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Fort Knox U.S. Gold Reserves to be Independently Audited and Assayed? Congressman Ron Paul Pressures U.S. Treasury

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Fort Knox U.S. Gold Reserves to be Independently Audited and Assayed? Congressman Ron Paul Pressures U.S. Treasury 

Gold has given up much of yesterday’s modest gains and is marginally lower in all currencies except the Swiss franc. The euro has stabilized despite continuing contagion concerns and an existential threat to the euro currency itself.

Cross Currency Rates

Gold remains close to record nominal highs in all major currencies but media coverage in the UK, Ireland and Europe remains minimal and skeptical. Focus continues to be almost exclusively on bond, equity and currency markets – with little or no coverage of gold.

The ramifications of contagion and a euro currency crisis which would lead to the price of gold in euros surging has not been covered in the media. This is of course bullish as it shows a continuing lack of understanding and appreciation of gold’s importance as a diversification and a safe haven asset.

The rout in peripheral Eurozone bond markets, and the Greek market in particular, seen yesterday has abated somewhat with prices stabilizing in most markets.  Portugal is the exception and its 10 year bond has risen to a new euro era record high of 11.124%.

World Gold Reserves, December 2010. Source Wikipedia via World Gold Council

Congressman Ron Paul, the Republican presidential candidate who is chairman of the U.S. House Financial Services subcommittee and chairs the House's Subcommittee on Domestic Monetary Policy plans to question U.S. Treasury officials next Thursday (June 23) about the U.S. gold reserves and get them to testify regarding the authenticity of the nation’s gold reserves.

This is an important question given the increasingly precarious state of the U.S.’ finances and is important to the gold market as the unaudited U.S. gold reserves are the largest holdings of gold bullion in the world (see table above).

Paul, who has said he thinks it's possible there is no gold at Fort Knox, recently said that the government is asking the American people to trust that all the gold is there, while not allowing site visits or an audit.

Foreign currency reserves and gold minus external debt based on 2010 data. Source: CIA factbook

Paul has introduced legislation that would require an independent audit of the 5,000 plus tons of gold bullion that is believed to stored in the Fort Knox, Kentucky vault. The audit would include other U.S. gold reserves held in government facilities in Denver, West Point and the New York Federal Reserve Bank in lower Manhattan.

Paul is also calling for some of the bars to be assayed and tested by a laboratory in order to prove that it is investment grade gold bullion as the U.S. Treasury Department says. There have been unconfirmed reports that the Chinese received a shipment of large gold bullion bars from the U.S. that contained tungsten.

Last August Paul said that "if there was no question about the gold being there, you think they would be anxious to prove gold is there." He has been pressing the point since the early 1980s, when he was a member of the U.S. Gold Commission.

Gold Reserves Per Capita. Source World Gold Council

Paul’s recommendation back then was that Congress audit the gold reserves. It was rejected by 15 of the Gold Commission's 17 members.

Lack of transparency leads to corruption which is one of the reasons for our current crisis.

Given the growing risks posed to the US dollar as global reserve currency, an audit is important as it may allay the concerns of GATA (Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee) and their followers about whether US gold reserves have been sold or lent into the gold market thereby artificially suppressing the gold price.

An audit might help restore faith in the dollar which is being debased with the dollar now trading at less than a 1,500th of an ounce of gold.

The US dollar has lost 97% of its value in the last 97 years – since the foundation of the Federal Reserve (see most watched video in the world on gold bullion so far in 2011 - here). The debasement has accelerated since the U.S. came off the Gold Standard in 1971.

If Ron Paul’s reasonable requests lead to an audit that establishes that the U.S. gold reserves are substantially less than the over 8,100 tons that they are meant to be, the dollar will be at risk of falling the last 3% in a shorter time frame. 


(Reuters) -- GLOBAL MARKETS-Euro, stocks fall on Greek contagion worries

(Wall Street Journal) -- PRECIOUS METALS: Gold, Silver Lower In Asia; Eyes On Euro-Zone Meet

(San Francisco Chronicle) -- Gold Gains in New York as Central Bank Buying May Support Demand

(Daniels Trading) -- Purchase of gold by central banks thru April exceeds 2010 totals

(Bloomberg) -- Gold Climbs for Third Day on Demand for Haven From Beleaguered Currencies


(Business Week) -- Ron Paul's Fort Knox Fever

(MoneyWeek) -- What the '70s bull run can teach us about today's gold market

(Stockhouse) -- Many a gold and silver stock moved by GATA supporters

(MarketWatch) -- Stock collapse and $12,000 gold?


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Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:03 | 1377053 YHC-FTSE
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Bollocks. I've seen this headline before. This circus of "Will we or won't we audit" has been going on since probably 1974. 

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:35 | 1377111 dwdollar
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I don't see how any good comes out of it.  If they do 'compromise' it will be a government audit and a 5 minute press conference with a select few MSM cameras pointing at a one bar thick wall of gold-plated tungsten.  Then the networks will spend a whole week trying to destroy Ron Paul's crediblity.


Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:43 | 1377148 YHC-FTSE
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Damned if they do, damned if they don't. That describes the world so perfectly right now.

The televised showing of 8000 tonnes of gold plated tungsten will have other effects too. None of them too good for the goldbugs and doomers, until the next crisis. 

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:52 | 1377174 GetZeeGold
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They just need to put a nanny-cam in the vault.


Problem solved.


Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:57 | 1377191 TheTmfreak
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Well then they could rig it like on Speed. Better hope that damn lady doesn't move her purse again...

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 09:30 | 1377286 JFK.4PREZ
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Timmy likes to call it a satchel.  

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 09:30 | 1377276 AnAnonymous
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Damned if they do, damned if they don't. That describes the world so perfectly right now.


Yep, US citizenism at best. No different from WMDs in Iraq as the mad man Saddam Hussein was urged to prove he had not WMDs when he had none.

Just as US citizens wanted the mad man to have WMDs, they want the vaults to be empty. No result can change that.


US citizens nature is eternal.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 12:41 | 1377922 knowless
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if the vaults were full, then a dollar revaluation to gold standard based on holdings could make goldbugs immensely wealthy sans confiscation. if's it's empty, then that's a whole nother issue.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 16:35 | 1378711 Whalley World
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Goldbugs and Doomers, nice to place fiscally responsible investors who prefer a monetary metal with a 5,000 year history in the same boat as doomers.  Some of us just want to preserve our wealth, get it?

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 18:22 | 1378936 YHC-FTSE
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Goldbugs and doomers - I include myself in that category, get it? Prat.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:57 | 1377180 Pladizow
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Ron is going up against a corrupt US Gov that will do anything to protect the $ reserve status.

At best Ron will face a similar outcome to the Trump/Birth certificate fiasco.

The US Gov will fake what it needs to fake to prove their stance and silence opposition.

Trump was silly enough to ask the US Gov to provide a document that a division of the US Gov can replicate/fake at will.

If Ron continues to pursue this, he may eventually get what he's asking for, but the curtain will open, a big show will be put on, the assayed results will be faked and he will be marginalized and forced to withdraw like Trump.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 09:41 | 1377305 scratch_and_sniff
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The only good thing is that if he takes a head shot at some point, he is close to the end of his life anyway, so atleast he has lived...a little bit of him probably wants to die if you ask me, people go like that eventually, its kinda sad.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 10:03 | 1377380 Pegasus Muse
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"Trump was silly enough to ask the US Gov to provide a document that a division of the US Gov can replicate/fake at will."

That being the case why did O'bummer post a fraudulent document on the website?  And why did MSM inexplicably & mysteriously drop the entire matter?

Obama Birth Certificate Faked In Adobe Illustrator - Official Proof 1 ( Layers )

Obama Birth Certificate Faked In Adobe Illustrator - Official Proof 2 ( Optimizing )

Obama Birth Certificate Faked In Adobe Illustrator - Official Proof 3 ( Short Form )

Obama Birth Certificate Faked In Adobe Illustrator - Official Proof 4 ( OCR / Optimizing ) 

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 11:04 | 1377578 Libertarians fo...
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carnival barking idiot!  

You, nor the producer of those videos, haven't the slightest clue how Adobe Illustrator separates text from its background or how OCR works.

Even Faux News - who has been trumpeting the "birther" movement from its inception - has suddenly tried to smoke bomb their own pumping of the birth certificate story by discrediting this bullshit Adobe scandal. For the past two years, Faux News was nothing but the National Enquirer by proxy for the Tea Party, and now, suddenly, they treat the birther story like it's kryptonite. Not even the super-morons like Glenn Beck will touch it, and he's the biggest court jester the media has ever created.

If this Adobe scandal had any legitimacy, don't you think Donald Trump would have latched onto it in an attempt to reattach his face after Obama ripped it off? If it were true, don't you think Fat Ass Limbaugh would find time to pump this Adobe story in between ripping lines of oxy?

Don't be a carnival barker. 


Fri, 06/17/2011 - 11:15 | 1377624 Sean7k
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Now, I don't know how OCR works. Consequently, I have no idea who is right. However, I can say, with logic on my side, that absolutely nothing you say in your rant is relevant or supports your argument. Every statement is the use of heresay to create the illusion of support.

Don't be a carnival barker.

Further, the fact that this hospital did not exist as named in 1961 and Kenya did not become a country until 1963 are much more important problems with the document. Go back to the WH will ya?


Fri, 06/17/2011 - 11:45 | 1377721 Libertarians fo...
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That's why I provided the link, you dipshit! Obviously you didn't read it. 

In it, Faux News interviews an expert who discredits the entire Adobe scandal. Are you trying to tell me that you'd believe my words over his?

For Faux News - the universal hub of anti-Obama propaganda - to suddenly back peddle away from the "birther" movement speaks volumes on the lunacy of the subject matter, and is far more convincing than a boring tutorial on OCR for those who know nothing about it and would never know if I'm telling the truth or not.

Besides, why would I ever want to explain how OCR works to a faux-philosopher who prefers to argue that mathematics and physics isn't factual?

I can't even imagine where I'd begin the OCR tutorial with you. I'd probably have to start at the big bang.  And then you'd attempt to discredit OCR .000000000001 seconds later. 







Fri, 06/17/2011 - 11:55 | 1377755 Sean7k
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I found the link before your comment and watched it. Like I said, I don't know enough to believe either one, which is why I made no conclusion. 

Faux news is owned by Murdock, a well known Bilderberger insider. If you are truly fooled by the game played there, you need serious help.

As you never participated in that discussion, I find it interesting you would have it ready to quote. I find it just as interesting that you neither refute my points above nor the ones in the previous posts. You merely attempt to slander through association.

Did you forget which avatar you're trolling under?

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 12:24 | 1377798 Libertarians fo...
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I don't know enough to believe either one, which is why I made no conclusion....

For someone who doesn't think math or physics is factual, there is NO DOUBT IN MY MIND that you don't believe much of anything, regardless of merit, facts or who posts it. 

If you can tell me that you're reasonably sure gravity exists, I might consider pursuing this with you, otherwise this is just another knife fight with a hemophiliac.  No doubt, you're the first person on Earth who would carnival bark outside the math department at CalTech.  Next day's newspaper headline in Pasadena:  Philosopher goes Nuts!  Cognito Ergo Sum leads to doubt whether 2+2=4.

By the way, the fact that you said you "found the link...and watched it" proves you didn't click the link, at all.  It wasn't a video. It was an article - something one reads. You assumed that since I said Faux News, it must have been a video segment of some sort. 

Winning rules!  LOL

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 12:33 | 1377858 Sean7k
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I watched the link from the actual debunker. It is a video. I prefer my information "unfiltered". Like I said above, you continue to NOT answer my comments. Are you incapable?

If you can read for comprehension, you will see I never questioned whether gravity exists. Why do you lie? Are you intellectually challenged? I mean, that would explain alot. The algebraic proof  that one plus one does NOT equal two is well known. The example illustrates that when used inappropriately, all "laws" can be abused for the purpose of getting a desired result. Which was the point of the discussion.

I apologize if you stumbled into a discussion beyond your ability to participate and were left angry and confused. However, I think your anger may be misplaced. If your mother hadn't slept with a neanderthal, perhaps you could get up to speed.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 13:05 | 1378009 Libertarians fo...
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The algebraic proof  that one plus one does NOT equal two is well known....

Yeah, right.  p=>q is always true when p is false.  

You can believe whatever you want; you can choose to wrap your brain around mind-bending mathematical red herrings, but you'll never get an airplane off the ground using it.  Similarly, you'll always live in a deep fog if you filter your reality through false paradigms.  That applies to everything in life from airplanes in the sky to politicians on soapboxes to m/puppets in the media. Personally, I don't want to debate reality or facts with someone who get tripped up with 1+1=2.

Believe whatever you want.  It's your mind, and you're free to pollute it however you wish.


Fri, 06/17/2011 - 16:47 | 1378745 Sean7k
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Thanks for your permission. By the way, you still haven't answered a single question from any of my comments. What's the matter, trolling too difficult for you?

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 16:44 | 1379365 Pegasus Muse
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Libs for Prevarication, with all his disjointed dissimulation and troll gibberish evokes a mental image of Gabby Johnson. 

You remember Gabby: 

Like Mayor Johnson said, "Now who can argue with that ...." 

Hell, who would want to?

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 11:55 | 1377756 ATM
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All the article says is that it's probably an unaltered pdf. I'm not exactly sure what that proves other than the theory that the pdf was altered is a little less likely.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:10 | 1377055 Zedge Hero
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We are screwed when that vault door opens, hellllo? (helllo echo) anybody in here? Holy Sh#@$T , it's all gone. 



Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:10 | 1377057 Max Hunter
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Not going to happen.. It would be the end.. There is little gold left.. It's been stolen.. by.. guess who..

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:18 | 1377081 Michael Victory
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Not going to happen..

I'll believe it when I I see it.

Mabe not even then.

Keep stackin, this year a snap back in precious metals could be very fast, and of course the presumed sell-off may not happen.

Holding Metals in a Market Selloff


Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:20 | 1377092 blindfaith
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guess who?  to many name come to mind.

Yes, if the curtains are pulled back and there is a empty stage, the show IS over.  Maybe that is what is needed to get Americans to wake up.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:37 | 1377125 Manthong
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So, somebody take a SWAG.. If it was proven that the US gold reserves was a file cabinet full of lease agreements, what would happen to the price?

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 09:21 | 1377261 augie
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probably the same thing that happened to silver a few weeks ago. Price will go parabolic and the CME will Raise margins to "curb volatility." I love Dr. Paul, i would gladly lay down my life in defense of what he believes, but i think we all know there is no turning this economy around. 

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 10:08 | 1377388 JFK.4PREZ
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They'll find a way to subdue the price within a week but the story would unfold something like this....

Some politician will say that it's a boon that we 'sold' it because we need more credit and liquidity in the markets - not some ancient relic which has no importance in this modern global economy.   Then he or she may add that this proves theyre getting serious about reducing the deficit... starting with this whopping 228 billion sale.  Unfortunately the MSM will cover this story for a total of 2 hours before Charlie Sheen's death takes precedance.  

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 12:47 | 1377940 knowless
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#winning the future

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:46 | 1377147 shortus cynicus
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Clear case: Osama Bin Laden... hmm no, this one is already killed twice.

Maybe Gaddafi? 

I bet, we find Gaddafi's passport in that vault.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:08 | 1377059 Quintus
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Well, the Government is always keen to tell us, when hacking back yet another one of our precious and hard won civil liberties, that 'If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear'.

So then, I assume that an audit will be allowed with no objections at all, since clearly there is nothing to hide.

The response of the authorities to Paul's audit push will be as revealing as the audit itself, I should think.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:07 | 1377061 Caveman93
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Gold? We don't need no stinkin gold!

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:07 | 1377062 Gringo Viejo
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Never happen. If there exists the amount that Treasury states I'll shit in my hat. That gold is long gone.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:58 | 1377194 Saxxon
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Agreed.  The treasury said it is there; therefore it is, even if it isn't. Does anyone think the treasury and the WH are going to lose that face before anyone?  The gold is there and there will be no assay or audit.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:11 | 1377065 TwoShortPlanks
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Old Mother Hubbard more like it.

Won't take long and Paul will be suicided or experience one of those, "oh, the escape slide in the back of the 727 just went off by accident, luck it didn't mess with any flight controls" type moments.


Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:11 | 1377067 swissinv
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meanwhile I'd put the US and Germany rather at the end of the country list

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:12 | 1377068 css1971
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He has been pressing the point since the early 1980s

So... Not very effective then.


Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:17 | 1377084 Sofa King
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There is a reason they have been avoiding the will reveal substantially more gold than the estimates.

That will be the death blow for all the "Cash for Gold" kiosks.  More unemployment to come.

Just speculating.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:42 | 1377135 swissinv
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dream on - it will just turn out like Bretton Woods

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 09:09 | 1377219 mayhem_korner
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Just speculating.

Appreciate you taking the wrong side of all these deals...was wondering where all the loonies were.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 10:16 | 1377427 MachoMan
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Ok...  and your basis is....

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 10:56 | 1377562 downrodeo
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so the existence of the thesis automatically creates the antithesis...

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:13 | 1377070 cfosnock
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I'm sick and tired of the tungsten rumor. Either put up or shut up.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:14 | 1377073 Quintus
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Isn't that what Ron Paul is trying to do?

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:14 | 1377085 cfosnock
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No because if tungsten was delivered you do not need to audit Fort Knox. All you have to do is show someone the bars that were supposedly delivered

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:35 | 1377118 Quintus
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If Tungsten was delivered AND DISCOVERED by the recipient, you can bet that they received full compensation and replacement by the seller with a non-disclosure gagging order too.  Everything will be denied.  Like it never happened.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:45 | 1377154 cfosnock
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I agree but then were does the "rumor" come from...I would propose that they make an announcement and produce the bars if they had real gold. It would hurt the seller and your gold would be worth that much more.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 13:39 | 1378111 zerozulu
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The thing is, lying does not hurt Amerika any more.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:37 | 1377124 tmosley
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lol, you think China would let that happen?

They are too busy extracting resources and favorable agreements with this lovely bit of data.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:26 | 1377101 Trundle
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Latest conspiracy theory (aka investigative journalism applied to relevant facts) has several stories that Dominique Strauss-Kahn was taken down in his honey pot scandal because he was about to drop the dime on the US treasury regarding the quality of gold that is being offered to the IMF as collateral for further funding of bailouts.  Putin and the Pakistanis (who have good reason to undermine) weight in on the scandal.  Also involved was that Egyptian Central Banker who also was involved in his own honey pot scandal a week or two after Strauss-Kahn went down.  The narrative suggests that Strauss-Kahn was relying on the Egyptian Central Banker for confirmed evidence regarding gold laminated tunsten bars and he was taken down before he could divulge.

Among others.


Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:27 | 1377106 doggings
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yes Tyler covered this  Sorcha Faal nonsense here.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 09:56 | 1377353 Trundle
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I agree, Sorcha Faal is all misinformation, but does it make sense that two bankers would be taken down so close to each other using the same honey pot construct?  Maybe, but many are sexual deviants and they can drop the dime on these guys anytime. So, something is up.  Maybe just not this.

If Treasury refuses to allow the Paul gold audit, this just feeds the frenzy as the

Europeans, Russians, Pakis pile on. 

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:33 | 1377112 ThisIsBob
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Don't forget:  Shiney side out.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:14 | 1377072 DrunkenMonkey
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Expect Mr Paul to have an 'accident' sooner rather than later.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:35 | 1377129 cossack55
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Which one?

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:11 | 1377074 Sudden Debt
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What's the gold in the Euro area good for if it's not centralized and used to back up the euro?


Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:11 | 1377075 serotonindumptruck
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So-called independent auditors and assayers can be corrupted (in their findings) just as easily as any gold bars can be corrupted with tungsten cores.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:12 | 1377076 Eric Cartman
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I'll audit Fort Knox. 

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:51 | 1377157 hamurobby
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And I will help, I have my pocket gram scale ready!

What I want to know is, why isnt GLD on the list in the top five?

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:17 | 1377080 Troy Ounce
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What Paul should do is announce publicly that the gold will be transported out of Fort Knox to another secure vault for an undisclosed time.

What you will see then is that all the leasing/swapping cockroaches will come out of the woodwork.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:17 | 1377082 Sean7k
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I'll be more interested to see what the treasury official's comments are. There is a real possibility of perjury if an audit were completed. 

Paul has been tilting at FED windmills for his entire career. They will remain windmills as long as the FED can fend him off. 

As the FED owns the Federal government, this makes good theatre, but I have found that the sooner you realize we live in a police state, the sooner you can make the necessary adjustments to survive it.

You can't fix broken, stupid or America. 

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:36 | 1377130 cossack55
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I think your last sentence contained redundancies.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:44 | 1377152 Sean7k
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Nice catch. lol

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 09:04 | 1377197 shortus cynicus
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the sooner you can make the necessary adjustments to survive it

It is enough if your gens survive, you don't need live to long up to the biological end.

Natural way to day for a man, is by defending its genetical inheritence, by providing resources AND by eliminating the the enemy.

If state decide to be an enemy, so be it.


Not everyone can decide how to live, but anyone can decide how to die.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 10:21 | 1377442 Vic Vinegar
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Interesting perspective, and one not exclusive to you.  This mindset is on display daily across the pages of the web.

Are you really willing to die over this?  Are you sure you understand that this is both a plan and the natural progression of man?

Don’t fight human nature…man has gov’t and world gov’t is the next stage of the game.  Today we are just living through the finalization of such.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 12:46 | 1377937 mick_richfield
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The above comment is an example of what's called (by a great SF writer, Iain M. Banks) a "battle meme". 

Although this is about the simplest example of one you can find.  Boiled down, it says "Your defeat is inevitable.  You should retreat or surrender."

The point of a battle meme is to insert it into your opponent's thoughts, so that he mistakes it for one of his own. 

Sometimes they are single words, i.e. "Progressive". "Fascist."

If you can recognize when these simple battle mems are being used against you, they can provide valuable insights into your enemy's true capability.  For example, if he resorts to something as simple as the "you should surrender" meme, it probably indicates that he has no more effective attack available.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 13:48 | 1378129 DoChenRollingBearing
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Nice comment.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 21:31 | 1379333 RockyRacoon
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Yes, and CD should be our candidate to follow up on that.   He could write an article about this concept which most of us would enjoy.  There would be the usual "too long" comments, but that trollish behaviour is to be expected.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 00:32 | 1379608 Vic Vinegar
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I realize I'm way late to the party (i.e., too late to comment for anyone of note to see, but I have respect for the intellect and idealism of the three commenters above).

I am not saying anyone's defeat is inevitable.  I am only saying change happens.  We all - myself included - need to get over ourselves.

I don't want to die fighting this, and yet I don't want to sell out.  I am just saying things go on that are much bigger than ourselves or our ideals.

Adapt or die, bitchez.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 16:55 | 1378755 Sean7k
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I believe that the natural progression of man is towards liberty rather than slavery. The elimination of government is the beginning of liberty.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 00:42 | 1379626 Vic Vinegar
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Sean7k, I agree with you.  I'm just saying the manifestation of that might not happen until about the year 5000.  We need to make plans in the interim.  I'm not making it until then and neither are you!

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 10:54 | 1377551 Uncle Remus
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Game over man. Game over.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:17 | 1377089 gimli
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They won't find much there ...... just an old meat freezer on wheels and an empty pair of hand-cuffs.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:26 | 1377104 Trundle
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Is that where they kept Osama?

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:18 | 1377090 Soul Train
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damn, why is it so difficult for this inspection to be done?

Ron Paul is in a congressional leadership position, head of his committee.

who exactly is the gatekeeper???

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 11:38 | 1377710 Founders Keeper
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[damn, why is it so difficult for this inspection to be done?]---Soul Train

Hi Train.

I'm afraid the answer is not specific nor sophisticated.

If the gold was there, audits would be regular, reliable, and objective. The results of which would be readily available in order to bolster public confidence during these uncertain times.

The fact that the govt is avoiding an audit should tell everyone the govt is hiding information they are scared to death to reveal.

Scare to death of what?

Assume there is no gold. I hope I'm wrong.


Fri, 06/17/2011 - 13:47 | 1378135 DoChenRollingBearing
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I hope you are wrong as well.

Whether the gold is there or not, everryone should become their own central bank: But gold!

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:20 | 1377094 unwashedmass
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the reasons why they can't do it should be interesting.

so how do you suppose they take out Ron before hearing? small plane? crazed supporter in NH?

i suppose the sex scandal ploy is kinda far fetched with him.



Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:24 | 1377095 unwashedmass
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the reasons why they can't do it should be interesting.

so how do you suppose they take out Ron before hearing? small plane? crazed supporter in NH?

i suppose the sex scandal ploy is kinda far fetched with him.



Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:26 | 1377099 High Plains Drifter
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He has been pressing the point since the early 1980s, when he was a member of the U.S. Gold Commission.<<<<

no shit?................

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 13:11 | 1378020 zerozulu
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If 6% of "US Gold" rot annually, there is nothing left anyway.





(6% maintanence fee)

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:26 | 1377100 overmedicatedun...
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Mr Paul speaks to the point very well in speeches , yet when asking questions to the fed he constantly makes his remarks off point and confusing..why is that? I do not know.

how much gold is in ft knox is not the big question.. the stealing of trillions and off shoring of same is much more important.

I am beginning to feel Mr Paul has remained alive because he has agreed to never get to the inherent conflicts with the fed and it's owners

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:28 | 1377102 doggings
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have you seen Eric Carbonel's latest videos on the ESF?

gold reserves

 - from

big news


Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:29 | 1377105 centerline
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Most likely we wouldn't be able to trust the results anyhow.  Who says the auditors would not be part of the game too?  Man - it really sucks to think like this.  But, hey... this is what happens when government gets too big and central banks are allowed to own a countries money supply.  We were warned long ago and now we are paying the price.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:32 | 1377109 silvertrain
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Why in the hell would UT purchase 1b in physical Gold and have it STORED in New York is beyond me....

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:31 | 1377117 Mr. Majestic
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TPTB will pull an Auric Goldfinger and nuke the site before they allow an audit.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 14:15 | 1382752 Antipodeus
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That would mean that somewhere it would be raining droplets of gold, wouldn't?  Whee!! ;=))

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:35 | 1377119 BlackholeDivestment
Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:38 | 1377127 JPMorgan
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If there is nothing to hide then having the gold at Fort Knox audited and randomly tested by a independent every 12 months shouldn't be a problem.

Simple as that.

It could prove to be the biggest gold heist in history if all they actually have is a I.O.U / out on loan.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 09:30 | 1377287 AnAnonymous
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If there is nothing to hide then having the gold at Fort Knox audited and randomly tested by a independent every 12 months shouldn't be a problem.


The US has something to hide: the inventory is bigger than told.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 11:53 | 1377747 Founders Keeper
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[It could prove to be the biggest gold heist in history if all they actually have is a I.O.U / out on loan.]---JPMorgan

I.O.U.s.  Reminds me of the Soc Security Trust Fund.


Fri, 06/17/2011 - 13:48 | 1378138 Strider52
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I think I remember FOFOA saying we traded gold to the saudis to keep the price of oil down, although I could be wrong.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 13:04 | 1377994 zerozulu
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roughly, 8,000 tonnes of gold is worth US$390 trillions. This covers about half the liabilities. what about the other half liabilities?

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:26 | 1378481 Urban Redneck
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Not if you are valuing gold anywhere the Comex price - it's $400 Billion (about one half of the 2009 shovel ready stimulus).

8,133.5 tons
x 2000 lbs/ton
x 16 oz/lb
x1535 $/oz
= $399,517,520,000

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:38 | 1377136 mayhem_korner
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The audit plan revealed...

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:47 | 1377150 swissinv
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if this audit is done, the USD is gone... and you don't create a new currency backed with tungsten after a confidence crise... the inspection will never happen, NFW!

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 09:00 | 1377199 mayhem_korner
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Is Gold in Mass Quantities (GMQ) the new WMD?

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 09:18 | 1377237 doggings
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haha, as in "worth invading for"?

i should think so, yes

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:46 | 1377155 Vincent Vega
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Assuming the gold is there (big assumption). I would still have two questions: 1) who 'owns' it? 2) is it unencumbered?

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 09:03 | 1377198 hamurobby
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Me too.

There is this little detail about the "Federal reserve private bank" being paid 6% (I think?) annually for their services. How exactly have they been getting "paid" for the last 98 years?

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 09:25 | 1377266 Dr. No
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Are you kidding me?  The FED and its large bank shareholders own most of america, and after QE2, Europe as well.  Pretty good gig if you can get it.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 09:50 | 1377330 hamurobby
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I think that's more of a result of their operations, than what their payment agreement was to begin with.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:46 | 1377156 Dr. No
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If there is gold in there, I recommend selling it to cash buyers.  If there is no gold in there, that is hugely bullish for gold price.  An immediate shoot to $3000/oz and beyond.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 08:52 | 1377160 johnQpublic
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No God!!

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 09:15 | 1377226 doggings
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lol :)  -8100 

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 09:07 | 1377203 Sizzurp
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In 1933, when FDR confiscated gold, the 94% gold coins were melted into bars and placed into gov. vaults.  These are virtually the only 94% bars in existence since most "good delivery" bars are .9999 pure gold.  Lately there have been rumors that some of these 94% bars have found there way onto the market.  If that is the case, there are strong questions as to where they have come from.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 09:12 | 1377230 Sofa King
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I guess only the goverment can melt old coins into bars...go ahead, junk me, like I give a shit.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 14:33 | 1378302 akak
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Pre-1934 US gold coins were 90% gold, not 94%.

But your point still stands, as the numismatic premium of even the most common circulated pre-1934 US gold coins is noticeably higher than their melt value, so to answer the simpleton who posted immediately above me here, NOBODY but the 1930s US government would be or would have ever melted any US gold coins into bars.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 09:11 | 1377215 overmedicatedun...
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pladizow, thanks for keeping the avatar..seems some have lost the tata's

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 09:20 | 1377244 Winston Smith 2009
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My reaction to anything Ron Paul claims he'll actually accomplish which, coincidentally, may also be what they'll hear when they open the Fort Knox vaults at some point in the future:

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 09:23 | 1377254 Sofa King
Fri, 06/17/2011 - 09:24 | 1377258 proLiberty
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The audit should also cover whether and to what extent any of the gold is encumbered in any way.


Fri, 06/17/2011 - 09:21 | 1377263 stant
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i tunnled in there right after the clinton era. and got the last 2 bars. spent it on women and booze the rest i pissed away

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 09:36 | 1377294 XitSam
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Let's wait for the hearing and watch them tap dance. Then Tyler can just bulk repost all these comments. 

Go Ron, End the Fed!

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 09:41 | 1377317 optimator
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Dr. Paul put his money where his mouth is.  Look at his investment portfolio, surprised?

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 21:36 | 1379339 RockyRacoon
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I like it when people see this and say, "Hey, he's just talking his book."

Uh-huh.   Like revealing all this crap could go one way or the other.  It's not a lock that the "price" of gold would matter.   Dr. Paul probably owns most of the first gold he ever bought.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 10:06 | 1377395 theprofromdover
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Dr Paul's first challenge on Thursday is to keep the questions short & simple.

If he manages that, he might be onto something.

If he stays true to character, the muppet the Treasury put in front of him will be able to say anything he wants to, cos the question will have got lost in translation.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 10:18 | 1377423 Boxed Merlot
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Of course it always comes down to trust, truth and verification. What we're witnessing is nothing more than the generational baton transfer.

40 generations ago the question was posed of the central bankers of the day, does the depository give gold it's value or does the gold give the depository it's value?

The allegation was made that the depository could be destroyed but that within 3 days it would / could be rebuilt.

The allegation couldn't be verified until the destruction, and the rest is history.

Belief is funny that way.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 12:51 | 1377954 zerozulu
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It used to be,"In Gold We Trust." but after adding Tungsten it was changed for honesty sake, " In God We Trust."


Fri, 06/17/2011 - 10:21 | 1377440 striving4simple
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when in history has a government ever left that sort of wealth alone - never!

just think about human nature and the way governments operate

I'm sure it's all but gone

8133.5 tonnes of gold is only a 7.5 meter (24.6 ft) cube


Fri, 06/17/2011 - 10:28 | 1377458 medicalstudent
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if the gold is not there... expect something to blow up somewhere.


literally, metaphorically, whatever.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 10:34 | 1377477 MrBoompi
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I'd like a look into the Comex vaults too, especially the new Morgan vault. But then again, they're government vaults as well right?

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 10:41 | 1377492 collinar
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If the banksters object to a gold audit of due to the cost, Ron Paul should counter with a list of ordinary citizen volunteers. I bet a lot of us would sign up for that. How can we be denied, it is our gold. Also, I have heard about a new tester that can detect tungsten in gold bars without having to melt them.  I think it uses a particle beam diffracton method. It can test a bar in seconds, so all the bars can be examined. Anyone else heard about this?

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 10:45 | 1377504 patb
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My brother participated in the Audit of the Gold Reserves at the NY Federal Reserve Manhattan

several times in the 80's and he said he had zero confidence in how much gold was actually in there.


Now don't go running off and buy a bunch of gold futures on that or take physical delivery, let me explain.


You all think the Gold Reserve is like out of the Bond Movie Goldfinger.  Nice bright well lighted, well guarded, open stacks, with lots of room for forklifts and cranes.  Sorry, imagine a dirty nasty filthy, unlit, unventilated basement room in a 80 year old government building.    Yep.  Folks, the Federal Reserve is an old institution and it's an old building.  

Then stop thinking, high tech, laser scanner, death rays everywhere.  It's just a guard at a desk,

where you sign in and go down a little tiny elevator into the basement.  Think rattletrap, 1920's era open cage, shuddering and jolting.  

Then you go down and with the key they give you, you sign the door registry book and unlock a door that has the windowless, airless storage.  Yes, technically there is a 60 watt lightbulb in the ceiling, but, it casts a very dim glow because, you see the gold is stacked up to the ceiling.

the gold is on pallets, and the pallets are really old and the pallets have been stacked 12 feet up.


So imagine a somewhat nerdy group of 3 men in suits, sent into a dusty, cobweb, roach, spider, hellish basement.  Now here is how a metals audit is supposed to be done. Check the ledger, determine the total number of bars, then go into the vault and count the bars, verifying quantity.  Then from the ledger, randomly pull 1%, 1:300? of the bars , write down the serial numbers, and go into the vault and verify the bars are there by serial number.  Then take 10% of those so you are talking 1:1000 to 1:3000 bars, send them to an assay lab and have them assayed.  


Now here's what happened.  3 guys in suits take one look at the teetering, rickety, dangerous stacks with narrow little creepways between them. They all say "I am not ruining a $500 suit to get back there".  A little mini standoff occurs as the boss orders them in and they reply "It's dangerous, and if i get hurt, I will sue you personally and BTW, My uncle is in the mob, and if i get hurt, he will put a

hit on you".  


So they stand near the door, get some flashlights, and try to estimate if the pallet count looks close to the estimate for the bar count.  9 pallets wide, 7 pallets high, 25 pallets deep and then X bars per pallet.  

They then look at the edge of the pallets closest to them, read off a few dozen serial numbers and verify they are in the ledger, they then take 10 bars off the top pallet closest to the door and send them to assay.  The next day they get the lab results and they return the 10 bars.  


Now to the conspiratorial minded, this is a perfect opportunity for a scheme.  


Now to the ones interested in good auditing, it's a case study in a unauditable system.  


The audit can be done, but, some serious money needs to be spent.  The bars need to be pulled, re-racked, a decent racking system needs to be designed, more volume has to be allocated and

you need lots of manpower to go in and properly count and serialize the bars.  


That's a serious investment....


Fri, 06/17/2011 - 21:47 | 1379352 RockyRacoon
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There are plenty of things that I agonize over my "tax dollars" being spent on, but that would not be one of them.  Audit away.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 07:47 | 1379921 hamurobby
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Seven pallets high? Are those the case hardened hickory pallets from the midwest?

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 11:02 | 1377546 collinar
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Opps, not clear. You can test for tungsten with a magnet or ultra-sound. The diffraction test does much more, since gold diffracts a particle beam in a unique pattern.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 11:41 | 1377709 nikku
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Ultra Sound with 10 different opertors can give you 10 different opinions. While it can detect some adulterations, it is not able to tell you whether there's an air bubble orr something more nefarious. The point here is that the Treasury said it would only take 30 minutes per bar--THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE to be able to truly assay a bar in that time. They must be referring to x-ray florescence which is a SURFACE ONLY assay. The only way to accurately assay a bar "all the way through" is to do a destructive assay, with the following exception. There is only one technology I am aware of that can actually "see through" a bar and determine it's contents to the thousandth part. The technology's proprietary and is being considered by insurance compaies to be able to insure the purity of gold holdings in certified vaults. I wrote Dr. Paul to recommend it to him.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 12:34 | 1377885 YHC-FTSE
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I thought industrial gamma radiation equipment (The type that checks welds on 16inch steel pipes) will very quickly determine whether the "gold bar" has other metals. You have to do a surface test to assay the purity of the gold as well, but this should not take very long. 

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 11:11 | 1377620 overmedicatedun...
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a president with an invalid BC? what better black mail do you need? perhaps a bisexual  drug filled encounter on film?

check both with this created suit in the white house.

the elites dream president..our man

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 11:15 | 1377621 The Pop In
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Just get Geraldo Rivera to do the audit and televise it "live", and everyone will believe it.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 11:32 | 1377664 nikku
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From a letter I wrote to Ron Paul on the subject...

"I spoke to Steven Johnson at your D.C. office about how there are problems with the Treasury's statements and he suggested I send this information to your email address. According to the article, "The Treasury document says it would cost about $15 million to conduct an audit. The process would take about 30 minutes to verify the gold content of each bar, or 350,000 man hours; to do that would would take 400 people working for six months, according to the document."

First of all, unless they destructively assay the bars (by melting down or at least thoroughly drilling through the bars along with chemical/x-ray analysis) they CANNOT ascertain if the bar is fine gold in 30 minutes--this is impossible using every technology out there (except ours)! I would guess that they are referring to an x-ray florescence scan--but that only measures the surface and WOULD SURELY MISS ANY BAR THAT IS ADULTERATED WITH TUNGSTEN (or other similar-mass alloy) COATED WITH GOLD."            
Unless they use a technology that can "see through" a bar and determine it's content to the thousandth part, this Treasury estimate would only prove that the exterior of the bars is gold!


Fri, 06/17/2011 - 12:30 | 1377882 el Gallinazo
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Care to give us a clue what your technology is? Might help the credibility of your posting. Or do you intend to sell it to Paul as a black box?

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 11:46 | 1377717 Lord Peter Pipsqueak
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First figure I heard for stock was 8,000 tons, now it is 5,000 tons, and if many a conspiracy or goldbug website is to be believed, there is virtually nothing left at Fort Knox,this means the dollar and all the treasuries and debts of the US have got virtually no gold behind them. 


If the audit never takes place,as most people expect,the above theories will then only become more credible.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 11:45 | 1377728 fonestar
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I wonder what Ron Paul's life insurance policy looks like?  Probably doesn't cover Cessna accidents or acts of TPTB.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 12:31 | 1377869 Fix It Again Timmy
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Well, it's very easy to misplace 8,000 tons of gold, I, myself, do it all the time...

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 12:31 | 1377888 zerozulu
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His next visit to New York, he will be introduced to a "Maid".

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 12:46 | 1377934 Exposer of Inte...
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What's to stop a significant number of bars to be put BACK IN just in time for the audit?

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 12:59 | 1377974 MachoMan
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audit of surveillance footage...  conferences (with experts/lie detectors) with security staff...  appearance of dust in some parts of the vaults and not others... 

a good auditor cannot give perfect assurance, but a good auditor can get pretty damn close.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 12:51 | 1377955 PulauHantu29
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"But...but...but aduiting os for THEM, not us".....quoteth the Bankers

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 13:16 | 1378034 CHARLIE.DONT.SERF

Question:  Could the gold be in the vaults yet leased out and committed to some other entity?

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 14:48 | 1378335 suckerfishzilla
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Just verify the volume that's reported to be there and then assay a small cross-section of the inventory.  You would only have to verify approximately 1% of the gold reserves to determine if further scrutinization was necessary.  If even one bar turned up fake in a mini-audit then that would justify further investigation into the matter.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:08 | 1378406 bugs_
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Now to take the other side of this "what if".  What if an independent <trusted> third party audit shows substantially more gold there than was commonly thought?

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