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Food Riots Commence As The Fed's Loose Money Policy Leads To First Violence Of 2011
We were only partially serious when we predicted that following the just released FAO data confirming food prices have just hit an all time high, we were expecting food riots to ensue imminently. Alas, as all too often happens these days, we were right. 2011 first and certainly not last rioting comes out of Algeria, where Bernanke's genocidal policies are first to take root. From the Associated Press: "Riots over rising food prices and chronic unemployment spiraled out
from Algeria's capital on Thursday, with youths torching government
buildings and shouting "Bring us Sugar!" Police helicopters circled over Algiers, and stores
closed early. Security officers blocked off streets in the tense
working-class neighborhood of Bab el-Oued, near the capital's ancient
Casbah, and areas outside the city were swept up in the rampages. The U.S. Embassy issued a warning to Americans in Algeria to "remain vigilant" and avoid crowds. Riots on Wednesday night in the neighborhood saw a police station, a Renault car dealership and other buildings set ablaze. Police with tear gas fired back at stone-throwing youths through the night." Algeria's violence is unfortunately just the start. The big to keep an eye out on is rice. If the liquidity makes its way there, the Chinese soft landing may just become much, much harder.
From the AP:
Wednesday's violence started after evening Muslim prayers. It came after price hikes for milk, sugar and flour in recent days, and amid simmering frustration that Algeria's abundant gas-and-oil resources have not translated into broader prosperity.
Youths resumed their outbursts Thursday afternoon.
Violence erupted across town in the El Harrach neighborhood, where youths set tires on fire and threw stones at police. Some officers were seen rounding up suspected troublemakers.
In the suburb of Rouiba, youths set fire to tires and danced around them, chanting "Bring us sugar!" Others tore down street signs and smashed streetlights with iron bars. In the suburb of Bordj El Bahri east of Algiers, rioters set fire to a post office. In nearby Dergana, youths set a town hall alight.
The violence led to blocked roads and kept schoolchildren and workers from getting home. Parents were heard talking to their children on cell phones, urging them to seek safety.
Algeria is still recovering from an insurgency that ravaged the country throughout the 1990s after the army canceled 1992 elections that fundamentalists were expected to win. Bab el-Oued is a former stronghold of that group, the now-banned Islamic Salvation Front, or FIS.
"They are right, these young people. They have no job, no housing, no visa (for other countries) and now not even bread or milk," said Amara Ourab, a resident of the neighborhood in her 50s.
Neighboring Tunisia has also seen violent protests in recent weeks over unemployment, leading to three deaths.
We can't wait for the Banzai Institute to do an artist's impression of the hand sketches taking place at the Hague's 2013 proceedings for crimes against humanity which will prominently feature just one notable Ivy league educated defendant
h/t Sean
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That one (clearly upset) old woman is scaring the shit out of those 12 cops surrounding her.
Unlike in Europe or America, if the cops beat down an old woman in the streets in Algeria, they know thats their ass.
Not a beatdown, a tazering!
Yep! I also think that the most aggressive cops are on the West Coast. A lot of people have this image of the West Coast as a highly liberal/laid back place, where people just chill and relax. But they'll have a rude awaking coming once they get pulled over by CHP or any other major police force on the west coast. Most of our cops here are assholes for some reason. I only learned this when I started traveling around the country and noticed how much calmer and nicer cops in other states are.
this is true, i got my first ticket in ten years in Dec. going down 101. i got caught in a speed trap with two other cars riding my ass... all three of us got pulled over. the CHP's sidekick had his hand on the tazer the whole time even though i had my hands on the wheel the whole time except to give my info. i didn't get tazed, but i got hit with a $600 ticket, not including traffic school charge...
yeah your cops are some steroid pig self proclaimed hard asses at times. My first time in Atlanta and the boys in blue at the airport would have looked more at home at a Mr Universe comp.
I think the old woman has just found her son and is congratulating him on what a great job he's doing!
tickets are the new taxes. Our presiding judge for the largest county in the state just issued a statement (probably violating the separations clause) that she is pissed that too many tickets are being dismissed. Never seen that before. For the first time in twenty years, this county is staffing all contested ticket hearings with a prosecutor to make sure the county makes more revenue. Across this country, bankrupt counties are installing camera tickets which according to most state statutes do not allow the citizen to formally challenge the technological validity of the video process or system which violates evidence rule 901. There was recent federal appeal out of chicago and the US district upheld the system. In addition, in our state, these camera tickets (usually speeding, red light, or school zone) do NOT have any effect on your drivers license unlike any other kind of moving violation. The first thing a driver is told by our court system when they inquire on contesting the ticket is "don't worry, it will not go on your driving record, just pay the fine, however, if you do not pay the fine, it can have an effect on your license."
another good reason to walk or ride a bike. close proximity to stores of needed supplies. i was taking a walk over to my 24hr store and went around a few extra blocks to enjoy the quiet time of 4AM. i thought what if i look suspicious, cause i look suspicious, i knew i had my grocery list and would show it to the officer in my defense. i am always going to have a grocery list in my pocket at all time. talked to my 'hood gang, mostly homeless and one of the guys pulled out a xerox copy of his driver's license in his pocket along with a few bucks. he says he has to show it all the time. he was white, but hippified tye dyed.
Random stops are now common on Friday and Saturday nights in San Mateo County. At first, they were only pulling over young people and minorities, but now they pull over anyone after 10 pm. They usually ask where you going, what you are doing out, have you been drinking, etc, and then let you go after checking your license/registration. And these are low crime areas too, so no excuse for random stops. Its right out of the movie 1984.
He wanted to communicate with a different age, whether of the past or the future where men were individual or free. He wanted to carry on in some small measure, the human heritage. As a beginning of this communication, he writes in his diary addressing that unknown age “from the age of doublethink, from the age of solitude, of Big brother, of uniformity – Greetings.”
My zipcode overlaps the top of the hill in Woodside, and Portola Valley.
So far I've been allowed to pass...
My old home! I had a flash of nostalgia, ripping on Skyline Drive.... mmmmmhhhh....them dot.con days were something else.
And food riots, they were such a faraway, like a decade at least away thing, eh?
ORI
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com
Oh regional Indian,
At 75 years of living experience, I personally believe that our lives are determined by personal mindset. We start with uneducated or inexperienced minds making choices on what we believe we see.
If we seek a paradise, then we must share that with other creatures (or humans) that seek that as well. Any environment will only support so much. And any lifestyle must be supported by our own mind and energy within the environment we choose. There are accidents but they result either from our willingness to take a risk or our personal fantasies about the lack of risk.
My observation is that people generally treat each other better in colder climates because the cold is a discomfort that touches everyone. The individual needs the help, support and goodwill of his fellow man to survive comfortably. Where the climate is warm, if food is plentiful, less shelter is required to sustain life. (That, fundamentally, the primary concern for all.) After that, of course, we have Maslow's hierarchy of needs.
Any environment has a great mixture of human mindsets and talents, The California environment has been very liberal, with a populace able to do what they please as long as it works. Politicians are, of course, elected to be the "deciders" by the populace.
My personal experience, in earlier times was that the south and warmer climate zones were more likely to have "speed traps" than the cool climate zones. Police in the small towns along the highway were not well paid and the innocent traveler could encounter some bizarre speeding charges.
Five decades ago, historians Will and Ariel Durant were consicered a read for the history of civilization. One of their "Lessons of History" was, in effect, that societies tend to swing back and borth between conservative liberal.
We choose based upon what we see ahead.
Recent experience passing through a small town in rural Louisiana:
Travelling down I-10 with cruise set ~72MPH. I see distant cop in the rearview with lights on. He catches up with me and pulls me over. Asks me if I know how fast I was going. I tell him 71-72ish. Cop says he clocked me at 86. I tell him this is impossible. I show him the trip log on my GPS that says it has been on for 4 1/2 hours and that my top speed in that time is 77. He says "I got you going 86. You are welcome to tell it to the judge. After he leaves, I place the ticket beside my GPS and take a picture with my camera phone. Then I e-mail it to myself. Now I have a picture clearly showing the ticket and the GPS trip log with a time/date stamp.
Next week I call and listen to the automated message that describes the fines. Coincidentally, it turns out that anything over 86 is considered "Wreckless Driving" and tacks on an additional $500.
45 days later I take off of work and drive an hour to my 8 AM court date. Wait 1 1/2 hour to be called. I show the DA my picture and bring the GPS unit for him to inspect. He offers to reduce the speed to 77 MPH. I point out to him that 77 was the max speed in 4 1/2 hours and that once I prove that the officer was "mistaken" he has no evidence that I was speeding in his jurisdiction. I suggest that that the ticket should be thrown out. He tells me that I certainly have a compelling case and that he will be happy to schedule me for a court date in 2 months so that I can present my case to the judge. I tell him that I have taken off of work and driven an hour to present him with my evidence and that it is within his power to throw out the ticket. He told me that the best he could do was reduce the ticket to a non moving violation of "illegal equipment" of $140, or I could come back in 2 months to fight the ticket and pay $170 in court costs for the privilege to do so.
In the end I paid $140 for illegal equipment on my 2009 Toyota. I contacted the State Attorney General's office to file a complaint, but they were uninterested.
Fuckers.
What was the illegal equipment?
Apparently a 100% stock 2009 Toyota is illegal equipment on this stretch of I-10.
I'm guessing that anything you have in your possession that disproves a $500 ticket is considered illegal equipment.
Hey Sausagemaker? This wasn't Sulphur Lousiana was it?
I remember going to Lake Charles all the time back in the day and the shitty little township of Sulphur just east of Lake Charles had about 3 different undercover cop cars. One was a Red Camaro, a Blue Pickup, and a black Crown Vic, in addition to their tiny gaggle of local cop cars. I was stopped by them once on my way to Lake Charles on business. That shitty town probably raked in about 500,000+ bucks a year with all the traffic they stopped.
I'm sure in 2010 they've upped the average ticket from 150~200 to like you said 500~600 bucks. Those cops are just like the shit don't stink fuckers in the movies too.
LaPlace
Perhaps you should contact an attorney rather than trying to get the state to prosecute itself?
Also, never drive that way again. Send the mayor's office a letter telling them that you are boycotting their town because of the criminality of their police force. Mention that you used to stop in and buy lunch there, and visit any attractions they had, but will refrain from doing so, and will ask your friends and family to join you in the boycott.
They don't like that.
Unfortunately there is really no good way to go around this town to get from point A to point B. I have kept all of my documentation. I always reset my GPS before travelling that way. If it happens again in the next 10 years I am going to the US District Attorney in person.
Sausagemaker
Yeah... but that mayor doesn't know that, does he ;0
Sausagemaker,
I think you got that wrong.
Sleezy crooked fuckers.
If there is a way to advertise names and dates on the internet, it would be a caution for the participants.
It has been a Southern tradition for decades.
"tickets are the new taxes".... I couldn't agree more.
I got a $100+ tax bill night before last. Cop asked me if I knew why he'd pulled me over. I said "because you have a quota to fill?". He wrote me up for blowing a fictional red light. I've never blown a red light in my life. Cunt might as well go to work for the IRS and trade the car-office for a cube, the uniform for a cheap suit, the weapon for a tape-recorder, and the badge for the right to work for Timmy TaxCheat.
+1
Here's a recent letter I wrote to a CHP officer after receiving mt first ticket in 30 years:
I had the misfortune of receiving an excessive speed citation from you on September 2, 2010 while riding my motorcycle southbound on highway 49 between North San Juan and Nevada City. We saw each other again in the Nevada County courthouse on Wednesday December 8, 2010 when I entered my ‘not guilty’ plea to your citation.
Your defense was quite clinical and Judge Heidelberger agreed with you and found me guilty. I maintain I did nothing wrong and broke no law. I was no danger to anyone including myself, I was not driving erratically, nor was I in violation of the basic speed law – driving faster than safe for the conditions. I was riding within what I believed was the speed limit on a flat road with no traffic at 2:00 in the afternoon of an 80 degree cloudless Thursday afternoon. I have been riding motorcycles for 45 years and do not have a history of accidents or moving violations nor do I have any other record of brushes with the law. In summary, I find your actions capricious.
Sure, you got your radar reading and conviction but your actions have destroyed much of the goodwill I have for law enforcement officers. Two of my best friends are a retired CHP officer and a retired El Dorado County sheriff. Somehow, I imagine that had it been one of them you pulled over rather than me, you would have had a nice chat and sent them on their way with a smile. In fact, one of these friends was on duty with CHP Officer Scott Russell the night he was killed. Over the last four years since Officer Russell’s death I have donated almost $1,000 to the charitable foundation that was established in his honor. I am well aware of the risks you and your fellow officers take and admire you for that.
However, the consent of the citizens of this country to be governed puts a burden on those who govern to do so in a manner that maintains the respect of the governed. Your stopping me and giving me a citation strikes me as little different from highway robbery. You pulled me over because you could and basically extorted $203 from me, again because you could. You did not make the roads any safer and the only lesson you taught me was that you pursue your job with little regard for how your actions affect the citizens that you were given the responsibility to govern.
story, brave on my man†
If you ever get a ticket when an officer uses radar, you're fucked unless the officer doesn't show up in the courtroom. That's highly unlikely though because they're paid time and a half to show up.
If you're given a ticket by an officer "pacing" you in his/her vehicle without radar gun evidence, these tickets are relatively easy to win - if you were traveling on a street with multiple lanes.
Here's all you need to do: Postpone the court hearing as far a possible, so the officer can't remember little details, like which lane he was in. Get him to admit that it is possible that he might have been in the lane next to you. Then - here's the coup de grace - get him to admit that the street is slightly curved. Now you've won, because if he might have been in a different lane, and the street is slightly curved, he must travel at a different rate of speed to maintain a steady "pace" of your car. Like athletes on a curved track, they all start at different locations because of the distance variable. Rate X Time = Distance, and you just created uncertainty in the Distance part of the equation.
Ticket dismissed!
:)
Nice post. I never speed, but if I ever get pulled over, I'll take that advise in the event of a ticket.
I don't know about the postponement/continuance thing. Was in traffic court a couple of weeks ago; the judge was extremely hard on those who asked for their case to be continued and told them that they'd better have a good reason.
I know, it's just one court but just sayin'.
I think they're all "revenue-ing" for the most part. How else are they going to self-perpetuate their jobs?
Did you get the option being tazed over paying a 600 buck ticket?
Both hurt, but that's 125 hot and ready pizza's.
Only open the window enough to talk to the bastards. Crank it wide open and the K-9 can climb on in after you've been tasered.
Move! :)
Just another confirmation here. I live on the West Coast and the cops truly deserve the moniker of "pigs." I fear the cops in California far more than I do when I am in, say NY. Heck, I fear them more than just about anyone else in this state. I am sure their response will be quick and brutal should any starving people riot in the streets of California.
I agree with that and with the poster above.
You don't fuck around with Californian police...ever.
Nobody'll ever riot here in the Winter Home of the Great Satan now that Governor Moonbeam is back. We're all chillin' out, smokin' Mr. Twisites, Peace, Love, Tranquility, Serenity. Everybody's 12 stepin' it or soakin' at Esalen. Evil people and big corporations movin' out-o'-state, renewable energy, recycling, everything for free, no more fat people, Birkenstocks, Whole Foods and HGTV custon yoga mats.
Yes; a reluctant, humane tasering (TASR); and some day they will just spray happy mist and ask people to calm down. I guess also Algeria doesn't have $.99 Happy Meals to offer the unwashed masses.
If the woman is black Al Sharpton will have your ass.
Yeah in the US we have plenty of punk cops who'd love to light her up with tazer and vibrate her across the pavement. (Not all cops, btw, or even most-- but we have plenty of punk cops and leadership that defends them)
Let me play with a tazer for five minutes, I'd light my own grandmother up and vibrate her across the pavement.
The screams are the best part. Make a video for the family to watch at the next reunion. Mine was a hit.
My grandmother died years ago...
I can only practice on my dog and my kids...
I thought we were sick puppies in arkansas, but you guys wanting to vibrate your grandmothers are crazy!
nah, it's that lovely electric burnt meaty smell that's the best part.
I like old people, I just find their meat a little ropey if they're free range.
They're all trying to figure out if she's anywhere in their mahram chart:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2f/Mahrams_Chart.png
Try page 2. She's always found in the last place you look.
Great minds think alike, I guess. Just wrote about this earlier today:
http://tfmetalsreport.blogspot.com/2011/01/random-musings.html
Prices of basic foodstuffs are headed significantly higher because they are all dollar-denominated. This is going to get much, much worse.
question: how much of these price increases are caused by speculation vs the natural effects of a falling dollar?
Hard to tell, the two are connected.
Speculation has never disappeared. Only one thing is known to curb speculation: abundance or mass production.
As mass production is kicking the bucket, and as the US were expected to run that kind of monetary policy to get the most out of the situation, good luck into decoupling the two.
The farmers have already sold their crops, to pay bills. THe goldamites are jacking up prices to dick the food producers, then lower them during harvest again. Rinse and repeat, as they as are so bonus driven.
Give back to Amerika...
Taser a Goldmanite...
the modern food system is global and completely dependent on cheap, cheap oil. Modern agriculture destroys the soil (and water table). So, beyond the dollar losing value, the entire system is breaking down. Farmers are being crushed by utterly insane crop subsidies and gigantic food corporations including Monsanto with their suicide seeds and lawsuits.
Looks to me like she is simply preparing for an upcoming visit to the US via airline.
Kids and young people rioting in the streets is not the end of the world.
However their parents and elders rioting in the streets most certainly is.
Coming in early 2012 to a US suburb near you!
and it will look exactly the same except, she'll step out of an SUV, then slap the officer.
Nah, you're thinking of Zsa Zsa. And she's too buggered up to do that anymore.
Hmmm... time to add more to the supply cabinet.
A couple or more ten pound bags of Domino's.
Everyone forgets mono filament line and hooks.
Genocide? Come on.
Hyperbole sells t-shirts!
And propaganda results in world peace, prosperity, and utopia.
Also leads to "Three Years of Economic Difficulty"
Great Chinese Famine
I'm not defending Bernanke I just don't think it behooves ZH to throw around incorrect terminology.
The Soviets/socialists managed to keep "political" out of the UN definition when the term was coined so that leaves a racial, ethnic, national and religious motivation on Bernanke's part for his actions to qualify as genocide.
Whatever his faults, I don't think he quite swings that way.
The Great Chinese Famine in a better (and hopefully far too extreme) analogy in that it was the horrible result of a central planning blunder.
The strong argument for genocide is that fact that the U.S., in the 1950's, used to produce enough food to literally feed the world. The intentional destruction of the independent farmer, not just in the U.S. but worldwide, in leiu of the corporate farm has seen food production plummet under the control of collectivist policies.
If food production is intentionally controlled, there is a very strong argument for population control through population reduction.
That's not genocide either.
There are many downsides to mega/mono agriculture vs. the family farm model but gross output isn't one of them. The U.S. produces 2-3 times as much food from it's farms as it did in the 1950's not less.
Besides the article concerns the pernicious effects of monetary policy (on food prices) not the nuts and bolts of modern agricultural production.
And I truly think that's what's behind the Fed's current activity. Keep the active ones working and let the rest die.
"...central planning blunder."
More like central planning mission accomplished.
cf MON Codex Alimentarius Food Safety Act
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxKMa1xhuXY&feature=channel 2:47
You are right, Mercury. But never forget that reason is merely the mask used to conceal the brutal malice roiling through this site. QE causing sugar shortages in Algiers is the Butterfly Wing Theorum gone mad.
Look at all the eager gluttons here gulping it down. Their prayer is that the NWO and TPTB will soon have TSHTF. You need to get in sync with the program. I am recommending your institutionalization for a period of six weeks of nonstop doomster porn.
We'll have you on your feet and back with the pack of ZH hoodie patrollers and PM wee-wee boys before you know it!
That was an insane accusation to level given the state of the world right now.
My recommendation is you unstick your head from out of your preppy ass and have a look around. The global economy and 200 years of industrialized civilization (a label I apply here in the loosest possible terms) are sliding into the ash bin of history and unless you start making reasonably hysterical mouth-noises about that you may well find your ivory tower tossed into the bonfire of self-immolation right along with the rest of us.
Sound like a plan Sparky?
This isn't Guantanamo. No one's forcing you to suffer our stupidity. In the meantime, we're suffering yours.
LOL. You are so awesome.
There was also a big famine in China during the 30's. I mention it because the description of one writer has always stuck in my memory. I think it was Pearl S. Buck, but I don't really recall.
She was travelling along a highway between two cities and came across a man and a woman who were sitting down, holding each other and crying. They were exhausted, had no food, couldn't make it any farther and had stopped there to die.
Multiply that scene many times over during that famine, and other ones.
In 1932, five million Ukranians died of starvation. Interestingly, in that same year, the USSR exported five million tons of Ukranian grain to Europe.
The same thing occurred during the potato famine in Ireland, when boatloads of food were exported to England.
Mao did the same thing in China in the 50's. what was especially sick about it was that, in many cases, he sent food to other communist countries FOR FREE, while his own people starved. He did this as a propaganda ploy, to show the world what a paradise of bounty they (supposedly) had in China.
See my point above Vashta - that's why the Soviets wanted "political" left out of the UN definition of genocide.
It's all bullshit of course, those people were intentionally starved to death but the Russians have successfully argued (just a few years ago when the Ukrainians tried to make an issue of it) that all those Ukrainians died because they were farmers not that all those farmers died because they were Ukrainians.
And our MSM on the forced famine:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Duranty
http://rationalrevolution.net/special/library/famine.htm
http://rationalrevolution.net/special/library/tottlefraud.pdf
Fraud, Famine and Fascism
The Ukrainian Genocide Myth from Hitler to Harvard
by Douglas Tottle
He forgot to interview the dead people.
You're the best Tyler and i hvvae been here since you started and were just on blogger and would go to war for ya. And I love when u post. It always makes me day. I only registered months ago but was a lurker for awhile before i decided to join the club. First rule of zerohedge; always talk about zerohedge to everyone!
Are you from To Hell U Ride?? If so we have met. Milestones
When the actions are to protect the wealthy and powerful at the expense of the masses, as readily translates down the chain into the ultimate of resources (food)... it is hard not to use some pretty rough terms. Population reduction is going to look nasty from whatever angle the viewpoint is taken though.
No, I get it...but that's still not genocide.
What's the difference?
I believe it would be article eight of the UN charter on genocide. Must not trigger that.
Maybe it would clarify things if you just said genocide=mass murder but mass murder≠genocide.
You are meaning here that size matters. Because mass murder is absolutely equal to genocide at some scale of murder. As it happens the victims may get to specify the scale.
I'm saying it's semantics and not to get caught up in what the real problem is and that is mass murder. Who cares the reason? And it is not size. L.A. or the whole U.S. could be wiped out and would either be genocide?
"Riots over rising food prices and chronic unemployment spiraled out from Algeria's capital on Thursday, with youths torching government buildings and shouting "Bring us Sugar!"
ahhh, such misery is sweet music to my ears....we already be way long dat sugar, dogg...........
They obviously havent been drinking their Kool Aid.
Definitely not the Kool Aid that's made with sugar.
I'd be pissed to if my K00l-Aid was laced with aspartame.
get with the program (or pogrom as the case may be),
it's now called neotame.
http://stienster.blogspot.com/2011/01/usda-certified-organics-dirty-litt...
Nice one Irwin.
Physical, bitchez.
Interesting to note how the people are demanding that the government bring them sugar. Oh the irony.
Issue a subsidy, create a dependence.
Maybe they were asking for Uncle Sugar. You know him?
It is often the case that the demands coming from these protesters are not well thought out...
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_lm67xzwqHfw/TGxBL4HIqnI/AAAAAAAAAaw/lnUsUzeqXMc/s1600/AZ+Give+us+free+everything+protest+sign.bmp
Reason is usually the first casualty when emotion is allowed to take the driver's seat.
Agreed. Admittedly I am assuming the gov't issued food subsidies...the irony is that people will petition a non-producer for basic needs. Coercion supersedes trade when stomachs are empty and minds are blank.
You need sugar to bake bread. It's not just for sweetening things.
tmos - you seem knowledgeable regarding the GOM problems, does this guy sound accurate, or whacky
ht to earlier poster for the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI4tqbQDPKk&feature=player_embedded
I don't have time to watch it right now as I am about to go into a meeting. Has this guy written any papers? I generally don't like Youtube videos as sources for scientific data, for obvious reasons. That does not mean that he is a fraud or that he is not a fraud.
I should also note that I am absolutely not an expert on oceanic or atmospheric currents by any means, though I do know enough to be able to read and understand scientific papers from the field.
Don't know anything about him. The video was compelling though, basically that with 75-80% of the oil sank, is still there, and affecting the gulf and jet streams, resulting in much colder water in the North Sea, and disrupting the normal transfer of heat in the Atlantic. Goes on to talk about a possible Ice Age.
I mean with birds dropping dead, and those stinking Mayans, who knows. lol
Here's the deal:
Oil dispersed in water is relatively unknown on this scale. Expectations are that water chemistry could be whack, but other possible issues might appear. For example if dissolved oil changes the ability of the water to mix with other water masses then strange water column stratification would be possible. Water column stratification on a large enough scale could possibly change surface temperatures and evaporation.Changes in sea-surface temperature and evaporation certain do drive local weather and could possibly create more or even less precipitation in that case, but would be very hard to demonstrate. Evaporation and precipitation do influence air temperatures a lot. The ability of low and high pressure centers to dominate over large regions could possibly be altered enough to redirect the jet stream into novel patterns that may or may not bring trouble to land masses the jet stream passes over.
And there you have it. Maybe.
Note that "ice age" is a geological term that is applied only after said age is past, and applies to periods of time that are meaningful only on a geological time scale (centuries to millennia) and not for example a couple years. "mini ice age" is a term you sometimes hear bandied around but it doesn't mean much except that people for many years were colder than hell and very unhappy about it. Hard to argue from their perspective.
Also changes in jet stream patterns, while they might nuke certain regions or large parts of continents, would not be expected to impact overall climate globally. There, the trend is still towards "warmer" under the influence of AGW as seen in the last 10-15 years. A few months of strange jet stream currents dragging air from the Arctic might be a pleasant memory some day.
maybe some relief aid of HFCS courtesy of Cargill/ADM
If you're bored...
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-241.html
It was written in the 1990's, but it's very relevant today as all the same shit exists.
What's the matter with you Red? You're here all day, just contributing to the actual conversation, making a little funny now and then... You okay?
Citing Cato no less.
My personal cartoon bubble vision: Repug posts that link, and at that EXACT same moment, Charles Koch "Exorcist pukes" all over a boardroom somewhere.
Kudo's, your relevant today.
What the heck were your new year resolutions?
want to learn more about subsidies, go to http://subsidyscope.org/framing-paper/html
Rulers learned very well long ago to create subsidies. You may have heard of "Bread and Circuses" during the Roman times. What you may not know is that in Constantinopol (the Capital of the Eastern Roman Empire), every homeowner in the city was entitled to one loaf of bread per day. That amounted to 80,000 loaves of bread being baked, and given away, every single day.
Keep the people at least minimally fed, and there generally was order.
Not always, though. Justinian literally butched 50,000 people who were rioting. These people were packed in a space of about 1 football field wide, and 5 fields long, when his well-known General Belisarius unleashed his troops from the only two sides, and slaughtered everyone inbetween.
The power elite have a different way of thinking about things. And writing history so that they look good.
There will be collateral damage in any currency war. China will surrender or the entire world can choke and die on our dollars. We can print them faster than china can form the next world currency.
to borrow the phrase:
yes, we can...but
if bread is missing all bets are off...anything is possible...sheeple or not
There is no freedom without bread.
Potable water in short supply has been known to anger the masses, too.
Yeah, they start to get hot under the cholera.
Do the plebes across the globe know thyeth name Ben S. Bernanke?
Ben S. Bernanke, aka 'The Bernank,' aka 'Bernankster,' aka 'Uncle Sugar.'
No amount of gold, silver, or fiat currency will buy you food and water if there is none.
silly argument. This is not "Peak Food"
Ignorant response.
There is, however, a "peak population" that the earth can support.
Look. Your argument suggests that there will not be ANY food on the planet, therefore no amount of gold will buy any. This is preposterous. I'm sure there is some nuclear scenario, etc., but to say no amount of gold will buy food is just silly. Prices go up as food becomes more scarce.
Peak population? More PC theoretical bullshit. You are trying to relive the 70s population explosion crap that has been so discredited. Have you grown tired of the "global warming" scam and now want to recycle some 70s theories?
Take a class in thermodynamics when you are ready to have an intellectual discussion. Sustaining life on this planet has certain requirements and depends that many organisms maintain healthy populations because they cycle key elements.
Numerous peer-reviewed works have established this and the "carrying potential" of the earth with respect to humans. Don't spout crap because your political puppet masters tell you what to believe. Go find out for yourself.
For example, if we were to have infinite growth and in fact consume all the algae and plants that ultimately capture the ONLY energy source (sunlight) then there would in fact be no more food. Unfortunately for us, it will end much sooner as critical species of bacteria stop cycling those critical elements that plants or algae need.
Hedge accordingly.
Man Bear Pig... is that you? Where have you been?
You dare to argue with the Goracle!! His religous bona fides are well known and malthus be blessed. Thermodynamics proves there is no free lunch so we must all die (or at least 95.7648984% of us to be exact)
Sarc off..
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Numerous peer reviewed works have been found to be fraudulent.
We're talking half or more, not just a few.
Further, you seem to forget the fact that *GASP* algae reproduces!
Are you honestly arguing that bacteria are going to go extinct? Do you realize just how fucking stupid that idea is?
"Numerous peer-reviewed works have established ... the "carrying potential" of the earth with respect to humans."
Name one. Also, mention please what is the carrying capacity of earth.
No, you can buy food with gold...when there are food riots I'll be happy to trade 1 can of beef hash for 1oz gold coin. Take it or leave it.
That's why in addition to gold you should buy and store a minimum of one year worth of food. You should also have a minimum of 3 guns (an assult type rifle, pistol, and shot gun) with 1000 rounds of ammo for each.
Thanks for that.
I dig the Colonel, his commentaries and his quotes. "Remember the first rule of gunfighting... Have a gun."
I hear that, post Chairman Jeff, Gunsite is still a great school.
The Colonel is the first, last and best real life John Wayne/Clint Eastwood/Bad Ass MoFo.
Good call from, what I am guess, is an educated Mormon.
He left out 3 wives!
Did he spell moron properly?
The Peak Oil folks are ahead of even the Mormon church on this matter, and the Mormons are superb authorities on the approach.
The issue is simply numbers. If you're within walking distance, say 30 miles of a decent sized city or town, then you cannot defend your stash. The numbers will overwhelm any place the mob thinks has food. You advertise that any time you set a fire in the fireplace to stay warm in winter.
It's a far, far more ugly thing than storing food (for the mob) and having a gun (to anger the mob).
So are you saying it is best to just do nothing and be one of the starving masses? I'll take my chances with the guns and food.
+1...and for most of the year in northern CA, you can get away with no heat in your home.
Under a survival scenario, heating must rely on kerosene stoves, not wood.
Semper Paratus '84-'90
I would just add, network with others, particularly those living around you. Take the steps to start making your neighborhood a bunker zone. In an anarchy situation (like what one might typically experience in many urban neighborhoods currently), nothing works better than community-based defense initiatives. This already happens via gang zones; start forming your own gang or be prepared to get taken by one.
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Do I have to learn how to flash? You're right though, community is the key. On the food front, as I always push, forest (7 layer) gardening, permacultre, perennial, non traditional foodsources like the siberian pea tree will not only help hide obvious sources but will survive with little input, oil included.
I have 2 shotguns, a pistol, 6 months of food, a diesel gen, 400 gallons of fuel, cash, a little silver, batterys, bleach, and some booze.
I hedge options in oil, silver and other multinationals. I have been trying to trade futures against robots.
Why don't I feel so warm and fuzzy, inside?
There always is at the right price or take option two,
use your gold and silver and travel out.In all ways gold and silver is the
money of the last resort.
Not trolling here, but dude, "travel out", to where? With What?
Shit hits the fan, and you will go as you please with gold bags on your hip?
The powerful locals will just snatch that shit form you and leave you in a pool of your own stoopid blood.