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Following The Earlier TEPCO Reporting Flap, Here Is A Simple Way To Resolve The True Radioactivity At Reactor 2
Here is a simple way to clear up the flap over the earlier "false" reporting on whether or not TEPCO screwed up by releasing the figure of 1 sievert of radiation as emanating from the water pool at Reactor 2. From the IAEA: "As previously reported, three workers at the Fukushima Daiichi
nuclear power plant were exposed on 24 March to elevated levels of
radiation. The IAEA has received additional information on the incident
from the Japanese authorities. For two of the three workers, significant skin contamination over
their legs was confirmed. The Japanese authorities have stated that
during medical examinations carried out at the National Institute of
Radiological Sciences in the Chiba Prefecture, the level of local
exposure to the workers’ legs was estimated to be between 2 and 6
sieverts. While the patients did not require medical treatment, doctors decided to
keep them in hospital and monitor their progress over coming days." All that needs to be disclosed now is how long these workers were in the contaminated water for. If it was between 2 and 6 hours, and the cumulative exposure was 2 - 6 sieverts, it would be rather consistent with the reported record exposure of 1 sievert/hour. If it was shorter, and the upper estimate is correct, the exposure could be as high as 6 sieverts/hour, a figure, based on the prior methodology, about 60 million times higher than permitted.
And another tidbit that all the naysayers may have missed: per AP, while attempting to refute the earlier emissions reading,"officials acknowledged there was radioactive water in all four of the
Fukushima Dai-ichi complex's most troubled reactors, and that airborne
radiation in Unit 2 measured 1,000 millisieverts per hour, four times
the limit deemed safe by the government." The revised reading is now only 100,000 times normal, so it is safe for everyone to get back in the pool. So let's see: the radioactivity in the water may not be 1 sievert/hour, but even per the amended release, the airborne radioactivity is 1 sievert.h-1? And this is supposed to be an improvement? Luckily, for now the winds are still blowing mostly away from the land. However, per meteorological forecasts, this will soon change. What happens when radiation in Tokyo spikes once again on Monday morning and how much longer can citizens in the capital exist based purely on the vagaries of wind direction?
Lastly, we can't wait for NISA to refute its own findings, as reported in the Japan Times:
Radiation readings Saturday surpassed 1,000 millisieverts per hour on the surface of a puddle in the basement of the turbine building in reactor No. 2, according to data released Sunday by the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency.
"The level of radiation is greater than 1,000 millisieverts. It is certain that it comes from atomic fission," NISA's Hidehiko Nishiyama told a news conference in the morning. "But we are not sure how it came from the reactor."
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can't find it , now. zH.haz.lost.again!
no disrespect to 11 y.o. zH's, either! i just figured she'd take 10 year off, automatically, if she's really a chick!
no trav, no midnight rider, no physicist et al....where is all of the "lolly pop and candy cane" crowd??
what you say now about nuclear workers with 2-6 Sv exposure??? trav's gonna say the plant has been leaking for 30 years so 2-6 Sv explosure is only a slight limit.....
Don't call Trav a physicist you condescending somabitch he is a Historian !
Man ! I'll tell you, some people !
naw...I'm a muthafuckin P I M P
I hear they purchased their radiation detector at Harbor Freight Tools, and even used a 20% off coupon!
they wrote a review:
"works well, but only reads up to 1000 mS. looking for 20 Sievert meter."
Hey there is a Groupon coupon for that.
And you know a new app that Syria is hoping to get with the iPad2: iNoFlyZone.
Ain't technology great.
recently, i was at HFreight to see if they had any more of those great little $1.69 mini bicycle pumps (they didn't) and went purely impusive for the $9.99 "OneStopGardens" 3 pc. Solar Garden Light Set (reg $13.99) @ the Sidewalk Sale. then i took down a 4-pk of rechargeable ni-cad AA's for $3.99 and took a 25-mi. r.t. bike ride to walmart for a $9.99 westinghouse "garden" solar-rechargeable 3-led floodlight, which has the lihium phosphate batt & charger. after reading the fine freaking print w/ 1 10X loop, i learned that one should not confuse these types of batts & chargers, b/c of "explosive" consequences. anyhow, the ni-cad 3-lite "system" has 3-color led's which go red, green, and blue at 4 sec. intervals, as well as an incredible little translucent hummingbird, butterfly, and dragonfly that go on, over the lights. for $24 before sales taxes, i may have arrived home tired, but i had both kindsa batts and solar mini-chargers, a heluva new flashlite, 4 extra ni-cads, and the post-modern equivalent of the lava lamp. trust me on that one!
HFreight is tres weird in many respects, but once this cyclist got the metric hex key set in chrome vanadium steel for $3.99, a coupla those $1.69 mini pumps, and a 10-patch bike tube repair kit for 99 cents, and found out how good they were, he became very forgiving of the "would you like fries with that" corporate culture. and, as the teotwawki prepperz stand 10-deep in lines, chatting quietly among themselves re inexpensive gererators, air compressors & tools, and explosives, the moronically futuristic hallucinogenic gestalt is quite soothing, considering that everyone's next cup of coffee may be 1/2 hour in the future, itself, and we have yet to face the damned cashiers.
Also like Tyler mentioned a couple of days ago.
How long can a civilization maintain itself with poisoned water?
Japan is dead.
When are they going to stop barbequeing their workers and bury this nightmare in concrete? I keep reading that they have to "cool down the cores first", but when I hear them say it takes months to cool down the fuel, that implies that these radioactive volcanoes could spew toxic shit in to the air for a long, long time.
This is beyond fucked up.
On the bright side they haven't even started testing for plutonium yet which has isotopes that have a half life of only 80 million years.
Apparently they started testing for plutonium in the soil today.
http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/03/fukushima-i-nuke-plant-tepcos-short.html
"They"? Do you mean Tepco? The Japanese government?
LOL!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnvzWrxRFd0
So sad I really don't think he is lying. Dear god help these people now before millions have to suffer.
This dude is clearly trippin on Acid...perhaps with a hit or two of the Crack...
I dont know if the video is genuine or not, but he is not on the drugs you mention.
If that is what you believe, then clearly you do not know what you are talking about.
The video has now been removed. Hmmm......
I want to know why this video has been removed. Ideas anyone?!
Perhaps on further reflection he became embarrased about his show of emotion? We men really hate frailty in ourselves, especially when we're younger.
But I do not know the reason.
All his movies are removed though?!?
"Terms of Service" violator?
1 week 1 day, first post
Yes, perhaps he could be a bit more constructive and give us some live geiger readings....
Looks legit with tears streaming down his face and all . . .
Help isn't coming, this guy needs to grow some balls, prepare for wider panic in Tokyo. If he continues spending all his time in emotional breakdown mode on youtube, he will be the first to perish in a 35 million stampede within world's largest metro area panic.
Incorrect: "All that needs to be disclosed now is how long these workers were in the contaminated water for."
Correct: "All that needs to be disclosed now is for how long these workers were in the contaminated water."
Ah the rule about never ending with a preposition...
How about:
"All that needs to be disclosed now is how long these workers were in the contaminated water for, asshole"
With Honors - good movie.
(ps. keep the corrections coming- America needz it's grammur).
TD - 1
CA - 0
incredible! just keep licking tyler's buttplug and telling him how good it tastes! anyone who really knows where grammar's at would just go with slewie here, who vows never to let a string go anal w/out him:
"All that needs to be disclosed now is how long these workers were in the contaminated water."
i know!
tyler - 1
CA - 0
slewie - minus 9.
tyler gets my + for the punch, not the grammar, 'k? no sarc intended.
i think.
edit, more than 1.5 hours after original post: tyler! you junked me for that little love-tap, above? iyam sooo flattered!
Bah, verbogeny is one of many pleasurettes afforded a creatific thinkerizer!
grammar is there to provide rules of road for understanding, consistent ones....but read both TD sentence and the "corrected" which one provides meaning in clearest manner to typical US reader?...TD's does
American English at it's finest:
"Let me axe cue a question.."
"Hey Frank, where you at?"
OMG, LOL and the ascii style heart have been entered into the Oxford English Dictionary. I guess we're on our way back to symbol based communication. That's why the iPad is so popular. Why complicate things with a keyboard when you can just mash your greasy paw at a picture?
It's time to go design my cartouche.
You can borrow my Champollion by Numbers kit if you like.
re let me "axe cue a question", this way of saying it actually comes from the West Country dialect in England, and became the common pronunciation in the slaves and foremen in the US who came to the Southern US from this region, via the Bristol slave trade. There were two different forms of the word in Middle English, axien and ascian, and the word became standardized in England as asken, but only later on.
Look, I've even made a boo boo! I used the contraction instead of possessive form, its. Damn you America! You've dumbed me!
It's:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQFmcf1Dim8
You did not make a booboo...
Your contraction of "it is" is correct.
Now take that shit back about america.
lol...
You go right ahead and base your thoughts and actions on what a "typical US reader" would do and let's see how far that gets you. I expect that you'll achieve a remarkable level of banality.
Classic.
(ps. keep the corrections coming- America needz it's grammur).
With pleasure, TD. However only the first sample comes free of charge. This ain't wikigrammar, ya know.
Lol Tyler, in this world of never ending shit-n-shinola, you sure are a beacon of light.
Lol Tyler, in this world of never ending shit-n-shinola, you sure are a beacon of light.
edit: double post but fitting since it was funny the second time I read it too.
Not true. Tyler wrote it correctly with the words he picked. You also wrote it correctly but with a change. Better writing for both of you: "All that needs to be disclosed is the length of time these workers were (touched by, immersed in, workers' feet were located in ....) the contaminated water.
Perhaps the best construction would be: "Get those guys out of that water, for the love of God! It's more radioactive than the heart of the sun!"
Winston Churchill got it right. In Commons, he once said, "This is a situation I will not put up with." After mild and derisive laughter, he said, " Very well, I shall rephrase. This is a situation, up with which, I will not put."
Gotsidank we don't have trailing verbs.
possibly the only thing worse than a joo banker is an grammar nazi bitchez.
possibly the only thing worse than a joo banker is an grammar nazi bitchez.
That's "a grammar Nazi," to you, sir.
You guys better get your zhedgebonics straight !
You are starting to look silly !! ;-)
P.S. Just took my dog out in the backyard and there are about 5 woodpeckers going at what they do best. It sounded like geiger counters going off.
pinkyswear !
You are starting to look silly !! ;-)
It beats standing on the deck and singing "Nearer My God to Thee."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sen8Tn8CBA4
Confucius say: "Man who is surrounded by assholes must be a real turd."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0amCfgnwY8
Crockett, you really nailed that guy good.
So what do you think about Fukushima?
I think it's confusing and sad.
Perhaps, Tepco uses the same model that BLS uses when revising their number. Thus utilizing a birth/death model to upgrade their radiation projections.
For Politicians, Federal Reserve members and Captains of Industry that can't do math good, there is always the model to blame......BOOYAH.
There always seems to be confusion as to which reactor was involved (1-4 shouldn't be that hard) and what level of radition was released in TEPCO news briefs.Why does TEPCO have such a problem with numbers & decimal points ? Bet they get their math right when it comes time to pay the CEO.
Wow, Finally... a post without the " Taxpayer " schtick
Fairly certain taxpayers are getting irradiated somewhere as we type.
You know, we taxpayers footed the bill for all those fifty year-old reactors and naked spent fuel ponds.
And someday they'll all come back to us. Air mail.
Fed delenda est.
Hey, could somebody please print out every post and comment from the last three months of this web site, use acid-free paper and archival-quality ink, and bury it all in a lead-lined vault? Thanks.
Fed delenda est.
So...
IF WE STOP PAYING TAXES, WE WON'T GET IRRADIATED?!!
WOW!
You figured it out Tyler! Now we can finally throw away those nasty jodium pills!!
Irony:
http://i.imgur.com/mPUn8.jpg
next real estate bubble
http://dawnwires.com/investment-news/swiss-real-estate-overdue-for-a-cor...
Every link from you is that stupid DawnWires shit, and it's never relevant, now FUCK OFF, WANKER.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXD6Gtinvbc&feature=related
RadioaktivitätI am beginning to get the impression (yes that's not fact) that all of the disinformation emanating from Japan (not just TEPCO) has a purpose.
It is not just about not wanting to "frighten the horses".
I suspect that "playas" are front running the truth, which they have and we do not.
In the meantime.
Keep everybody confused.
That is a good point. If I was a major industry player right now, i'd be liquidating my assets. Odds are there are many doing just that, perhaps even the CEO of TEPCO. I hope there will be an investigation.
When the big players get their hands into a mess, all "official" investigations are merely ceremonial.
Some of the "playas" cannot divest. GE comes mind.
I think it is a stretch at this point to think they have the truth. They possibly have more truth than they are revealing but that is only a part of an incomplete puzzle. More likely is that they have not assimilated the facts they do have into a coherent account.
There has been some confusion about the severity of radiation absorbed by a person recently....
Here is a good chart that puts the levels of different Sievert exposures into a graphical perspective:
http://xkcd.com/radiation/
Compare eating a banana with a flight trip, CT scan, Chernobyl and more.
I don't see the TSA Porno Scanners listed, what gives?
I tried looking that up. No conclusive answers; estimates are all over the place. It seems they put the full disinfo press onto those numbers.
long time, first time here. just wanted to do a test post.
How did it work out for you? Were the results as expected?
Ha! Thanks for the good hearty laugh.
i didn't receive your test post, can you repost? also try www.zerohedge.com/just4testpost
Ha ha - the usual warm ZH welcome. Show no weakness, you will be eaten alive. It's the best board on the planet though so it's worth it dammit!
I'm not keen on the details, but doesn't radiation basically shoot holes in the structure of DNA?
That's a basic way of putting it, yes. Radiation will interact with anything and everything in your body at a given rate, causing all types of (mostly minor) damage. It is when it hits the DNA that it causes real trouble. Enough damage to the DNA, and the checking sequence during reproduction won't work, which allows the now mutated DNA to reproduce itself along with nasty misfolded proteins. Most of these misfolded proteins will cause enough problems for the effected cell that they will die, but sometimes you get a stable tumor, or in rarer cases the cell is damaged in such a way that it resets itself to "stem cell" mode, and your get metastasis, and the cancer spreads until you are dead or you have been treated/cured. The higher the radiation dose, the more likely all of the above will happen. Acute radiation poisoning is caused by the first, and tumors and cancers are cause by the second and third.
too many of these and you end up with Fragile X like t-mo here
Wait I have a WAY simpler way to figure out the actual measurements. Take a Geiger counter put it near the containment area AND FUCKING READ THE NUMBER!! Then report that! I really am waiting for the world to come unglued soon. We can't trust any government anymore. It's the market versus the peasants. Ireland can't trust theirs. We can't trust ours. China,japan any government. Trust is the number one currency and we're on our last pennies. We can't print trust.
A geiger counter can't read radiation from Plutonium dude.
Do some research !
Actually, counters with mica windows (aka "alpha windows") which represents the vast majority of counters, do detect alpha particles and hence plutonium.
In fact, the very first "geiger counter" could only count alpha particles.
I don't know where this meme got started, but clearly this bogus geigers-don't-detect-plutonium line started happening in just the past few days. My guess is that it's from someone that sells alpha scintillation counters, but who knows...
this is truly fabulous, seek! jeeez! that stuff about "mica windows" (aka alpha windows) sounds like something i'd make up! i'm completely freaking punched out. not to mention out-punched! l8r!
Pu's an alpha emitter, certain counters can read it, but it's only a problem like DU if it gets in you.
Sounds like a 2nd party got a reading in and didn't make the p/r cut... Back to Normalcy Bias everyone...
OSCAR is going to be a go to source for a while on this thing: http://www.oscar.noaa.gov/
Since Gulf Shrimp now come with the mandatory side garnish of Corexit what will we see in Alaskan Salmon, a garnish of the more virulent components of the periodic table?
How hard is it to rig a geiger counter for remote reading? Did all the Japanese engineers die, or is it that Sony hasn't started an R&D project on such a product?
This is no doubt a stupid idea but what if they put in a 50/50 mix of boron and sand. Boron should help with cooling...sand turns to glass. Then entomb.
Hind sight is 20-20. In this dangerous of a disaster the managment of these contractors, TEPCO and nuclear experts need to step up to the plate and think of every possible scenario and be available for constant communication with the worker that is carrying out the tasks someone is deciding are necessary. They need to be present 24/7 on the site and actively preventing possible mishaps. Sounds like management/experts are 30 miles away outside the safety zone calling the shots over a cell phone and leaving the poor workers to fend for themselves.
Yes, makes sense, don't expect it to happen as the entire site is likely glowing in the dark.
Sending in a waves of brigades with 4500 martyrs a piece is their only remaining option - I don't expect this to happen however. So, I am simply waiting for the panic in Tokyo to begin in the weeks/months ahead.
If TEPCO keeps losing respect at the current rate, they're going to wind up like Ben S. Bernanke.
revised reading from TEPCO
100,000 times normal
A few hours later, TEPCO Vice President Sakae Muto said a new test had found radiation levels 100,000 times above normal — far better than the first results, though still very high.
But he ruled out having an independent monitor oversee the various checks despite the errors.
Officials acknowledged there was radioactive water in all four of the Fukushima Dai-ichi complex's most troubled reactors, and that airborne radiation in Unit 2 measured 1,000 millisieverts per hour, four times the limit deemed safe by the government.
Those high airborne readings — if accurate — would make it very difficult for emergency workers to get inside to pump out the water.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110327/ap_on_bi_ge/as_japan_earthquake
Goldman called and told them the right way to control damages... And that is not by manipulating the numbers and first to exaggerate the negatives and then be glad we are not all living in Africa, so the bankers can get their bonus and no body goes to jail...
At the end of the day, none of this is good.
That tells me everything I need to know, pretty much, and goes hand in hand with my views on how the Japanese Government & TEPCO are handling this and what they're saying from the inception of the crisis.
I wish the people of Japan all the best, because they're being fed total bullshit 24/7, and Donkey Kong is almost on.
1 mSv would make it virtually impossible to do anything inside the reactor buildings
Shippers Limit Calls to Japan on Radiation Concerns: NYT Link
Supports my belief that imported processed food needed for growing contamination of local food sources will continue to dwindle in Tokyo. Waiting for growing unrest in World's largest metro.
I was just watching a docu about Tjernobyl.
What struck me the most was this: When there is a meltdown THERE NEEDS BE A EVACUATION ZONE OF 500 MILES!!!
That would be the entire Japan island!
Better start moving the Japanese masterminds to Europe so we can rebuild a strong Technology industry over here :)
In WOII, America shipped all the masterminds to the US, and because the Japanese don't like the Chinese and the US already got their part during WOII, IT IS NOW EUROPE'S TURN!!
Based on the inertia of the situation so far, I can only surmise that the people of Japan are being sent to the slaughter. To paraphrase Poe, "And Darkness, and Decay, and nuclear fallout held sway over all." Much like the confusion and disinformation that was so rampant after the Gulf oil spill, the damage done will manifest itself over a length of time that will make it difficult to gauge the severity of the incident. I would further posit that this is exactly what TEPCO and the Japanese ministry want, since time allows for more fillibustering and deflection. This is, after all, the model of politics across the globe without regard to the details of a regime's other interests. As a species, we have lost our way.
Here is new measurment data from TEPCO, correcting the mistaken one ( columns 2-4, 4 being latest measurment):
There are no billions of becquerels, anymore, but:
http://saposjoint.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=2657&start=180
Last row ( total activity) has increased slightly (5%) in the last 10 hours.
Was the whole body dose 2 Sv or was it just the legs?
airborne radiation at 1Sv/hr? If they didn't screw up millis and micros, then the airborne radiation dosages would be similar to what is seen in the water...everyone'd be getting burnt and people would receive an LD50 in 3 or 4 hours.
Sorry this just seems to add to the confusion. Tepco originally said four hundred msv on the surface of the water and 100 msv in the air with the workers exposed to more than 170msv.
NISA then reported the medics estimating 2-6 sv exposure. It also repeated the four hundred msv on the water surface. I don't see any reference to the air there in their two latest reports. Nor any change in the latest TEPCO reports.
Ten million x versus 100,000 x is a factor of 100. The figure cited is 1Sv versus the original 100msv (as far as I can see unamended) If that later figure is taken we are talking 10,000 times that versus a supposed 10,000,000. Funny three zeroes are the difference between micro and milli. A mistake easily made and promulgated.
If over two hours they received 2-6Sv or 1-3 per hour which was an estimate that is well over the level reported in the water. However if they were not decontaminated until four hours after first exposure that would still be consistent with the water level the company reported. It doesn't imply an air level of 1Sv because it was the water level that predominated by direct contact.
Some of the sources journalists use appear to be other unofficial reports, which may be wrong. If an official at a press conference says different figures rightly or wrongly than the press release surely he would be questioned on that.
Reporting values in terms of multiples of normal values when those are not specified gives a possibility of error going undetected. If the normal value was 10 microSv then 100mSv would be 10,000 times.
inclined to agree...I see no way airborne radiation could be 1000 mSv/hr and actually have anyone inside reading it.
Zero Hedge may need to stick to financial reporting.....something it does best. Either that or get an expert to weigh in on this radiation thing.
I'm not an expert but have worked 25 years in nuclear power. There are different types of radiation exposure....neutron, gamma, beta and alpha. This has to do with the source and type of radioactive decay.
Beta exposure is really only skin deep because it doesn't have enough energy to go further. Still, those workers got a serious dose of beta and it burned their skin but likely did no other damage.
Alpha are heavy particles and do lots of damage but only several cells deep. Alpha decay from plutonium (in the lungs primarily) is why it is so dangerous.
Gamma is the same as x-rays and is very penetrating. This is the stuff that will prevent the workers from accessing certain areas. Until they build sufficient shielding or figure out a way to increase the distance from the source, they won't be able to get things done.
Neutrons in small doses won't hurt you much. If you walked by a chain reaction in a reactor it would kill you because the flux (number per area per time) is very high; but random neutrons bouncing around aren't too bad.
The reporting by the Japanese does not explain these different types so you can't compare.
All this said, it's very bad for these workers. To me, it is probable that the control, containment and cleanup of this disaster will be more involved and costly than Chernobyl. This is becuase Chernobyl pretty much blew itself up and so once the burning graphite was extinguished they moved towards encapuslation. It was all right there to address. These 4 reactors have melted fuel inside pressure vessels, probably some sloshing around outside the vessels and in the fuel pools. Again, you can't leave this stuff to just melt itself down but it is so radioactive (gamma) that you can't get near it. Only remote operations will work and look at the mess of steel and concrete they will have to clear to even start thinking about approaching.
No, this may not approach Chernobyl in initial release; but it likely will be extremely costly and result in much individual exposure by hundreds and hundreds of workers.
We have an RFP for a Princeton Ph.D. Expert to get to the bottom of this. after all is it not illegal to speculate within the confines of empirically proven data domains unless one has a Princeton Ph.D?
Why don't you ask KD??? he is an expert!!! Hahaha! I crack myself up!!!
ZH. Making phantasy physics phun.
http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/tsunamiupdate01.html
"These 4 reactors have melted fuel inside pressure vessels, probably some sloshing around outside the vessels and in the fuel pools."
Ahhhh - I am pretty sure you just confirmed Tyler's article ... if molten material is "sloshing around outside the vessels", then 1Sv is probably a LOW reading !!
Imported from TOD
Eric Shidler on March 27, 2011, 4:04 PM
The readings being retracted are not due to miscalculation. If you will check the tides for the last 24hrs you will see that the initial VERY HIGH reading was @ high tide. The second re-reading was taken @ low tide. This style reactor uses a single cooling loop and appears to have a leak in the turbine room. The tides coming in puts positive pressure in this loop and radiation collects. When the tide goes out it places a vaccume on the system pulling vast amounts out to sea.
Tepco will publish samples taken @ low tide from now on it seems.
Rethin on March 27, 2011 - 4:44pm
According to this website
http://tbone.biol.sc.edu/tide/tideshow.cgi
and this pdf
http://www.tepco.co.jp/cc/press/betu11_j/images/110327o.pdf
The first sample was taken at 3/26 at 8:50am which was roughly high tide.
The second sample was taken at 3/27 at 20:40 or roughly low tide.
Gee, like if TEPCO or an independent entity published continuous time series data we might actually learn something? About anything?
Cuz right now nobody knows nothin' and that includes TEPCO.
Calculated obfuscation ?
I could not load any of that material - .pdf fail.
Interesting ... but the source of contamination/emission is core(s) ... not the turbine room!
My understanding is the water samples were taken near cores (in basement), not near the turbines ...do you have info to suggest otherwise?
I think it's plausible someone could have entered the turbine hall basement to take a water sample. Enter the reactor basement? - kinda doubt it. CNN says turbine halls.
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-03-26/world/japan.nuclear.status_1_reactor-tokyo-electric-power-turbine-building?_s=PM:WORLD
OK - 0.3 Sv in another building! Nice ... like I said "calculated obfuscation" ...
I want to know the reading in near to the torus, or pump room/s near core?
Not the values in another building !
The people have been working in the pump room this week running power ... so why can they not get a reading right there?
Its pretty obvious they are withholding data.
Come on avon - you seem like a smart fellow ... are you actually buying this bullshit?
Standby. I'll see what I can find.
A new phenomena is emerging out of Fukushima – political physics
At Fukushima, radiation was mistakenly higher, so take 5 doses of potassium cyanide instead of 50 ones. The result is the same you are dead anyway!
The only problem with Tyler's method (brilliant move by the way) is that it takes more human biorobot dosimeters to get more data.....
Apparently, reactor #3 is still burning
http://english.kyodonews.jp/photos/assets/201103/0327010-thumb450x.jpg
Don't know if you all are aware of this article,
Austrian authorities release detailed data on Japan radiationhere: http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,1564,14938445,00.html?maca=en-newsletter_en_bulletin-2097-html-nl
Rice. Why haven't they tested the rice.
http://stats-japan.com/t/kiji/10665
Rice...and water. As serious as it gets.
Very moving interview of Fukushima "Fifty":
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/8408863/Japan-tsunami-Fukushima-Fifty-the-first-interview.html
Those workers, other than firefighters or SDF, are contracted by subcontractors of subcontractors of subcontractors... up to 8 subcontractors until it reaches TEPCO. They are "expendables" in nuclear power plants, have been for more than 30 years.
1000millisievert/h = 1sievert/hr = 24sievert/day =8760sievert/yr
Recommended per annum radiation exposure /yr = 50 millisieverts/yr
current level in Fukushima : 175.2k times recommended.
Average background radiation per year at sea level: 3 millisievert
Current level at Fukushim : 2.92mil x average background radiation
So what is Tepco NOT telling us?