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Following Radioactive Rain, Radiation In Tokyo Jumps 10 Fold, Hitachinaka Iodine 131 Surges To 85,000 Becquerels

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Once again, we are left scratching our heads as to just where is it that the mass media is seeing an improvement in the Japanese radiation crisis. Because reading domestic media leaves one with a completely different impression. To wit, from the Asahi: "Iodine 131 detected in Tokyo hit 12,000 becquerels, compared with the
previous day: a tenfold increase in both radioactive Iodine and Cesium." As for Hitachinaka City, which according to SPEEDI has seen a surge in radiation over the past 24 hours, things are far worse: "Hitachinaka City, Ibaraki Prefecture, saw the highest radioactive values
recorded, with 12,000 becquerels of cesium, iodine
and 85,000 becquerels."

Per Asahi (google translated):

Ministry of Education, under the influence of Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant accident, announced the results of such measurements with radioactive dust fell from the sky. Tended to increase mainly in metropolitan areas. 5300 becquerels per square meter of cesium in Shinjuku, Tokyo 137,3 detection of iodine 131 becquerels 12,000, compared with the previous day, rose about 10 times the concentration of both. The values ??that affect health, but prolonged monitoring is needed.

Measurement of radioactive fallout, we put the nation at 9:00 am on October 22 from 9 am to 21 the ministry, were analyzed.

The value of Tokyo, yesterday's Cs 560 Becquerel, Becquerel 2900 soared from iodine. Announced value of the cesium 22, 8 / 1 40,000 becquerels of radiation controlled area reference value, iodine value, amount to five quarters.

The values ??of cesium in other municipalities, the 1600 Becquerel Saitama City (790 becquerels day), Kofu, 400 becquerels (the non-detection), Utsunomiya 440 becquerels (250 becquerels same), and rose across the board.

The day before, in Hitachinaka City, Ibaraki Prefecture, the highest values ??were recorded, although down slightly, 12,000 becquerels of cesium, iodine and 85,000 becquerels, still higher values ??are recorded. Fukushima and Miyagi can not be measured.

In the east, where it snowed a lot of rain and dust and floating in the atmosphere, believed to have dropped radioactive material. The short half-life of iodine, 8 days half-life of cesium in 30 years, continue serving after getting off the ground a long period of radiation. Soil and water, because it could lead to radioactive contamination of agricultural products, should continue to monitor future.

h/t Steve


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Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:34 | 1086460 tmosley
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Nuclear energy is the most heavily regulated industry on the face of the Earth.  What kind of retard thinks the free market has ANYTHING to do with what has happened in Japan, or anywhere else?

A free market would have replaced every last one of those super-expensive light water reactors with pebble bed or breeder reactors decades ago, and we would probably be several generations beyond that by now.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:43 | 1086518 ZakuKommander
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Oh, yes, if left to its own, unfettered devices, one can be sure that the free market would have ensured that nuclear power would have reduced the world's dependence on fossil fuels to just about nil.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:47 | 1086527 Misean
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Yes, because governments do gods' work. I mean, look, they've probably created 500 new species around Fukushima already.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:33 | 1086779 10kby2k
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It seems that most of the radiation will end up in the ocean. Now that they have a mortar pumping machine rigged up with a non stop supply of sea water flooding the reactor around the clock  ..... how many million gallons of water will come in direct contact with the spent pool? 

How much contamination will this sea water gather if it constantly flows and the core stays relatively cool? I need help with that question.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 16:18 | 1087243 TheMerryPrankster
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There is a  very big unknowable variable in that equation. No one knows how much radioactive material the seawater is in contact with. Unless they test the seawater that drains back into the sea for radiation, there is simply no way to know how much radioactive material is in the sea water.


Any dissolved gases will evaporate, but any solids in solution will be breathed,swallowed and shat out by the creatures of the sea from plankton to whales.



Woo ah, mercy mercy me
Ah things ain't what they used to be, no no
Where did all the blue skies go?
Poison is the wind that blows from the north and south and east
Woo mercy, mercy me, mercy father
Ah things ain't what they used to be, no no
Oil wasted on the ocean and upon our seas, fish full of mercury
Ah oh mercy, mercy me
Ah things ain't what they used to be, no no
Radiation under ground and in the sky
Animals and birds who live nearby are dying
Oh mercy, mercy me
Ah things ain't what they used to be
What about this overcrowded land
How much more abuse from man can she stand?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 17:40 | 1087547 10kby2k
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I guess they assume because it isn't airborne, that it isn't as cirtical?  Anyone have a guess if the runoff seawater will have near the same contamination as airborne radiation? 

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 00:22 | 1088794 TheMerryPrankster
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It could have the same radioactive components plus lots of other crap, namely anything they tried first to cool things down. Probably some boron compounds, possibly lead, uranium, actinides and ashes of all sorts.


i wouldn't want to swim in it, but chances are once it is diluted and sent through the food chain a couple of dozen times, we probably will be swimming in it, one way or another.

Water can transport much heavier compounds that the atmosphere won't.

Yes it should be monitored and measured, but Tepco is I'm sure unwilling, unable and would rather not provide even more data to show how incompetent and reckless they really are.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:38 | 1086815 AnonymousAnarchist
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Actually, as Kevin Carson explains, the current incarnation of nuclear power could not have come about in free market. Now, it's possible -- even likely -- that a freed market would have come up with a safer way to utilize nuclear power (or even an alternative that would've made nuclear power obsolete) but the current state of things is due to the fact that we haven't had a free market.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 15:42 | 1087057 Broker NotBroke
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who junked you?

+1 Liberty Dollar

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 15:48 | 1087087 AnonymousAnarchist
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Probably one of the many left/right-conflationists that frequent ZH.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 15:45 | 1087076 aerojet
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I want to believe this, but I've seen the hangover from so much greed firsthand and I doubt very much that freed markets in nuclear power would get us anything except styrofoam containment vessels.  We had a free market in financial derivatives and that is going to impoverish a shit-ton of formerly middle class folks for generations.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 15:48 | 1087095 AnonymousAnarchist
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We had a free market in financial derivatives...

Is this sarcasm?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 17:38 | 1087509 Citxmech
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But would the "free market" version of nuclear power have included liability caps? 

If not, then I suspect that there would not be a single reactor anywhere - the cost to insure, whether self-insured, or private, would be far too high as the risk, albiet low, is almost unlimited in dollar terms. 

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 17:38 | 1087545 AnonymousAnarchist
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Obviously not. A market with liability caps, by definition, would not be a free market. If you would have read Carson's piece, you would see that he suspects the same thing that you suspect.

All I said was that "it's possible -- even likely -- that a freed market would have come up with a safer way to utilize nuclear power (or even an alternative that would've made nuclear power obsolete)". Obviously neither of us actually know but there are reasons to believe that there are safer ways to utilize nuclear power.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 17:42 | 1087556 tmosley
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Of course there would be nuclear power--it would just be very safe designs (pebble bed, for example), or it would be in geographically isolated areas (for breeder reactors).

Further, nuclear power companies would operate at least until they had a meltdown, at which point they would go bankrupt from the associated costs.  The only ones that would survive in the long run are those that use the safest and most efficient designs.  This is how the free market works.  It isn't magic, it's evolution.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 19:16 | 1087796 dugorama
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well, just who wants to learn from trial and error with breeder reactors?   we already lost 8% of europe's farmland to chernobyl forever.  now I assume we've lost one of the richest fisheries.  Since I'm fond of eating, I've had enough of this already.  Time out, game over.  I'd rather farm with mules than poison myself, thank you.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 19:35 | 1087849 nufio
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in a free market system, its not necessary that the ceo of a company could care much about the financial health of the company as long as he gets his bonus. in an unregulated market even without liability caps, the effect of potential tremendous risk will not necessarily result in companies being propotionately safe. Since companies are run by people who are not fully invested in their own company the lack of a liability cap might not affect the risk a manager is willing to take on behalf of the company.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 21:13 | 1088141 AnonymousAnarchist
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You seem to be conflating the current state-capitalist system (aka corporatism) with the free market. Without the state to protect decision makers (e.g.; executives) from liability, they would be responsible for any damage resulting from their decisions.

But, if my assumption about your conflationism is wrong then I'm curious. Since...

(1) you, for whatever reason, feel that, in a free market, society would not want those responsible for damages to be held liable and...

(2) the state not only doesn't stop this risky behavior (see Chernobyl, BP oil spill, etc.) but actually encourages it through subsidies and limited liability (in other words, it adds to the problem you have with a free market)...

...what are you suggesting?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:46 | 1086526 avonaltendorf
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EWI will host a conference call and webinar today at 2:00 pm - 3:00 pm EDT. The call will focus on the recent events in Japan that have heightened public concern over the safety and feasibility of using nuclear power. This concern, coupled with the data fog of information, has created an atmosphere where the lines between fact and conjecture are extremely blurred.

EWI wants to provide access to the data regarding the situation at Japan's Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant in a form that is understandable to a non-Nuclear Engineer. The conference call and webinar will give you access to experts from the nuclear industry. They will provide you with the chain of events, without sensationalism or hypotheses, regarding what has transpired in Japan over the last week and half. You will hear directly from the experts and will have an opportunity to get your questions answered.

Our panel of industry experts include:

David Blee - U.S. Nuclear Infrastructure Council

Lake Barrett - Former Deputy Director, Office of Radioactive Waste Management

Edward Davis - Former President, American Nuclear Energy Council

Dan Yurman - American Nuclear Society

Nate Ames - Director, Nuclear Fabrication Consortium, Operated by EWI

You can join the discussion in two ways:

  • Via teleconference by dialing 614.384.5247 and using pin code: 029468#
  • Via the web by using the following link: (please note, using the web link allows you to ask questions to the panel)
Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:22 | 1086713 BigJim
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Yeah, none of those guys has an agenda.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:13 | 1086665 TruthInSunshine
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Nuclear energy is the most heavily regulated industry on the face of the Earth.  What kind of retard thinks the free market has ANYTHING to do with what has happened in Japan, or anywhere else?

A free market would have replaced every last one of those super-expensive light water reactors with pebble bed or breeder reactors decades ago, and we would probably be several generations beyond that by now.


I'm all for free markets, but in the case of nuclear energy facilities, there are two highly relevant and compelling economic terms, 'externality' and 'economies of scale,' that cause me to at least think it possible that less regulation = worse.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:24 | 1086721 BigJim
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In our current climate of limited corporate liability, I'd have to agree.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 16:13 | 1087225 Broker NotBroke
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Externalities can be managed efficiently in a free market. In the current system, there's no accounting for negative externalities at all. It's a tragedy of the commons set up by our current communal ownership paradigm. A precedent needs to be set for civil claims against excessive risk taking by corporations. There is a free market solution.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:39 | 1086820 Eternal Student
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Goodness knows that deregulation worked so stunningly well for the Banking industry. By your logic, it's a good thing Glass-Steagal was scrapped.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 16:18 | 1087237 Broker NotBroke
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The banking industry was de-regulated, not unregulated. Regulatory capture is not as uncommon as you'd think. The rules are written to favor the rule makers. The revolving door between industry insiders and regulation sickens me.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 17:14 | 1087472 Eternal Student
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De-regulated and captured to the point of no enforcement. That's a pretty free market. And just goes to show, yet again, that completely free markets lead to disasters. I'm sorry, but the Libertarian myths just don't hold up, either logically or based on the evidence. God help us had the Nuclear industry been a part of this myth. There would've been far more people dead, and far worse ecological damage.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 17:18 | 1087483 Rodent Freikorps
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Laws are still enforced. Just not on the elites.

That is the path to Big Brother.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 17:34 | 1087540 Broker NotBroke
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A free market requires competition. When the major players can manipulate the market, how can you say that it's free?


The nuclear industry is one of the most regulated industries in existence. Your regulators are as self interested as the next guy. Instead of pretending we can turn back the tide of human action, why don't you accept that people act in their own, sometimes short sighted, self interests and support planning accordingly? Ignorance of this fact is responsible for far more than the damage in in Fukushima.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 21:55 | 1088270 Eternal Student
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So you're claiming that the major players aren't in competition with each other. I would disagree.

If you're claiming that regulation doesn't work, well, again the actual evidence is strongly against you. We had 70+ years of a pretty good system set up until the Free Market advocates dumped Glass-Steagal.

I also note that the poster boy of the Free Market Libertarians, you're own highly esteemed and worshiped Alan Greenspan, was shocked (shocked, I tell you!) that the Free Market failed to work.

Completely Free Markets are a great ideal. It's too bad that they have always lead to disaster (and arguably the greatest disasters) in practice.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 02:29 | 1088962 Broker NotBroke
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wait...Are we talking about the same Greenspan? The guy who ran the fed? I thought we established that the Fed is about as anti-market as you can get.


Just cause he and Ayn Rand hung out doesn't mean he's Lazziez Faire.  


*edited for coherence

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:41 | 1086501 Republi-Ken
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Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:14 | 1086669 pcrs
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Without gvt intervention you could probably not even get a nuke plant build. Munich Re ceo says everything is insurable except nuke industry. Los Alamos/manhattan prj is also a nice example of gvt coerced contribution of tax slaves to nuke industry.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:51 | 1086875 jus_lite_reading
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"Fukushima and Miyagi can not be measured."


That's because the geiger counters don't go that high! ;)

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:29 | 1086442 bob_dabolina
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I heard radioactive Iodine has been confirmed in Iceland.

I found this strange as the prevailing winds blow from West to East over Japan.

I'm not a nuclear physicist or anything but how was radioactive Iodine detected in Iceland from Fukashima but not the U.S, when the Iodine would have clearly blown over the U.S to reach Iceland?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:29 | 1086450 SilverRhino
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At a guess, it's called a coverup.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:35 | 1086469 tmosley
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My guess is a Japanese whaling fleet made port.

But seriously, Fukushima is not the only source for radioactive iodine in the world.  It could be easily explained by local sources.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:42 | 1086495 IrishSamurai
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But seriously, Fukushima is not the only source for radioactive iodine in the world.  It could be easily explained by local sources.

You and your logical reason need to move on from these tinfoil posts ... all free roaming radioactive material is now universally the by-product of the Japanese disaster.  Nevermind the sun and all the other forms of free roaming radioactive material that naturally occur in our universe ... all free ranging radioactivity discovered in the world is now exclusively sourced from Japan ...


This forum used to be great until it became overrun by the Alex Jones types ...

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:45 | 1086521 bob_dabolina
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WTF are you talking about? I am asking a logical question sourced from information obtained by Reuters

From the article:

"radioactive particles believed to have come from Japan's crippled Fukushima nuclear power plant have been detected as far away as Iceland" The article goes on to say those particles were Iodine isotopes.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:48 | 1086533 Misean
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Use a globe, not a map.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:59 | 1086579 IrishSamurai
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I was talking to tsmosley ... you weren't in the conversation ... but since you injected with more ignorance, follow misean's advice above ...

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:01 | 1086599 bob_dabolina
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I appologize for jumping to conclusions. At work/multi tasking and misinterpreted.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:04 | 1086627 IrishSamurai
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It's all good ... you're actually one commenter that I usually like to read their opinion.

In this case, not so much ... cause all the hysteria in the media (and now ZH) is usually completely unfounded or based on shoddy reasoning ...

Lots of radioactivity exists naturally on earth ... not every occurence is the result of Japan.  That is tmosley's point ... and a valid one at that.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:09 | 1086655 taraxias
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Yeah, I know what you mean, radiation readings around the globe are jumping but it's just a coincidence they are doing that now. It really could be coming from anywhere.


Get a clue FFS !!!

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:16 | 1086688 IrishSamurai
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OH NOES !!1!11!!eleventy!!!

The sky is falling ... The sky is falling !!!!!!!!1111!!!! eleventy !!!!!

Thanks for your contribution to the forum.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:40 | 1086755 Ident 7777 economy
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Yeah, I know what you mean, radiation readings around the globe are jumping but it's just a coincidence

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

You know, this would be a perfect opportunity to 'clean out that old warehouse' of radioactive anything  that might be stored, buried or otherwise archived; Japan is going to take the fall for any readings that move up-scale in any given location or country ...


Thinking out loud and somewhat conspiratorially in the above post. "Never let a crises go to waste" (Rahm) but the crises can also be used to conceal other activity ... just sayin ...


Tue, 03/22/2011 - 16:38 | 1087326 geekgrrl
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"this would be a perfect opportunity to 'clean out that old warehouse' of radioactive anything  that might be stored, buried or otherwise archived"

I had the same thought. On the other hand, the distribution in Europe ( seems more likely to reflect local sources. One need only look at the map for any day prior to the reactor explosions. When looking at each day for the last two weeks, I see that the levels dropped dramatically today, as compared to yesterday. So either there were routine releases that have ceased now that people are paying attention, or the European nuclear authorities are fudging the data to make things look better than they really are.

One thing this disaster has done is raise awareness of radiation levels around the world, and there many unasked questions that folks are beginning to ask.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 17:06 | 1087439 Ident 7777 economy
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+1 good points all

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 17:10 | 1087458 tmosley
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Wow, there's a scary thought. 

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:16 | 1086677 ColonelCooper
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Mosley's point was very valid.  You seem however, to paint with a very broad brush anyone who doesn't swallow the shit that the MSM attempts to shovel down our throats. 

I'm not panicked, nor worried about my personal safety, nor am I a follower of Alex Jones.  What I am is disgusted by the entire aftermath of this horrible disaster.  The response, the coverup, the misinformation, etc..

I would take Bob's question at the face value in which he asked it.  How did the shit get to Iceland without getting here?  Answer:  It did get here.  Nobody's talking about it.  That isn't a conspiracy, it is what it is.  Nobody in the US is glowing, but that doesn't mean it wasn't here.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:23 | 1086716 IrishSamurai
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You seem however, to paint with a very broad brush anyone who doesn't swallow the shit that the MSM attempts to shovel down our throats.

I'm as skeptical as the next guy of the MSM, but I don't have a television, so I don't dance in their shoveled shit ...

The Alex Jones point is valid.  Every other post on this "financial" forum is now about some conspiracy or cover-up now in Japan, Libya, whatever ... okay, ZH is Infowars Light ... got it.

At this point, the more junks you get when you post, the more rational and intellectual your post is ... cause this community has become overrun by wingnuts from the left and the right who see a boogeyman everywhere they look ... and eventually when 1 of 1000 turns out to be true, they feel vindicated in their ignorance ...

How did the shit get to Iceland without getting here?  Answer:  It did get here.

tmosley also identified that in his post ... it wasn't through the jetstream.  Use your fucking brain when reasoning on this stuff ... radioactive fallout/material is still MATTER and it will attach and move with mobile objects (people, boats, planes, etc) ... which is how most of the stuff will get transported throughout the world ...


Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:29 | 1086749 Cognitive Dissonance
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Because junking your post just didn't seem enough. Crawl back under the rock you came out of. We won't mind since you are rarely here anyway.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:47 | 1086829 IrishSamurai
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Thanks for your ZH-certified opinion ... when you can argue the point on the merits, I'll pay attention to your opinion ...

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 15:06 | 1086939 tj3
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by IrishSamurai
on Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:16


OH NOES !!1!11!!eleventy!!!

The sky is falling ... The sky is falling !!!!!!!!1111!!!! eleventy !!!!!

Thanks for your contribution to the forum.


by IrishSamurai
on Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:47

Thanks for your ZH-certified opinion ... when you can argue the point on the merits, I'll pay attention to your opinion ...



so, hows that workin for ya?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 15:10 | 1086947 IrishSamurai
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Huh?  Non-sequitur FTW?

Ar! Ar! Ar! Ar! ... unlike some folks here, I don't eat the fish out of CD's assholic posts ...

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 15:28 | 1087019 Cognitive Dissonance
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Sounds like you need a hug. Go ahead. It's your turn to cry.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 16:01 | 1087134 IrishSamurai
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So I don't get your standard offer?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:53 | 1086887 woolly mammoth
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Good timing and well said CD.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:55 | 1086894 IrishSamurai
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Ar! Ar! Ar! ... another barking seal approves ... Ar! Ar! Ar! ...



Tue, 03/22/2011 - 16:49 | 1087372 tmosley
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I don't understand why you are treating Irish like this.

If you are going to talk about radioactive iodine on the other side of the planet from Japan, you need to have a baseline number.  There WILL be some there already, even if it is the 20th decay generation from Chernobyl, or something that came out of the last volcanic eruption.

Further, travel by jetstream is not the only propogation mechanism for this material.  It could have come over the pole, as another poster suggested, or it could have been brought by airplane or boat.  These are logical sources of this material.  Testing the ports and seaports in addition to the generalized area would put that possibility to rest quickly.

But hey, fuck that, let's just jump straight to the worst possible scenario and accept that as fact and piss on anyone who offers alternative theories.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:31 | 1086768 Ident 7777 economy
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Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:31 | 1086772 ColonelCooper
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"Use your fucking brain"

Good enough.  My fucking brain tells me that when the radiation gradually climbs to six times normal atmospheric levels in western South Dakota, and northwestern Nebraska, it must be coming from the nearby International Airport and the Nebraska Canal. 

When said GOVERNMENT monitors directly west of me read 320 CPM of beta, and directly east of me read 80 CPM, and my own geiger is reading 55 CPM, (double the normal background it had been reading), my fucking brain says, hey look the numbers are up, and then I go back to eating my Cheerios. 

No Alex Jones there, just some number that were higher than they should be, and now they aren't.  And my fucking brain will accept that info over what MSM or you have to tell me.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:44 | 1086837 IrishSamurai
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Your fucking brain should tell you that radioactive matter travels in more than just the jetstream ... that was my point.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 17:09 | 1087447 ColonelCooper
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I never disputed the point, IN FACT I agreed with Mosley's post.  YOU were the fucktard that implied I was too stupid to consider said point, and that radiation over the midwest most likely fell off a Japanese freighter.... onto Nebraska, and that I must have learned differently from Alex Jones rather than on a Government website.

See, I'm actually such a conspiracy theorist that I think the government was posting false HIGH readings while downplaying the risk.


Tue, 03/22/2011 - 18:50 | 1087709 IrishSamurai
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I'm just onery and taking on all takers ... you're actually reasoned and for that I apologize for making you think I was calling you dumb ... queue Major Payne and the potty ... [scene] ...

But radioactive MATTER did not get to Nebraska from Japan ... unless it was carried on a person.  It didn't fall out of the jetstream ... if you believe that, I take back my apology ...

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 19:40 | 1087869 ColonelCooper
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Here's the deal:  Around two days afer the EPA said that the initial traces of fallout had reached the west coast, (first elevated readings were around Bakersfield and Fresno) a line of EPA monitors spanning SD, NE, KS and CO all picked up elevated levels of beta, as did the counter in my house.  I don't know how a person could have tracked the shit across hundreds of miles.  These elevated readings were concurrent with a storm, and we had a lot of rain.  When the rain cleared up, the levels subsided.  To the best of my understanding, the most likely candidate for "fallout" at any distance is iodine, which emits beta, and is more subject to winds and weather.  For all I know, the Midwest was visited by Mercury in a winged chariot looking for Larunda.  I don't know how it got here, it really is irrelevant in the scope of things, but it was here.  Nobody that I've talked to has any explanation other than fallout.  (See Mosley's reponse to my post below) 

I make no claims, only observations.  I am not a geologist, meteorologist, physicist or chemist.  I am a skeptic by nature, but am a far cry from looking over my shoulder trying to see helicopters.  I also don't put a lot of stock in coincidence.  Where I live, half the population has never traveled farther than the next county or two, let alone Japan.  Our local airport barely handles commuter planes, and the closest navigable waterway for anything over 16' long is three hours east.  At the very least, I find this interesting.

I'm not emphatically stating it came from fallout, but unless someone can offer me a more reasonable alternative, (one that doesn't involve someone with dusty shoes tracking across five midwestern states) I'm not ruling it out either.  I never felt you owed me an apology, rather we were almost arguing different points. 

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 19:40 | 1087871 ColonelCooper
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Also, I take back the fucktard thing.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:03 | 1086611 ColonelCooper
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People who have been monitoring the EPA site (myself included) have followed increased levels of Beta Radiation across the Midwest, where they have seemed to either disperse or stop falling out????? (not sure where it went)

These were our own .gov numbers, apparently only observed by my fellow moonbats.  I spoke about it quite a bit yesterday morning.  I suspect that EPA officials were too busy watching porn with the SEC to report this to the MSM, who seems more intent upon convincing me to eat Japanese spinach than reporting actual news.

For anyone who wants to visit the site, they are no longer requiring an invasive identification process overseen by TSA:

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:34 | 1086785 Ident 7777 economy
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Thx Coop.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 16:52 | 1087389 tmosley
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Check the weather.  If the fallout cloud ran into a storm system, it will now be on the ground rather than in the air.  Alternatively, it might have hit a high pressure system and blown over the top of it.  These things happen.

Of course, if there are neither storms not high pressure systems, then something is probably up.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 17:12 | 1087463 ColonelCooper
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I think that's what happened, as we were getting heavy rains when the readings were up.  The rain moved on, the readings dropped back to normal.

For all I know, the signal that the extraterrestrials beam into my head are radioactive, and the unusually heavy signals I've been getting lately were the cause.


Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:49 | 1086537 falak pema
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your guinness consumption increases by the minute. How many becquerels/litres have you ingurgitated?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:57 | 1086565 IrishSamurai
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Your hard-on for my posts not withstanding ... if you'd go work it out on your own, you could get about your daily business without all the staring in public ...



Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:02 | 1086614 falak pema
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You've already given me a sample of your guinness burp on Norway/France oil link which I have updated elsewhere for your ignorant eyes.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 15:00 | 1086902 disabledvet
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actually i like where you're going with this.  in other words "let's explain our nuclear disaster that is not being reported on Japan."  We can fudge the paperwork like we always do.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 17:32 | 1087529 max2205
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Maybe now they will import our beef

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:49 | 1086536 usefuloutput
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It could have flown over the north pole.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:41 | 1086819 eftian
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Iceland is messing with that very dangerous Geothermal power.

Iodine prolly came frome that...

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:59 | 1086904 jus_lite_reading
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I think we can truth the Norwegians more than the Japanese officials! Say hello to radioactive lungs....

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:51 | 1086445 Theta_Burn
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Word of the day =  becquerels.


Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:06 | 1086638 StychoKiller
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PeeWee Herman:  "You know what to do if someone says the secret word, boyz and girlz?  Scream real loud!"

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 19:14 | 1087786 buzzsaw99
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lots of new words with each new disaster

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:29 | 1086448 CD
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Now that the power lines are hooked up to all 6 reactors, the cooling systems will be started... sometime within the next few days... or weeks... if nothing else is broken...

"Tokyo Electric Power Co. warned that workers still need to check all equipment for damage first before switching the cooling system on to all the reactor units — a process that could take days or even weeks."

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:42 | 1086509 TruthInSunshine
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Yes, what they did is akin to hooking up tree stumps to electricity.

Look at the buildings that formerly housed the spent fuel and core rods, and tell me if even the least damaged of them has anything resembling cooling infrastructure remaining.

And then, there's No. 3, which is where the plutonium laced mox fuel resides, and was blown to shit.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:54 | 1086552 Oh regional Indian
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Hooking up tree stumps to good an analogy as I have ever seen.

Reality is that we are just supposed to:

Shut the FUKU up and eat the Spin-ache.

All is well. 

Till it isn't.


Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:58 | 1086573 CD
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What, now you're questioning the wisdom of extend & pretend? You think hopium may not solve this cris... err... situation? What kind of foul-minded, anti-Japanese attitude is that?!  Appearances, I mean, a positive outlook MUST be maintained at all times, at all costs... ;-]

I just wish fewer people had to suffer/die to serve said facade.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:11 | 1086663 Cognitive Dissonance
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I think I've finally figured it out. The people on ZH who rejected the MSM version of world events, of which I count myself as one, were denied the breast feeding nipple as children and we were beaten to boot in order to make the psychological connection that sweet tasting media in any quantity is bad for us.

So now whenever the propaganda nipple, government, corporate or political, is forcibly pressed to our faces not only do we instinctively spit it out, but we bite down hard to make sure it doesn't return any time soon. This also explains are predisposition to projectile vomit up sickeningly sweet Kool-Aid.

All those MSM teat suckers can have their fill. I'm quite content sucking on lemons over here.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:13 | 1086672 TruthInSunshine
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I am a big nipple chomper.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:30 | 1086769 BigJim
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Hmmm. Maybe ZHers are the ones who actually got our quotient of warm comfy nipple feeding while in childhood, so we're no longer looking for a substitute now we're adults.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:39 | 1086811 Cognitive Dissonance
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Either way we ain't taking the bit any longer. Personally I liked the response by "TruthInSunshine".

I am a big nipple chomper.

It says everything that needs to be said right there, don't you agree?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 21:13 | 1088143 WaterWings
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ZH lemonade is so fresh I wanna slap my mamma!

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:26 | 1086734 dearth vader
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As soon as the fuel issue has been solved, they'll start to fill up the tanks of all the wrecked cars with a mixture of gas and 10% Hopium 137.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:26 | 1086718 Cognitive Dissonance
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"Tokyo Electric Power Co. warned that workers still need to check all equipment for damage first before switching the cooling system on to all the reactor units — a process that could take days or even weeks."

Yeah, um....boys, I think I found some damage over here. Nothing big mind you, just some dents and dings. But you might want to bring your hand tools with you when you turn your attention to these. Just a thought, not trying to be negative or anything. Thanks.


Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:28 | 1086747 TruthInSunshine
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Dude, relax, they just re-connected the electricity to that...


...ginormous hole surrounded jagged metal..

...or that pile of fried iron.

It's all good. No worry-san.


Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:32 | 1086782 BigJim
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Don't worry. Underneath it all is a perfectly fine, good-to-go GE reactor.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:54 | 1086891 Cognitive Dissonance
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Yup, just surface damage.

Underneath that ugly blackened exterior I promise you that you're banana is nice and ripe and all ready to be eaten. No bruises....I promise.

See, I promised. What's the problem?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 15:30 | 1087021 Fearless Rick
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"Tis but a scratch."

"A flesh wound."

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 15:06 | 1086935 disabledvet
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still under warranty from what i hear, too.  just "send it back via the post office" and they'll "send ya' back a nuker good as new."

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 15:30 | 1087025 Fearless Rick
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If it fits, it ships. For a low price. Flat rate boxes from the US Postal Service.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 15:00 | 1086910 Cdad
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Exactly brother Truth,

Again, I think brother CD's dissonance is coging him all up. 

Bullish...all that rebuilding.  I can just imagine the contractors lining up to fix those scratched and dented reactors. 

Our troubles are over.  Just relax everyone.  Just don't drink the water or eat the food...or take really deep breaths.  Just chill, dudes. 

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 15:30 | 1087023 TruthInSunshine
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General Electric & TEPCO.

They bring good things to living. They bring good things to life.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:34 | 1086792 dearth vader
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Not to sound contrarian, but looks quite operable to me from a NWO viewpoint.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:47 | 1086856 Thorlyx
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might even be bullish.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:40 | 1086818 10kby2k
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Look at pics from Chernobyl of  the physical damage....they are very similar.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 15:33 | 1086861 Cognitive Dissonance
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Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:46 | 1086841 Ident 7777 economy
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Only one question:


"What kind of shape is the GE Mark I containment lower drywell area in?"


That, and cabling and piping directly to/from the reactor.


Everything else is 'secondary support' like the fuel ops area on the top floor.


Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:59 | 1086901 Jim in MN
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+1 roger that.  Pray they all hold.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 15:02 | 1086918 jus_lite_reading
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Last march when a noreaster came in with 100 mph winds and blew my neighbors roof off, I gave him an extension cord from my generator. Everything was great. He plugged the power into his bathtub and took a nice long bath. All his problems were solved. Same in Japan.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 15:07 | 1086936 woolly mammoth
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Just a little duct tape, then "good to go".

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 15:11 | 1086953 tj3
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Just make sure you use the correct Military spec-ed duct tape. Then, good to go, hai!

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:30 | 1086449 Doode
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I like how they change radiation reporting units - silverts, 1000 millisilvers, 85000 microliverts, now it is becquerels. Used to be in roentgens. Is there a reason for the constant changes? Trying to confuse people?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:37 | 1086466 AN0NYM0US
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this will help


85000 becquerel = 0.002297297 millicurie

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:43 | 1086519 redpill
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It's also the equivalent of .3345 Madeupunits.  Don't worry, not unhealthful they say.


Just don't drink the water.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:13 | 1086662 Logans_Run
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or breath the air

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:49 | 1086540's picture

How much is that in pints?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:36 | 1086478 Boop
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The becquerel is a measure of radioactive decay - an absolute measure of radioactivity.  It is the SI unit analogous to the Curie.

Roentgens / Sieverts are measures of damage ("Biological effects") caused by the radiation in tissues.


Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:39 | 1086481 SilverRhino
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I-131 - 85,000 Becquerels = .04 mSv/hr at a distance of 1cm from the source.

One reason for the change.  

Becquerels are pure radiation rates (decay) from a source of radioactivity.  You cant convert Bec into Sieverts immediately.  You have to run some calculations based on isotope and distance. 

Here's a link to help.  Yes you too can self-educate with Google (thank God) ;-) 

PS: When they start talking MegaBecquerels, THAT's when you start worrying.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:08 | 1086650 ColonelCooper
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It also seems apparent that the unit used is directly proportional to the amount of fuel needed to fire mainstream overreaction.

Want panic in the street?  Lets call it a quadrillion picosieverts.  What's that? People are finally learning the function of the decimal point?  Okay, start using becquerels.  It'll take em a week to figure that shit out.

Want to calm the panicked masses?  Let's call it .0000000000007 Sieverts.  See? That spinach is safe. 

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:40 | 1086494 Doode
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Thank you for all the informative replies. So what is considered to be really bad in any of those units?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:59 | 1086564 falak pema
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Having a non protected erection is very dangerous, as both becquerels and milli sieverts adore scavenging off it. Let alone iodine and cesium bugs who pull the rugs under your butt as you say tut tut to the sieverts 

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:38 | 1086816 slewie the pi-rat
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49er coach seivert won a Stupor Bowl with Steve Young---one for the thumb.  then, he retired to carolina and got paid for fishing. 

the positive correlation between radiation and high horniness is undeniable!  we can only hope the women start responding sooner than later.  does it take a man to point out that it's later than they think?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:19 | 1086692 Jim in MN
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The reported level of I-131 would give you a millisievert dose in 25 days of close exposure.  That's the annual limit for a non-nuclear worker in some countries (I forget what it is in Japan). 

Really bad would be more like a tenth of a sievert.  Not there yet.  That'd take for instance 2500 days at current levels, or 250 days at 850,000 becquerels.  One sievert is potentially fatal, five pretty much done.

Of course there are other radionucliedes in the mix besides iodine.  They need to start reporting total exposure in terms people can understand.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:25 | 1086736 Doode
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Thanks, sounds like Nikkei remains the most accurate interpreter of all that data. It is up because all of these huge numbers are actually not all that bad.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 15:07 | 1086946 davepowers
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thanks, finally a comparison I can sort of understand

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 15:10 | 1086956 disabledvet
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So he really was a good coach during the '49 days then.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 15:40 | 1087053 Jim in MN
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Let's just say he was rad....

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:29 | 1086451 Rogerwilco
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Becquerel, isn't he that alky Democrat talking head?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:30 | 1086452 King Dong
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When their hair starts failing out the corp media will only cover it in the Style section

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:37 | 1086454 asdasmos
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Thanks for all the updates, even though people might say this is not yet harmful, it does not take into account concentrations in many areas. I would stay clear of any of possible affected areas because even though there is one or two readings, it is only for that one spot. There could be large concentrations through wind/rain/snow which covers an area not covered by any of the measures. So large pockets of high radiation could go unnoticed for quite some time.....

So at the first sign of radiation I would be bailing (if I lived in Japan).....


More on this: Chernobyl Nuclear Plant Accident How it effected Europe and the world

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:31 | 1086455 max2205
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MSM is not allowed to disturb the people's buzzz.   in 10 years every Jap will have god knows what terrible medical problem and the Govt will deny deny deny

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:41 | 1086497 the grateful un...
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is that a Fox byline " every Jap (J in caps, term Jap is a perjorative) will have [god (g in lower case) knows] what terrible medical problem(s). ??


Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:33 | 1086459 AN0NYM0US
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just heard on local news station

"the lights are back on in the control room at Reactor #3 in Japan"  as in everything is looking up crisis over

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:48 | 1086531 TruthInSunshine
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They stuck absestos coveralls over one of those homeless people they've reportedly been using, and told them to go up into the remains of the structure and hold a flashlight.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:08 | 1086645 DeweyLeon
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"the lights are back on in the control room at Reactor #3 in Japan"


You mean, the lights are back on in the twisted pile of metal that was reactor #3.  WTF! what could possibly be working inside that pile of ironmongery?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:48 | 1086854 dearth vader
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The control room may not be part of the wrecked reactor building. 

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:52 | 1086870 Ident 7777 economy
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You mean, the lights are back on in the twisted pile of metal that was reactor #3.

- - - - - - - - - -

Ahhh ... noooooooooooooooooooo ... the control room is a separate building ...

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:53 | 1086874 Thorlyx
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Air-conditionning and coffee maker are also working.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 15:14 | 1086970 disabledvet
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and so is that box of donuts they left behind.  ooooommmm,!

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:34 | 1086465 DoChenRollingBearing
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Perhaps some MD or nuclear expert could provide us danger of radiation levels (over time) of these different isotopes as a public service to ZH.


Tue, 03/22/2011 - 19:36 | 1087851 buzzsaw99
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Stay more than two inches away from reactor #3 and everything is fine.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:00 | 1086578 Quinvarius
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Wow.  How do you argue with someone who says people that get xrayed for chest cancer die of chest cancer less often due to xray exposure?  LOL.  Someone that stupid will never accept any facts.  They aren't looking for truth.  They should be ignored.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:37 | 1086473 Id fight Gandhi
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One xray or two a year is safe. But 10 a day isn't safe.

The amount, time and how it's taken into the body's organs will play a big part of how sick people get.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:38 | 1086489 TruthInSunshine
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No one is going to tell me that 3,650 x-rays per year is unsafe, damnit!

(And that's the reported value now? What will it be in a week, when Tepco & the Japanese Government give further reassurances?)

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:12 | 1086660 mick_richfield
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The cool thing is that, with that many x-rays, you could make a movie.


Fed delenda est.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 15:07 | 1086942 hedgeless_horseman
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Useful Fact: 

Radiation, like all carcinogens, is cumulative and additive. 

Cumulative in that the carcinogenic effect builds over a lifetime. 

Additive in that different carcinogens can work together to increase one's risk of cancer. 

Here is a classic book on the subject.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:46 | 1086525 the grateful un...
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i have been jumping up and down screaming that they should treat this the same way they treat air quality standards, which addresses long term health concerns as well as immediate danger. From their perspective these events are not recycling, however the radiation which drops on the ground recycles, in our food and water. I guess the point is that there is no way to avoid exposure, it's a bad air quality day no matter where you are when this stuff gets into the environment.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:38 | 1086479 Contra_Man
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Click on the map to animate the jet stream air flow from Japan (up into the North) - and also into Northern China etc...

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:36 | 1086480 fuu
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My God. Can we get a breakdown of all these units relationship to each other? How many becquerel's per seivert or vice-versa?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:42 | 1086502 SilverRhino
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See my post (and link) upthread.  It's not quite so simple as that.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!