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Following The Earlier TEPCO Reporting Flap, Here Is A Simple Way To Resolve The True Radioactivity At Reactor 2

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Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:44 | 1105629 Bullfrog
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There is no truth available anymore.  It is more precious than gold, even at $1400/oz

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 13:39 | 1105861 richard in norway
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that reminds me of the dwaves in terry prattchetts the fifth elephant

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 14:39 | 1106102 What does it al...
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I don't know what is worse, that it is only supposedly 100,000 times above the limit or that they still don't know?

The truth is that there is no known way to get rid of these waste permanently, even under pristine conditions.  So, right now, we are really at the frontier of the human understanding for Nuclear sciences.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 15:46 | 1106317 bingaling
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I was wrong

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 15:49 | 1106332 Id fight Gandhi
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As far as I can see with their revision their issue was 10 million times. This could be the difference conversion between micro and millisieverts thus the 100,000 but still putting off about 1 siviert in any case.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 16:23 | 1106428 kaiserhoff
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Early in the debate about nuclear waste, there were those who wanted to put it in rockets, and fire it into the sun.  It's not easy to argue with genius like that;)

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 16:33 | 1106453 RichardP
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Good solution, if you can be certain that the rocket won't break apart at any point within earth's gravitational pull.  Don't think I want to take that chance.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 20:55 | 1107086 Jim in MN
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Kind of like waste trains to a central repository; after a while the odds stack up against you.  Thousands of trains....

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 13:41 | 1105871 WaterWings
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They only allude to the truth: dead people don't need medical attention. 

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 13:53 | 1105904 Raincheck
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Where's trav777 with the latest "Actual" news?

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 15:58 | 1106347 trav7777
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right here...u want my autograph?

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 14:01 | 1105940 SayTabserb
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Speaking of truth, is it safe to say at this point that Operation Extension Cord pulled a male connection to a nonexistent female receptacle? Just checking in. This all seems to have gotten lost somehow in the general confusion. Judging from the photos of Reactors 1-4 (and especially 3&4), it never looked like there was anything left to connect to (or: to which to connect, now that we're conducting English usage classes here). TEPCO keeps talking about "cooling" the reactors, but you know, is it just going to be the garden hose for the next few months until the melting slag allows for a proper burial?

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 14:06 | 1105953 Savings and Loa...
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I apologize about jumping the thread, but I feel that there is something glaring here.  Am I missing something here?  Doesn't 1,000 millisieverts = 1 sievert?  If they changed the press release to go from 1 sievert to 1,000 millisieverts, are we not talking about the exact same measurement?

Forgive my ignorance, if I am wrong.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 14:17 | 1105996 Matte_Black
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1000 millis = 1

ergo: you are correct.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 14:26 | 1106040 Sudden Debt
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So you mean it's a 1000 times less bad?


Sun, 03/27/2011 - 15:20 | 1106240 Matte_Black
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I though you were joking at first. lol... then I realized how you could get that idea. The answer is no.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 15:53 | 1106342 Sudden Debt
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I was joking ;)

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 14:23 | 1106035 TruthInSunshine
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Zero Hedge does the heavy lifting that no other media/academic/professional source bothers with/cares about/is honest about....

....yet again.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 16:11 | 1106391 scatterbrains
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I think gold at 6k has a bit more truthyness to it myself.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:48 | 1105640 bob_dabolina
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Any minute now trav will be over here to take a dump and smell up the place.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:54 | 1105682 tmosley
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He'd be in agreement with the "doomsayers" if the place was run by black people.  Guaranteed.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 13:00 | 1105701 bob_dabolina
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In the other thread I think one of his postings got so many junks it got deleted.

I've never see that before.


Sun, 03/27/2011 - 14:23 | 1106031 chumbawamba
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It used to happen all the time when the expurgation threshold was much lower than it is now (I believe it was 20 junks and you're out).

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 14:58 | 1106162 Cognitive Dissonance
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I believe that back when you and I were both little infant ZHer's playing in the soon to be radioactive pools of water here on ZH that the junk threshold for a comment to be dumped and entombed in concrete was 10, then raised to 20, then 50 in rapid succession when Israel went full retard and attacked unarmed relief boats on the high seas.

Of course I reserve the right to be wrong at any time without prior notice. :>)

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 15:49 | 1106328 chumbawamba
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I don't understand why there even is a junk button since it doesn't generate page views.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 16:53 | 1106503 Cognitive Dissonance
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Tyler's experiment in anonymous credibility I suspect. A way for people to express their outrage at outrageous behaviour? Sadly it has devolved into just another method to disagree with an alternative view.

Ah, the good old days on Zero Hedge when junks were a very rare commodity and nearly everyone, including the unregistered, respected the venue.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 17:41 | 1106617 slewie the pi-rat
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trav is awesum!  i'm wondering if maybe when he got up from passing out on the floor, he junked himself 50-60 times and maybe e'd the "abuse" address, here, too, begging for mercy!

abuse [ at ] zerohedge [ dot ] org - Abuse / Infringement Issues


Sun, 03/27/2011 - 17:48 | 1106645 slewie the pi-rat
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once, in my early daze @ ZH, while hallucinating extraordinaly, i thought i made a whole page disappear!  later, when i could feel my hands, again, i re-checked, and i was right! 

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 17:42 | 1106623 Bicycle Repairman
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"Ah, the good old days on Zero Hedge when junks were a very rare commodity and nearly everyone, including the unregistered, respected the venue."

The price for going big time?  Here come the ho-dads!

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 13:10 | 1105746 reading
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Too many logical facts here for him.


Sun, 03/27/2011 - 13:54 | 1105912 Ethics Gradient
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I suspect he may have been moderated.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 14:49 | 1106139 Judge Judy Scheinlok
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Suicide is sometimes the best option.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 15:02 | 1106180 Cognitive Dissonance
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I don't think so. His ID still reads as active. I suspect he left his bat cave and went down to Lowe's to sharpen his rapier wit. Unfortunately the salesman couldn't find anything to sharpen.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 15:54 | 1106340 trav7777
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Glad to see that you were all waiting in suspense for me to show up.

I'm usually fashionably late...and because I am far cooler and more glamorous than you, the party doesn't start till I get here.

No wonder this thread had so few comments.

Fret not, my admirers, I have arrived!

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 17:02 | 1106522 Cognitive Dissonance
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We await as one who waits for the black death to arrive.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 17:45 | 1106637 Bicycle Repairman
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Yeah, whatever.  Nuclear power is dead.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 18:44 | 1106810 malikai
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Are you volunteering to turn the lights off?

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 20:31 | 1107028 Bicycle Repairman
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Just speculating on the reaction world-wide, if Tokyo gets evacuated or empties voluntarily.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 13:42 | 1105848 Threeggg
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No !  He is busy doing RADNET queries like I told him too. !

By the way, if anyone else would like to do RADNET queries (past readings history) the link is below. Pay special attention to Wichita KS on the 25th of March 2011.

Here is the one that popped out at me. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fixed Monitor Location: KS: WICHITA
Measurement Start Date/Time: 03/25/2011 08:06:52 PM
Measurement End Date/Time: 03/25/2011 09:07:00 PM
Beta Gross Count Rate (CPM): 447
Gamma Energy Range 2 Gross(CPM): 1862
Gamma Energy Range 3 Gross(CPM): 1117
Gamma Energy Range 4 Gross(CPM): 330
Gamma Energy Range 5 Gross(CPM): 177
Gamma Energy Range 6 Gross(CPM): 113
Gamma Energy Range 7 Gross(CPM): 142
Gamma Energy Range 8 Gross(CPM): 95
Gamma Energy Range 9 Gross(CPM): 33
Gamma Energy Range 10 Gross(CPM): 49


Sun, 03/27/2011 - 14:02 | 1105948 ColonelCooper
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It is time to start correlating high/low pressure and precipitation with the Beta readings.  Where I live, they have gone up noticeably on the two times it rained.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 14:17 | 1105995 seek
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The rain absorbs radioactive gasses created in the high atmosphere via cosmic rays (it's where carbon-14 comes from, for example.)

I noticed the same thing on the radiation monitors I have sitting next to me, and actually went so far as to collect rainwater and test it directly. So without knowing the energy profiles it's impossible to say with any certainty if it's from the fallout, it can be from naturally occuring isotopes.

Now, non-rain readings are a different matter. I've seen two peaks, both on Saturday over the past two weeks. Undetectable without doing mathematical analysis, but better than million-to-one odds against them happening naturally. Other folks with similar equipment on the west coast are seeing much stronger levels, though far below anything dangerous.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 14:25 | 1106037 ColonelCooper
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Thanks for the input.  Would the levels elevate to multiples of "normal" atmospheric?  I was referring to levels of beta in 3-400 CPM range.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 16:59 | 1106520 seek
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Low multiples, yes, but 300-400 CPM would likely be radioactive particulates of some type. Could be Japan or native (there are spots in here in Arizona where you can see that level from dust, though it's not common.) 300-400 CPM for a typical counter is actually pretty hot, around 2.5 uSv, or about 16X background. Unless it's a pancake-type geiger tube, in which case those counts wouldn't be too wierd (and would be close to background but you'd have background counts that are pretty high as well.)

If it's Japan fallout, though, you should be seeing an increase in background levels without rain as well, regardless of counter tube type.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 20:54 | 1107082 ColonelCooper
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Thanks again.  The highest of the numbers came from the RadNet (EPA) Site.  My own geiger readings were in line with what the EPA #'s reported, ie.. midway between the reading to the West and East of me.  The only days they have been elevated above the baseline have been when it rained. 

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 14:28 | 1106047 malikai
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I've been monitoring gamma. I've not noticed any deviations from norm here in London.

We get between 5-20uSv/h here. The highest I've seen since last Sunday has been 18uSv/h.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 14:21 | 1106023 Larry Darrell
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You mean all of the radioactive Xenon is not staying safely in the upper atmosphere until it's 5.5 day half life exhausts?  It comes down in the rain?


Sun, 03/27/2011 - 16:37 | 1106464 RichardP
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Rain doesn't come from the upper atmosphere.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 14:26 | 1106042 chumbawamba
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You know, I was playing around with the radiation monitoring map the other day and noticed readings that, from my limited study, indicated elevated levels of radiation being detected.  Not anything serious but some readings were in the hundreds.  I don't think I saw any as high as 447, though.

This is starting to get alarming.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 16:15 | 1106407 trav7777
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Any minute now trav will be over here to take a dump and smell up the place

No, bob, don't worry, I am not going to crack your or tmosely's head open

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 17:56 | 1106677 slewie the pi-rat
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trav, i can see from yer post below that even 7777 has not cracked tyler's "Sunday Koan and Conundrum" offering.  or anyone else, unless i missed a post or three.

tyler, you shitheaded asswipe, you've done it, again!  awesum, dude or dudette, whoever is publishing "behind the T.D. mask", today.

uhhh,.....please consider that that the radiation emanating FROM the water may not be the same as the radiation IN the water. 

any questions?  prob'ly not, eh? 

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