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Former Deputy Defense Minister Says Israel May Be Compelled To Attack Iran's Nuclear Facilities By November

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Who would have thought that Obama's fate would be decided not by his
passage of the "historic" healthcare reform, or his pathological
inability to disengage from the kleptos on Wall Street, or even the
exponential growth in the US debt, but by what is shaping up to be a
November (potentially Nuclear) D-Day out in the middle east. Pakistani
newspaper The Nation, quotes former Israeli defense minister Ephraim Sneh, who in an Op-Ed in Haaretz, says that "Israel will be compelled to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities by this November unless
the US and its allies enact crippling sanctions that will undermine the
regime in Tehran." It appears that Israel is not taking the recent
deterioration in its relations with the US lightly. If China and the
whole botched CNY issue is any indication of just how incompetent and
impotent US foreign policy has become, Obama has about 6 months before
the defense/war complex sounds the victory horn (and the president gets
to experience first hand just how much better unemployment in this
country really is getting) in the shadow of the mushroom cloud.

More from the Nation:

In an Op-Ed in the Israeli left-wing daily, Haaretz, former deputy defence minister Brig-Gen Ephraim Sneh argues that Iran will probably have “a nuclear bomb or two” by 2011. “An Israeli military campaign against Iran’s nuclear installations is likely to cripple that country’s nuclear project for a number of years. The retaliation against Israel would be painful, but bearable,” he said. Sneh believes that the “acquisition of nuclear weapons by Iran during Obama’s term would do him a great deal of political damage,” but that the damage to Obama resulting from an Israeli strike on Iran “would be devastating.” November is the time for elections in the United States.

Nevertheless, he writes, “for practical reasons, in the absence of genuine sanctions, Israel will not be able to wait until the end of next winter, which means it would have to act around the congressional elections in November, thereby sealing Obama’s fate as president.” Sneh says he does not foresee any U.S. military strikes on Iran. In a recent report for the Centre for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), military analyst Anthony Cordesman concluded that Israel will have to use low-yield earth-penetrating nuclear weapons if it wants to take out deeply-buried nuclear sites in Iran.

“Israel is reported to possess a 200 kilogram nuclear warhead containing 6 kilograms of weapons-grade plutonium that could be mounted on the sea launched cruise missiles and producing a Yield of 20 kilo tons,” Cordesman writes in the CSIS study he co-authored by Abdullah Toukan.

As possible nuclear war is a somewhat sensitive issue, we decided to track down Sneh's original Op-Ed. We present it below.

The current crisis between Israel and the United
States is fundamental and serious. Even if a nominal solution is found,
it will be temporary, until the next one, which won't be far off. These
crises are harmful to our national interests, and a true, enduring
solution must be implemented. To achieve this, there are 10 assumptions
that must be taken into account:

1. Israel cannot keep up a confrontation with its friends for long
while its legitimacy is being eroded. This will soon begin to adversely
affect the economy, based as it is on exports.

2. Without a genuine pause in settlement expansion
and construction in East Jerusalem, Israel will continue to lose the
support of friends and international legitimacy.

3. Israel cannot live in the shadow of a nuclear
Iran. Immigration will cease, more young people will emigrate and
foreign investments will diminish. An Israel that is no longer a safe
home for Diaspora Jews and is not characterized by entrepreneurship and
excellence means an end to the Zionist dream.

A nuclear Iran will increase the audacity of the region's
extremists, threaten the moderates and lead within a few years to the
acquisition of nuclear weapons by Saudi Arabia and Egypt. The regional
balance of power will change to Israel's disadvantage.

4. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, in accordance with his strong
beliefs on this matter, cannot allow himself to be the leader on whose
watch Iran acquires nuclear weapons.

5. In the absence of "crippling sanctions" that will undermine the
regime in Tehran, it is reasonable to assume that by 2011 Iran will
have a nuclear bomb or two.

6. An Israeli military campaign against Iran's nuclear
installations is likely to cripple that country's nuclear project for a
number of years. The retaliation against Israel would be painful, but

7. U.S. President Barack Obama would find it difficult, if only for
internal political reasons, to take military action against Iran and
thereby open a new theater for war, in addition to Iraq and

8. The acquisition of nuclear weapons by Iran during Obama's term
would do him a great deal of political damage. The damage that the
resulting independent Israeli strike would cause Obama - soaring
gasoline prices and American casualties in retaliatory operations -
would be devastating.

9. For practical reasons, in the absence of genuine sanctions,
Israel will not be able to wait until the end of next winter, which
means it would have to act around the congressional elections in
November, thereby sealing Obama's fate as president

10. Without international legitimacy, and with its friends mad at it, Israel would find it very difficult to act on its own.

These 10 assumptions show how complicated the situation is.
Weighing them up with each other begs a single solution to the crisis
with the United States: quit building. Israel should enact an
open-ended freeze of settlement and outpost expansion, refrain from
building new neighborhoods in East Jerusalem and stop construction for
Jews in Arab neighborhoods.

The United States, independently of the UN Security Council, where
sanctions would be shorn of any teeth, would implement its legislation
on sanctions against Iran (an embargo on the sale of fuel and on
investment in and upgrades for Iran's oil and gas industries, and a
total boycott of its banking system). In so doing, it would be joined
by its natural partners and important European states.

Only such an integrated solution would meet both America's and
Israel's security requirements. The prime minister would find a
majority in the Knesset that would rather have cooperation with the
United States on this matter of survival than please the extreme right

The writer is a former cabinet minister and chairman of the Center for Strategic Dialogue at Netanya Academic College.


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Mon, 04/05/2010 - 22:32 | 287857 Truth Excavator
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Not if the U.S beat them to it.

Kristol: U.S strike on Iran better than Israeli strike



Tue, 04/06/2010 - 00:19 | 288048 Bear
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Read the posts for this video ... a real talent laden group over there

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 06:19 | 288259 jeff montanye
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some are obviously using a language not their native tongue, but not a one supported israel.  imo anything remotely like what sneh proposes would deeply alter, probably irrevocably, the u.s. people's (as opposed to the frightened and bought government's) perception of and support for israel.  and not a moment too soon (actually about 43 years late).

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 00:44 | 288079 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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That PNAC son of a bitch!  Yeah I am talking about his father!  9/11 was an inside job!

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 04:42 | 288220 chindit13
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Another goddamn fucking chickenhawk, along with Cheney, Perl, Adelman, Wolfowitz, Feith.  The only solution any of them knows to any problem is for somebody other than them to blow up somebody else.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 06:05 | 288255 jeff montanye
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well and truly said.

Wed, 04/07/2010 - 00:20 | 289388 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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How the hell did this get **junked**????!!!

All he said was that the said men....or as I like to call them, devil worshiping inbreds......were quote, "chickenhawks".  And their only solution is to start wars!  Thats what they do.  And they are chickens!  Why didn't Irv's son Billy boy serve some time in the infantry?  Why don't any of these windbags send their kids?  I would have loved to see the Bush twins in uniform...'nawadimean?  hehe ;) 

Well, fear monger, and write movie reviews in their stupid magazines. Don't you have something better to do, Podheretz?!?!?!?!  Man, running (ruining) the world must get boring. 

Avatar by John Podheretz:

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 09:38 | 288394 Missing_Link
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Not if the U.S beat them to it.

Kristol: U.S strike on Iran better than Israeli strike

TruthExcavator, while I personally support both wars and would like nothing better than to see the Iranian regime pounded into the dirt, it's clearly not going to happen on Obama's watch.  Why even bother pissing people off with irresponsible statements like this?

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 12:42 | 288643 Truth Excavator
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O ye, of little faith.

Why do you doubt that the American war machine is not going to start another war? If they have to, they will get rid of Obama just as they did of Osama.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 21:28 | 289252 Missing_Link
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O, ye of little brains!

It's obvious that the current wars have very little support left, and any attempt at yet another front would face massive resistance not only from anti-war lefties but from those of us on the right who want smaller government and balanced budgets.

A war machine feeds off of public support as its fuel, and our tank is almost empty.


If they have to, they will get rid of Obama just as they did of Osama.


Ummm  ...  What are you smoking?


Last I checked, Osama was still on the loose.

Wed, 04/07/2010 - 00:17 | 289389 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Link, how often do you junk me?

Mon, 04/05/2010 - 22:33 | 287866 buzzsaw99
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I love those last two paragraphs. Hey Israel, kiss my booty. You want a war with Iran go right ahead. Maybe we won't shoot down your planes. That's the only concession. The gall to dictate to the usa and europe to do as they say and thumb our noses at the UN. How about this, pack your shit and move. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

Mon, 04/05/2010 - 22:43 | 287883 orange juice
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 It's about Iran being run by someone who is completely unsound and definately not stable. Like Israel or not, Iran does not need access to nuclear material period.  Europe would be within range, dirty bombs could profligate the region it would be an absolute mess of a disaster.

Mon, 04/05/2010 - 22:50 | 287891 buzzsaw99
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So pre-emptive nukes are the answer? Starving people who are unable to effect change within Iran is the answer? How about we throw the ruler of Iran and the ruler of israel into the octogon for a death match instead? It is unacceptable for either country to have nukes.

Mon, 04/05/2010 - 23:25 | 287964 Spitzer
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Its because of people like you that make these problems get out of control. We should have bombed them a long time ago

Mon, 04/05/2010 - 23:51 | 288006 MagicHandPuppet
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I agree with Spitzer... we should have bombed Israel a long time ago.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 00:23 | 288055 Bear
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Wow ... I thought the posts at YouTube were bad ... why so much anti semitism?

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 00:56 | 288098 MagicHandPuppet
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'twas sarcasm.... I honestly don't think anyone should be bombed... just pointing out how stupid the previous post was ("we should have bombed 'them' a long time ago").  Regarding anti-semitism, I don't care what race or religion anyone is.  That is all pointless crap.  But, regarding the Israeli goobermint, they along with the US goobermint are the aggressors and their semite neighbors are the victims.  peace.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 03:56 | 288208 merehuman
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maybe because so many folks in the white house are jewish? And have israely passports?

For a multi cultural country like ours, thats a hell of a coincidence

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 05:46 | 288250 anony
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Blankein,geithner,orszag,bernanke,summers,paulson,greenspan,rubin,friedman,fuld,frank,thain,dodd,mozillo,o'neal,gensler, cassano, blankfein, shapiro,yellin, fink,kashkari,blankfein.

Imagine, if you will, that their names were instead:

Corleone, tattaglia, genovese, rossi, rocco, assante, lovecchio, gotti, o'leary, mannella, lombardo, roma, sinatra,capone,luciano.

Think there might be a little anti-sicilianism?



Tue, 04/06/2010 - 06:40 | 288270 jeff montanye
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when oh bloody when will israel firsters stop using anti-semitism (itself a poor term, for arabs are also semites) as a false flag for anti-israel (or, more properly, anti-zionist or anti-likud or anti-war criminals headquartered in tel aviv/jerusalem)?  answer: never; it helps with an argument that on its own merits is without merit.  created as a "safe haven" for jews after the crimes of the nazis horrified the world, israel is the only place where jews are routinely killed for being jewish.  general george marshall was right: harry truman never should have supported its establishment.  jews would have been far, far safer (as would we) had they stayed right where they were at the end of ww2.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 08:22 | 288323 I am a Man I am...
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Israel is one of the most, if not the most, racist places on the planet.  Do you think the "jewish state" wants multiculturalism?  No.  Do you think they are going to stop their expansion of settlements into land that is not theirs so jews can live?  No.  

I have plenty of jewish friends, but the State of Israel is a menace to society, just like the Government of the US.

If there was a terrorist problem in the US, at least one of these neocons would have had an assassination attempt.  Has not happened.


Wed, 04/07/2010 - 01:10 | 289429 Otrader
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Tue, 04/06/2010 - 00:53 | 288090 caconhma
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You are right.

Regardless of how many nukes Israel has, it will take just 2-3 nukes to wipe them out permanently.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 06:04 | 288251 anony
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If they don't want to go peacefully, it's their funeral. But they are taunting Iran ONLY because they know that when push comes to shove, NO american POTUS in hock to AIPAC, and other jewish lobbies, will dare to back down.  Israel knows, whether the guy who wrote the article or not does, that the american government is already bought and stamped paid for by jewish power in this country.



Tue, 04/06/2010 - 10:09 | 288425 tmosley
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2-3 nukes won't do much good against their fleet of nuclear submarines, which would turn any attacking nation into glass.

Nukes promote peace--always.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 06:28 | 288262 jeff montanye
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maybe not bombed it but certainly not armed it to the teeth, countenanced their doing to the palestinians, et. al. what is remarkably like what the nazis did to european jews before maybe 1942, allowed it to develop nuclear weapons in violation of u.s. law (actually true--check it out) and brought down the well-deserved wrath of muslims on our ignorant nation such that we are fighting endless war in the muslim world so as to end whatever american empire existed (shouldn't have) in bankruptcy and infamy.  ike was right at suez.  we should have stuck with that.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 09:51 | 288404 Optimusprime
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At the very least we should make it clear we WILL shoot down the Israeli jets if they try to "go it alone" by overflying territory under our air control.  Israeli sub-launched missiles are another problem entirely.  

The notion that WE should do Isael's dirty work is odious.  There is already "proliferation" in the Middle East, from Israel--who stole nuclear technology from the US.  Ever hear of Jonathan Pollard?  The hypocrisy (treachery?) of the neo-cons is breathtaking.



Tue, 04/06/2010 - 19:40 | 289182 akak
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"I agree with Spitzer... we should have bombed Israel a long time ago."

Hear hear!

I have yet to see that 51st star that Israel apparently represents on Old Glory.

And THREE "Junk" stars for your tongue-in-cheek post!  My, isn't the Mossad troll brigade busy today!

Mon, 04/05/2010 - 23:29 | 287973 Shameful
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All wars problems should be solved with cage match to the death by the country leaders. televised of course.  Might bring some peace if these guys had some skin in the game.  What should they care, they will order the boys to war and while they improvise the country and bring about loss of life they line their pockert.s  Let them fight first.  Imagine if Bush had to duke it out mano-a-mano with Saddam?

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 08:04 | 288314 nedwardkelly
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"Imagine if Bush had to duke it out mano-a-mano with Saddam?"

That's the first time I've ever seen a fight proposed that I'd pay to watch on PPV.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 11:43 | 288556 1fortheroad
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Now thats something I would pay to see.

Mon, 04/05/2010 - 23:11 | 287940 Shameful
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Hmm lets expand this out.  So who is stable?  How about Chavez?  What if he could buy a nuke from Russia?  We better take him out...Russia to because they could see a nuke.  Pakistan is unstable and has a nuke, invade them to.  Why not simply pre-emptive strike the planet?  Hell with a global decapitation strike we could remove all possible enemies and get rid of our external debt!  Get the president on the line I have a solution to all out problems!  Declare war on all other nations!!!  America will only be safe if all other nations are nothing but mounds of smoking glass and radioactive dust!

/sarcasm of course

Mon, 04/05/2010 - 23:33 | 287978 b_thunder
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if chavez gets clsoe to getting the bomb - you betcha he'll be taken out.  do the words "cuban missile crisis" mean anythign to you?

of course, it would be better to take out kremlin, before they sell their nukes to chavez


Mon, 04/05/2010 - 23:40 | 287988 Shameful
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Again why not take out all other nations right now?  After all we are going to have problems in the future and might not be able to afford a super bloated military?  Why not attack the whole planet right now?

Why is the USA allowed to have the nuke when we are the only nation to use it on another?  What threat is there if anther nation having one?  Didn't the Soviets have them for a while, even with a cold war?

If you're for a massive war good on you.  I expect you to volunteer to fight, or buy war bonds.  You should probably volunteer right now, sure they could use a person like you in the service.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 06:48 | 288274 jeff montanye
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your points are very well taken.  nickels to napalm the thunderous one has never seen combat, but even if he (and it's almost always a he) has, he's still ludicrously wrong.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 08:39 | 288340 I am a Man I am...
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Don't forget that the US will need to declare war on US too, because it is a potential threat.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 09:41 | 288396 Schlep
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That's right, "we have always been at war with Eurasia"

Mon, 04/05/2010 - 23:22 | 287957 sporb
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I guess you mean Ahmadinejad. He doesn't run the country. Facts are available.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 00:20 | 288052 Anomymous
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...not interested in facts thanks.These pussies wanna bomb some shit.



Tue, 04/06/2010 - 00:44 | 288081 delacroix
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israel is the only undeclared nuclear power in the world. iran, has complied with every IAEA regulation, and signed the non proliferation treaty. israel is the only country, threatening attack. so who is the unstable leadership. the intentional blindness is staggering

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 15:59 | 288977 hangemhigh
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These are indeed are the true facts of the matter at hand............

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 05:01 | 288225 Alexandra Hamilton
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and you think that attacking Iran with nuclear weapons is a sane man's decision???

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 00:12 | 288036 dark pools of soros
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I always said just give them Idaho.. call it New Jewland for all i care just get outta the business of worshipping old dirt

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 09:06 | 288372 E pluribus unum
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If we did that, they'd immediately declare war on Montana

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 03:15 | 288187 Popo
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LOL. And who wouldn't "thumb their noses at the UN?". Is there some reason a coalition of mostly non-democratic nations should have some sort of global influence?

Israel should hit them now. Iran is the one thumbing their noses at the NPT. And Iran is the nation with a long and established history of supplying arms to terrorist groups. Fuck 'em. The Iranian people need to either overthrow their leadership (right now) or go down the road to Hell that their leadership is taking them down.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 07:08 | 288284 jeff montanye
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"non-democrat"?  when do the arabs in the israeli-occupied (for nearly half a century) lands get to vote for knesset candidates?  non-proliferation treaty?  israel doesn't admit its arsenal of nukes.  if it did, according to current u.s. law, the u.s. govt would be restricted in its assistance to israel.  arms to terrorist groups?  israel was established by terrorism (king david hotel, etc.) and its hegemony cemented by a terrorist (menachem begin) not to mention a long line of war criminals.  america's subservience to israel is both deeply evil and deeply impractical.  it is a further, egregious example of the kind of vanities (the wars on drugs and terrrism may be others) that the coming bonfire of bankruptcy will consume.   

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 07:37 | 288298 Popo
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> "non-proliferation treaty? israel doesn't admit its arsenal of nukes."

Uh... maybe because Israel, not being a signatory to the NPT is under absolutely no obligation to report its nuclear arsenal to anyone?

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 08:27 | 288330 Grappa
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" The Iranian people need to either overthrow their leadership (right now) or go down the road to Hell that their leadership is taking them down."


That leadership is there because US of A decided that the democraticly chosen and legit regime which was before this one had to be erased. So now we are dealing with something that we have AGAIN caused ourselves. Keep on killing boys, there will be more terrorists than ever after this.


Also you can say this: " The American people need to either overthrow their leadership (right now) or go down the road to Hell that their leadership is taking them down." about americans as well.

Mon, 04/05/2010 - 22:39 | 287879 Crab Cake
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"I am become death, destroyer of worlds," - J Robert Oppenheimer (Bhahavad Gita)

It is only a matter of time before Shiva dances. 

Economic earthquakes of the size and magnitude we are experiencing are always followed by tsunamis of war.


Tue, 04/06/2010 - 01:55 | 288145 Trial of the Pyx
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Potassium Iodide Bitchez

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 03:50 | 288203 Escapeclaws
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Wed, 04/07/2010 - 06:25 | 289498 swanpoint
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"i am time, the destroyer of worlds"

Sat, 04/10/2010 - 14:29 | 294746 Crab Cake
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If we're going to get technical.... Oh, and Oppenheimer said it as quoted.  :)

This famous quote is from the Eleventh Chapter of the Bhagavad-gita, entitled Visva-Rupa-Darsana-yoga, or the "Yoga of Theophany", the chapter in which Krishna displays His Universal form--His divine Opulence--to Arjuna


In full, the verse is as follows:

sri-bhagavan uvaca:
kalo 'smi loka-ksaya-krt pravrddho
lokan samahartum iha pravrttah /
rte 'pi tvam na bhavisyanti sarve
ye 'vasthitah pratyanikesu yodhah //


The Lord said: "Time [death] I am, the destroyer of the worlds, who has come to annihilate everyone. Even without your taking part all those arrayed in the [two] opposing ranks will be slain!"

(Gita vs. 11.32

Mon, 04/05/2010 - 22:41 | 287881 Shameful
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Sweet!  So you are telling me we have till at least Nov before Israel starts WW3?  Shit I think I may have to throw a party "8 more months to midnight!  Woo!!!"

This is all theater though, know beyond a shadow of a doubt we will back Israel.  It's more certain then a sunrise.  Both sides of the one party love Israel totally and absolutely. 

Mon, 04/05/2010 - 22:52 | 287907 non-anon
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Zionism is highly revered by many Christians in the US. AIPAC has influenced D.C. for decades. Zionism is tightly woven into the fabric of America.

Mon, 04/05/2010 - 23:53 | 288010 jory
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Ben Shalom Bernanke

Alan Greenspan

Tim Geithner

Larry Summers

Bob Rubin

Paul Volcker

David Axelrod

Rahm Emanuel


Tue, 04/06/2010 - 04:43 | 288221 MarketTruth
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"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that... I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." --- Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001


The oldest/longstanding Washington DC reporter
Helen Thomas on her very first question for Obama
Helen is far smarter as with one question she now knows who owns Obama and the Israeli regime he will abide by. Helen has been a journalist for a long time and knew what to ask to then know who owns the Obama admin.

Mon, 04/05/2010 - 23:26 | 287968 sporb
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It's called Theatre. (Sorry: "Theater" for the provincials.)  Bibi doesn't get a dinner invitation and now - all bets are off. Obama gets to be a tough guy and the Shock Doctrine persists.

Mon, 04/05/2010 - 23:58 | 288018 Mad Max
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Except Dick Cheney.

Mon, 04/05/2010 - 22:48 | 287892 alien-IQ
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That article is, once again, proof (as if more were needed), that Israel does indeed have nuclear weapons. Since they are in possession of these weapons without being a signatory to the NNPT, according to the Symington Amendment it is ILLEGAL for the US to provide financial support, weapons or even trade with Israel...So perhaps our government should be reminded of it's own laws and be forced to suspend all aid to Israel.

What's it going to take to get Israel to stop attacking it's neighboring countries? How long will we continue to not just tolerate but finance this madness? When is enough enough?


Mon, 04/05/2010 - 23:02 | 287915 Nihilarian
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Madness it is.  But I think there's some truth to the following statement and subsequent map.

If the Palestinians lay down their arms tomorrow, there will be peace in the middle east. If the Jews lay down their arms, Israel will cease to exist.

Mon, 04/05/2010 - 23:14 | 287946 alien-IQ
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Palestinians can't lay down their arms because they lay down on their arms...Their arms are called rocks...also known as "what was formerly their homes".

The degree to which Americans have been brainwashed and propagandized about what's really taking place in the middle east will go down in history as one of the greatest COINTEL Programs of all time.

Never in the history of mankind have so many stupid people been huddled together on one continent. It is truly one of the great wonders of the world. Hopefully this species will follow the way of the DoDo Bird and be extinct by virtue of it's stupidity....It would be the merciful thing...for the sake of the rest of the world.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 03:36 | 288197 No More Bubbles
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Yes, it is indeed astounding.  People have the greatest technological advantage of anyone who has ever lived before, but yet, they all dick around with Porn, Facebook and other worthless nonsense when they could actually research and learn what is really going on in the world and why it is the way it is, and of course, who controls it all.......

Mon, 04/05/2010 - 23:57 | 288017 jory
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There will be peace when Israel ceases to exist but not before then.



Tue, 04/06/2010 - 07:45 | 288307 cephalo
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Tue, 04/06/2010 - 10:17 | 288435 tmosley
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Israel need not cease to exist, it simply needs to become a Democracy, and end apartheid.  Minority rule tends to get the majority a bit riled, especially when the majority are brutally repressed, murdered at random, and stolen from.

Jews lived in Israel for 2000 years, right alongside Muslims and Christians--until the zionists arrived in the late 1800's and started stirring up shit.  The Jews that lived there were related to the Arabs and the Christians, and in fact, the returning Jews are merely long lost cousins of the Muslims, who are the same people, but merely converted during the Muslim expansion.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 11:30 | 288533 A Texan
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You're correct that Jews lived in what is now called Israel for most of the last 2,000 years (1,878, to be exact), alongside Arabs (pre-Mohammed), Christians and Moslems. 


Mostly as 2nd class citizens, or objects of persecution, or victims of massacres.  In a land that, for roughly 1,000 years prior to the last 2,000, had belonged to their ancestors - until the brutal Roman occupation and destruction of that homeland, and the putting down of a Jewish revolt in 135 that was more bloody than the war from 66-70 that resulted in the destruction of the Jewish State and the Temple.  Then a variety of rulers, mostly Moslem, decided that they liked the spoils and refused to allow any Jewish sovereignty.


The Zionists who arrived starting in the late 1800's merely sought to reclaim and rebuild what once existed there for 1,000 years, a Jewish homeland that had been stolen from their ancestors.  The Moslems have 20+ countries in which Islam is the official religion.  Christians have dozens of countries in which they are the decided majority, even if their religion isn't the official one.  The world has made it abundantly clear over the past 2,000 years that it doesn't want Jews living among them - so what is so terribly wrong if one single country, existing on a tiny patch of land that once belonged to their ancestors, were to be the Jewish homeland?  What is so horrible about that?


The plain and simple fact is that from the beginning of Zionism it was contemplated and accepted that the local population would continue to live there and have rights.  The Zionist leaders, and later the leaders of Israel, offered on MANY occasions to split leadership of the new state with the Arabs; begged and pleaded with them to live as neighbors and not as enemies - and ALL of those offers were categorically rejected.   Despite that rejection, Israeli Arabs have more rights and a much better life than any Arabs anywhere else except the princes, sultans, etc.  Meanwhile, in lands controlled by the Palestinian leadership (Fatah or Hamas, take your pick), the population is essentially enslaved by a criminal class.  A criminal class that has absolutely NO room for any State of Israel, that cannot even admit its right to exist, that would without any doubt slaughter every single Jew over there if it had the opportunity and means. 


Becoming a "democracy?"  What a crock of horsedung!  Israel is the only true democracy in the entire region, and the fact that there are Moslem Arabs opposed to the very existence of Israel serving in its parliament, elected by their own people who are citizens of Israel, is evidence of that.  Apartheid?  BS.  Israel would treat the Arabs of the occupied territories (occupied because they were used by Egypt, Jordan and Syria to attack Israel on numerous occasions, I remind you) just as it treats its citizens if only those people would cease trying to attack Israel and Israeli citizens.


Note that the PLO was founded well before the 1967 war, and that its aim was the destruction of the State of Israel, that its charter hasn't been changed to recognize any right of Israel to exist as a nation, and that its flag still has the map of the entire British Mandate of Palestine - which includes ALL territory of the State of Israel.  Why do I bring that up?  To demonstrate that Israel has no one with whom to negotiate or compromise - every time Israel compromises in some fashion, it gets nothing, no change whatsoever in the aims of the Palestinians.  The Arabs are fond of saying that it took 100 years to get rid of the Christians, and that they're willing to wait 100 years to get rid of the Jews.


As for Iran, the subject of this thread, it has funded and armed Hezbollah in Lebanon (among other groups).  Hezbollah, which kidnapped Israeli soldiers IN ISRAEL and then rained literally thousands of rockets on Israeli towns and cities.  Iran's government has threatened to destroy Israel on numerous occasions, and they are close to developing nuclear weapons.  They have rockets that can reach Israel (and all of Europe, btw).  So, what is Israel supposed to do when facing an existential threat from Iran - sit around with their thumbs up their ass?  What would WE do if such a threat presented itself to us?  What DID we do to Germany and Japan within living memory, because we believed (as do I, at least with respect to Germany) that they presented an existential threat to us?


As for the Moslems in Israel and the disputed territories all being descended of former Jews who were converted to Islam (on pain of death, FYI), that is simply nonsense.  Some are, no doubt.  But many more are far more recent immigrants - from Syria, from Southeastern Europe (Bosnia, etc. - encouraged to move their by the Turks) and from Egypt.  Arafag himself was born an Egyptian. 


I point out all of this so that you and the others on this thread that have little or no sympathy (or, in some cases, great antipathy) whatsoever for Israel can know the FACTS.  I am in no way claiming that the government of Israel, from 1948 to the present, was or is perfect.  Just like all other governments, it makes mistakes and it has motives of its own.  However, in comparison to those surrounding it and in conflict with it, Israel as a nation and its government have a LOT less flaws.  You don't see Israelis crashing planes into our buildings, hijacking our aircraft, kidnapping and beheading our citizens or those of our allies, do you?  Yet ALL of those actions are supported - openly or tacitly - by the governments of every single Arab Moslem nation.  In picking between the nations of that region, Americans and Europeans have an easy choice, so easy that it really isn't even a choice at all.


Tue, 04/06/2010 - 00:15 | 288042 scofflaw
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I'm going to assume history is not your strong suit?  Really quite amazing how much ignorance you can you pack into 7 lines of text.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 00:29 | 288062 alien-IQ
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what "7 lines of text" are you referring to genius?

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 09:36 | 288391 jeff montanye
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i liked lie down on their arms which are called rocks, formerly their homes.  ultimately it isn't what happens to brave little israel that's as important (to me) as what happens to the u.s. we have got to look to our own geopolitical welfare which, increasingly, is not linked to israel's.

Mon, 04/05/2010 - 22:49 | 287901 EllisWyattOTC
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This is the only legit reason for $100+ Oil this year, I don't think this is a huge probability but they could raise some hell with SS-N-22 Sunburn fired at some Oil tankers in the Straits of Hormuz.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 00:35 | 288070 Anomymous
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It will never happen. Ramblings of a former fuck. Aber if they do Ich sagt $300 to $500 easy.

Mon, 04/05/2010 - 22:50 | 287902 YesWeCanButLetsNot
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Who'da thought that the ex-community-organizer - who's never run much of anything, has little political experience, is a case-study narcissist, but read Saul Alinsky and has a good set of lungs - would run into trouble as Leader/Dismantler of the Free World?



Tue, 04/06/2010 - 00:33 | 288068 Bear
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It's a zillion people believing that the young black kid should be given a chance to run the country in the most harrowing time in history (Oct-Nov 2008). It was a really dumb anti Bush vote.

Mon, 04/05/2010 - 22:53 | 287910 numbers
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There is no way in hell the US will hit Iran. Take it to the bank, folks. NO WAY IN HELL. If  Iran's nuclear program is goning to be set back, it will have to be Israel that makes the strike. No way will the Appeaser-In-Chief even consider such action. I pray to God that Israel makes the strike and takes out as much of Iran's nuke production as possible. A nuclear Iran would be the initial step to Armaggedon. They must be stopped.... period. And the Apologizer-In-Chief knows it but does not have the balls to do what any sane person know must be done.

Mon, 04/05/2010 - 23:05 | 287931 alien-IQ
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"They must be stopped"???????????

When did we get this blood thirsty? This is not a game man? This is not a fucking play station video. Just remember that the same people that are feeding you all this bullshit about Irans desire for Nuclear weapons are the same propagandists that sold you the bullshit about Iraqs WMD's...and how did that turn out?

Furthermore, Iran has the right to develop nuclear power because they are a signatory to the NNPT...Israel on the other hand is NOT and thus HAS NO FUCKING RIGHT to have nuclear weapons, nuclear power and by extension NO RIGHT TO US FINANCIAL OR MILITARY AID! BY LAW!

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 00:18 | 288047 dark pools of soros
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let our lap dog earn its own meal for once..  such a yenta country

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 00:54 | 288093 delacroix
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the initial step to armageddon, occured, when brittain gave another peoples country, to the zionists, and then, we stood by, and let them steal nuclear secrets, and build an arsenal. infiltrate our political system,and dominate world banking. they will destroy themselves, but they will take a lot of us with them. they suffer from a soul sickness, they worship their own egos

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 09:41 | 288397 jeff montanye
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i think the use of "balls" and "sane" in the same sentence needs to be a corollary of godwin's law.

Mon, 04/05/2010 - 22:57 | 287914 THE DORK OF CORK
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The Tail wagging the dog again - this is beyond obscene

If / when Iran gets the bomb it would not dare to use its limited weapons against a opponent with thousands of warheads - it would not make any sense and surly the lesson from the American middle east experience is that Iran is a rational opponent.

As for Israel it is drunk with power - believing that it has control of all corridors of power within the western realm , if the debt money system collapses it will have nothing but old folk tales of once great solomon kings who vanquished stronger opponents on the great battlefield of ideas.

Mon, 04/05/2010 - 23:13 | 287944 Shameful
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Iran is not a threat.  But if they did get a nuke it would be harder to bully them, and then Israel would be alone in their sphere with a nuke.  Israel knows what's hapening, they need to get the US into action and fighting for them as fast as possible.  Their big daddy protector is bleeding to death and they want another ride on his shoulders.

Mon, 04/05/2010 - 23:24 | 287962 THE DORK OF CORK
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It seems to me that Iran is a rational power willing to use both force and diplomacy to achieve it ends like any other large regional power.

Israel is in a truly megalomaniac state and is showing all the signs of national psychosis - if they want a simple lesson about how things can go wrong by over extension and the use of a proxy they should sit down and watch old reruns of Pinky and the Brain

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 00:07 | 288029 chet
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The myth of the "irrational threat" renders foreign policy basically meaningless, which of course is why they use it.  Remember that Saddam Hussein was supposedly a madman whose motivations we could never possibly understand.  "So why try?"

The only course in such cases is war.  When you hear people talking like this it's because they've already made up their minds.  And Israel has been talking like this about Iran for many many years now.  I'm just surprised they couldn't talk Bush into it.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 00:44 | 288083 Bear
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Pretty simple ... Ahmadinejad and the Supreme Leader are committed to the annihilation of Israel

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 00:54 | 288092 Shameful
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Wasn't the Soviet Union committed to the destruction of America, freedom, and capitalism?  Why didn't we invade them?  You can't tell me Iran, who does not have a nuke, is more dangerous then a nuclear armed Soviet Union.  Or is this really about exerting control and taking oil?

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 19:21 | 289169 A Texan
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Yes, but the Soviets were rational.  Evil, but rational.  They knew that we'd nuke the crap out of them if they attacked us, and that there would be no winner in the conventional sense of the word.


Iran IS different.  Its leaders, the Mullahs, would never allow someone like Ahwannajihad be the public face of the regime if they didn't share beliefs...and a key part of their belief system is that the 12th Imam (their version of the Messiah) cannot come and make everything perfect (according to their P.O.V.) unless there is great turmoil, specifically including war.  They believe that they can hasten the coming of the 12th Imam by starting up a war with the infidels, most specifically "the Great Satan" (that's the good 'ole U.S. of A. for those of you who've been sleeping since 1979).


So, am I worried about Iran's forces messing with us, here?  No, not at all.  One single carrier task force could wreak enormous havoc on Iran, and put any would-be invaders in Davey Jones' (Persian Gulf) locker about 15 minutes after being given the appropriate orders.  One missile from any of our Trident's could send Iran the rest of the way back to the Stone Age, also in 15 minutes. 


What I AM concerned about is assymetrical warfare, in which Iran specializes and has done exceptionally well at against us.  You know, the use of lightly-armed proxies against us and our allies that cannot be traced back to them, or which can but which aren't so harmful as to instigate a real shooting war against Iran.  Specifically, I'm NOT worried about them sending terrorists here, but I am concerned that the entire point of their nuke program is to develop a warhead (or, better yet, several) that they can attach to Scud-like missiles and send over to our neighborhood clandestinely by boat.  Launch one of those from off the East Coast and explode the nuke at anything over about 150 miles and POOF, out go the lights on the entire East Coast - for f'ing forever...along with all computers, cell phones, hospitals, transformers, etc.  Instant time travel to the 19th Century, all without breaking a single window anywhere in the country.  To completely cripple us, do the same from a barge in the Gulf of Mexico and from one off the Left Coast.  End of the USA in about 1 second, literally.  This is from Electromagnetic Pulse, EMP.  Read the book, "One Second After" or "Lights Out" to get more details.  Anyhow, this would be the ultimate in assymetrical warfare.


That we would, if we found out who did it, turn all of Iran into a gigantic radioactive parking lot would be of little consequence to us - because 75% or more of us would be dead within a year - no electricity means no fuel, no hospitals, no commercial food production.  Every delicately balanced system we have in this country will be dealt a simultaneous death blow.  Think of a nationwide Katrina, with no warning.  Oh, and those burnt-out transformers - we don't manufacture them within our borders anymore.  It'll take years to get the grid up again.


Is this a high probability event?  No.  But it is possible, especially given the religious beliefs of Iran's leaders.  We are NOT dealing with rational people, and they are very close to getting nukes.  That is cause for grave concern to far more nations than merely Israel.  Frankly, we should be in the lead on efforts to destroy this threat to our very existence, not lambasting another nation that is seeking to preserve its existence.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 00:58 | 288101 delacroix
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they are committed to the destruction, of zionism, not israel.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 01:48 | 288137 Bear
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Read his lips ... and the chants of his followers:

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 07:53 | 288312 cephalo
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Oh yeah bear, you read his lips?

So you're a lip reader?

In Farsi?

Good for you.

I could only manage the subtitles, whoever subtitled them.

Fark'n cia arseholes all over the place.

Wed, 04/07/2010 - 00:23 | 289395 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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All politicians are worthless man, get a grip.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 03:15 | 288188 Quantum Nucleonics
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"rational"?  The President of their country believes a 12th Imam is about to return to annihilate western civilization, impose Iran's version of Islamic law on and rule the world.  He thinks it is his job to hasten the 12th Imam's return.


Tue, 04/06/2010 - 05:26 | 288238 gratefultraveller
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Yeah, it's amazing, isn't it?
About as amazing as George W.'s assertion (belief?) 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq'.

For me it is actually far more amazing how people won't realize how their selective perception is filtering out unconvenient aspects contradicting the stuff they want to believe.

Eyes wide shut

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 03:26 | 288194 No More Bubbles
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They do have the power (for now).  It's why they have gone through great efforts to maintain this completely shattered Ponzi economic system just a little longer. 

I suspect their won't be many "old folks" (or any at all) to tell any tales - when all is said and done.........

Mon, 04/05/2010 - 23:00 | 287923 What_Me_Worry
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So war means the equity rally can continue then, right?  Obviously, once the iPad comes out with a nuclear launcher app Apple's stock is going to skyrocket!

Maybe buying that electric car doesn't sound so bad now.

Possibly this is the plan all along.  Any war on the other side of the world means people would trip over themselves to buy 10Y UST's at 1 percent.  Bernanke can continue on to his goal of QE v10 by 2012.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 03:24 | 288190 No More Bubbles
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Isn't everything bullish for AAPL?  After all, a 10 cent pullback is a buying opportunity. A 50 cent drop is considered panic selling.

I fully expect when their beloved visionary Steve Jobs soon dies, the stock will really launch to the upside as he will be able to communicate even greater technological innovations from the "other side" to his engineers and designers.  He'll have a real leg up on the future once his mortal life is over.  If the stock falls when he dies, it means he went to hell.....

Regarding your App question - I believe CRAPple will soon have the iLaunch App available for download; but it will require a large (heavily encryped) wire transfer (of Apple shares) to a Cayman Island Jamba Juice Bank account to authenticate the proper launch codes.  Or, you could just ask GS. <sarcasm off>

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 00:20 | 287987 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Ill Bill feat/ Immortal Tech- War Is My Destiny:

Mon, 04/05/2010 - 23:43 | 287993 Cistercian
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 The attack on Iran has been talked about for years now.Traffic through the straight will be affected, oil will go to the moon.....unless Iran gets nuked hard.Then, who knows what will happen.Iran "must be destroyed" primarily for the temerity of pricing oil in something other than dollars.One gets the sense of moving towards an end that is not wanted....a bigger and uglier conflict in the offing.

 I don't know about the rest of you, but I do not want nuclear war.Where will China come in?And Russia?Will Iran be carved up like a turkey for it's resources?Will NYC reach 10 million degrees?

 Letting the dogs of war loose today entails horrors far, far beyond the pale.

 We are ill served by our current masters...the idiocy and posturing must stop, before millions die.


Mon, 04/05/2010 - 23:49 | 288002 carbonmutant
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People in harm's way have a different set of priorities than those sitting in the comfort of their homes.


Tue, 04/06/2010 - 00:35 | 288069 Thunderlips
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Yep, surrounded by hostile powers that have invaded it as recently as the 1940s, like Russia, or messed with it, like the US in the 1950s, 60s, and 70s, Iranians have a different set of priorities than Joe Six-pack, whose country hasn't been invaded since the Battle of New Orleans in 1814.

Mon, 04/05/2010 - 23:52 | 288007 chet
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neh believes that the “acquisition of nuclear weapons by Iran during Obama’s term would do him a great deal of political damage,” but that the damage to Obama resulting from an Israeli strike on Iran “would be devastating.”

Nice political blackmail there.  I'm so glad these guys are our "best friends ever."  What a "special relationship" we have.  We give you $3 billion a year, blanket protection in the UN and guarantee your personal safety.  And you give us jack shit while pretending that telling a few condo projects to stop for a few months is the most outrageous request we could possibly make.

Israelis are the most ungrateful sons of bitches on the planet.  Fuck them.  We don't owe them a god damn thing.  We've already given them a billion times more than they could ever return to us.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 00:32 | 288065 frippy
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Tue, 04/06/2010 - 01:53 | 288142 Otrader
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+ 10,000

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 03:11 | 288184 No More Bubbles
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Agreed.  But yet, the endless bowing to their every whim only emboldens them to ask for even more & more & more.  They will not stop until they have it all....

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 04:45 | 288223 Popo
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"We've already given them a billion times more than they could ever return to us."


Those who don't understand the quid pro quo of US Foreign Policy see only ungrateful bastards.  

First off, when we "give" money to Israel for defense spending, where exactly do you think they spend it?   

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 08:20 | 288322 nedwardkelly
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What... that makes it ok? So the end up with 'free' military hardware instead of free money?

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 08:19 | 288321 cephalo
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...or to the rest of humanity.

Wed, 04/07/2010 - 00:25 | 289396 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Yeah but the Rothschildes gave us...they gave us....ah shit, what was it they gave us.....

Mon, 04/05/2010 - 23:53 | 288008 DaveyJones
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so lets see, in the end

Iran will be attacked for its oil and the lack of a bomb 

or its oil and getting the bomb.

I know what risk I'd take.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 00:12 | 288038 Bear
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"7. U.S. President Barack Obama would find it difficult, if only for internal political reasons, to take military action against Iran and thereby open a new theater for war, in addition to Iraq and Afghanistan."

NO kidding! It's more like the US will take military action against Israel ... This President is a Muslim.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 01:02 | 288105 delacroix
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get real, everyone  on obamas team, is a jew, or zionist, they got him elected.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 03:10 | 288183 No More Bubbles
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Bingo!  Amazing people can't see how THEY are the ones in charge of this entire charade.  The only reason Madoff went to jail is because he screwed other Jews.....

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 15:02 | 288868 carbonmutant
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Is there an echo in here?

Wed, 04/07/2010 - 21:42 | 289409 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Barry is whatever they tell him to be.  He is a Christian/Muslim/Jew/Alien/Goat/Superman/Dragon/Tooth Fairy/Beast/Mermaid/Bitch.  He worships his Master, and he is most likely not Zues (Christian God) or Thoth (Jewish God), but who really knows.  He does "Thy bidding", that is for sure, and he is doing a "wonderful" job.  These oligarchs do not really care which gods they pray to as long as they are walking this earth in control of humankind.  David Rockefeller said in the '70s that 'it really does not matter which God anyone worships anymore'.

Barry will dance one day, and then demand we, "Look..." the next.  Politics is completely scripted.  It is the "World Wrestling Federation" for white collered, over paid, doelarr spending, casino gulag walking men and women as it is for poor, third world, broke ass peasants.  Barry to Bush....Chavez to Ackmedinajad....Nixon to Roosevelt.  If you start speaking out you get your head blown off like President, I mean Jack...Jack was President.  Bobby just whispered into his ear.  Man Bobby, we miss you.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 00:15 | 288040 Mitchman
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Anything that hastens the end of this pitiful Administration is perfectly fine with me.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 00:20 | 288051 dark pools of soros
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we should of just gave the jew some casinos like the indians...not a whole country

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 00:56 | 288097 Shameful
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Whoa! Speaking as a guy who in indirectly makes his living off a casino I don't want any other groups handed casinos!  How about everyone is allowed too...but would prefer a few years to job jump :)

/naked self intrest post

Wed, 04/07/2010 - 00:41 | 289411 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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hahaha...that was priceless!

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 00:55 | 288095 htp
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It's all bluff. Nothing is going to happen there.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 01:49 | 288139 Otrader
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So, jews are not getting casinos?

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 00:56 | 288096 Oracle of Kypseli
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Bottom line on this eternal fight.

One: Israel will not stop until they get control of the water rights in the region. Some of you may laugh at that. But it is true.

Two: Israel will not rest unless its survival is guaranteed.

Hence: Eternal strife until they get both or Israel seizes to exist. Once Israel goes down, the rest of the Arabs go with it, by doing the unthinkable. (They almost did it in 1974 when the country was minutes away from being cut in half. Widely reported by the Jerusalem Post.)

Not pretty


Tue, 04/06/2010 - 03:07 | 288181 No More Bubbles
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They are the only ones who intend to survive whatever series of global calamities (which they have planned) occur......

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 01:05 | 288107 delacroix
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ISRAEL,   the worlds biggest suicide bomber.    if we can't have it, nobody can

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 01:15 | 288113 AnAnonymous
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Lets wait for November.

A lot of talking heads have to provide material to earn a living. Everything will do, especially if it is controversial. Controversy brings cash.

That is not like they were able to provide acceptable and wished solutions to the current problems. Or they were able to forecast the current crisis six months before it started.

A lot of intellectuals have nothing to say as their whole thought system is a failure or boils down to mechanics widely known and openly spoken about by people 8000 years ago.

Still, intellectuals have to justify their paycheck.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 01:16 | 288114 torabora
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Iran is certainly capable of making mischief without any foreign help...however they are a tool of the Russians. We failed to get a real peace with the Russians larely because Congress was busy trying to get re-elected than serve our country. It's still not too late but now we have to bargain with them rather than help them. It's adversarial again.

Iran will prove a bitter pill for Russia. It's population is declining and Iran's is growing. Iran government needs to be focused on serving its people ...who have a lot of needs..rather than trying to influence the rest of the infidel world. Russia is their only real outlet and we need to get their cooperation or all three of us (and others) get hurt by crazy Iran down the road.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 01:18 | 288117 Whats that smell
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I don't like all the ass kissing the US does for Israel, I have never undestood why we always went out on a limb for them. That being said I think the best way to deal with Iran would be to let them attack Israel or anyone else for that matter, (with their first generation pissing nuke) After that a unified ultimatum could be issued for their surrender, if they did not comply then give em' what they deserve.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 01:47 | 288136 Otrader
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Here's a question: Why does the powerful US of A bows down to Israel?  I never understood what benefit Israel provides to this country.  We often get angry about bailouts, they've been getting bail outs every year since inception - very quietly.  The entire Iraq war was fought for Israel with so many young american lives. And, their kids/familes will continue to pay for it for many decades to come.   Why?



Tue, 04/06/2010 - 03:04 | 288177 No More Bubbles
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Why?  Are you seriously asking why?  Because the Zionist Jews control EVERYTHING!

The world serves at their pleasure.  If they (the Jews) don't get what they want - they will ostracise (or worse) those who don't bow to them.....

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 01:56 | 288144 delacroix
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Iran, would not attack israel, even if they had 10 nukes. they are not suicidal, nor stupid. their politicians, are no worse than ours.   self defense, is not a crime. it's not iran threatening israel, with attack, but israel, who is trying to bully iran. I hope china, and russia, support iran, and say F/U netenyahu

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 02:19 | 288156 Shameful
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"self defense, is a crime."

Fixed that for you.  It is from the point of view of the USA.  I'm sure the policy makers are pissed China could stand up for itself.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 07:38 | 288300 rawsienna
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Iran has said Israel will be "wiped" off the map.  That is not a threat? Iran sent unarmed children and adults in human waves to hold off Iraqi tanks during a war - that is not suicidal?The current leadership in Iran would kill/torture its own citizens to stay in power. Would a European country like France or Germany put up with a nuclear Iran if it threatened to wipe them off the map. Wake up to reality. 


Tue, 04/06/2010 - 01:55 | 288146 Otrader
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I wonder how Ron Paul would handle this situation...

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 01:56 | 288147 jSixPack
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As I recall there was a previous messiah of peace that the folks of Israel denied.

Are we seeing a trend developing here?

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 02:33 | 288162 Tense INDIAN
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there was no WMDs in Iraq...and i m sure there are no NUKES in IRAN ....another lie ...another WAR....wake up Americans ...switch off the TV an dgo out to protest ....or u will take the whole world down with u ....OH ...and one more thing ...There is no AL_QAEDA

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 03:32 | 288195 Quantum Nucleonics
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The blinding flash, followed by 20 psi overpressure wave that bursts your ear drums, and sick feeling as you absorb a lethal 500 rad dose of neutrons and gamma rays will let you know you're wrong.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 11:09 | 288498 tmosley
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Yeah, that's the same damn threat they used against us on Iraq (ie "no absolute proof until there is a mushroom cloud").

You can only cry wolf so many times.  You damn war hawks can go fuck yourselves.  Put your own babies through a meat grinder if that makes you feel better.  It certainly won't make us any safer.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 04:07 | 288205 Cheeky Bastard
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500 000 tons of white phosphorus over Israel should be enough to stop the potential nuclear war initiated by Israel. But, again, as a strong believer in karma, cosmic revenge is gonna be a bitch for Israel and Israelis. 

EDIT: Needless to say; European Jewry will have a tough time in countries such as France, Great Britain, The Netherlands, Belgium etc etc which have a LARGE Muslim community. Again; those who did the least harm will suffer the most. I would not want to be in Paris when the first nuke strikes Iran. 

EDIT II.: Also, with all the ultra right-wing parties on the rise in most of the aforementioned countries i would not be surprised if their rhetoric changes such that the echo from history becomes the central part of their political agenda in order to win votes from large Muslim communities which reside in those countries. I'm gonna say it again, it has been a historically long time since Europe had a war of epic proportions. This could be the trigger point. And with some residual mudjahedeen forces which still reside in Kosovo and Bosnia and some which have scattered across Europe and formed independent sleeping cells the escalation of violence, followed by targeted strikes on urban target and all out war as the third stage is not an impossibility. The funding will as always be provided by various Islamic charities and other underground channels with necessary "meat" provided by leaders of various theological schools of Egypt, KSA, Syria, Iraq.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 03:54 | 288206 Quantum Nucleonics
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Just a thought - Current Iranian missiles, deployed in Venezuela, would be capable of hitting the Florida and the gulf coast.  Anticipated Iranian missiles, deployed in Venezuela, would be capable of hitting most of the southeast and Atlantic seaboard.

It is probably already too late for Israel to attack Iran.  They don't have the resources to hit all the targets, nor the ability to do follow up strikes.  When Iran receives SA-20 SAM systems from Russia this year or next, the door will definitely be closed for anything but a nuclear first strike.  If they were going to do a conventional attack, they would have done it by now - they asked the Bush Administration at least twice in 2008, who said no to avoid destabilizing Iraq.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 04:25 | 288213 theprofromdover
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Seems to me the problems start with A'm-a-dinnajacket and his bosses, and Benji Netenyahoo.

Many simpler ways to defuse the situation than to nuke-em all.

There is certainly enough dirt on Benji's personal life to get him removed, and there is an entire nation in Iran who want to remove the dinnerjacket & his pals. They just need a little help.

I thought that was what we paid the CIA for. They have had over 50 years practice to refine some underhand tactics.

At some point Israel's opponents will have the bomb, so you had best ensure that, when the time comes, it is a rational regime in power. (At the moment an irrational regime has power in Israel, and we are happy that they have their finger on the button..........?)

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 05:22 | 288237 ZimbabweBen1991
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 Israel attacking Iran would not work because in an operation like this Israel would lose so many of its planes. Even if they use submarines the Iranian navy would encircle them. Now to people who think an attack like this will have no cosequences you are wrong. When Israel attacks Iran,oil will skyrocket to 5.00 dollars a gallon. Iran,Syria,Hamas,and Hizballah will simultaneously fire rockets and missiles to Israeli towns and cities. Israel will then have to bomb Lebanon,Syria and Gaza. However Israel would have to do a ground invasion in southern lebanon which Hizballah wants. Not only will Israel will have to deal with Hzballah but the Lebanese military which will join Hizbollah. A an invasion of southern Lebanon will be bloody. Iran and Syria will send their troops to fight a guerilla war along side Hizballah. In Gaza things will be messy. For us Iraq will be destabilized. Southern Iraq will plunge into chaos. Some elements of the Iraqi army will defect to the shiite side and start problems for us. In afghanistan things would deteroiate there. There will be massive rioting from muslims. And over here Hizballah agent will go apeshit. So no it will be no good. Russia,China,and the US probably made an agreement not get involved in a mideast war. So it will be a bloody regional war.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 05:37 | 288244 gratefultraveller
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"Our armed forces are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that this will happen before Israel goes under."

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 06:06 | 288256 brodix
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If this is Israel calling Obama out over dissing Bennie, I think they overshot the mark. See what Obama does when his control is threatened. I can see some screws tightening on Israel.

 And this is supposed to make more Jews comfortable with emigrating to Israel????

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 07:14 | 288286 mikjall
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Thanks to Tyler for the post. Most of the comments raise the old question, "Is there intelligent life on earth?".

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 09:37 | 288374 loki
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I agree with you.  As far as intelligent life is concerned, we're as doomed as dinosaurs.  I'm agnostic.  But what God there might be may as well strike the planet with another meteorite 9 miles wide.   That's based on what's in this thread.


And Cheeky?  I'm disappointed in you.   This from someone who usually enjoys your posts. 


Tue, 04/06/2010 - 07:25 | 288294 nathan1234
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Israel will have to strike before the Bushehr Reactor starts up. Putin has said summer 2010. There have been several earlier dates not kept up.
Saudi Arabia has already given the clearance for using it's airspace. The Sunni's do not want Iran to become stronger than them. The Saudi's actually funded the Pak Bomb- a Sunni bomb.
November is a misleading date in my opinion. It will be too close to winter and Europe will get hit with huge shortages of oil and gas.
The action can take place anytime before end August 2010. One date in July may be 11th, if it does not happen earlier.
But happen it will!

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 08:18 | 288302 fUny1
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In order to truly understand what is going on in the Middle East and the Albert Pike Masonry ruled West, one must understand the natural religious zealotry that comes under the control of occultists that do a little Bohemian Grove sacrifice ritual to an ancient Canaanite deity named Moloch every July.

The Star of Chiun/Moloch is an ancient Pagan entity/deity/hex/curse(dating back to as much as 10k years) whose male/female phallic triangulation is adorned by many subjects/objects of the 3 religions vying for Middle East(Tolkien's Middle Earth?) supremacy.

It is hidden in a thinly veiled way in the "Great" seal of the United states.

It is embedded in a disguised way in the Tapestry of a Syrian Palace Floor.

It is present on the Flag of #1 FED owner Rothschild's usurious biblical abominable founded state currently known as ISRA-EL.

It is found on the windows of Churches/Mosques/Synagogues.

Apparently, the world we live in is run by a STAR of Moloch Fetish cult.

The main goal of Albert Pike free Masonry is a cataclysmic conflict between Judaism and Islam. It's taken about a 100 years of preparation.

Yes, to many uninitiated in basic occultism, the above sounds like gibberish and lunatic thought.

Unfortunately, there are mad men and women from the four corners of the world that are implementing stated madness by self fulfilling prophecy.

They usually like to start up conflicts right around the World Cup but never during since they cannot force their soldiers to miss the World Cup action.

In order to declare Peace on this World, we have to find a way to have the World Cup played continuously or at the very least once every two years.

You can dismiss and mock what was just stated, then you can watch it happen with utter disbelief.




Tue, 04/06/2010 - 08:40 | 288341 overmedicatedun...
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another thread (Iraq ops recently as well)- that reveals expertise in one area finance- does not carry over to expertise in  military or geopolitical sphere..Tyler et al --keep to what you know..those who have never been to see the elephant should understand : not knowing what you  can't know ,then posting based on that ignorance lowers the validity of all your posts.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 09:02 | 288368 Cheeky Bastard
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it is not a goddamn game of chess or checkers for fucks sake.

i mean do i really need to have a PhD. from Harvard Kennedy School of Government in order to understand the following.

Nuclear World War -------> BAD

Peace ------> GOOD

Or you are one of those CFR indoctrinated, neo-con, America-first-and-only whores who puts a spin on everything ?

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 09:18 | 288384 overmedicatedun...
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cheeky one should take a deep breath. I see the passion in your posts- that I respect.

Mis information, and managed news (even if managed to benefit one's point of view)..

leads to poor judgement.

CFR & so called Neo con's, I rarely support.

As for America first..Yes, always Yes. I support the American that exists only in Men's souls today.. that America !that shining light on the hill is what I support.

A republic of free people, not encumbered by a powerful Federal government..

If you are a fabian socialist or marxist..then  you and I are enemies..for the 20th century saw the result of that failed ideology..millions of dead citizens of the state and gulags..



Tue, 04/06/2010 - 15:54 | 288393 loki
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