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Food Stamp Usage Hits 18 Sequential Record High At 40.8 Million
Not much commentary needed here as boston.com says it all: "The number of Americans who are receiving food stamps rose to a record
40.8 million in May as the jobless rate hovered near a 27-year high, the
government reported yesterday. Recipients of Supplemental Nutrition
Assistance Program subsidies for food purchases jumped 19 percent from a
year earlier and increased 0.9 percent from April, the US Department of
Agriculture said in a statement on its website. Participation has set records for 18 straight months. An average of 40.5 million people, more than an eighth of the population, will get food stamps each month in the year that began Oct. 1, according to White House estimates. The figure is projected to rise to 43.3 million in 2011." But who cares: can someone please tell these ungrateful sods their stocks are up like 70% since the Fed became the market in March 2009.
h/t Mike
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Virtual bread lines. This while JPM lines theirs.
+1, not a joke.
The joke is on the rest of us whose plastic cards are connected to banks, not the US Treasury.
Anyone looking for a thesis topic should cover food stamp usage and trending over higher education -- medical, dental school students, lawyers, etc.
It's the all one can ride on the Zipper until some carney hands them a bag to puke their thanks into.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ4DDjpcTxA&feature=player_embedded
eat cake bitches!
Zackley!
Cake, bitchez!
Cake? Cocaine bitchez!
Off with your head just like in manchester ,ct ?????? poor not going to take like in the 30`s !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why the assumption these are Americans?
Millions in California alone, on food stamps, are illegal aliens.
Many are legal immigrants on food stamps.
If you had a back door look to the handouts to illegals in this state alone you'd barf.
so you are in favor of cutting off foodstamps for LEGAL immigrants as well? kind of ironic that in thinking about how other people don't starve due to food stamps you throw up your lunch. good thing you're rich enough to afford all that extra food.
yes, we have the bread lines as in the Great Depression. Only this time they are clutching their food stamps standing in line at Wal-Mart groceries.
I've been saying that for a couple years. People don't think it's as bad because everyone is getting gubment handouts..
I seems to me, most of the comments miss the whole point of the article. The simple fact that 41 million people qualify for Food Stamps is a snapshot of our situation.
Instead, people who don't need the help are turning on the ones that do. How sad. I for one, am a tax payer, and I don't want to see people, especially children, going without food.
If you don't need Food Stamps, just be thankful for that fact.. and move along.. No need to attack the ones that do, the vast majority don't want to be in that position.
Well said Max Hunter!
"Scrooge sees under the robe of the Ghost of Christmas Present, two children, whose names show that they are symbols: Ignorance and Want. Dickens sees that a lack of education and extreme poverty make it impossible for anyone to have a good life. Of the two, the Ghost tells Scrooge to beware the boy " most of all" because ignorance allows poverty to continue."
It would be interesting to see what Dickens would have thought of the people "clutching their food stamps standing in line at Wal-Mart groceries." The irony of poverty being hidden in such a manner by use of food stamps and a corporation such as Walmart is funny, in a sick and twisted way.
Talking about irony. Americans throw away 30% of their food. I see it everyday. It's like a bisarro world out there.
They should get rid of food stamps.
I'm tired of seeing fat people.
I'm even more tired of paying taxes so they can sit on their fat asses and collect all this bullshit while I'm working.
bob_dabolina
Move to fucking Africa.
Thank you. You have motivated me to aply for anything I can get just to suck as money as possible from your ignorant ass.
What a relief now I can eat again.
Why don't you move to Russia you lazy ass piece of shit.
Kiss my dick you marxist shit stain.
I junked you both.
Take it outside.
Mr Lennon Hendrix
Thank you Daddy. I'm sorry the other guy was a repugnant excuse for a human being. If I were Liberal I might claim he were a Teabagger.
Your ego is masturbating.
Mr Lennon Hendrix
I thought the ID was the infantile part.
Shit.
No shirts, no shoes.
Mr Lennon Hendrix
No pants
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGXdXcpNsv4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz3yhYYV5MQ
Big Lebowski themed, like nothing came before that.
On a lighter note, the market is just about to turn green!!!
Must be all the "good economic news" of the day finally working its way through to "investors" who are "cheering" all the "green shoots".
RUS 2k says, "Give me those emerald tinted glasses!"
Yep, hard to budge the Russell on ES market orders alone.
Jimi: Some levity to go with the market levitation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHZhDdcE2Iw&feature=related
Dude, I bet you play a mean game of table tennis.
Damn! is this what a junk filter DOS attack looks like?
no doubt...
sounds like teens n need of conflict resolution skill set...
Kaiser Sousa
I cut you man! I cut you deep and continous!
I cut you man!
+1
But one of 'em clearly must be obese (won't say which one for fear of getting junked)? Solly, couldn't help myself...
bob_dabolina
You have a dick?
I wouldn't have told you to kiss it if I had a pussy.
bob_dabolina
Well you seem like a pussy. I assumed you were a big ole bull dyke.
A dick and a pussy makes you a Hermaphrodite, like that Olympic runner.
He's in the right place, USA, coming socialist paradise. Russia is now capitalist.
Right, move to the place where that type of socialism has already reached it's logical endpoint--mass starvation.
God forbid a man be allowed to keep what is his. Instead, we should take everything that a man has and leave him with nothing, and instead force him to crawl on his belly to us for alms. Surely he won't just stop working...
That's exactly what I did, I just stopped working.
Get a clue. You can't qualify for food stamps unless you are absolutely destitute. No real income or savings. Most of these people will wind up homeless, if they aren't already.
If you simply want to see people starve then I hope you also starve one day.
Oh please. You get a fucking clue. This isn't rice, bread, milk and a weekly chicken we're giving these people.
Foodstamps are a complete crock. The foodstamp program is heavily lobbied by General Mills, Kraft, Nestle and the other big guys.
This is just one more subsidy to big corporations.
Food stamps doesn't even pay enough for someone to eat the whole month. People also have to go to food banks for donations. The average food stamp monthly budget is less than $100. Do you think people spend the money on lobster and caviar?
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/the-problem-solver/2010/04/eating-we...
So once again, it is YOU who needs to get a clue.
According to your link:
Uh, yes...? $275.53 for a family of four comes to $68.88 per person. Or about $1 per meal.
Exactly what is the point you are trying to make?
That your previous point was incorrect.
Exactly what part of $68.88 being less than $100 do you not understand?
*edit - deleted
And how many single adults are out there collecting food stamps? And why? I hate to break it to you, but lots of families of four are surviving on about a $300/month grocery budget.
Ever looked at an All You magazine? How many articles are like this one?
"Make a meal for under $1 per serving" http://www.allyou.com/food/supercheap-meals/meals-under-one-dollar-00400...
This is just life. And for most people, that $1 per person per meal has to be earned and doesn't come via the government.
Here is a Youtube series by a 91-year-old great grandmother on how they cooked during the Great Depression. She was such a hit on Youtube she now has a cookbook out. Potatos and pasta figure heavily.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OPQqH3YlHA
Edited for link.
That link you provided shows exactly why a lot of the poor are um, overweight. Tons of carbs (cheap), and hardly any meat.
Spaghetti Pie? - For using yesterday's spaghetti leftovers. Ham and Cheddar Supper Waffles... Supper Waffles?! WTF?! All You Magazine - Enjoy life less, for less.
Sure, some of them are not exactly haute cuisine, but I hardly think that the nation's obesity problem is being caused by the poor overindulging in zucchini frittatas or sauteed chickpeas and broccoli.
MIchelle +1.
Owned.
I hate to jump into the middle of a fight that isn't mine, but $1 a meal per person IS a substantial subsidy to a home cooked meal.
1 Whole Chicken - 5.67
2# Bag of Potatoes - 3.75
1# Bag of Carrots - 2.50
Total - $12.92
Meal 1 - Roasted chicken dinner with skin on broiled potatoes, and glazed carrots.
Meal 2 - Homemade chicken soup with potatoes and carrots
Still have some soup left over for somebody to take to lunch.
$12.92 devided by 9 meals: $1.43 per meal
Contribution made by food stamps (using your figures): 70%
You forgot pinto beans. Pinto beans and corn bread is a meal. If you want to splurge, buy some pork butt at $1 a pound (which careful shoppers can find). Throw some pork in the pinto beans and you have a meal.
I am not poor, but sort of have this hobby of seeing how fine of a meal I can make for $1 per person.
It can be done, and you can eat well. Learn to shop. Learn to cook. Real food is not expensive.
Give me your address so we can be neighbours when armageddon comes! You fix the food and I'll provide the firepower. Have collected quite an arsenal during the past years... I have a rifle that can take out two elephants in a row - or to use Bobs_ language: 3 obese dudes in a row ;)
I've also stacked up on alcohol and that scandinavian tobacco stuff you put under the lip. Great stuff!
May I ask how you're gonna get three obese dudes to line up and hold still so you can shoot them?
Well sir, if I were to do it, I would put 30 big macs on a rectangular table with an attached bench on only one side.
I don't see it as an issue though since fattys tend not to move unless they have a gun to their head... hm, well now that's quite a conundrum since they actually would have a gun to their heads.
Would be pleased to have you as a neighbor, but you would have to move to Texas. When you leave wherever you are, do it with some style . . . like Davie Crockett announcing his retirement from congress . . . "You can all go to Hell, I am going to Texas".
+1 haha
It made a great movie; I enjoyed it thoroughly. However, as someone raised in Tennessee, I believe the correct quote is from Andrew Jackson who told Crockett he had two choices; "you can go to hell or Texas" Don't get me wrong, I have great respect for both of them, but later on they got along about as well as bob_d and gully. And this is no slam on Texas, a decent chunk of my grandmother's family moved there in the mid 1800s.
Crockett did actually make that quote in a speech. You are correct, that Crockett and Jackson did not get along. Crockett was concerned that the Presidency was getting too much power, and was against centralized banking. His beef was that the president should not control both the purse and the sword.
I'm getting a kick reading your stuff while all the while seeing your PTJ ca 1985 Broad St. office avatar. I'm imagining his southern drawl delivering those lines, which adds to the impact.
I usually have a tendency to write as I speak (ol' for old etc.), so you are correct sir. Of course I probably curse more than ol' PTJ :P
Beans and rice form a complete protein. Thanks, Bill Nye!
http://www.goldiesroom.org/Multimedia/Movie_Clips/10%20Human%20Nutrition...
Correct to both of you above. Good food isn't overly expensive if you can stay off your fat ass long enough to cook it. Applebees "Carside to Go" is not a homecooked meal people.
Eggs are very affordable. Just look at how many eggs you can buy for the cost of one soda.
There's a reason urban chickens are making a comeback!
http://urbanchickens.org/
That's next on our list.
Besides the obvious advantage of eggs, chickens make excellent pets. They are very sociable, take care of themselves, and each has its own personality. I have ten, and have more eggs than I can eat or give away. If you are serious about chickens, I have had great luck with the Black Star from McMurray Hatchery. Real sweet little birds, and they are big time egg producers.
http://www.mcmurrayhatchery.com/black_star.html
Thanks for the tip. I've bookmarked the link.
chickens are great pets, i have 17. 15 are jersey giants and 2 barnvelders.
they often sit on my lap when i'm online (not all at once).
While you don't get the benefit of the eggs, rabbits are another excellent meat source that are easy to raise, take up little space, and "breed like rabbits".
I don't know what amount of space you're talking about putting them in, but rabbit pellets are a little less noxious than chickenshit, and have the added benefit of being able to be used immediately as fertilizer without having to break down first.
As a boy, we raised both. I remember hating those Goddamned chickens so much I was almost happy to butcher them. The rabbits were a little harder to get used to though.
Rabbits are on the list after chickens. We're starting slow and working our way up. Our goal is something like the quarter-acre plan in The Backyard Homestead.
http://www.amazon.com/Backyard-Homestead-Produce-food-quarter/dp/1603421386
I am getting soft in my old age, and could not imagine eating one of the little chickies. If things fall apart, I am afraid I will be a vegetarian. So, Rabbits are not on my list, as Mrs. Rebel would give them names, and make little bunny suits to keep them warm.
I am finishing up a hydroponic greenhouse. It is large enough it should be able to feed the family, and help the neighbors. There is something quite invigorating about self sufficiency. Not like you are hunkered down waiting for the end of the world, more like you are rediscovering life's little pleasures.
"While you don't get the benefit of the eggs, rabbits....."
What? Dude, one word: Easter Bunny.
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Buy rice and red lentils in bulk, and a meal can come in for less than 50 cents per person. All the protein one needs plus not a whole lot of fat. Health is a no cost extra.
In times of need and hardship you want fat. A lot of it.
LOL. Way to not read your own posted article. You need to get a clue. QED.
I see that math is not your strong suit.
And... you apparently believe QED pertains only to mathematical proofs. Ok.
Look, here's an earnings release you may find interesting. If you can't connect the dots, you're a jackass.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Kraft-Foods-Incs-2Q-net-apf-3965467872.htm...
So damn right. I saw a "friend" at the grocery. She had packaged Ritz and gourmet cheese crackers 6 crackers for $4.95. I commented thinking for that money you could get some real cheese and crackers and make lots more than 6. She laughed and said she was using her daughters food stamp money. Nice./s
Actually this is not true.
Some anecdotal evidence. My brother lived in Asia for almost a decade, he made really good money teaching English. Anyway, a few years ago he and his wife and young daughter moved to Northern California so he could go to grad school.
My sister-in-law worked as a waitress and he went to school. They rented a nice house, drove an SUV, and went on a three month vacation every summer to Asia.
The whole time, they were also on food stamps. Oh yeah, after he graduated they decided to move back to Asia. A few days before their flight, they recieved their last food stamp credit (apparently they have a food stamp debit card so recipients don't get stigmatized). They used it to splurge on really expensive foodstuffs for a very lovely last dinner in the US.
A few weeks after that, my brother sent my boyfriend an email asking him for investment advice since he (my brother) was sitting on a cool 80 k.
My very left-wing brother of course bemoans corporate bailouts and ha ha ha I guess the joke is on America and taxpayers like midtowng because
1) My brother was clearly not destitute.
2) My brother's children (he had another one) hold passports from an Asian country that is sitting on pretty hefty surpluses- so no debt slavery for them!
and
3) My brother will probably never declare enough income to pay income tax abroad and so he won't suffer inflation or higher taxation.
SUCKERS!
A few years ago I was in the grocery store, and the guy in front of me was paying with foodstamps. He had 5 lbs of canned dog food, amongst his groceries. The clerk told him he could not buy dog food on food stamps. He left his groceries at the checkout, took the dog food back, and came back with 5 lbs of hamburger meat, and mumbled some comment about his dog eating like a king now.
I don't want to see people starve, but could we not make it just a little more sane? I would more support food banks that offered staples . . . pinto beans, rice, flour, corn meal, potatoes, chicken.
It does bother me that people use foodstamps for expensive junk food. It is like we have to pay twice . . . once for them to eat it, and again for the diabetes treatment.
Look at private programs like Angel Food Ministries. They actually work.
https://www.angelfoodministries.com/menus/menu_2010-08_en.asp
$29 to feed a family of four for a week.
Looks like an excellent program, and one I would be interested in supporting.
I could support it a lot more if my pocket was not being picked each month by Uncle Sam for worthless programs that do not work.
Gee Michelle, arent you special.
I'm sure you're just sitting there at your dining table eating Kraft Macaroni and Cheese, and Chips A Hoy cookies, while you expect the unwashed masses to eat generic Mac N Cheese , and some shitty ass Buttery Cookies.
Hater.
/sarcasm
Velveeta Shells'n'Cheese and Otis Spunkmeyer chocolate chunk... only the finest for my little ones!
Exxon/mobil paid no taxes last year thats welfare !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You neglected to say whether he obtained food stamp credit legally. There is a big difference between an irresponsible government givaway plan, which most commentors here seem to be implying is the case, and one that is intended for people who actually can't afford the basics of daily life but relies on sworn information from the appliccant. Anyone who falsifies their financial situation to qualify for food stamps should be getting their free meals from a prison cafeteria.
Then your brother committed fraud.
http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10101.html
"Generally, your household cannot have more than $2,000 in resources."
I am shocked, shocked that anyone would game the system.
Untrue. I have personal experience with people on food stamps who had income, just not a lot of it. But they owned a house, had a job, etc. Also, when I was a teen and working at a drug store I had several customers a day use food stamps to buy junk - not food to keep them from starving.
It's time to cull the herd.
Not much experience with gov programs, eh?
We get food stamp food. We have a 6-figure income. A friend at an old people's home insists on giving us food. She gets food stamps but doesn't need them. Our local Second Harvest also drops by and gives a bag of food to each resident each week. So we also get stuck with nasty old can goods that you probably donated for the hungry....
This is the most ingnorant statement I have heard in a long time. Thank you for reinforcing my thoughts that this country is fueled on stupidity fed to them through MSM. Now run along and come back when you get a clue.
Even though you were junked to oblivion, you make a valid point.
Hunger and poverty are very real problems. But we're not giving these people rice, beans, milk and eggs. We're giving them what looks like a MasterCard, which they can buy just about anything -- with little regard to price and nutritional value.
Want Cool Whip? Pop Tarts? Coca Cola? Twizzlers? Granola? It's on the taxpayer, fatty. Get in there and help yourself.
If you're poor, you need to learn how to fucking cook. Most people in America have grandparents that lived through GD1. They cooked. Sewed. And many grew their own food. Pop tarts? Horseshit.
Excellent points, Popo.
Well said Popo, it's coming time to re-learn old trades.
ORI
I don't claim to make any judgements about what people buy with food stamps. Since most people on food stamps are families with kids I make an assumption that they actually care about what they buy. I'm sure there are exceptions. There will always be. But I'm not going to start denouncing everyone on food stamps because someone on a radio show called in with a story they heard about from a friend.
+100 Popo. Part of the problem, and junk away if you think I sound like a dick, but we have removed all shame from handouts.
No more will you have to endure the embarrassment of sorting your groceries into two piles, paying for one with the dreaded food stamp, and the other with cash.... Now just swipe your platinum Govvie Card, discreetly pay the cashier the difference shown on the screen, and be on your merry way.
I don't have a problem with feeding people who are down on their luck. Nor do I have a problem with helping the truly needy in general. But to blindly support the food stamp program as though it hasn't been corrupted like every other entitlement??..... Come on.
Quit bashing the people who are sick of feeding people at gunpoint. You might be surprised at how much food we give away,,,,,all on our own, without any social justice faggots telling us we HAVE to.
There's a line in A Tree Grows in Brooklyn where Katie Nolan's sisters are advising her to accept charity baskets to feed the family. Her response is that if the day ever comes that she has to accept charity, she'll wait until the kids are asleep, close all the windows, and turn up the gas jets.
We've come a long way, haven't we?
Damn baby boomers had to take away personal responsibility from most of society.
Then what exactly is your plan to replace this program, genius?
It looks to me like it consists of tossing around epithets and acting like an asshole. Not too productive. I also doubt your level generosity in how much you've given away "on your own".
Yes, entitlement programs are out of control. Yes, there is corruption.
But the bigger problem is cultural. This decidedly American communication disconnect puts ColonelCoopers reflexive and ignorant hate of so-called "social justice f*ggots" on the same level as someone with enough experience to handle an organization that currently has aprox. 40 million users. Good luck with that.
Funny - In 1831, Alexis de Tocqueville also identified the American 'egalitarian' tendency to identify with the people that talk the loudest and make the most noise with fiery, hateful rhetoric rather than the quiet ones with actual experience. Sooo much has changed...not.
You don't replace the program. Sink or swim. Mass starvation.
The facts:
http://dss.sd.gov/foodstamps/faq/
While I hate the idea of using tax payer money, I wouldn't put this in the "giveaway" category. Human beings are compassionate...and we should not let each other starve.
I don't think you know the FACTS.
They use the "honor system" most of the time. I have met many people who joke about career un-employed and live comfortably and go to the beach almost everyday.
Think about this. I met a FAT, FAT ass woman a few weeks ago.
This is what she got:
-Lives in a $3,500 p/month apartment and pays $300 b.c she is section 8.
-Gets $1,200 a month for food stamps (for her and her 7 fatherless children)
-Gets $790 a week for unemployment
-Get's subsidies for WIC
-Is collecting social security (can't recall how much she was getting from that)
This is fucking bullshit. She is happier than a pig in shit for not working. She was laughing about how easy it is to game the system, and doesn't plan on looking for work because she wouldn't make as much as she would from being unemployed.
All in all, she's collecting about what a college graduate would make with an entry level position and $125,000 in debt from student loans.
I think you are caught up on the EXCEPTIONS...not the norm. There will ALWAYS be people gaining the system...
Sounds like you are more angry at yourself for taking the moral high road...celebrate that you are better than this "woman"...
Hey, you can apply the same logic to banks getting bailouts. I feel good about myself now.
People who game the system can be found in all western countries. Fucker's should be shot. That is also why socialism doesn't work, when it goes to the extreme the minority will have to slave for the majority. That was Ayn Rand-ish bitchez!
Ah....human nature. Oh, and it's not just "western". Those easterners sure know how to game things, too. After leaving WS, I made the mistake of heading East and, after seeing abject poverty in its full glory, complete with the aromas that make it all the more real, I began an unofficial aid project where I fed, clothed, medicated, housed and schooled as large a group of people as an ex-trader's finances would allow. Damn, did I pay some tuition. I always considered myself street savvy and anything but naive, but some people inherently know how to game things.
So after fifteen years and still going, has it been worth it? Actually, yes. Once one passes the first few tests, understands what many of the "noble poor" are wont to do, and learns what is possible and what is not possible, then successes come. In the end I came to consider success getting kids (had to toss most of the parents, if they had them, as many were either professional aid gamers or else just letting me fatten up the kids until they hit an age old enough to sell them into prostitution) educated and filled with a little confidence and self respect. Stabilize the initial situation (nutrition, medicine, housing), then educate and let them open the world up for themselves. That's all one can do.
Oh, and yes I did initially consider just turning over my cash to "aid professionals" until I saw that being an NGO has to be one of the world's great scams. Pure bullshit marketing aimed at pulling heartstrings, while all the while affording the NGO's a lifestyle many college educated Westerners would envy. The UN and all of its agencies are the paragon of scamsterism, the ideal to which all of the other aid organizations aspire. High salaries, short hours, car and driver (usually a white Toyota Landcruiser), the best residences, business or first class flying, endless catered fundraisers, etc. Then there's the missionary types....don't get me started! Let's just say the Missionary Cookbook kills two birds with one stone, a good meal and a better world.
End of off topic rant.
+1
Good as usual. I find myself looking of certain avatars these days.
You're probably describing more norm than not.
Guess who "educated" these system gamers?
Glorified public education system which you paid for as well.
Fucking fucked.
ditto.
28+ Jews, blacks, illegal mexicans, and white trash (also known as "intellectuals") are strongly disagree with you.
My grandpa was a member a dreaded Stalin's NKVD (people commissariat for internal affair). I did not like him. I thought he was very bad.
Now, 45 years later, I believe he did a lot of good. Specifically, he liquidated many old Bolsheviks who destroyed Russia making a barbaric country out of it.
After all, Stalin was right: "who does not work does not eat".
I thought I was living in a great country of brave and free. Unfortunately, this country is gone.
Fuck, after all this years living in America, it is time to learn Chinese...
Tried of bush tax cuts that make no jobs !!!!!! end bush tax cuts september 1,2010 !!!!!!!!
TROLL Alert..if you didnt gather that..
I knew someone who looked into food stamps last year. When they didn't return the application the head of the local SS office called asking why.
Jesus I remember when you could barely get the time of day from SS and had to wait hours for an appointment.
I've also heard they are dumping people from welfare public assistance money to SSI money.
I see both as some directive from above to not make waves and give the newly empoored anything they want as fast as they can get it out.
I think I just heard Steve Liesman and Bob Pisani agree that this news in 100% bullish for US equities.
"Win for the bulls!"
I hope to see Pisani gored in Pampalona one day.
No need for Pasta Pisani to go all the way over to Pamplona. Just send him down here to Texas, where the horns are much, much longer; long enough to line up several CNBS clowns and gore them all at once.
We got a plan!
"We got a plan!"
I can help - I raise Texas Longhorns. Just line em' up, I'll run some big steers in with them. They'll know what to do, they can identify real bullshit from the smell!
I will bring the camera (and they beer)! We will make this into a Re'Al it T TV show! Cnbc gets skewered!
With Bob "Trust Me Folks Gold Is Going Nowhere" Pisani as the main ingredient, it will give a whole new meaning to Shish KaBOB.....
Silverman,
Every time I see your avatar, I burn with envy that I have no Longhorn's. I find myself consumed by the fact you raise them and I have none. Perhaps I even consider you my nemesis, you and your herd. I want two that look like Bevo. Ones with the really long classic horns. Also, I want one that I can ride. Not like a bucking one, but a tame one to ride. Please change your avatar. I can not take it any more.
"Also, I want one that I can ride"
Do you mean like this?:
http://home.windstream.net/dclonghorns/Events.html
and this?:
http://home.windstream.net/dclonghorns/DCMales.html
I know, the pages are a little dated. I spend way too much time on ZH. I should be updating the pictures and descriptions. Some of the younger ones are really maturing and showing their character. One has been "preserved". He didn't have quite the disposition that we need (Dry Creek Drifter), but he was made out of meat - so we utilized his other charms.
Silverman,
Is this you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPxerK83HxU
My daughter got to ride the one in the video.
Anyway, please change your avatar, and stop talking about longhorns. It is too cruel for those of us without them.
"Is this you?"
Nope, but I think that I do recognize that steer. I think he may be Super Czech, but I'm not certain. Love the Hawiian shirt. Makes me think of our president.
A calm, well trained steer that you can use for events (stunts) like this will sell more cattle than a business card.
I'll bet you can find my e-mail address off of one of the pages I linked to, above.
LSH: Been dyin to know. Are you a Longhorn or a Hog fan living behind enemy lines?
I think the 'hog' line is for the Harley.
Though there are lots of 'soooey, go! hogs!' fans in the Metroplex. I know more than a few.
Right. Didn't think of that.
Either way, Go Big Red! Can't wait for 10/16.
That made me laugh.
"I think I just heard Steve Liesman and Bob Pisani agree that this news in 100% bullish for US equities."
Think like they do - buy Cargill (privately held, issues debt), Kraft (KFT), or anyone else that processes or sells Food. This may be a new way to roll in a stealth QE-2, this time instead of propping up the auto or banking industry, they will support an American company that actually produces something everyone needs.
I wonder if it was Steve or Bob who junked you?
I'm guessing it was Bob. He's such a fucking douchebag.
Dow almost positive a/o 3:13 EDT
"I'm guessing it was Bob"
Nawwww. Bob was on line two with Timmay walking him through the endgame level of PPT - The Final Chapter (Part three).
It is bullish as it shows this county is so prosperous that we can give to a larger percentage of the population. Eat it 3rd World.
</sarcasm>
Sheesh Tyler! Everytime you post one of these articles I order another case of ammo. I already had to order another storage shed. :)
LoneStarHog
I gotta ask.
What are you doing for water?
Come the collapse no electricity for the pumps. If you have a hand pump no parts for that, unless you can forge your own.
How do you get around the potential water problem?
I have my own shallow well which sits atop a large aquifer of excellent water. The quality is superior. Water is the least of my worries.
LoneStarHog
I asked because I wasn't sure of a way around the water problem.
Got the land and planting and heat thing sussed, but water confounded me.
I guess if no well than dig a pond.
Two major rivers also converge at the edge of my place. If necessary I can always build a simple filtration system (sand & charcoal) with subsequent boiling for an unlimited supply. Fish, turtles, etc. are also plentiful.
An above ground pool also makes a great reservoir system. Clean water that is already filtered (up to "power-off" day) and sanitized. It came in handy when we lost power for two weeks after a hurricane. A generator also helps with the well when power is not otherwise available, and they have solar powered options for deep well pumps too.
If you are interested in having tanks pushed up on your property (dug ponds), then contact the NRCS. Tell them it is part of your soil conservation plan (rotate cattle on pastures, etc.) and they can fund up to 60% of the cost, plus they will do the engineering work and runoff calculations for free.
I suppose that will work - unless there is major water pollution as a result of your "collapse" scenario. Your simple filter won't cut it...and you'll need an army to protect any actual clean water.
No man is an island. Most of this survivalist talk is simply macho chest thumping. It is code for "I don't care about you - I care about me" - which makes you just like any of the other banksters that helped create this mess. You know a lot about survival? Help some people -- instead of bragging about guns.
Okay, Stuart "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and dog-gone it, people like me" Smalley, the first rule in a crisis is to save YOURSELF, then you can assist others. Does the scenario of the oxygen mask onboard an aircraft concerning a mother and child sound familiar?
Assistance to non-family is ONLY provided when it does not jeopardize your IMMEDIATE family. If you do not understand this, you WILL NOT SURVIVE.
Preparedness is NOT evil. I guess you were never a Boy Scout -- Be Prepared!
Maniac Researcher
I partially agree. The Guns crap is mostly macho posturing. Like people in each others face bitching about I'm gonna hit you. Real fighters just hit to stop, knockout, kill, no talk just boom.
One the other hand once you move beyond immediate family you have problems.
There is an old psychology game where five or six people are trapped, say a Doctor/Lawyer/Soldier/Priest/Generic Woman/and say a Hippie woman. They have a single gun and you need to decide just who to give the gun to.
Who are you going to hand power to and how do you know they will use it wisely?
Water is good. We have sufficient to run the house for several months drinking water. We have hand filters on order that can pull ditch water and make it drinkable a quart at a time.
We have enough to help a few folks at a time here and there. And fight off those who are hostile with weapons if need be. No chest thumping here. All of my neighbors are doing the same.
I junked you. (I always claim my junks)
Will you lay off the whiny bullshit knocking people who make an effort to take care of themselves? Now you're going at it thread to thread. You jump into the middle of a couple of guys talking about a well, spouting that "selfish" shit again?
How can I fucking help somebody if I'm already dead you effing douche? Who the fuck left it up to you to decide any of our motives?
Good of you to claim that junk! Own that junk! Once upon a time at Zero, junk was used to identify spam, double posts, and occasionally - comments that were waaay the fuck out of line. Interesting to see some of the space monkeys devolve to this level. The fucking halfwits on here who junk everyone they disagree with instead of providing a logical counter argument are stinking the place up.
Would love to see a list of the top ten junkers on ZH.