Former Goldman Sachs Analyst Charles Nenner Joins Marc Faber and Gerald Celente in Predicting Major War

George Washington's picture

? Washington’s Blog


I noted in 2009:


The claim that America would launch more wars to the help the economy is outrageous, right?


But leading economist Marc Faber has repeatedly said that the American government will start new wars in response to the economic crisis:

Is Faber crazy?

Maybe. But top trend forecaster Gerald Calente agrees.

As Antiwar's Justin Raimondo writes:

As Gerald Celente, one of the few economic forecasters who predicted the ‘08 crash, put it the other day, "Governments seem to be emboldened by their failures." What the late Gen. William E. Odom trenchantly described as "the worst strategic disaster in American military history" – the invasion of Iraq – is being followed up by a far larger military operation, one that will burden us for many years to come. This certainly seems like evidence in support of the Celente thesis, and the man who predicted the 1987 stock market crash, the fall of the Soviet Union, the dot-com bust, the gold bull market, the 2001 recession, the real estate bubble, the “Panic of ‘08,” and now is talking about the inevitable popping of the "bailout bubble," has more bad news:

"Given the pattern of governments to parlay egregious failures into mega-failures, the classic trend they follow, when all else fails, is to take their nation to war."

As the economic crisis escalates and the debt-based central banking system shows it can no longer re-inflate the bubble by creating assets out of thin air, an economic and political rationale for war is easy to come by; for if the Keynesian doctrine that government spending is the only way to lift us out of an economic depression is true, then surely military expenditures are the quickest way to inject "life" into a failing system. This doesn’t work, economically, since the crisis is only maksed by the wartime atmosphere of emergency and "temporary" privation. Politically, however, it is a lifesaver for our ruling elite, which is at pains to deflect blame away from itself and on to some "foreign" target.

It’s the oldest trick in the book, and it’s being played out right before our eyes, as the U.S. prepares to send even more troops to the Afghan front and is threatening Iran with draconian economic sanctions, a step or two away from outright war.

A looming economic depression and the horrific prospect of another major war – the worst-case scenario seems to be unfolding, like a recurring nightmare ...

Forecaster Celente has identified several bubbles, the latest being the "bailout bubble," slated to pop at any time, yet there may be another bubble to follow what Celente calls "the mother of all bubbles," one that will implode with a resounding crash heard ’round the world – the bubble of empire.

Our current foreign policy of global hegemonism and unbridled aggression is simply not sustainable, not when we are on the verge of becoming what we used to call a Third World country, one that is bankrupt and faces the prospect of a radical lowering of living standards. Unless, of course, the "crisis" atmosphere can be sustained almost indefinitely.

George W. Bush had 9/11 to fall back on, but that song is getting older every time they play it. Our new president needs to come up with an equivalent, one that will divert our attention away from Goldman Sachs and toward some overseas enemy who is somehow to be held responsible for our present predicament.

It is said that FDR’s New Deal didn’t get us out of the Great Depression, but World War II did. The truth is that, in wartime, when people are expected to sacrifice for the duration of the "emergency," economic problems are anesthetized out of existence by liberal doses of nationalist chest-beating and moral righteousness. Shortages and plunging living standards were masked by a wartime rationing system and greatly lowered expectations. And just as World War II inured us to the economic ravages wrought by our thieving elites, so World War III will provide plenty of cover for a virtual takeover of all industry by the government and the demonization of all political opposition as "terrorist".

An impossible science-fictional scenario? Or a reasonable projection of present trends? Celente, whose record of predictions is impressive, to say the least, sees war with Iran as the equivalent of World War III, with economic, social, and political consequences that will send what is left of our empire into a tailspin. This is the popping of the "hyperpower" bubble, the conceit that we – the last superpower left standing – will somehow defy history and common sense and avoid the fate of all empires: decline and fall.

I certainly hope Faber and Calente are wrong. But they are both very smart guys who have been right on many of their forecasts for decades. Even when their predictions have been viewed as extremely controversial at the time, many of them have turned out to be right.

Yesterday, former Goldman Sachs technical analyst Charles Nenner - who has made some big accurate calls, and counts major hedge funds, banks, brokerage houses, and high net worth individuals as clients. - told Fox News that there will be “a major war starting at the end of 2012 to 2013”, which will drive the Dow to 5,000.

Therefore, says Nenner:

I told my clients and pension funds and big firms and hedge funds to almost go out of the market, almost totally out of the market.

As I have repeatedly documented, influential Americans are lobbying for war in order to save the American economy - what is often called "military Keynesianism". But as many economists have shown, war is - contrary to commonly-accepted myth - actually bad for the economy.

Of course, someone other than the U.S. might start a war.

Given that bad economic policies are leading to unrest globally, it is impossible to predict where a spark might land which leads to a wider conflagration.

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Broomer's picture

Everyone talking about nuclear war should watch Threads. Now. Just saying.


gangland's picture

yeah but, Cops are inside charlie sheen's house right now, searching for firearms and ammunition.

And law enforcement tell us cops are not trying to place Charlie on a 5150 hold.

Charlie, his lawyers, and several friends are at the dining room table eating hamburgers.  yawn.

Founders Keeper's picture

Excellent article, GW!

[Our new president needs to come up with an equivalent, one that will divert our attention away from Goldman Sachs and toward some overseas enemy who is somehow to be held responsible for our present predicament.]

[And just as World War II inured us to the economic ravages wrought by our thieving elites, so World War III will provide plenty of cover for a virtual takeover of all industry by the government and the demonization of all political opposition as "terrorist".]

[As I have repeatedly documented, influential Americans are lobbying for war in order to save the American economy...]


The question is: Can the elites talk Pres. Obama into going to war? If Obama cannot be talked into an unprovoked war, would Obama take our nation to war if provoked? (Would elites plot and carryout such a provocation?)

Can Obama be talked into war? Does he fancy himself a leader the likes of FDR? What of his "Apology Tour"? I doubt Obama can be talked into prosecuting a full-scale unprovoked war. Doesn't seem to be in his nature. And it doesn't fit with his anti-colonialist world view of the U.S. (Tragically, it seems, Obama doesn't love America any more than he loves other nations around the world.)

As for a provoked scenario. I do think Obama would defend the US given tactical provocation. I do not believe he defends the US strategically. ("God DAMN America!" Obama's spiritual mentor of 20 years proclaimed.)


malek's picture

Yes, there will likely be war.
But a US war with Iran -if no other country like China, Russia, or Pakistan gets involved- would be way too small to have any real impact on world economic matters.

So it's something bigger to be feared.

cranky-old-geezer's picture

Once again GW displays his ignorance assuming America would start the "big" war for bankster reasons when it's clear America won't be the attacker next time around, but will be the attackee.

Those banksters better hope the next "big" war is a long way off.

High Plains Drifter's picture

Many of us have been watching and waiting for the next 911 style false flag event. I am surprised it has not happened already. There is a reason why it has not happened yet. I don't know it but there is a reason. This one will kill a large number of people and probably will be based upon a uranium dirty bomb or something along those lines. They will use black ops people to do the job or whatever and then blame it on the Iranians. Watch for it. It will come soon enough. Israel cannot survive as a state unless there are wars. The United States is like that now. The world is like that now. Maybe in the end, due to the collapse of fiat money, it is the only way they know of , to continue whatever is left of the system that is now in place. Maybe that is why it says in the good book something along the lines that men shall want peace but will not be able to find it..........

SilverBaron's picture

Even with all the planning that went into 9-11, there was a mountain of evidence of what really happened.  They now realize that it needs to be nuclear.  Even if there is evidence, who would want to go in and collect it.  I think it will have to be a nuke.  Vaporize all the evidence.  No camera footage, no nanothermite dust, no big mouth firemen talking about hearing bombs going off, no survivors to tell the tale of bombs going off in the basement, no archetects proving that it couldn't have happened that way, no record puts against the airlines, no dumb ass Bush admitting that he saw the first plane hit, etc, etc, etc.

High Plains Drifter's picture

Could very well be. i also submit to you, imho, that this thing is already in place waiting for the go ahead. Yes sir,  I believe it is in place somewhere. Now the way I figure it, they want to do it in some place they can live without, a place that does not really matter to them that much, perhaps a place that they don't need or a place that is perhaps competitive with what they own and then they knock out two birds with one stone. Houston has been mentioned, but I just don't see Houston. Its too important to them imho. Maybe something in the mid west. They erase some midwest city and then the job is done, the lie is told and they don't care about the people they just killed etc. Any ideas on your thesis? 

SilverBaron's picture

The financial center--New York

Like you said, kill two birds with one stone.  A good reason for dollar, stock, bond collapse.

High Plains Drifter's picture

Well they did it once. So you think they would do it again? Hmmm, interesting. 911 was not just about getting the war on terror started. There was some finanicial shenanigans going on as well and these were being covered up too like the big gold heist out of building 3 which is interesting considering hardly any discussion is ever heard about building 3.........

High Plains Drifter's picture

Ms. Aisling Byrne, Project Coordinator of the Conflicts Forum in Beirut, was subjected on March 8 2011 to a wave of angry attacks by the PNA delegation to the “The Urgency of Addressing the Plight of Palestinian Political Prisoners in Israeli Prisons and Detention Facilities” meeting at the UN in Vienna. The unjustified attack on Ms. Byrne followed her substantive speech about the issue of the Palestinian political prisoners and the Israeli-Palestinian political process, which she delivered on the second day of the meeting.

Makes sense. Most if not all of the Palestine organizations are infiltrated. When this woman discussed situations that brought this problem too close to home, it caused the ears of the listeners to itch. As long as your leaders do not do things that are in your best interest, you will never win. Is it any wonder why Arab nations and Arab peoples never seem to get anywhere with their problems, their goals, their ambitions and their desires and needs? We have a similar problem here. We have leaders who do things that are not in our national interest, because nationalism is a dirty word now and unimportant word to the new world order.

Mark Noonan's picture

You can absolutely bank on this:  President Barack Obama will never start a war.  He might find himself involved in one because of his dithering as global crisis escalate, but he will not start one...starting a war takes immense courage; whether you are starting a wicked war or a just war, it just takes a heck of a lot of guts to both launch young men in to death and deal with the terrible calculus of war, which so often turns on a dime.  Obama isn't made of such stuff.  If you want to look for a Power which might start a war to distract the people, that would be their bubble bursts and they lose the ability to bribe a large segment of the population to peace, China's government still start casting about for a means of staying in power.

That said, it must be said that war does not help an economy.  In fact, it is my belief that the Great Depression was ultimately caused by the loss of wealth and life in the First World War - so many fit, young men had been killed that, 10 years later, there simply wasn't the demand nor the productive capacity to keep the global economy going.  The Second World War would have led to an even greater depression except for an incredible bit of luck - advances in medical science produced a population boom the likes of which the world had never seen...and it should be noted that the era of superb American growth came to an end as soon as the world was rebuilt and population growth started to level off...proving that, structurally, we really shouldn't have prospered after World War Two.  This, in turn, demonstrates that all the economic policies 1929 forward have been baleful...

Non Passaran's picture

Good point about destruction of demand (not only assets) through loss off life.
But hey, few thousand folks got rich!

High Plains Drifter's picture

What gets me is how China is rapidly getting into the carrier business. Aircraft carriers in my opinion are obsolete dinasaurs from a time long ago. With the advent of supersonic sea skimming anti ship missles, for which there is no known defense, I think their time has come and gone, yet the Chinese are working hard to get some carriers in the water.  Oh well it is their money (or our money excuse me). El Presidente's son for life, of Libya,
Seif Islam Kadafi said today, that they do not want anyone getting involved in Libyan business. He made the explicit statement that Libya is not some piece of cake and that all hell would break loose if anyone did such a thing. I believe he is right. Now take a statement like that, and increase it a thousand times or so and then you have Iran. The coast of Iran are bristling now with sunburn anti ship missles. There are our ships in those straits very much in range of these things. Iran would be no piece of cake either. Hell would come to dinner for this.

SilverBaron's picture

Aircraft carriers are sitting ducks against modern weapons, but most countries still don't have modern weapons.  China probalby wouldn't if they didn't steal the designs from us.

Matte_Black's picture

Agreed, and this furthur points out who their most likely targets would be. Certainly not the US, imo.

Matte_Black's picture

I think their time has come and gone, yet the Chinese are working hard to get some carriers in the water.

The obvious conclusion is that China is planning for a land/air war. You can't fight those using just missles. The wars that are coming to the world will be resource wars, most likely. You can't fight those using just missles.

The time of aircraft carriers is just getting started, in my humble opinion.

Matte_Black's picture

The US also benefitted greatly from the destruction of all our competition in Asia and Europe in WWII, I believe.

iwokeup's picture

I think we need Captain Larry T. Bridgewater to clear things up.

High Plains Drifter's picture

They are talking now on Al Jazeera,  about the power of the internet in these revolutions in these Arab revolts.  Interesting.

locinvestor's picture

First off, I don't see the big deal about Celente's "predictions". If you take the time to be reasonably informed (and not go to the corporate MSM), he's just re-stating the obvious and getting paid for it. So what.

What I'd really like to see is someone ask all of these "experts" any of all of these questions:

You've predicted that the markets would crash, there would be riots in the streets, etc. for several years now. Several times you've had to re-adjust your time line. If you're so certain this will happen, why have you been wrong up until now?

How much money have you made by promoting this "doom and gloom" message to your clients?

If you really believe that things will be that bad, why do you continue to live in the States? Why not move somewhere else, take all of your assets out of dollars and protect yourself both short and long-term?

Most of these guys show up On You Tube, RT, or some Net talk show. To be fair, Faber's based in Hong Kong (which isn't exactly cheap) and apparently has quite an exclusive client list.

Now, is making a living being a consultant illegal? No. However, does it bother any of these people that you're playing off of other people's fears for profit? Not all but almost all of this content is racist garbage (IMO). If you really want to help your clients, what's wrong with actual sound recommendations instead of the same old boring stuff? Is it because if you do that you appear no different than every other investment advisor out there?

Instead of fear, tell me something I don't know.


Non Passaran's picture

I think GC and Faber are okay, but you're entitled to your opinion. But why the name calling? Perhaps you can offer better insight and let us know something we don't, thereby setting a higher standard. If some folks find value in what these guys have to say and decide to pay them with honestly earned money, who are we to judge that? But most of all, I don't understand why people (here anonymously) so readily trash work of others while not offering anything in return (let alone something better)... Just my 5 cents.

High Plains Drifter's picture

I have listened to this guy for  years and I come away after hearing what he has to say with the feeling that I just wasted some time listening to him.  I never learn anything of value listening to him. He comes across as some slick huckster. I can't imagine why anyone would pay him money to hear this stuff.

baby_BLYTHE's picture

are you talking to me?

If so, you sound like you are implying something?

Guy Fawkes Mulder's picture

The first thing I thought on clicking into this thread was basically what locinvestor said.

I can say he probably wasn't talking to you. I was gonna say the same thing as he was going to say, and it had nothing to do with you.

I see you said Faber and Celente are the shit.

Yeah, they are the shit. They can help J6P get the scales off his eyes.

But it's still true what loke said. DUH! The educated person already knows America is about to go to war.

Peace, peace, and more peace to you and to us all.

hotkarlandtheclevelandsteamers's picture

Nice Nennar back in August said we would be at 5,000 dow by March 2011.  How is that prediction working out.

S.P.Q.R.'s picture

Trouble for those wanting to pursue a welfare-warfare state there is simply no-one worth going to war against. Wellingtons decisive victory at waterloo nearly did in Nathan Rothschild -  to profit by war one needs a long, sustained conflict. How long would war with Iran last? 2 maybe 3 days?  China would be the obvious choice for some  but war with China would have consequences most simpletons in politics would never properly account for.  Barring the wisdom of going to war with ones banker, conventional war with China would  be a numbers game. This isn't same illiterate, poorly trained army the UN faced in Korea, its now a much different animal. Thanks to the one child policy China has a serious gender imbalance, it needs to diffuse this ticking time bomb so war with someone is pretty much a given. My money would be on financial oligarchy pushing for war between India & China. They are natural rivals, and this would probably be the scenerio that serves western interest best. Probably start with a few border skirmishes, then rapid mobilization within India (good for western weapons manufacturers) followed by long sustained conflict with heavy casualties on both sides. Of course western powers can't let a good crisis go to waste. This sort of war would be the perfect political platform western governments need to spread fear amoungst the masses allowing central banks to monetize even more debt under the guise of protecting the country. All to easy and poof, life goes back to keynesian utopia.  

Stuck on Zero's picture

War is the only chance most ungifted people have to be treated as heroes.  A twenty year old D- student with little prospects in life other than flipping burgers or selling used cars sees a chance to put on a fancy uniform, strut in front of the ladies, receive medals, hang with the boys, belong to some higher purpose, live in a structured environment, and perhaps return from a world adventure with tales and more medals.  War further renders men as equals.  War is a dream come true for the dreary lives of many. 

SilverBaron's picture

Good reason for the dumbing down of America.  Didn't Rockefeller say he wanted a nation of workers, not thinkers?  Why were people who were born in the 1800's smarter than most people today?  Einstein, Tesla.  Sure they were exceptional, but there are many who are today too!  The problem today is, they are not schooled the same.  They become police officers, or join the military.  We should all be schooled in medicine and quantum physics by now.  How could people be dumber than people that lived a hundred years ago?

High Plains Drifter's picture

You take that mix and you stir in some false patriotism and you almost have a useful idiot ready to go die for nothing. Sad but true. I remember the first day I heard the words modern volunteer army and it stuck with me all of these years. In a army made up of draftees(at the time) it was a strange thing to comtemplate. So now as we look back some 40 years now, we see the grand plan as it was being implemented.  The problem with this plan and this dream that many of these young men had or have, etc, is that after numerous tours in combat, it does something to you and this something can never be undone. Many of these men when the army boots them out, are walking emotional time bombs and suffering from stress disorders caused by numerous combat tours. There used to be a time when they only made you go fight for one tour and a maximum of 12 months because they figured you would be used up after that. I can tell you that I have seen over the years, the many Vietnam vets walking around in some world of their own, talking to themselves, living in dumpsters and living under bridges etc. Now the same thing is happening to these guys. The computer games made them ready for the time when they were needed by the system to fight the wars that never end, chasing enemies manufactured for them and enemies that can never be caught in the wonderful wide world of the war on terror, a war on you and me. Amerika must wake up and understand this before it is too late, if it is not already.

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 The U.S. government, always keen to support its troops, deliberately exposes them to nuclear radiation and toxic contamination at the sites of atmospheric nuclear weapons tests in Nevada and other locations.

Like the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the troops are nothing more than guinea pigs in a "scientific" experiment.

The tests are a joint conspiracy of the Department of "WAR" and the CIA.

The first atomic test at the Nevada Test Site, spew radioactive particles across Nevada, Utah and Colorado. Some nuclear explosions blanket Las Vegas with radioactive dust.

But, according to the ever-truthful U.S. government and the lame-ass mass media, there is nothing for citizens to worry their pretty little heads about.

Those who point out that cancer and leukemia rates are skyrocketing in the states around the test site are accused, naturally enough, of being part of the great Terrorist Conspiracy to prevent Amerika developing the necessary weapons of mass destruction to defend itself against the Red Devils who lurk behind every fucking Bush.

A headline in the Los Angeles Examiner squeals, "On Your Guard, Reds Launch Scare Drive Against U.S. Atomic Tests".

When he becomes president, kindly Dwight Eisenhower orders the Atomic Energy Commission (AEC) to keep Americans "confused" with its explanations about fallout causing cancer.

Government employees who tell the truth are fired.

It is not until 1980 that the truth about the testing is partially revealed when the U.S. House of Representatives Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations concludes,

"All evidence suggesting that radiation was having harmful effects, be it on the sheep or the people, was not only disregarded but actually suppressed."

Hard to believe, ain't it?

Yeah...Yeah...Yeah... I know... just more cuntSpiracy theories from people that hate amerika.


High Plains Drifter's picture

I don't think most people understand when you do these kinds of test, the results of these tests, don't just go away. It becomes part of the world we live in. This dust floats around the world and settles here and there and then is picked up again and again. Every time a bomb has been set off there is a half life. Heck they still have radiation floating around from bomb test in the 1950's etc. not to mention nukes that have been lost at sea, one of them supposedly is just off the coast of Savannah Georgia and even after a extensive search they could not find it. This depleted uranium crap is about the same problem. These types of shells were created for a doomsday scenerio to be used only as a last resort in Europe to combat the overwhelming numbers of Soviet and Eastern block armor in the event that such armor flooded across the borders into western Europe in some war gaming scenerio that never happened. This du is poisonous, especially when fired. Any area where this stuff has been used is off limits to humans for 4.5 billion years. Iraq is a nuclear wasteland. Ladies and gentlemen, I hope you understand this and listen real good on this. We have turned the birthplace of Adamic man, into a nuclear wasteland. I hope that is clear. We have also caused major problems in Serbia and in Afghanistan where this stuff has been used. Now the dust from this du, is spreading over the earth and has now reached these shores. Many soldiers who have fought in these wars are sick and dying from radiation sickness, and many of them don't even know they have it yet, but they will. It is highly contagious and can be spread easily to a wife and when she conceives her children will be deformed. The damage that has been done by this country to humanity is beyond comprehension in so many ways. It is stated that there is a warning decal  on all M1Abrams tanks that have this du reactive armor on them, that they must not be occupied more than I think 8 hours at a time because this du crap is so bad........but we are told that is no problem......but it is and it is the killer that keeps on killing and never stops and never will stop..........but shall we say, we shall shove this aspect under the rug as well....Oh and let us not forget that there are about 150,000 men or more who are now sick from Gulf War 1 alone, not to mention the second one . So far 15,000 men have died that participated in Gulf War 1. Radiation sickness is a disease which there is no cure. The particles get in your system and start immediately causing serious damage. I could say many nice and popular things but I choose to speak on these things when the time comes because they must be known.

RocketmanBob's picture

Perhaps you're painting with a bit broad of a brush there friend.  I've served with many who were the polar opposite of your characterization.

DavidPierre's picture


"...many who were the polar opposite of your characterization."

Like maybe...


"Over a period of three years or so....we burned down every town in North Korea and South Korea too."

General Curtis LeMay,  megalomaniac,
unprosecuted war criminal
and mass murderer cum U.S. Air Force General


At No Gun Ri, U.S. troops massacre three hundred "South" Korean civilians, mainly women and children, who are hiding under a bridge after being driven from their villages by the U.S.

The U.S. puppet dictatorship of "South" Korea obediently suppresses investigation of the massacre and, in the usual fashion, the U.S. government systematically lies about it for half a century.

In 2003, a U.S. Air Force memo will be declassified which states,

"The Army has requested that we strafe (machine gun) all civilian refugee parties that are noted approaching our positions. To date we have complied with the Army request in this respect."

Korea is almost completely devastated by American carpet bombing with few buildings left standing.

There seems little doubt that the U.S. used germ warfare against the Koreans in spite of the usual vehement denials.

 Compelling evidence of the use of biological weapons continues to be uncovered, as near Kwangju where a U.S. plane sprayed a powder or mist over villagers who then suffered skin discoloration and finally, hundreds of deaths.

The U.S. had a massive biological warfare program, based largely on the work of its favorite Japanese mass murderer and war criminal, General Shiro Ishi, head of Japan's infamous biological warfare program.

More than twenty U.S. pilots confess to dropping germ warfare agents. Scenes of mass executions of civilians by the U.S. and by troops of its puppet dictatorship as American "advisers" look on and sometimes record the murders on film are still being uncovered.

The major goal of the U.S. bombing campaign is the wholesale destruction of civilian infrastructure, a war crime under the Geneva Convention. Using conventional bombs and napalm, the U.S. destroys hydroelectric stations and irrigation projects throughout  Korea in a calculated attempt to starve the Koreans to death.


Should I continue "...painting with a bit broad of a brush..." some of the historic glory of the  USSA AIR FARCE? 

Might just add a bit more colour and gory details...

Lord knows... there is plenty to choose from on that bloody palette.

penisouraus erecti's picture

Wow.....very cynical.......thought not altogether untrue.

penisouraus erecti's picture

It would be possible to make an argument that WWII was good for the US. Obviously not for the thousands of brave men and women that sacrificed their lives in it, but economically speaking. By 1939 our GDP had just gotten back to 1929 levels and by getting involved in the war we had to ramp up our manufacturing base big time, while simultaneously destroying the economic base of our 'competitors' which led to some pretty good economic times here through the 50's and 60's and beyond.

I don't think any such arguments could really be made about WWI or the many other conflicts we've been involved in, particularly the civil war, could they?

Non Passaran's picture

That is a ridiculous idea (IMHO). WWII may have helped the US get out of the Depression *earlier* than it otherwise would, but at the enormous cost of worldwide capital destruction and post-war dominance of the military-industrial complex (I don't know if anyone has made this argument, probably yes, but I'd call that "the winner's curse" - the MI complex has thrived in countries that won WWII, at the expense of their citizens, of course). I believe that everyone would have been better off had assets destoyed in WWII been used to productive purposes. Sure, some destruction helped remove "excessive" capacity, but if governments didn't mess with the economy, markets would have taken care of that without immesurable collateral damage. Wars doesn't make sense except for the few at the top that benefit from them.

DavidPierre's picture

"...would be possible to make an argument that WWII was good..."


After twenty years of devoted work by Averell Harriman, Allen Dulles, John Foster Dulles, Prescott Bush and the rest of the Hitler Project team to make the world safe (and profitable) for Nazism and Standard Oil, their boy Adolf, having already failed to invade Britain, is brought grinding to a halt in Leningrad and Stalingrad.

By 1943, it has become obvious that the Nazis are not going to be able to defeat the Soviet Union, occupy the country, exterminate half the population, reduce the survivors to slave laborers and then preside over the theft of Soviet oil, gas, manganese, titanium and other resources by the usual gang of suspects. Damn.

And if the Nazi military machine cannot defeat the Soviet Union, the main raison d'être of the Hitler Project, to put half of the world under the Nazi jackboot for the greater profit of the Rockefellers, Fords, Duponts, Mellons, Morgans and their clubmates by direct military force, just ain't gonna happen.

Time for Plan B: snatching victory from the jaws of defeat.

Rockefeller minion and Nazi shyster cum OSS agent Allen Dulles does his bit in Berne, Switzerland setting up the escape routes by which about ten thousand top Nazi mass murderers and war criminals will evade prosecution to live and fight another day on behalf of the ruling class.

Meanwhile, the folks back home are busy working on the key element of Plan B, mind control.

The Rockefellers and the boys form yet another of America's endless legion of fascist "think tanks" and propaganda mills, the American Enterprise Insitute (AEI).

The AEI is based on the American Enterprise Association (AEA), formed a few years earlier in New York by the president of the cancerous Johns Manville corporation, Lewis H. Brown.

In a land teeming with murderous corporate bastards, Lewis stands out as a particularly psychopathic specimen.

According to its own propaganda, the AEI is a "private, nonpartisan, not-for-profit institution dedicated to research and education on issues of government, politics, economics, and social welfare".

 The same propaganda claims that the AEI is "dedicated to preserving and strengthening the foundations of freedom—-limited government, private enterprise, vital cultural and political institutions, and a strong foreign policy and national defense,"

Well, ain't that just swell?

In reality, of course, the AEI is a major propaganda and thought control arm of the ruling clas dedicated to advancing the financial interests, racist agenda and social and political control of the ruling class in the United States and around the world.

The money to finance the AEI's agenda comes, it would seem, from the usual suspects but, in reality, a very large proportion of it is picked from the pockets of those select Americans who actually pay taxes since the donations to the AEI are tax deductible.

Over the next sixty years, AEI "fellows" will infect American government, academia and the media, flooding all channels of communication with the AEI's neofascist, racist philosophy. 

Matte_Black's picture

So... WWIII is a bad thing then. Right?

High Plains Drifter's picture

Bullhorn Jones, in the MSM now, written by a man who works for the SPLC. Strange stuff, enough to make any wise person scratch their prospective heads and wonder just who this man called Jones really is. He is no friend of liberty, as the late Bill Cooper would say...

Ted Celeste's picture

HPD - I have enjoyed a lot of the things you have said on this site; others, not so much.  But to each his/her own, as always.


Why come onto this site and attack Alex Jones?  I could come up with a number of things I don't like/disagree with him on - as I could with the author of this post, "George Washington" - but both of those men are adding value to what's happening in America today.  Both AJ and GW are doing good things, even if we may not agree on everything they say.


So to you, HPD - why attack someone that's trying to help "awaken" people, to use the cliche?  What is your agenda?  What are you bringing to the table?

(In the main, I still like you, and I genuinely want an answer, whether I get one or not.  As for "wang" - just go somewhere and die.  You are useless.)


New World Chaos's picture

I stumbled into Zero Hedge thanks to Alex Jones, and surely I am not the only one...

Ted Celeste's picture

Cool.  AJ ain't the answer, but he's trying and is a good dude.  Best wishes to you, NWC.

max2205's picture

Time for Mar Attacks. Bring on the aliens from area 19

Quixote2's picture

Saudi Arabia:  "We are the US military and we are here to help you."

RocketmanBob's picture

Greetings GW,

I personally think something needs to be done about the Iranian regime, and would been happy to volunteer to fly the strike if I were still in the saddle.  That said though, I believe the most prudent course of action in Iran at this time is covert, working with the organic revolutionary elements rather than a more kinetic action.

But  you have a good point about war being harmful to the economy in the long run; I'm firmly on board with you there.  We only need to look at the last 10 years to see evidence of that; factors that when compounded by the poor decision making by corporate types, bureacrats, and politicians make what migt have been hiccups in our economic continuums into serious declines instead.

I do think you might have chosen to not link the post criticizing Broeder so close on the heels of his demise.  Perhaps you were unaware of his passing this week.  It doesn't change the validity of his opinion, but, well, you know...


Thought provoking as usual!

My Regards

Confuchius's picture


What do you know about Iran? Have you lived there? Do you speak Farsi?

Do you know it is really called "Persia" and it has been right there for four thousand six hundred years?

How long have you been around?

RocketmanBob's picture

As a matter of fact, I know a bit about Iran.  Have I ever lived there?  Well, no, but I've spent a great deal of time in the region just offshore.  Do I speak Farsi?  Outside of pleasantries, no I don't.

I've had some fairly high level of contact with some Iranians though; running off some of their nosy aircraft that came closer to the fleet than command chose to allow.  These all happened around 3 miles up, so, that's pretty high level I'd say.

And I've known quite a few Iranians that fled in the 70's.  You know what Confuscious? They chose to call themselves Persians and refer to Iran as Persia as well.  And all educated people are aware of their long history.

But many thinking people realize what would be the ramifications of their acquiring nuclear weapons.  You see Confuscious, they'd most likely use them.  Ah-My-Dinner-Jacket thinks he's the 12th Imam, or something, and believes he's going to usher in the new caliphate.  And here's the punchline Confuscious; they have no problem absorbing any retaliatory strikes because they believe that martyrdom will be just dandy.  Never mind the poor schmucks that have to go on living...

So let me ask you Confuscious.  What do you know about Iran/Persia?  What do you know about Ahmadi-Nejad? Can you say with metaphysical certitude that they won't nuke their neighbors to win quick and dirty? What do you know about national security?

And, what exactly is your point?