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Foodstamp Usage Climbs To New All Time Record Highs

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Wed, 10/06/2010 - 10:24 | 629002 Dagny Taggart
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Wouldn't it be cheaper for the gubmint to just send every American an apocalypse pallet from Costco?

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 10:57 | 629132 Thunder Dome
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The 'apocalpyse pallet' is marketing genius.  You should submit that one to Alex Jones.  I'd buy it!

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 11:23 | 629225 papaswamp
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Heck yea that stuff rocks!

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 12:24 | 629482 Ripped Chunk
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Or at least some more of that shitty tasting cheese they gave away a while back.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 13:20 | 629710 Henry Chinaski
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Never happen.  It's too hard to convert those pallets in to chips in Vegas, baby.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 10:24 | 629007 EscapeKey
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I don't get it. This counters all common sense. How can this keep going?


Wed, 10/06/2010 - 10:33 | 629038 Dr. Engali
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Just keep printing that's how.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 10:39 | 629069 kaiserhoff
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It's like the movies.  First, you must suspend disbelief.  Tequilla helps.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 12:25 | 629490 Ripped Chunk
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It can't. Prepare accordingly.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 13:10 | 629673 pan-the-ist
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All is well as long as they adjust the food stamps for inflation...

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 10:28 | 629021 fiftybagger
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Recession is over!

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 10:35 | 629047 Dr. Richard Head
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That's right, it's over.  Bring on the boom times baby.  Buy equities; buy homes, financials look good. /sarcasm

At least JPMorgan can make a killing with some sort of arbitrage on these stamps since they are the ones processing them.

Long live the FED!  We can paper this shit over easy ya'll.  Liquidity providers are necessary to keep the serfs in debt and on government assistance so that Xmas bonuses may be paid in full, perhaps a few mid-year bonuses as well.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 11:35 | 629265 DaveyJones
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recession is over, depression is on

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 10:31 | 629026 Bearster
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"...ehow we get the feeling these almost 42 million people will have little to no use of discount window or excess liquidity usage once gas hits $10 a gallon..."

Which is why gas won't hit $10 a gallon.  The demand isn't there to push up the price.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 10:35 | 629045 DonnieD
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Print enough money and it will.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 11:37 | 629276 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Bearster, I agree with you. Over the long haul, someone has to buy those future contracts. If the demand is not there, prices will not rise that high. I predict $1.25 per gallon gas in a year.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 12:26 | 629493 tmosley
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You sure?  When hundred dollar bills are floating down from the sky, gas will probably be going for a little more than it was in 1995.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 13:41 | 629770 ATTILA THE WIMP

Hey Vamp. I'll agree to fill up your tank if gas sinks to $1.25 if you'll agree to fill up my tank if it hits $5.00.

See ya next year.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 15:27 | 630130 SamuelMaverick
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If gas hits $4 per gallon again, you will see the same result as before in 2007/2008, it will contribute or cause the economy to crash again.   Yours, Maverick

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 11:42 | 629281 DaveyJones
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there is no substitute and they literally need it to build substitutes, the supply will begin falling substantially, there are plenty of entities that can not do without it, and these entities either have resource or can force it out of others.   

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 10:31 | 629027 kaiserhoff
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Would you rather have an ounce of gold, or a new pickup truck?  Careful now, you can feed your family forever with a pickup.  On Monday you drive to the local food bank.  On Tuesday, you have Pedro drive.  On Wednesday, Rosasharn...

Haven't read Grapes of Wrath yet?  What are you waiting for?

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 11:19 | 629209 CrockettAlmanac.com
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I don't recall there being a Pedro in Grapes.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 13:24 | 629725 kaiserhoff
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Not trying to do a plot summary of the Joads.  OK, the sarcasm gets a little thick.  Mea Culpa.  Just trying to point out that while the need is greater than ever, so is the abuse.

Most of the money for the "poor" goes to a self-selected permanent welfare class who live in section 8 housing for generations.  Most of the rest goes to the bureaucrats who feed them.  Still, yet, again, the government is broken.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 10:32 | 629028 egdeh orez
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Now that's a bullish stat

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 10:35 | 629050 EscapeKey
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It is - the more people on foodstamps, the more cash they have left in their hands after paying for groceries.


Wed, 10/06/2010 - 10:41 | 629072 hedgeless_horseman
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Strongly bullish for the blue team's election prospects, too.  Not that it really matters to us, but it does matter to those whose income is connected to public orifice.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 10:48 | 629094 scatterbrains
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not if they rudely continue to prohibit the cashing of welfare checks on cruise ships and such. That could hurt travel/casino buisness if they keep this up.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 11:02 | 629155 nedwardkelly
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Cost of living - food stamps = Extra money for iPads

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 10:31 | 629029 Gene Parmesan
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The Summer of Recovery is apparently over. What now? The Fall of... the Economy?

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 10:32 | 629033 Kreditanstalt
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It's increasingly meaningless...

How would a stock investor sell into a Dow 10,950 market with volume off 25%?

How would you sell into a Dow 12,000 market in which volume is down 70%?

How would one sell into a Dow 36,000 market in which volume is down 99.7%?

At some point stock holders, whoever ~ or whatever ~ they are, will begin to chase their tails and, ultimately, to consume one another... 

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 10:38 | 629059 EscapeKey
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Well, that, or the PDs profiting from PPT intervention. Which would essentially mean PDs outright stealing from taxpayers.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 10:51 | 629108 skohiu
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Prechter via Richard Russell


"I asked Bob Prechter what he sees for the future of the advisory business. His answer was that in five years, people will be so disgusted with the stock market that they won't care whether stocks are up or down."


Wed, 10/06/2010 - 10:33 | 629034 wintermute
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I don't know what a food stamp looks like but if it can be used as paper currency then maybe the Federal Reserve and its QE-infested FRNs can be kicked into touch.

Foodstamps! The next world reserve currency. Momentum is behind it.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 10:38 | 629065 Dr. Richard Head
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That's right.  Many don't know what fs look like.  JPMorgan apparently issues a credit/debit card like device so that the user can process their food stamp payment without the same emotional ties as the soup lines of the 30's.

This new technology allows for the invisible soup line to grow and grow without scaring the plebes.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 11:05 | 629143 wintermute
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Ah. Thanks for the info. So basically a government-charged debit card. It would look to the casual observer like any other card.

Appearances are everything. We are not in a depression because food queues are not seen.

The whole problem with this paradigm, where systemic stress is hidden, is that it is like a steam engine or pressure-cooker with a blocked release valve,. Everything can look perfectly normal - then "Shazam" the whole system disintegrates.

At least in the 1930s everyone could see the pain of economic failure and this is a mental kick for the whole country to fix itself. A Potemkin village ediface fools most people into not changing their fiscally unsound ways - until it is too late.



Wed, 10/06/2010 - 11:04 | 629165 nedwardkelly
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Yeah I've seen them at the supermarket. People whip out what essentially looks like a debit card. I don't know if it somehow filters what is or isn't eligible, or if it just straight up reduced teh grocery bill etc though. I mean, there is restrictions on what you can use it for right? .... right?

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 11:14 | 629194 FEDbuster
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Let's not forget that the Walmart CFO said their stores start to fill up with people around 10 PM on the last day of the month.  They fill their carts up with groceries and wait for midnight on the first for their foodstamp cards to recharge.  At 12:01 they start to check out.  He said stores see a significant jump in grocery sales on the first.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 16:12 | 630244 NotApplicable
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I just found an AP article discussing the 12:01 run.


Wed, 10/06/2010 - 11:28 | 629245 Dr. Richard Head
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There are federally mandated machines that handle the processing of these cards. Take a look at the checkout line next time you are in there.  Two different CC processing machines. The one you use is for CC and Debit, while the other is for welfare.

Never used one in my life.  Hope it doesn't come to that.  This is the only hope I have.  HAHA

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 12:15 | 629434 Blano
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Last month the guy in front of me at the grocery store had a Bridge card and he ran it through the same machine that I used for my debit card. 

Apparently you can also get cash out of those cards when you buying something.  Kid bought a Coke for $1.30 and the cashier then gave him $98.70 in cash....$100 total.  I wasn't even aware that was possible.  Frankly, I was rather disgusted.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 15:15 | 630096 NotApplicable
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That surprises me. I wonder if the cashier had to something to make it look like a $100 purchase?

Around here people have to sell them on the black market at a substantial discount in order to receive cash. One guy was buying them to supply his restaurant on the cheap.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 11:47 | 629302 fuu
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Strangely enough most junk food is covered and most healthy stuff is not. Go figure.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 12:16 | 629441 FEDbuster
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Industrial Processed Food Complex insures that Twinkies and Ding Dongs can be purchased.  At minimum, the Federal Food Stamp program should limit items available for purchase to the same ones as the Women and Infants (WIC) program. 

A recent "police story" on the local radio recounted how someone "loaned" (sold) their food stamp card to someone else so that person could buy a birthday cake and soda pop for their kids birthday party.  The amount of the payment between the two parties was disputed and it resulted in the two parties getting into a fist fight in front of the grocery store.  Police were called, the card returned and no charges were filled.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 12:34 | 629531 tmosley
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You can't use them for hot food, alcohol, or non-food products, and they only work in grocery stores.

My "next door" neighbor is blind, and I took her shopping a few times.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 13:28 | 629736 Henry Chinaski
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One card machine with Credit, debit, EBT buttons. 

EBT = electronic benefits transfer. 

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 13:37 | 629756 Dr. Richard Head
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We must be low on the governmnet totem pole.  We have two machines at most of our grocery stores here.  Good news is the stimulus money has allowed for the removal of all of the concrete from Rt. 2 and made way for all of it to be replaced from Perry to Cleveland.  Dig a hole and fill it baby.  No food stamps there.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 11:14 | 629191 economessed
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I don't know what a food stamp looks like...

Well, for the second week in a row, I've got a good look at them:  stuck in the line while the shopper completed their 3 payment transaction (ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE! - 10 minutes).

Transaction #1:  Use WIC check (WI food stamp equivalent) to pay for basic generic staples like milk, fruit loops, hot dog buns, etc.  Cashier having difficulty processing check, calls supervisor, who stares at the screen, presses lots of buttons, asks for ID, presses more buttons, and then leaves.  Cashier remains bewildered, asks neighboring cashier for further instructions.  Finally done!  But wait....

Transaction #2:  Use debit card to pay for Oreo cookies, 4 pack of "gourmet" root beer, Doritos, gallon of ice cream and small pile of miscellaneous processed foods.  Transaction #2 declined for ISF.  Leave gallon of ice cream and 2 jars of Ragu pasta sauce with cashier - reprocess sale - sale completes!  Are we done yet?  No.

Transaction #3:  Pull $20 bill out to pay for 12 pack "Keystone Light" and pack of generic cigarettes.  Cashier grabs and scans wrong cigs, needs to void transaction.  New cigs grabbed, money exchanged, transactions complete.  10 minutes elapsed time.

That's what food stamps look like:  slow, annoying, and patchwork in nature.  And I remain skeptical that this couple needed them.  Having seen people in dire need but without assistance, I get angry.  Humph.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 11:51 | 629317 DaveyJones
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well at least it's light beer and generic cigs. Wouldn't want to abuse the subsidies.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 15:08 | 630076 Whats that smell
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Yea I know what you mean. I avoid the first week of the month at the grocery. Plus all the checkout girls are pissed they have to work on the 1st

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