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The Founding Fathers Would Be Proud of the People of Egypt ... And Disgusted With the People of America
America's founding fathers stood up for their freedom, winning it from the British (with the help of the French).
The
Egyptian people have stood up for their freedom, winning it from the
Mubarak dictatorship (with the help of the army, which refused to fire a
shot at the people, and may even have helped convince Mubarak to leave.
See this and this).
The
Egyptian people found their courage even when Mubarak's thugs flew
fighter jets low over their heads, beat and murdered protesters, and
otherwise threatened violence.
But the American people today have been cowed into passivity by an irrational fear of terrorism, laziness and mindlessness.
Comparisons
But obviously, the American government is nothing like the Egyptian dictatorship, right?
Let's compare:
- There is a stunning amount of inequality in Egypt. But America is even worse
- Mubarak stole billions from his people, while the American oligarchs may have stolen trillions. See this, this, this and this
- Egypt have been living under a state of emergency for 30 years. But Americans have been living under a continuous state of emergency for 10 years straight
- Mubarak was supported by the military. But the military -industrial complex has taken over America
as well (moreover, there is a tradition in countries like Turkey for
the military to ensure that religious fanatics do not take over the
country)
- Mubarak ignored the wishes of his people. But the American government hasn't been listening to it's people either. For example, a 2010 Rasmussen poll found
that "just 21% of voters nationwide believe that the federal government
enjoys the consent of the governed". A 2010 Gallup poll determined
that nearly half of all Americans believe "the Federal government poses
an immediate threat to the rights and freedoms of ordinary citizens".
Poll after poll shows that "both national parties are deeply unpopular with an electorate looking for something new and different". Polls reveal
that 82% of all Americans wanted Wall Street to be reined in in a
substantial and meaningful manner, and yet nothing has really changed,
and the government has let Wall Street have it's way on all the
important issues. Polls find that Americans want the big financial
players who acted with fraud to be punished, and yet the government has let all of the big fish off the hook. And the government has ignored many other desires of the American people, including investigations into torture and spying on Americans, impeaching George W. Bush if he lied about Iraqi WMDs (which he did)
- Mubarak repressed his people and stifled dissent. Bush and Obama have haven't been all that protective of liberty either
- Mubarak murdered and tortured people without following the rule of law. America hasn't been wholly saintly in this regard over the last 10 years either (and see this)
I'm not saying that America is Egypt. I am saying that America today has a lot
of problems also. (And if you think those problems started on 9/11,
remember that virtually all of the current domestic and foreign policies
were already in place or planned before 9/11.)
But unlike the Egyptian people, Americans have become scared of their own shadow. We have forgotten that courage and hope are choices
- which do not have to come from John Wayne levels of testosterone, but
can simply arise from loving something enough to want to protect it.
How Did We Turn Into the Oppressor?
England oppressed America. We were the downtrodden who broke free. But now, America has helped to repress the Egyptian people (and see this and this).
How did we get on the wrong side of history?
The Egyptian People Have Changed the World
Minister Jim Wallis writes
in an open letter to the Egyptian protesters today entitled "The
Egyptian People Have Changed the World -- It's Their Turn to Lead":
You have changed the world.
***
Remember,
the United States was not talking about democracy in Egypt, not
advocating it, not saying a transition is necessary and urgent, UNTIL
you risked your security, safety and lives for the sake of democracy.
You changed the conversation, and the conversation would be the same as
it has been for decades if you hadn't done what you did. Your
generational peers are now watching what you are doing in countries
across the Arab world, and beyond. This is the moment for you and for
us.
***
You
represent a new generation, a new leadership, and a new hope for the
possibility of real democracy. Keep leading. My government, which still
calls itself the beacon of freedom, has sacrificed democracy in your
region of the world (and many other places) for American "interests." And
our foreign policy around the globe has put our interests before our
principles. But they are not really the interests of the American
people, but of oil companies, big banks and corporations, and rich and
powerful people. Their interest in stability is very different from ours in democracy. So
don't be fooled, don't listen to the so-called "wise" voices that have
been part of the old reality and want to now thank you for your
service to democracy, but are offering to take it from here.
Don't
let them. Keep demanding democracy -- real democracy. Because, for the
rest of us, democracy is the best defense of our "interests," and the
best path to genuine "stability." And, for our part, we will do our
best to stand with you. That will likely take sacrifice from all of us,
because real change always does.
The Founding Fathers would be proud of the Egyptian people, just as they supported the French revolution. They would be disgusted at the spineless sheep that the American people have become.
Note:
I love America and have lived here all my life. I criticize my country
because I want to save her from the self-destructive, anti-American
path that Bush and Obama have put us on. Just as the Egyptian people
felt a need to speak out, so do I.
"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism."
-Thomas Jefferson
"Patriotism
means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the
president or any other public official save exactly to the degree in
which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him
insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to
oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he
fails in his duty to stand by the country."
– Teddy Roosevelt
"To
announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we
are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only
unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American
public."
– Teddy Roosevelt
"This
country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it.
Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can
exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their
revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it."
- Abraham Lincoln, First Inaugural
"These
economic royalists complain that we seek to overthrow the
institutions of America. What they really complain of is that we seek
to take away their power. Our allegiance to American institutions
requires the overthrow of this kind of power. In vain they seek to hide
behind the flag and the Constitution. In their blindness they forget
what the flag and the Constitution stand for."
- Franklin Roosevelt
"Those who give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Ben Franklin
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I'm dying here!!!! You are sooooo fucking back!!!
I know I promised to dial things back Mr. Beale... but these guys need some serious reality therapy or their families will suffer their assholiness forever.
How do you explain the high correlation between degree of islamisation of a given country and wretched backwardness ? Most of these places are monstrous disasters. There is a gorgeous correlation that gets even better when you compensate for extraction industry income that currently lift a few of them halfway out of the mud.
WTF, let's see, a PRESIDENT for 30 yrs with 40-70 BILLION dollars of wealth! Is it at all possible this also meant the tip of the iceberg? With that kind of stolen capital (TRILLIONS HERE IN THE CHRISTIAN U.S.A.) don't you think most of the treasury went to his family and friends? It must be lonely being so isolated living in a vacuum.
Congo is >85pc christian. Please explain.
Thank you for saying that.
I don't recall saying there is just one factor determining the relative shittiness of particular countries, do you?
I am with you insomuch as a country being majoritarily Christian is not sufficient to make it a pluralistic thriving representative republic respectful of individual freedoms and property rights.
If you play with my above sentence a bit though, you will understand that I do say that a country being majoritarily islamic is a very very good predictor of its backwardness, intolerance, barbarian savagery, and oh, poverty level.
Again, this whole discussion goes back to what the Founders considered to be a requirement for a people to do well in a context of limited government. The egyptian people are not such a people, so the folks getting all weepy about their self liberation are in for a disappointment in the short run. It would take generations to get there, witness Turkey, and can still tank entirely, witness Turkey, when the general population is infected with the tyrannical rule bound sect called Islam.
I said something like that? You are with yourself.
Where do Congolese fail? How long will it take them to manage to get it right, considering they already have Christianity right,and therefore are in advance on Egyptians?
Well, let's answer your question with a question then. How come it took Europe well over a millenia under christendom to get to the enlightenment and what slowly followed? Several european countries remained dictatorships into the 70's including the cradle of democracy itself, Greece.
You brought up Congo being 85% Christian, and yet at the same time (left unstated but everybody knows this) very seriously effed up. Christianity isn't a sufficient condition, and you bring an example of this.
Now, show me a counterexample where a majoritarily Islamic country is free, pluralistic, prosperous, thriving, a representative republic, and so on.
What's the matter with Congo is just not an area of expertise of mine, so I'll let continue that discussion amongst yourself.
That is framing. Few countries in the world pass the test.
First point, by construction, republics are always representative. Representative republic is therefore redundancy.
Pluralistic: pluralistic as the US?
Free: very vague notion in the current state of the world. It is more about being comfortable with the state of society you live in. Not about freedom by such.
Prosperous, thriving: I take them to mean the same.
Since so few countries in the world can claim all the labels at once, it follows:
pluralistic: quite a lot of muslim countries are pluralistic in the way the US is. Muslim countries in many occurrences have been less efficient at eliminating non abrahamic beliefs from their soil than the US. The question should be more, what muslim countries are not pluralistic in the way the US is? At this point, not that much.
free: a number of muslim countries show populations rather comfortable with the way their society is. Before the events, probably all could be elected for 'freedom' After the events, they will be elected once again.
Republics: not many. The lacking department.
Thriving: a number of ME countries are thriving.
Finding a muslim country holding for all the label at once is impossible. Very few countries in the world hold for them though.
Once brought down to a more representative scale, that is not utopic views, well, a number of muslim countries qualified for each label or a combination of labels.
"Free: very vague notion in the current state of the world. It is more about being comfortable with the state of society you live in. Not about freedom by such."
==> Relativism much?
"pluralistic: quite a lot of muslim countries are pluralistic in the way the US is. Muslim countries in many occurrences have been less efficient at eliminating non abrahamic beliefs from their soil than the US. The question should be more, what muslim countries are not pluralistic in the way the US is? At this point, not that much."
==> Answer, all of them. We do not treat anyone here as being a lesser sort of citizen because of race, national origin, sex(and for the most part sexual orientation), religion, and the rest. In all of the arab countries such discrimination against minorities is systematic, derived from...Islam. Dammit that effing Islam! Drat!
"free: a number of muslim countries show populations rather comfortable with the way their society is. Before the events, probably all could be elected for 'freedom' After the events, they will be elected once again."
==> Relativism.
Thriving: a number of ME countries are thriving.
==> Indeed, and that "number" is ONE. Israel. Any others that are doing well are doing well as an epiphenomenon of raw material extraction industries that are entirely exogenous to the arab civilisations, or trading center activities that came to exist on the back of that, like, oh, Dubai. Let me know when Dubai starts thriving thanks to its home grown technology or manufacturing or cultural production.
"Finding a muslim country holding for all the label at once is impossible. Very few countries in the world hold for them though."
===> Yup. They really should strive to be more like the United States, despite all of its faults. Faults we can talk about openly here because we are free to do so.
"Once brought down to a more representative scale, that is not utopic views, well, a number of muslim countries qualified for each label or a combination of labels."
===> And all of them qualify for the labels "shitty"
Success requires a combination of things happening, but you only need Islam to be a failure.
Ah... now we have something we can agree on. Religion sucks.
But did you also know that during the Dark ages Islam is what brought us out of the darkness.
Ever hear of Algebra? Without Islam we would probably have never had a Rennaisence.
And the sorry state of many 'Islamic' nations is often due to the selfish actions of the West.
Google 'Egypt' and 'revolution' and 'autocrat' wll ya?
Now kindly shut the fuck up.
Perfect answer cat.
See my response, Bringin It. For now your buddy the cat is mainly just Takin It, though I do enjoy his energetic bluster.
Uh, no. The history of the concept of zero goes back to India, and Islamic invaders and traders discovered it there. Neither can algebra be ascribed to the arabs, though the word can be. We CAN thank a fraction of the islamic war lords for having not murdered the scholars they found in place. They insisted on having existing greek and latin texts translated into arabic, and via this route a lot of documents were preserved that otherwise would not have made it to us. That is a good thing. But translating something is not the same thing as synthesizing it to begin with. As to the state of Islam infected countries, they have been awful for over a millenium. Their victimhood is mostly self imposed. Islam is a very effective civilisation retardant.
The Mayans/Aztecs had the concept of zero FIRST.
Much of the old greek texts and manuscripts were saved and expanded upon while the silly catholics were busy burning them and making possession of them punishable by death.
Check out their accomplishments TBT. Or are you afraid?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_scientists_and_scholars
Hey TBT... ever hear about the Spanish Inquistion?
Ever hear about what started the crusades?
Ever hear what happened to early scientists like Gallileo?
You should really get busy attacking Christians too or people will think you are just another intolerant racist biggot.
Unless that's what you are trying to be.
'Hey TBT... ever hear about the Spanish Inquistion?'
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'...racist bigot.'
hahahahahahahahahahahaahahhaaha
the crying of a little zerohead who got crushed in an argument....
fucking little tooshy. little rich kid using dads computer cash to talk shit.
BigDuke6 this TBT or not TBT, Assume attack formation!
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I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN. Also, the spanish inquisition was A BAD THING, IMHO.
Over a period of something like 400 years, the spanish inquisition tortured to death around 35,000-40,000 people. Divide 40,000 by 400 years for starters(and 100 per year is still too many, even in a time when criminals were put to death routinely and in similar ways, at a much higher rate than the inquisition did them), then recall that this all ended hundreds of years ago. The whole thing was well documented, even better documented than the nazi atrocities where they didn't bother with taking confessions, but on a much smaller scale over a lot longer stretch of time, at such a low rate it was noise level compared to the ambient level of violent death by war, murder or punishment for crimes. But do continue to cry and moan over that one long burn, low grade insanity from the dark past in the context of the spaniards long bloody efforts to...expel muslims from their country. Yeah, that whiny crap in OBL's speeches about retaking Andalusia, dates back to then. The other thing that happened in 1492 is that the muslims were finally expelled from Spain.
Absolutely - we are the same on this vital issue that many people just seem to be sleepwalking into. Its not going to be pretty when the reckoning comes.
i'll look out for you buddy, cheers
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You have no idea who our and I mean ZH's OUR cat is!
BTW, you need not search far to find arguments by islamic scholars stating that the theory of relativity is there in the sacred texts, as are the notions of quantum mechanics. See, they tie themselves into such knots trying to explain how Islam is the perfect, final, immutable word of Allah, and therefore contains everything infidels may have invented, like oh..calculus, physics, chemistry, biology...stuff like that. The stories of how Islamic scholars invented the zero and algebra and made the renaissance possible are a little like other attempts we've seen to build a glorious history from scratch for various stone age peoples who developed very serious inferiority complexes in the face of the fucking juggernaut of western culture and the british culutral and legal inheritance particularly. They spin this stuff to grade school students for multi-culti kumbayah purposes, neglecting to tell the truth about what Islam fundamentally prescribes for every human on the planet: submission to a crushing regimin of impoverishing self destructive rules.
WTF? Jesus was directly quoted??? You sure about that? They must have archived it on 8 Track so they could write it a few hundred years later.
You know how you whisper something to a kindergardener and go around the room (whispering it the next kid, etc.) and the words come at the end completely different...just sayin'.
Um, the point is what the believers believe, OK?
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Islam is an arabic word which means submission.
Egyptians are in their great majority islamic.
Also, around 90% of the girls born there undergo Female Genital Mutilation, according to serious sources on the matter.
Good lord, dude, Google is your friend. You don't have to trust my sources.
The submission part is derived from the bible genius. You have no sources. What happened when Moses found the dudes and dudettes worshipping the golden calf in the desert?
That's right. Massive slap-down for not submitting.
You need to return to bogus-religious-propaganda school and come up with a new act.
Islam means to obey, to surrender, or peaceful submission to God. Good try though.
All three Judiac religions require Obeying. Because they are all derived from the same source.
You are making a false comparison.
Fine - you don't like submission to God. Take it up with your rabbi or priest/parson.
Jesus makes very clear what you have to do to be saved, and it ain't much at all. You have to accept him as your savior, and buy the story that he died for your sins on the cross and was resurrected. The rest of your good behavior is supposed to flow from your tortured conscience, instructed by the rest of what Jesus stated. Simple stuff like the golden rule and so on.
Islam on the other hand is a totalitarian nightmare of endless and impossible rules, from birth to death, which famously does have some ridiculous direct paths to paradise that are not available in Christianity or Judaism. Offering one's daughter up for pedophilia is such a sacrifice. How about that one?!! Muhammed approved and participated right there in the Islamic sacred texts famously marrying a six year old girl and doing her when she turned nine. He is The Model that Muslim males are meant to strive to become in every way possible, or so the imams argue, based on the sacred texts. On top of that there is of course the very well known method of getting 72 virgins through self-explodiation intended to kill any kind of infidels, in the path of jihad.
They're called the 3 Abrahamic religions for a reason TBT.
And the 72 virgins thing again? Now you're going to hear about Old testament slaughter, or make someone dig up all the crazy things about goyem in the Talmud or pedophile priests. Does that accomplish anything?
I'm not making apologies for the Old Testament here. My comment regards Christians(of which I am not one), for whom those stories are indeed true and holy and so on, but are superceded by the new covenant. If you want to try to throw jews in with arab islamotard praactices, good luck backing that up. Israel is a multi-cultural pluralistic society where many religions coexist exactly like the lib bumper sticker calls for. They don't have a 72 virgins clause. They are under attack by gigantic countries full of people who do have such a clause, and take it seriously. Judaism has seriously mellowed over the millenia, Christianity represented an additional mellowing on top of that.
Islam is something cobbled together by one psychopath on top of pre-existing middle eastern religious stories, including biblical ones, then bastardized in ever more crazy ways according to its Prophet's needs of the moment, just the way modern charismatic sect leaders do things. Here is something those tend to come up with: "God wants me do your underage daughters." "God says it is cool to murder wealthy productive infidels and take their stuff." The nice things Islam contains in regard to judaism and jews, or christians, turns sour along the way, ending up with the holy war, kill-them-all, megalomaniac intolerant stuff they spew matter-of-factly in mosques worldwide. The latter stuff in Islam, the batshit insane stuff, supercedes the nice stuff. Contrast with Christianity. Discuss amongst yourselves. Develop a preference between the various systems.
There is nothing in the New Testament that hints at superceding the law as it is prescribed in the Old Testament.
In the fourth century, Christians had to compromize their beliefs to increase their conversion rate.
This reads more like bypassing the very fact that Judaism and Christianity encourages plunderings of non Judaic/Christian believers. But historically, the plundered, the socalled Pagans, might be described as poor unproductive infidels (even if untrue) so it makes it all a different story...
The contrast is quick to make. The US citizens introduce their society as pluralistic while most of the population is Christian. It did not start this way. So where are the other religions?
"There is nothing in the New Testament that hints at superceding the law as it is prescribed in the Old Testament."
==> Go tell that to Christians if you like. This is about them and what they do with their scripture.
"The contrast is quick to make. The US citizens introduce their society as pluralistic while most of the population is Christian. It did not start this way."
==> Um, it absolutely did start this way.
"So where are the other religions?"
===> Every effing religion on the planet is represented here. Do you even live in the U.S.?
"Christianity encourages plunderings of non Judaic/Christian believers."
Jesus or his disciples (as captured in the Bible) said this? What's that I hear there.... crickets?
Shut up crickets I can't hear AnAnonymous's response.
The American way is the separation of religion from the law. Islamic states do not do it this way.
Now, it may be called, loosely a "democracy", because afterall "democracy" is nothing but mob rule.
And it is said that the majority within of one of these countries think it's perfectly fine to cut female genitalia off or have the "law" impose special taxes on those of a different religion than the majority religion or find not guilty men who mutilate their own daughters for the crime of not fighting off a rapist forcefully enough...but it's certainly not the "democracy" I understand.
But then there's a lot I don't understand...our National Intelligence chief (Clapper) thinks the Muslim Brotherhood is secular...so what the hell...LOL.
Spot on V-dude.
Moses is a Jewish story, set thousands of years before Christ. The Founders, and especially those they represented, were in their great majority, various types of Christians.
You may reconsider that opinion on the Founders . They were foremost freemason and deists and as such worshipped a God they call the Master Architect of the Universe . And this is not necessarily the same God as the one from the Torah or the Gospels . Freemason symbols are even found on US paper money
I'm willing to acknowledge that to a fractional degree, as regards a handful of the thinkers, but the great great majority of the people they represented...in the representative republic they created, were Christians of various flavors, as were most of their representatives and leaders. Sorry.
Dude - you are making a generalized critique of Islam, based on it's requirement to follow religious rules.
I'm telling you that Islam acknowledges it';s roots in Judism (and Christianity).
I'm illustrating via the story of the Golden Calf worshipping and the God's response that Judism also requires the adherence to rules and describes serious consequences aka - the wrath of God - for not following them.
You are making a false argument based on bogus, biased assumptions.
The you go all non-sequitur - Yes Moses is a Jewish story, set thousands of years before Christ.
Do you have a point?
This may help you.
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n1. a statement having little or no relevance to what preceded it 2. (Philosophy / Logic) Logic a conclusion that does not follow from the premises Abbreviation non seq
[Latin, literally: it does not follow]
Yeah Islam includes a mash up of pre-existing religious stories from the Bible. I think most people who have looked into that know this. "Allah" does happen to be a reference to just ONE of the pre-existing deities and spirits known to arabs of the time, but with Muhammed that name gets reused to describe the One True God onto which he gloms a lot of the stories from the Bible. Nothing new you are informing us of here. What you don't seem to know is that the Jews of Muhammed's time and place didn't want to have anything to do with Muhammed's made up additional stuff, and Big Mo didn't like that. Not at all. Islam respects Jews and Christians(and only those) as being other "people of the book" but still reserves a seriously inferior status for them by law...and also rather inconveniently calls for their violent death over and over again.
As to the golden calf, well, judaism was more of a rule bound religion than christianity, by a long shot, but it isn't nearly as bad as Islam, which is truly nightmarish. The whole conversation here started with my point about what the Founders believed necessary for a system of limited government like they had created to work. The people had to have their own conscience based system of morality for such a system to work. Islamic peoples like the egyptians depend on overt, heavy, explicit, brutal enforcement of Islam's tyrannical totalitarian rules, not a well developed and widespread, yet simple, moral conscience among the people.
Islamic peoples like the egyptians depend on overt, heavy, explicit, brutal enforcement of Islam's tyrannical totalitarian rules, not a well developed and widespread, yet simple, moral conscience among the people.
So they have no moral conscience? Are you serious? Because of Islam they are raised to have no inner voice, nothing that tells them right from wrong, no human instinct. Is that your case? Because I do not believe in any way that human nature on an individual level is vile and violent. I don't believe we need religion (I was not raised with any) to know right from wrong. You are basically saying that 1.5 billion people would be thugs with no conscience without religion to control them. Well it may be the opiate of the masses, TBT, but it is not the opiate of the individual. Human beings are not, without laws, savages, are they? Am I way off base here? How can you possibly believe such things???
Because I do not believe in any way that human nature on an individual level is vile and violent.
Rousseau much? Mmmkay, let us know if you ever get over that.
TBT,
When I was growing up (and I did have a serious education on American History, including 'Whiskey Rebellion' here in MA with the economic vs. revenuerrz conflict.) I had heard the Benjamin Franklin comment "A Republic, madame, it will be up to us whether we can keep it." Then the term 'American Experiment.' But life was good, and I knew science a bit, and I didn't quite understand 'experiment.'
Learning faster than I'd like to, today. Esp. about the fragility of the current condition (not yet tested is the resilience of same; this is a field function vs. a unitary value across the continental US).
Proud in that? Gotta' figure out what 'proud' means to the homicical self-bomber means.
But I made a comment last weekend that I didn't see any 'democratic' result in the outcome of the Mubaric government being snuffed. Got junked, which is OK since the cwm that did that had no comment. gnat
So, tonight, with a military seizure of the gov't of Egypt, I'm wondering again: "Where is the democracy?" and wondering again "When you get your democracy, how long until you fall into similar, but not same, despotisim?'
Inquiring minds wish to know.
Notice how the U.S. military intervention drums have disappeared from the cloud.
Don't waste a good crisis, baby!
- Ned
And one of the first official duties of Herr Field Marshall is to visit the US and go shopping for the latest greatest military machinery.
So Mubarak is supposedly worth 70 billion. I guess much of the US greater Egyptian food for oil..., mean foodstamp program for Egypt ended up in Mubarak's personal accounts somehow.
Mubarak stole from the US government, plain and simple.
That's why he's gone. The money the country received was supposed to buy US made weapons.
I guess some contracts didn't materialize. The US in good old fashion of freedom building around the world, tried tested and true since at least 1913 has simply implemented the next new military shopper for the region.
This is BULLISH!!!
He did steal from the US. The more sad part is that he probably remained in power because he could expose the US for what it truly was.......worth about $1 billion a year.
Hey Johnny, do some homework. He stole from everyone that did business in the country--to the tune of 50%. And do you honestly think "The more sad part is that he probably remained in power because he could expose the US for what it truly was.......worth about $1 billion a year" is relevant at all? I mean seriously, elaborate.
i liked your comment until the end, when i thought you were going to say 'This is BULLSHIT!'
i did.
Lets face it troops... its either another field marshal who becomes president or the islamic brotherhood.
This is the way the CIA will see it and use up the last of that jap gold to fuck it up again.
If thats bullish then i'm off to the farm, cos its bullshit.
COI - i'm all in long gold, silver and oil.
Ironic that you've missed the parallels, given the namesake of the author of this article, and his occupation prior to assuming the presidency.
Well, at least he's stopped calling for Americans to take to the streets.
Since he's neither prepared to lead nor follow (because it might interfere with this blogging) all the better.