84e9-00144feab49a.html?ftcamp=rss#axzz1Hj0wq22s
>How GE can make $5 billion is US profits and pay no taxes.
>How the rich pay less taxes than anyone else
You're complaining because they managed to avoid being victimized by robbery?
Whether it's one person mugging you on the street, or 1 million people voting to send gunmen to your house to rob you of the fruits of your labor, it's still robbery. The euphemism "taxes" makes no difference.
Whether it's one person mugging you on the street, or 1 million people voting to send gunmen to your house to rob you of the fruits of your labor, it's still robbery. The euphemism "taxes" makes no difference.
I'll drink to that! Once we take away the "sweetheart" deals from the rich, maybe we can then use their influence to create real reforms as we'll have their attention. At the very least, removing the tax breaks that only the very rich can enjoy may reduce the need for additional taxes on the rest of us.
I will gladly pay my share of taxes, but when I pay more than GE, and more property taxes than Jon Bon Jovi does on his 700 acre estate because he has some fucking honey bees on it, pisses me off.
At the risk of sounding like an Obama supporter, which I'm not, this is not about redistribution of wealth, but rather fairness to all who do pay taxes.
The Road to Wigan Pier
You take away the bottle from the baby.....and they cry....well folks there are no more bottles..get over it..
In this situation, it's just a question of when not if you'll be asked to sacrifice for the "greater good".
But I'm already working my ass off and paying through the nose, you'll say. How can I cover my expenses which are only going higher, you'll say.
Sorry, but you'll simply have to do without. You have it too god as it is. All that fancy food you eat, that car with the soft seats and fancy electronics, those vacations where you relax and drink you'll just have to do without them. It's healthy. Challenge yourself. It's invigorating. Your productivity score will rise high. For the greater good.
Glanced through the threads, and just as I guessed it's mostly the pot calling the kettle black variety. Clueless.
We all know it's going to be the Summer of discontent in Europe, so don't bother booking any holidays here. The unions announced their intent to demonstrate back in February, the police have been practising their (inciting) riot skills, and the traffic jams around Embankment/Victoria have already been murder for the past month or so because of increased police presence almost every single weekday, and they hate parking their riot vans and squad cars in a straight line.
Before judging the demonstrators, one should remember that England is not merely the country of Shakespeare, Royal weddings, and tourist traps, but the nation that spawned Cromwell, Fawkes, and Churchill (And Washington!) whose blood still run in our veins. Varied we may be, but you are deeply mistaken if you believe that those taking part want to be beholden to any government or be treated like slaves. They demonstrate because public spending should be just that: Money spent on the public. Money we actually gave to the government in the first place, and by way of social stability want back as distributed wealth. Not distributed to the fucking wealthy. So, (Most of) these demonstrators are not some throw-back communists, but reasonable men and women who are sick of waste, sick of useless wars, sick of bankers bonuses, sick of bank bailouts, and sick of being treated like surplus labour in a nation that has so much going for it, and so much still to do.
I'll probably whine like the rest when strikes start affecting my daily routine, but I have to admit that those who actually get off their arses to do something about inequity do have a point. They may be public sector workers I end up paying through my taxes, but my goodness I shouldn't forget that they are my neighbours and fellow tax payers too. Debt and high taxes are a toxic combination, but cutting the very people who contribute most to our nation is unforgivable imo. Better to cut off the banks, tax the global companies, and call their bluff if they threaten to take their business elsewhere.
+1
I am curious. When austerity measures are finally successful and the public sector workers lose all those taxpayer funded perks unavailable to most others. That they are finnnally on par with everyone else. What happens, bitterness? People who survived on lying and sucking dick on a near daily basis losing those " I worked for those benefits " benefits. The system that supported them no longer supports them and thats when things on the street will get interesting.
This is like union protests in Wisc. Who cares. Call me when the little people enmass march like Eygpt. That's when the fun starts
congrats to the protesters! While they may not know the full extent of the system's corruption, like the guy living on the street, they're smart enough to know that they are getting screwed worse than ever before!
These morons protesting about not getting enough time at the public teet are the same morons who will be cheering for that inbred good-for-nothing Prince and his bride when they cost the taxpayers millions in a few weeks.
I'll have more sympathy for the protesters when they throw out that scum royalty.
No worries peasants of the UK, Obama plans on funding the BBC to make your TV licence more affordable.
http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/
A little known fact is that the previous government created an additional 1 million "non jobs" to add to the already bloated inefficient public sector,now that the new government wants to prune some of the fat just hear the screams.The simple fact is the country can no longer afford to pay these people AND bail out the banksters,so guess which one has to go?
A million jobs created to do nothing,create nothing and produce nothing that will eventually have guaranteed state pensions,many index linked at the same time as millions have lost their final salary pension and even their job in the private sector ,there is very little sympathy for these people amounst workers in the private sector in the UK.
However,the government now employs so many people,that there is hardly a household that has not got at least one government funded job in one form or another,this is the trouble with allowing a government to create jobs like this.It is done to buy and guarantee the vote of the families involved.
Combine the government ownership/bailouts of the banks,QE to prevent house prices falling(to prevent the banks from becoming even more insolvent than they already are),total welfare dependancy by huge swathes of the population and there is little democracy left, just a revolving cycle of corrupt politicians placating the electorate with ever more unfunded benefits and jobs.Welcome to the UK.
I hate it for them they have to protest the cutbacks.....
The message is not to depend on the government for things, they can't do anything efficiently. They will bankrupt your country and control your life making promises they can't possibly keep to get elected if you ask for free stuff.
The Brits got suckered into paying those global warming taxes. Now they'll never get rid of them and they'll pay higher energy prices forever. $9 USD for a gallon of gas? -- and mostly from taxes built into the prices.
You are missing the point.
The dual prong of "Conservative" versus "Liberal" when both are lies.
Here is the cycle: Crony Capitalism disguised as free markets; then austerity after bailing out banks. The banks win both ways. The politics is used to distract the sheeple on the "right" and the "left" so the banksters and politicians can continue the plunder.
A populace that wasn't so confused by this subterfuge would have coalesced and joined together to hang the sons of bitches two years ago. Enough dead bankders and politicians = fear that would stop the rape of the average family (and nation). No fear = continued malfeasance, theft, legerdemain, sophistry, equivocation, and lies dressed in political and theoretical distractions.
I concur wholeheartedly. There is no free market in operation, no socialist model either - Just a cleptocracy pulling the strings of the puppets we called right and left while those who rely on their labour for survival get butt fucked to the grave.
It was several months ago when I read the analysis, but IIRC, one out of every four homes in Britain did not have a single person employed. Pretty amazing that they would march for more benefits.
I like the red and black flag of the anarchists.
They are smashing the windows of the banks - BRAVO!
I'd love to see all the fancy blue "CHASE" signs and windows at former WaMu branches paid for with my kids future indentured servitude smashed and torn down.
Bankster Pigs.
Am I the only one who sees a bunch of overgrown immature idiots acting like a two year old in the candy store? I understand the banks are gangsters, but that validates this type of person who demands free goods and services? One wrong does not make another wrong correct.
Actually, they've been working on society reform for sometime. Many watch TV as entertainment & never understood the true purpose. This is one example..
Onslow on Keeping up Appearances displays the typical liberal viewpoint.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDsX3ZBvths
All is good until the freebie's/entitlements are taken away.
Thank you for that video - a good laugh, and like all good laughs, it has the pain of the truth in it.
I have to agree - if you are going to do a revolution at least get bigger sticks
Exactly. A revolution is never about self, it is about collective. If someone 'deserves' a pension then fine, but what will it be paid in? Fiat? Haha!
Nah. Bring out the guillotines.
The unforseen consequences of bailing out banks and politicians...
...and some seem surprised at the violence.
If theft is accomplished over years by bleeding out every family by governments and central banks employing crony capitalism - how can peaceful protests accomplish anything?
"Peaceful protests" will result in speeches, "elections", with red herring politicians and choices on the right or the left to distract the populace for yet another election year after year, decade after decade, and nothing changes.
Supposedly a fire in London protests in the evening live - from a RT by anon_ops, so who knows.
http://yfrog.com/h7a75haj
Love how 'anarchists' are labeled as violent, when in reality anarchism is defined as nonviolence, and statism as violence. Orwellian doublespeak of the highest order.
Communo anarchists are quite violent, and give the rest of us a bad name.
Those people are little more than animals in their baseness.
They recognize the axiom that a human owns themselves, but they fail to recognize any wider right to property, and thus will smash or steal anything they want to.
Self ownership, and the extension of the self into property is all that is needed to form the basis for a functioning, free society. This is the essence of anarcho-capitalism.
I've just got back from Oxford street, i've never seen anything like it. There's so many people. Smashed windows at Hilton, numerous banks and the number of police is pretty amazing.
Bunch of thugs protesting for continued handouts. Unfortunately for them, the rules of economics cannot be repealed - only delayed. Time is up. Expect these things to go 10x from here as the real pain starts to hit.
curious, how does blantent theivery from the central banks figure into the rules of economics?
It doesn't matter who does the stealing, the result will be the same. Just because they did it and got away with it doesn't mean you should too. Rather, you should be screaming for their blood.
Christ, these people see someone get away with murder, and immediately run into the streets and start killing people. This is the metaphor that leads to the death of societies.
Any society which allows the wholesale nationalisation of failure of the elite deserves to die.
+5.5% RPI
Won't the Rothschilds cut them a cheque.?
I'll have to leave this pub sometime today. Protest?
http://rmiglobal.org/2011/03/26/all-eyes-on-african-minerals-neo-maoist-...
Harry Pint Shows Up Joe Sixpack
Go you cult of personality royal family lovin' motherfuckers...
You are embarrassing your donut eatin', potato couchin', TeeVee watchin' Amerikan cousins.
I did not think you had it in you...
"Everyone must have a house" lead to the Zero-Down, No Job, No Asset Loans that are now resulting in surburban slums across the country. My brother lives north Central Texas where these NINJA loan houses were given away. Unmowed lawns, trashed fences, garbage in the street and unemployed sitting on their doorsteps.....the NINJA Generation created by Clinton-Bush "House Handout Program."
http://seattlest.com/2008/02/12/suburbs_may_tur.php
Although this article is from The Atlantic, it applies across the nation. GL!
This silly protest is premised on the idea that "there is plenty of money out there for more public spending but it was stolen by the banksters"...
Sorry, guys. There may be "money" somewhere, but there isn't nearly as much wealth or productivity. There never WAS enough wealth out there to begin with. Sure, LOTSA "credit", though. Get used to lower living standards, quit relying on government and take charge of managing and saving your OWN money...
1,500,000 protest would scare the scalps off washington
All central banks tie their currencies to the dollar in the belief this is necessary to protect trade balances, so where the Fed’s monetary policy goes, the others have to follow. For this reason the inflationary effects of the Fed’s unprecedented levels of money creation are being transmitted into all fiat currencies.
—Alasdair Macleod
+1
100% correct. In fact, Alasdair described in one short sentence what would normally take me a couple of chapters to explain to the yanks why the fuck I hate their criminal dollar (And to a lesser extent, my criminal sterling).
The Brits should riot at the Silverstone? F1 race if they want to be seen worldwide.
Can't afford the tickets, old chap.
Perfect timing. No Premier League today.
Britain is a semi police state and has been for years. If you look at the history of Britain the elites have been scared to death of the masses since the 1917 Russian Revolution as they saw what could happen to them if they lost control. It is after the 1917 event that Britain banned gun ownership for the commoners. They have been cracking down ever since.
Good to see almost everyone in this forum "gets it". Everywhere else (so far) I've been shocked to hear supposed "liberty advocates" saying these demonstrations are a "good sign". Say what?
Some of the mid-east demonstrations do seem to be about liberty, but the demonstrations so far in the USSA and UK are all about giving "more jobs" at "higher pay" with "better pensions" to [union and] government workers! These [mostly unproductive and anti-productive] workers already get double what the private sector does. The combination of the government predators and financial sector predators and these spoiled brat predators have destroyed the western economies. Now they riot to completely wipe out every last vestige of civilization and economic viability.
I'm glad the ZH readers seem to "get it". Why doesn't anyone else, seemingly?
We do need protests and riots (and lynch mobs). But we need them advocating NO taxes and NO government services and eliminating the predators... not encouraging them on to greater atrocities.