The Founding Fathers Would Be Proud of the People of Egypt ... And Disgusted With the People of America

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Sat, 02/12/2011 - 15:28 | 955998 Money 4 Nothing
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Please search the name "Buzzy" Crongaurd, that's all you need to know about 9/11. Forget all the symantics surrounding the theory, Money and policy are the call of the day.

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 16:13 | 956108 DavidPierre
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October 9, 2001 -

Although uniformly ignored by the mainstream U.S. media, there is abundant and clear evidence that a number of transactions in financial markets indicated specific, criminal foreknowledge of the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

In the case of at least one of these trades -- which has left a $2.5 million prize unclaimed -- the firm used to place the "put options" on United Airlines stock was, until 1998, managed by the man who is now in the number three Executive Director position at the Central Intelligence Agency.

Until 1997 A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard had been Chairman of the investment bank A.B. Brown.

 A.B. Brown was acquired by Banker's Trust in 1997. Krongard then became, as part of the merger, Vice Chairman of Banker's Trust-AB Brown, one of 20 major U.S. banks named by Senator Carl Levin this year as being connected to money laundering.

Krongard's last position at Banker's Trust (BT) was to oversee "private client relations." In this capacity he had direct hands-on relations with some of the wealthiest people in the world in a kind of specialized banking operation that has been identified by the U.S. Senate and other investigators as being closely connected to the laundering of drug money.

Krongard joined the CIA in 1998 as counsel to CIA Director George Tenet. He was promoted to CIA Executive Director by President Bush in March 2001.

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 22:26 | 956832 benb
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Yes-sir-eeKrongard placed the puts [but he wasn’t the only one] on UAL and (IIRC) according to Max Keiser the reason why the money was left unclaimed was because Krongard did not anticipate the market shutdown foiling him from cashing out anonymously. The CIA drug connection you bring up is also very important. The CIA runs the cocaine then oversees distribution in US cities.. The US Army runs the heroin. The legacy banks launder the money. The American people suffer. It is all well documented.

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 17:35 | 956293 Money 4 Nothing
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Exactly David, Thanks for the spelling correction of Buzzy's real name, I thought it was a "C". Good link too.


"The Enemy"

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 14:13 | 955880 velobabe
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Sat, 02/12/2011 - 13:40 | 955826 aerial view
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good points GW! The Egyptian people have taken the first step towards forming a better, fairer and more representative govt by revolting against a corrupt oppressive one. And hopefully without the 24 hour sports channel, DWTS and Idol, they will stay focused on the prize and avoid many of the mistakes other so called democracies have made. As for cutting off of hands for stealing, I'd bet if the American people could vote on it for theft of a million dollars or more, it would easily pass and nearly stop the never ending rampant corruption in this country and allow easy identification of these "one arm bandits".

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 12:47 | 955757 Hang The Fed
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GW is exactly right in the comparisons between Egypt's oppressive regime and our corporate-political masters in this country.  The corrupt and criminal Federal Reserve has thrown trillions of OUR dollars to prop up the banking institutions that have only existed to dupe us and rob us blind, yet Obama wants to halve the federal heating assistance for the poor (a cut of approximately $2.5 billion)?  Does that sound rational in any way, shape, or form?  Is that a government that serves its people?  We're being served, all right...being served a gigantic shit-sandwich.  I sincerely hope that these popular revolts continue to spread until we, too, find our balls and toss these useless cretins aside like the fucking trash that they are.

Viva revolucion, until we are actually once again as free as the founding fathers intended.  Fuck the Fed, fuck the government, and fuck the banks.

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 12:20 | 955709 Winston Smith 2009
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Although I realize that they were already working within a total police state, look how much it took in the levels of corruption and poverty to get sufficient numbers of Egyptians into the streets.

With the relative prosperity of the much smaller percentage considered to be impoverished in the US combined with more the sophisticated corruption and graft in our high tech, crony capitalist banana republic, it's going to take a complete economic collapse here to get J6P off the sofa... and the oligarchy will do everything possible to make sure that this collapse occurs in slow motion, like a frog in a pot being brought to a boil.

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 12:47 | 955756 Implicit simplicit
Sat, 02/12/2011 - 11:30 | 955640 downwiththebanks
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Teddy Roosevelt was a ganster, GW, and the slave-raping "founding fathers" to whom you give so much credit were totally and completely hostile to the masses in Haiti when they revolted.

The love you give to and adulation you have for the Slaver Capitalists is misplaced.

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 12:03 | 955681 AnAnonymous
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Save John Adams.

But it is right. Reality is a nasty moster. Real politik is tough, it reveals nations as they are.

The Founding Fathers had an issue: the US was a slaver nation. Haiti was not.

They had to factor in the very fact that the US freedom loving nation was in reality a slaver nation, characterizing automatically the non slaver  nation of Haiti as a danger.

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 10:28 | 955582 ivars
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After events in Tunisia and Egypt, caused by 2008 Great recession crisis, and the ones that will follow, do You not see that the probability of a popular uprising in the USA against both Republican and Democratic elites , crony capitalism has increased? The model of informed youth and middle class popular uprising is so obvious for anyone to miss.

The immediate impulse will be economy, of course. The USA economy is over-leveraged to the supreme degree, and it can not continue to withstand external shocks that , of course will continue to come. Increasing USD value because of instability plus increasing oil prices due to instability in oil producing regions. The elites of the USA will not be able to stabilize it by printing more money, because the 2 above factors combined invalidate both export potential and increase trade deficit, eating GDP away.

Who will most likely lead such an uprising, or rather, be a figurehead since such uprisings do not need to be controlled by leaders, as we have seen? Sarah Palin, from where I sit. She has the fighting spirit and , not surprisingly, she uses Facebook and Twitter to communicate with her supporters/like minded people. The common enemy will be the FED and Wall Street, and government and both parties in general. But, and again just look around, not the army and military. Not in increasingly volatile world. It reads like an open book. The only thing missing is economy tanking, double dip, and Fiscal deficits and FED presses will see that it comes very soon, as well that inflation and instability is exported to the furthest places of American interests on this planet. From then on, I see no problems for third party take over of Congress, Senate and Presidency.

Double dip comes in Q4 2011-Q1 2012, to last another 2 years.
Just in time for 2012 elections.

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 10:04 | 955558 par4
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I think 'spineless sheep' are bolder and more decisive than this generation of Americans has turned out to be. Quivering gerbils that piss their cages at the slightest disturbence is more like it.

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 09:54 | 955553 cjbosk
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I'm sure the founding fathers are proud of Egyptian men conducting Female Genital Mutilation on their daughters.  Boy, missed the mark on this on genius.

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 11:48 | 955662 downwiththebanks
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The slave-rapists probably frowned upon genital mutilation.

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 08:26 | 955491 no2foreclosures
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Stop being so greedy, and so selfish. Realize that there is more to the world than your big houses and fancy stores. People are starving and you worry about oil for your cars. Babies are dying of thirst and you search the fashion pages for the latest styles. Nations like ours are drowning in poverty, but your people don’t even hear our cries for help. You shut your ears to the voices of those who try to tell you these things. You label them radicals and Communists. You must open your hearts to the poor and downtrodden, instead of driving them further into poverty and servitude. There’s not much time left. If you don’t change, you are doomed.

So warned a young and observant English major from Indonesia in the early 1970s. The person on the receiving end of this clarion warning, almost 40 years ago, was John Perkins, a self-confessed ‘economic hit man,’ who has since realized the evil and errors of his “profession.” Mr. Perkins has subsequently written two very important books detailing what he did in his small role in the greatest Ponzi scheme in the world and in history.

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 07:51 | 955478 Zero Govt
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the Founding Fathers founded Govt, they should be ashamed of themselves

they knew the dangers of power but were too stupid and naive to recognise a rule book called The Constitution could stop the abuse of power especially a monopoly power system: government

government hoards power into one central authority. Only freedom of markets and society distributes power. Authority structures, centralised structures, in any system has failed everytime it has been tried. It implodes in its own ignorance, it explodes from its own pomposity, greed and arrogance

Enuf already. Freedom is the only option

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 07:40 | 955474 fastishplastic
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it's never enough to take to the streets against tyranny until you can imagine liberty

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 06:05 | 955441 falak pema
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Between the Eiffel tower and the statue of Liberty lies a new continent full of plastic under the water. I think I'll go live on it. It's where the future lies when the land of free home of the brave dies in a mighty belch big enough to douse the flames of every volcano from Iceland to Indonesia.

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 05:52 | 955434 loup garou
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Sat, 02/12/2011 - 11:27 | 955637 Yardfarmer
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i stand in awe guffawing as the roman candle of your incredible display of acerbic and scathing wit is slowly swallowed by the void of nescience to which it rightfully belongs.

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 10:41 | 955596 Bob
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Wow, two brilliant essays on the same page!

This must be The Rapture.  I'm ready, Lord!

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 10:07 | 955560 11b40
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Wow!  Long night, huh Loup?

Hey, Bartentender!  Gimme a double shot of what he's drinkin'.

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 06:13 | 955445 BigDuke6
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Man , i is smokin da same shit and am right with ya'

intense post dude...

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 04:09 | 955394 The Alarmist
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So, George, are you suggesting that we can skip the next elections and simply have a couple hundred thousand people show up on the Mall with signs saying "O must Go" ??? Talk about campaign finance reform!

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 03:35 | 955370 DavidPierre
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Whenever anyone dares to point out the painfully obvious fact that the U.S. and its leaders have for two hundred years consistently acted in a fashion diametrically opposed to the values which America claims to represent, that person is instantly accused of being anti-American.

Am I anti-American? I don't think so. But, if believing in free speech and real democracy is anti-American, then I guess I am.   If believing that a government should not lie endlessly is anti-American, then I guess I am. If believing that a government should not spy on its own citizens is anti-American, then I guess I am. If believing that a government should not kidnap, torture and murder is anti-American, then I guess I am.   If believing that a government shouldn't slaughter millions of innocent people simply to further enrich the same old handful of psychopathic bastards and their offspring is anti-American, then I guess I am.

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 10:44 | 955598 Bob
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Sat, 02/12/2011 - 03:07 | 955355 tony bonn
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well said george....america is a fascist totalitarian state ruled by psychopathic conceited tyrants....they have blood on their hands....

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 02:57 | 955348 benb
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GW – “The Founding Fathers … would be disgusted at the spineless sheep that the American people have become.”

I’m going to have to take that one lying down.

In defense of the livestock- We are in a Scientific Dictatorship. The population is being medicated through the food and water supply. Sophisticated mind control techniques are being run through the media in conjunction with psychotronic warfare being waged against an unsuspecting public from multiple sources. It’s not so simple. The U.S. has been hijacked.


Sat, 02/12/2011 - 03:55 | 955386 DavidPierre
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 Swiss-based Sandoz, the drug company which had synthesized the hallucinogen lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), refuses a request from the CIA, which is getting very busy with its MKUltra mind control program, for several kilograms of the drug, sufficient for a hundred million doses, enough to send just about everyone in the United States on a trip.

Nazi shyster and war criminal escape organizer cum CIA Director Allen Dulles forges a criminal conspiracy with Eli Lilly and Company to produce the drug in violation of international patent agreements.

The CIA and Eli Lilly thus become the first and largest illegal makers and distributors of LSD in the United States.

Enquiring minds might well ask what the CIA did with a hundred million doses of acid.

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 21:38 | 955918 benb
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“…what the CIA did with a hundred million doses of acid.”

Some people do understand that the pharmaceutical complex is all part of the Globalist takeover.  Of course lots of the LSD was surreptitiously distributed by the CIA to the American people. It’s a real drag when you find out that the 60’s were ‘Staged.’ The Harvard professor, Dr. Timothy Leary- Mr. Tune in, Turn on, and Drop out was CIA all the way. He was a tool of the propaganda/M K Ultra charade and was prominently run through national through TV, the periodicals, and especially that CIA propaganda rag, TIME MAGAZINE. Forty years later it is admitted that Gloria Steinem, former Playboy Bunny, who ‘became’ one of the founders of the ‘Feminist Movement’ got her dough to start Ms. Magazine from the CIA and was in fact CIA. 60’s Feminism was all a CIA op. It was part of a Globalist program whose objectives were to:

1- Break-up the family unit.

2- Get woman into the workplace so that the Central Bank controlled Federal Government could double tax households.

3- Put more children in federally controlled schools for longer periods to be propagandized and ‘shaped.’

4-Divide and conquer the public.

5- Break down public morals.

It was enormously successful in the staged take-down of the US.

What is now in progress is far worse and much more insidious.

There’s lots of info out there to introduce the political virgins to reality. For you ‘junkers’ I recommend  watching End Game (which touches on these issues.)

Sun, 02/13/2011 - 00:02 | 956996 Cathartes Aura
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I wasn't going to post on this thread as I'm not really interested in defending nationstates, particularly one that has yet to recognise, legally, "women" as equal in law to "men" - Equal Rights Amendment, still hanging out for a few more "votes" - but I can't scroll past your post benb without adding to it for clarity - no sense in feeding the haters here with more dis-info. . .

while I won't argue that the CIA "co-opts" movements, "feminism" has been around before the US was even dreamed up in the coloniser's minds - the idea that "women" deserve to be recognised as equal humans under the notion of "state" appears to be a scary concept, and rare are the nationstates that will "allow" that to be a truth, those that worship father-gods are prime examples. . .

  • Gloria Steinem did an "undercover" infiltration of the Playboy Club in NY, for a magazine article, as she was a journalist/freelance writer.
  • the majority of humans - male and female - who identify as "feminist" are NOT middle-class white females, as is Steinem, nor do they identify with her, nor do they read her magazine, etc. . . the media uses her as a monolithic meme, so that dunderheads like Rush can promote himself coining terms like "feminazi" that his gormless "dittoheads" still repeat ad nauseam.
  • anyone who genuinely believes that "feminism" is the reason for the breakdown of "public morals" has much historical reading to do.  Prior to the 70's, when females were raped, judges could mock them for their attire and say they "were asking for it" - children could be sexually abused by their fathers, report it to local police and could not guarantee any attention, because the "family home" was a patriarchal castle, sacrosanct, most police were male and reluctant to interfere with the Father's Authority.  If you doubt this, research the stats on "child sexual abuse" - virtually ZERO prior to 1970's. . . there's a reason.

as to the co-opting of "movements" - here's one for you all. . . I was living abroad until the mid-90's, when I came back to the states. . . as someone who has always loved music, worked with musicians, etc., I had seen independent music co-opted by the major corp labels. . . one of those "genre" was hip-hop, and "rap" - because the music biz loves to steal from creative black music-makers, that's the whole rock business model. . . anyhow, I was astonished at the young white males imitating black culture, a certain "walking dip", the hand gestures, verbal styles, and of course, the music - as someone who has witnessed the deep racism in many (not all) white people, I couldn't believe that these white boys were "acting black"! 

well, the music being promoted was the "gansta" style of "pimps 'n' hos" and "beatin' on the bitches" etc. - all being co-opted and celebrated by young white males. . . tell me that wasn't part of the "breakdown of public morals" - that's when sexually violent verbiage became the norm in public discourse - I can assure you, "rape" was not in the everyday language a couple of decades ago - now folk use it to describe sports plays ffs!

anyhow, obviously I could go on and on. . . but don't fall for the nonsense that "feminists" have undermined the morals of amrka - the "morals" are largely myth, the whole of "gender" is a great socialising tool used against humans being, once that false dichotomy is revealed as the tool it is, utilised as a hierarchical arrangement by mostly patriarchal institutions, then real mind and body freedom can begin to take hold.

and then, possibly, other types of "freedom" can be re-claimed.

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 02:33 | 955320 Jason Bourne
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One of the best "Fuck You to the oligarchy and way America is being led" but with hope for change posts I've read in a long time.

GW - if you were a charismatic leader this is the "I have a dream" kind of base material to help people to begin to see how fucked we are.   

Jim Wallis's quote - awesome!

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 02:32 | 955316 savagegoose
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" govornment by the banks for the banks. "

stonewall would be rolling in his grave

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 01:27 | 955235 illyia
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GW - Tavis Smiley had a fine forum recently - nice big multi-cultural-brains. Final product: Lobbying was the source of the evil. Source of Lobbying: Corporations being treated as humans.

Answer: Focus on returning corporations to their less-than-human status, thus removing access.

May not work, but a single-point focus...

"Mubarak must go"

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 10:48 | 955603 Bob
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IMO, the corporate beast, which allows legally immune pirates full license to wreak havoc upon society by means of massive accumulations of other peoples' money, has been the primary cause of our fall.  It is the great Frankenstein of capitalism

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 10:00 | 955557 11b40
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I guess mentioning Tavis Smiley automatically gets you junked.

Unfortunately, our Supreme Court just took the ball and ran the opposite direction from what should have happened, giving politicians access to unlimited corporate and special interest money...foreign governments, too.  Think about it.  How hard is it to funnel money through "friendly" corporation to a "friendly" politician.

Here is the simple solution to the problem that will never happen:

1.) Only registered voters may contribute to political campaigns.  Period.  No corporate money, no union money, no foreign money, no PAC money.

2.) All donations posted for public scrutiny, just like they are now for individuals, except they would have to be posted to the web within 24 hours of receipt.

3.) All TV and Radios stations with a Federal license would be required to provide a percentage of free air time to each nominee during the last 30 days of a Presidential election.  In addition, rates for political ads to be regulated to prohibit price gouging.

If we could somehow take about 90% out of the cost of running a political campaign, we might get a new and better class of politicians.  As the system is today, only the corrupt stand a chance of being nominated for much beyond small, relatively unimportant positions.  You must have the support of some special interest group and pledge your loyalty to them before you can hope to gain the funding and 'status' you need to run.  On top of that, if a reform minded individual accidentally happened to get a nomination, the special interests that were threatened would spend whatever it took to destroy them.

...of the crook, by the crooks, and for the crooks.  That's our system today, and there are no signs of improvement on the horizon...just the opposite.

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 11:48 | 955660 downwiththebanks
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Well said. 

#3 is still on the books, I think.  The FCC simply doesn't care.

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 01:15 | 955214 RocketmanBob
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Isn't it a bit of a stretch, at least rhetorically, to extrapolate from Thomas Paine's support for the French Revolution the notion that all of our founders supported it.  And any who may have initially, certainly changed their thinking with the rise to power of Robespierre and the ensuing reign of terror.


And what would you propose as a solution to income inequality?

Just curious...

I agree, in a sense, with your assertion that the founders would be shocked by the machinations of modern politics, and the sheep-like attitude of many citizens.  I just get the feeling we see them being surprised at different elements of what has come to pass.


Thought provoking as usual.

My Regards.

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 11:47 | 955659 downwiththebanks
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Especially since Thomas Paine got the fuck out of dodge and went to sit in the French Revolutionary Convention.

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 00:44 | 955166 gwar5
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You're all over the place George. But without passion there can be no life.

Just come out and admit it, George, you're a Tea Party member now and loving it.

That nasty freedom and liberty shit with the limited government maybe ain't so bad after all?

Periodically somebody, or something, reminds you what it would be like not to have it.

Let's hope Egypt doesn't become the next Iran.

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 00:22 | 955139 Atomizer
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George Washington,

You have to wait for 30-60 days before claiming Egypt a victory. You will understand in time.

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 23:30 | 955072 OrestesPenthilu...
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Commentary from Jim Wallis?  Gary North obliterated his credibility a looooong time ago.

Quotes from some of the worst presidents - ??


Fri, 02/11/2011 - 22:18 | 954938 Yardfarmer
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all revolutions are of the belly. while hunger is intrinsically a "gut feeling" it admits of nothing particularly admirable or commendable though it should naturally incite our sympathy. it's easy for us to sit in our comfortable loge at the world's amphitheater and applaud in hindsight the predictable outcome of thirty years and more of individual and heroic day to day struggles to little more than subsist in grinding poverty in the living terror of a repressive police state where simply to speak out puts one in peril of life. its quite another matter to realistically and with historical hindsight soberly assess the limited possibilities which await these attempts to break the shackles which inevitably bind millions of gruesomely impoverished and dispossessed individuals to the convoluted matrix of global financial imperatives. chances are that the once ignored and scorned canaille coursing through the streets of Cairo, Alexandria, and the Suez will find the exhilaration of their liberation a brief, short-lived, and passing tribute to the innate resilience which has allowed them to live, labor, and love with the innate dignity which is their greatest possession. in the meantime they await a most uncertain and perilous future at the hands of the same dark forces of oppression which have merely been transformed into the mirages of their deepest longings.

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 21:28 | 954836 Money 4 Nothing
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Thank you for summing up our state of affairs, very sobering angle and a good looking glass into our future into restoring America.

I shared this post with our blog on because I found it very topical to complatency of allot of media brainwashed denial or "normalcy biased" Americans as a whole. Thanks George Washington and ZH!

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 21:26 | 954831 Mark Noonan
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Don't praise the dawn before you see the sun rise.  I think the world will be mighty disappointed at what developes in Egypt.

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 00:10 | 955126 snowball777
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I'm sure many Brits said similar things about those upstart colonies.

Were they right?

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 21:20 | 954812 majia
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The attacks against GW's style of writing illustrate the attackers' lack of education. Formal argumentation requires that claims made be supported with evidence. GW's links are the evidence for his claims.

Claims are used to induce arguments or support deductive syllogisms.

You may not agree with his inferences or deductions, but you cannot deny that GW knows how to argue logically, rationally, empirically...

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 22:03 | 954911 Bringin It
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For some people, rational argument is not part of the agenda.  They're on a mission to attack the messenger.

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 21:05 | 954773 ebworthen
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In the end it is about what we allow to be done to us.

Much too much bleating going on; and watching the Egyptians has made me realize just how cowed and deluded we have become.

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